Topic: P3R Crank - Updating the 120r (Read 13675 times)

Unbalanced · « **on:** August 05, 2017, 05:51:10 PM »

Noticed some piston slap in Michelle's motor so decided to freshen up that 120r.

Dave at P3R built a crank for me, Carrillo rods, balanced 60%. Really a work of art. Dave has been GREAT to deal with, made it easy.

Mr. Sachs is going through the heads to freshen them up and doing some more of his magic. Frank at Dragos hook me up with some of his custom blower pistons. He then cut the S&S unfinished cylinders to spec for the pistons.

Cases are out for Timken
S&S Blue Plate and Pump
S&S Premium Lifters
Smtih Brother pushrods
S&S 640 Cams
Roller Rockers
Considering Baker Street Door
Drago's 2-1 exhaust (Original pipe)
obviously new bearings etc.
Going to try the SE Clutch 3 spring that we had and see how it holds up.

Now for some of that engine porn.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #1 on:** August 05, 2017, 05:51:41 PM »

Unbalanced · « **Reply #2 on:** August 05, 2017, 05:52:04 PM »

Unbalanced · « **Reply #3 on:** August 05, 2017, 05:53:06 PM »

Tensioner after 22k - being replaced glad we looked. lifters and cams showed virtually no wear

Unbalanced · « **Reply #4 on:** August 05, 2017, 05:55:04 PM »

Unbalanced · « **Reply #5 on:** August 05, 2017, 05:56:09 PM »

Unbalanced · « **Reply #6 on:** August 05, 2017, 05:56:48 PM »

Unbalanced · « **Reply #7 on:** August 05, 2017, 05:59:20 PM »

S&S Blue Pump and Plate

BostonboyDH · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2017, 06:50:58 PM »

That P3R crank looks like a sculpted work of art!!!

FlaHeatWave · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2017, 06:57:11 PM »

Sweet!!

Looks like the Florida HBRR is going to have ANOTHER FASTER BIKE

Unbalanced · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2017, 07:01:44 PM »

Quote from: FlaHeatWave on August 05, 2017, 06:57:11 PM

Sweet!!

Looks like the Florida HBRR is going to have ANOTHER FASTER BIKE

Just refreshing it, and trying to do what we can for longevity and quiet too end.

HD Street Performance · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2017, 08:52:29 PM »

Sounds and looks like a winner for sure.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2017, 09:10:32 PM »

Thanks Don, fingers are crossed.

KGB · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2017, 09:44:51 PM »

The Carrillo rods are a work of art and imo the strongest to can get, I used them in a 1979 Honda CBX when I did the motor

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CHH_Badkarma · « **Reply #14 on:** August 06, 2017, 12:22:44 AM »

Those pictures literally made my mouth water

jpb · « **Reply #15 on:** August 06, 2017, 12:48:47 AM »

Quote from: CHH_Badkarma on August 06, 2017, 12:22:44 AM

Those pictures literally made my mouth water

More like drooling for me. Beautiful Harry. Keep the info coming.

Ridgerunr · « **Reply #16 on:** August 06, 2017, 04:15:25 PM »

All the right stuff going in this motor. Sachs too, going to be a BMF.

Yellow09SERG · « **Reply #17 on:** August 06, 2017, 06:01:40 PM »

Boy that looks nice Harry. Should be a really durable motor. Only question I have is what is the plan when Momma runs off from you?

Keeps us updated

Unbalanced · « **Reply #18 on:** August 06, 2017, 07:12:41 PM »

Quote from: Yellow09SERG on August 06, 2017, 06:01:40 PM

Boy that looks nice Harry. Should be a really durable motor. Only question I have is what is the plan when Momma runs off from you?

Keeps us updated

Hope not to have to cross that bridge, although if she does she needs to get better with directions.

Excited though as we get her cases back this week.

- teaser - My stuff should be back from cryogenics this week also, but that's another thread.

Twolanerider · « **Reply #19 on:** August 06, 2017, 07:52:02 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on August 06, 2017, 07:12:41 PM

Excited though as we get her cases back this week.

Sometimes..... when you come in to the middle of a thread things could have so many meanings

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longlast · « **Reply #20 on:** August 06, 2017, 07:57:34 PM »

That's going to be nice

You do realise that you're going to have to change your username to just " balanced"

Yellow09SERG · « **Reply #21 on:** August 06, 2017, 08:49:47 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on August 06, 2017, 07:12:41 PM

Hope not to have to cross that bridge, although if she does she needs to get better with directions.

Excited though as we get her cases back this week.

- teaser - My stuff should be back from cryogenics this week also, but that's another thread.

It does sound as though the Faster Chapter may be a little quicker.

Harry what kind of lead time was there on the crank?

Unbalanced · « **Reply #22 on:** August 06, 2017, 09:07:43 PM »

Quote from: Twolanerider on August 06, 2017, 07:52:02 PM

Sometimes..... when you come in to the middle of a thread things could have so many meanings .

Don,

True on the multiple meanings in this case though Wifey was tired of the top end noise, it was bugging her. Front cylinder was passing some oil and there was a lot of piston slap. Started from there and snowballed.

Original SE Crank was just under .003 nothing wrong (probably sell it).

After the snowball effect took hold it was decided to put a timken in the SE cases.

Just seemed to be just one more thing each time till it was a whole motor rebuild.

Now your caught up in the middle

Unbalanced · « **Reply #23 on:** August 06, 2017, 09:16:43 PM »

Quote from: longlast on August 06, 2017, 07:57:34 PM

That's going to be nice

You do realise that you're going to have to change your username to just " balanced"

Good point. Although since it's hers and not mine she can be the balanced part.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2017, 09:20:05 PM »

Quote from: Yellow09SERG on August 06, 2017, 08:49:47 PM

It does sound as though the Faster Chapter may be a little quicker.

Harry what kind of lead time was there on the crank?

2-3 weeks. - each crank is custom made to order. Just call Dave tell him what your doing or want to do and he does the rest.

Twolanerider · « **Reply #25 on:** August 06, 2017, 10:33:48 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on August 06, 2017, 09:07:43 PM

Don,

True on the multiple meanings in this case though Wifey was tired of the top end noise, it was bugging her. Front cylinder was passing some oil and there was a lot of piston slap. Started from there and snowballed.

Original SE Crank was just under .003 nothing wrong (probably sell it).

After the snowball effect took hold it was decided to put a timken in the SE cases.

Just seemed to be just one more thing each time till it was a whole motor rebuild.

Now your caught up in the middle

That slippery slope is a wallet killer. "One more" thing can always seem like such a good idea.

Have fun with the project Harry. Spending the money anyway so might as well enjoy it. Will look forward to hearing how it finishes out.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #26 on:** August 07, 2017, 09:14:44 AM »

Next quest will be how well the 3 bolt SE Clutch holds up. Found some heat in the clutch pack, not bad but something to watch.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #27 on:** August 07, 2017, 06:16:42 PM »

Timken

Unbalanced · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2017, 06:18:10 PM »

Pistons

Unbalanced · « **Reply #29 on:** August 07, 2017, 06:19:53 PM »

Piston

TN · « **Reply #30 on:** August 07, 2017, 08:53:28 PM »

Nice, will you do mine next?

TN

Unbalanced · « **Reply #31 on:** August 07, 2017, 09:33:38 PM »

Quote from: HD Street Performance on August 07, 2017, 08:49:18 PM

Harry
What is the groove under the pin for?

Ring support rail

Unbalanced · « **Reply #32 on:** August 07, 2017, 09:56:27 PM »

Quote from: TN on August 07, 2017, 08:53:28 PM

Nice, will you do mine next?

TN

TN,

It can be 3rd there is one more in between.

Just need you to dig up a BUNCH of those mason jars filled with money and send em down for parts etc.

TN · « **Reply #33 on:** August 08, 2017, 06:52:29 AM »

You know I been collecting parts for my upcoming build and I know what a slippery slope that can be. If you just let me go through yer junk parts bin I can prolly salvage enough to contribute to my project. And cash filled mason jars, really. There is only two things I store in a mason jar and cash ain't one of them.

Still some good looking parts

TN

Unbalanced · « **Reply #34 on:** August 11, 2017, 01:40:45 AM »

Some crank pictures prior to it being pressed together.

jpb · « **Reply #35 on:** August 11, 2017, 09:50:07 AM »

Twin cam Jewelry at its finest!!

prodrag1320 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 12, 2017, 08:34:59 AM »

their cranks are nice,but S&S would still be my choice.more than strong enough & tons cheaper

sadunbar · « **Reply #37 on:** August 12, 2017, 11:58:18 AM »

That is a thing of beauty!

Quote from: Unbalanced on August 11, 2017, 01:40:45 AM

Some crank pictures prior to it being pressed together.

HD Street Performance · « **Reply #38 on:** August 12, 2017, 03:03:56 PM »

Are those shafts new parts or re-manufactured, salvaged and machined, from the OEM flywheels?
The picture of the piston is a little hard to make out. It almost looks like there is a groove below the pin. I understand the support rail under ring #3 but not the other. That said maybe there is nothing there and it is just the photo.
Not a criticism at all I think you have a strong plan and good parts.
As far as the price of the crank, fair is all I can say. The rods are $600. Add that to an S&S crank or a reworked crank and see where you are at? That said neither hold a candle the the P3R, a limited production top quality piece.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #39 on:** August 12, 2017, 04:31:23 PM »

Quote from: HD Street Performance on August 12, 2017, 03:03:56 PM

Are those shafts new parts or re-manufactured, salvaged and machined, from the OEM flywheels?
The picture of the piston is a little hard to make out. It almost looks like there is a groove below the pin. I understand the support rail under ring #3 but not the other. That said maybe there is nothing there and it is just the photo.
Not a criticism at all I think you have a strong plan and good parts.
As far as the price of the crank, fair is all I can say. The rods are $600. Add that to an S&S crank or a reworked crank and see where you are at? That said neither hold a candle the the P3R, a limited production top quality piece.

Don it's a 100 manufactured by P3R less the rods. You can supply your own or use Ultima rods or go all the way with Carillo.

Another point to not overlook is it is completely rebuildable and handles gobs more power.

It's a taper not a ring groove

sadunbar · « **Reply #40 on:** August 12, 2017, 09:44:33 PM »

Quote from: HD Street Performance on August 07, 2017, 08:49:18 PM

Harry
What is the groove under the pin for?

It's not a groove, it's a radius. Same feature top and bottom...

OhioDave · « **Reply #41 on:** August 16, 2017, 08:59:08 PM »

Quote from: sadunbar on August 12, 2017, 11:58:18 AM

That is a thing of beauty!

Yellow09SERG · « **Reply #42 on:** August 16, 2017, 09:39:53 PM »

I have had to wipe drool off my keyboard twice now... Thanks Harry

Unbalanced · « **Reply #43 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:25:40 PM »

S&S Gear Drive oil Pump

Unbalanced · « **Reply #44 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:26:09 PM »

S&S Gear Drive Oil Pump / Plate - outter cover removed

FWIW that cover is a SUPER Beotch to remove.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #45 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:26:59 PM »

outter cover - has slits on both sides to all you to pry it apart

Unbalanced · « **Reply #46 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:28:15 PM »

Timing marks on the gears for line up.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #47 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:29:18 PM »

Timing marked for each gear

Unbalanced · « **Reply #48 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:30:24 PM »

spring with check ball behind it

Unbalanced · « **Reply #49 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:31:29 PM »

gear behind the bolt. also had a snap ring.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #50 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:32:10 PM »

Reed Valve

Unbalanced · « **Reply #51 on:** August 16, 2017, 10:32:54 PM »

Seal which was not seated upon inspection on the reed valve.

jpb · « **Reply #52 on:** August 17, 2017, 09:29:01 AM »

Hi Harry,

You are not going back in with this S&S proprietary pump/camplate setup? Right?

You are disposing of all this and using the S&S blue cam plate and three stage pump? Right?

Thanks for the great photo shots.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #53 on:** August 17, 2017, 10:53:19 AM »

For the moment I am going back to it the gear drive system. One motor Wifeys will have bluepump and plate and mine will have gear drive. If I have issues again I will change it. Too short on time to dink with the conversion

jpb · « **Reply #54 on:** August 17, 2017, 12:10:04 PM »

Cool, talk to Jim at MF about the reed valve thingy before sticking that back in.

jpb · « **Reply #55 on:** August 17, 2017, 12:13:40 PM »

I don't have a good understanding of how this reed valve works and I am most likely wrong but does it somehow control cam chest and crankcase pressure??

Maybe that seal blew out? Maybe it needs some sort of retaining ring?

Unbalanced · « **Reply #56 on:** August 17, 2017, 07:23:33 PM »

The reed valve is designed to eliminate oil carry over. The seal blowing out I believe is from rings allowing pressure by them adding to crank case pressure. Going add venting and see what happens in round 3

Unbalanced · « **Reply #57 on:** August 17, 2017, 08:28:06 PM »

Cases are back,

Oil pump, cams, new tensioners installed and ready to go.

Timken is in and oilers reinstalled.

Cases go together tomorow and the mockup starts. Had to wait on a 12 dollar washer for the center screw of the cases.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #58 on:** August 17, 2017, 08:31:17 PM »

Found pitting on the exhaust valves for the S&S heads

. Intakes were fine. Expensive exhaust valves for the S&S Motor. John said 60 bucks a piece cause their made from Inconel

The 120r heads were fine.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #59 on:** August 17, 2017, 10:47:38 PM »

2nd P3R Crank being cut

Unbalanced · « **Reply #60 on:** August 17, 2017, 10:48:01 PM »

Splines being checked

Unbalanced · « **Reply #61 on:** August 17, 2017, 10:51:55 PM »

Finished Product Carillo Rods

Heat Treated and Cryo'd

Pistons and juggs to arrive tomorrow for this crank.

Christmas in August

jpb · « **Reply #62 on:** August 18, 2017, 06:36:31 AM »

Ho Ho Ho

Man that's nice. Makes me want to drive to Daytona just so I could touch it. Lol

Unbalanced · « **Reply #63 on:** August 19, 2017, 06:40:44 PM »

Checking piston to piston and piston to sleeve.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #64 on:** August 19, 2017, 06:41:55 PM »

Checking valve to piston

Unbalanced · « **Reply #65 on:** August 19, 2017, 08:44:57 PM »

..camplate is in ready for shimming and oil pump alignment.

Squirters were close

Stocks wouldn't have worked.

Timken installed

Unbalanced · « **Reply #66 on:** August 19, 2017, 08:47:43 PM »

Heads ready for final cut and assembly

longlast · « **Reply #67 on:** August 19, 2017, 09:05:03 PM »

That's looking a thing of beauty mate

You got to do a video of it fired up.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #68 on:** August 19, 2017, 10:21:48 PM »

Thanks Longlast, it is coming together nicely

TN · « **Reply #69 on:** August 19, 2017, 10:37:47 PM »

Looking good Harry

this is the most technical thread I've seen here in awhile.

Think she'll hit a lick?

TN

Unbalanced · « **Reply #70 on:** August 19, 2017, 10:48:23 PM »

Thanks Phil, Really not chasing numbers on this one. The goal is longevity, reliability and quiet top end. I would think it will deliver decent numbers as well

. We'll know in the not to distant future.

sadunbar · « **Reply #71 on:** August 20, 2017, 07:28:16 AM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on August 19, 2017, 08:47:43 PM

Heads ready for final cut and assembly

What valve springs? Open/closed pressures?

jpb · « **Reply #72 on:** August 20, 2017, 08:56:25 AM »

Super nice Harry.

BostonboyDH · « **Reply #73 on:** August 20, 2017, 11:42:50 AM »

Harry, you gotta stop posting this chit man, you got me desperately fighting the urge to tear apart my 600 mile S&S top end up 107 build

Unbalanced · « **Reply #74 on:** August 20, 2017, 01:57:36 PM »

Quote from: sadunbar on August 20, 2017, 07:28:16 AM

What valve springs? Open/closed pressures?

Conical Springs. Haven't gotten the final numbers yet for pressures.

sadunbar · « **Reply #75 on:** August 20, 2017, 08:51:00 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on August 20, 2017, 01:57:36 PM

Conical Springs. Haven't gotten the final numbers yet for pressures.

You probably know Conical springs vary the distance between each coil from bottom to top, so coil bind potential must be checked at the top coils of the spring.

And the advantage of conical springs over double or triple wound springs or beehive springs is the natural frequency wave generated by the conical spring. Because each coil has it's own frequency, the natural wave is dampened. Then by varying the spacing between the coils, the natural wave is further dampened. Increased longevity and increased performance is the result. The technology of the conical spring is old - we first tried them back in the 1970's (in high performance V-8 motors). The R&D folks we worked with at Cam Dynamic's knew that a pure conical, spring was beneficial, but the available materials and machining techniques could not produce the idea. The idea never got past the dyno. Today, high-quality spring wire and CNC coil winding machines make the conical spring possible. You're the first I know of in our little world here to install them in a set of MOCO heads. I'm curious as to how they will work out. I'll bet the top end noise is reduced - for one...

Unbalanced · « **Reply #76 on:** August 21, 2017, 05:37:32 PM »

Scott, I need to correct the post. The other motor build is getting conicals this one is getting AV&V inner/outer springs. The heads will be set to 165-168 and 420 on the nose. Should be fully assembled tomorrow for installation.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #77 on:** August 22, 2017, 05:31:29 PM »

Drago's blower pistons cut to a flat top with 3 mm rings

Port work - custom Ferrara valves that John had made

Unbalanced · « **Reply #78 on:** August 22, 2017, 05:33:54 PM »

Piston in ready for the head

With the spring change it allowed John to use the Viton seals

Unbalanced · « **Reply #79 on:** August 22, 2017, 05:35:59 PM »

Torquing down the heads using cosmetic gaskets.

Installing the rings on the rear piston

Unbalanced · « **Reply #80 on:** August 22, 2017, 05:37:59 PM »

The other port, gotta love those new base gaskets

Rear head going on

Unbalanced · « **Reply #81 on:** August 22, 2017, 05:42:07 PM »

Throttle body and bottom rocker boxes are on. Lifters are sitting in oil and have been soaking a couple of days. Just need to install the lifters, set the pushrods and finish installing the cradles and button her up and put the bullet back in the frame.

longlast · « **Reply #82 on:** August 22, 2017, 07:03:18 PM »

What would be the part number on those gaskets and who supply's them?
It's going to be a winter job for me mine are seeping between the pots. There not bad but there is seepage.

Your doing a top job,.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #83 on:** August 22, 2017, 08:12:03 PM »

Quote from: longlast on August 22, 2017, 07:03:18 PM

What would be the part number on those gaskets and who supply's them?
It's going to be a winter job for me mine are seeping between the pots. There not bad but there is seepage.

Your doing a top job,.

Thanks Longlast,

I can't share any details on the gaskets at this time. Hopefully soon.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #84 on:** August 24, 2017, 02:09:57 PM »

Setting the pushrods

Unbalanced · « **Reply #85 on:** August 24, 2017, 02:14:12 PM »

Pre- Lube on the pushrods, and valves

A little locktite

Unbalanced · « **Reply #86 on:** August 24, 2017, 03:20:26 PM »

Since there has been a bunch of requests on the gasket & color - here ya go !

Pushrods are set, tubes are on, cam cover is drying from the safety clean.

Motor turns over nicely - some finishing touches and back in the frame we go.

longlast · « **Reply #87 on:** August 24, 2017, 04:38:48 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on August 24, 2017, 03:20:26 PM

Since there has been a bunch of requests on the gasket & color - here ya go !

Pushrods are set, tubes are on, cam cover is drying from the safety clean.

Motor turns over nicely - some finishing touches and back in the frame we go.

Haha! That's good mate

I used the same thing (copper gasket sealer) on my little top end and cam job.
I didn't use the spray tho. I did it the old school way, apply a little sealer then do the finger dabbing technic to get the thin even layer of sealant on the gasket so it doesn't push a over load of sealer on the outer side and inner side when the two parts are put together.
Been using copper gasket sealer and copper grease for for a long time. Copper grease can also be used on gaskets have done that before.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #88 on:** August 26, 2017, 02:12:30 PM »

Motor is in - time to button it up.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #89 on:** August 26, 2017, 02:19:39 PM »

Ready to put the seal in.

longlast · « **Reply #90 on:** August 26, 2017, 03:56:45 PM »

Well done Unbalanced,

At the rate your going you'll be on the road within the week.

I'd love to be there on firing it up

Unbalanced · « **Reply #91 on:** August 26, 2017, 04:16:36 PM »

Hoping to fire it Monday afternoon and start the heat cycles

Unbalanced · « **Reply #92 on:** September 06, 2017, 04:56:08 PM »

Well the rebuild of her 120r is complete. Dyno is done, almost 300 miles of break in with heat cycles. No metal in the oil, and really smooth.

Special thanks to Mr. Sachs, Dave at P3r, and Frank Drago. Bike runs great, really quiet, and pulls hard.

4th gear dyno -

TN · « **Reply #93 on:** September 06, 2017, 05:19:53 PM »

Nice

May I request to go thru yer junk parts bin?

Lets Ride

TN

FlaHeatWave · « **Reply #94 on:** September 06, 2017, 05:41:49 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on September 06, 2017, 04:56:08 PM

Well the rebuild of her 120r is complete. Dyno is done, almost 300 miles of break in with heat cycles. No metal in the oil, and really smooth.

Special thanks to Mr. Sachs, Dave at P3r, and Frank Drago. Bike runs great, really quiet, and pulls hard.

4th gear dyno -

Good #s

Nice Curves

'Bet it's a Blast to Ride...

Is the P3R discernibly smoother than a S&S Crank??

Unbalanced · « **Reply #95 on:** September 06, 2017, 06:12:41 PM »

Ed I don't notice any discernible difference on the lower end of the rpm scale, but imo the more you spin it up the smoother it seems to me.

Yellow09SERG · « **Reply #96 on:** September 06, 2017, 09:43:53 PM »

Very nice Harry! That should be one heck of a nice ride and be just about as bulletproof as you could get

Unbalanced · « **Reply #97 on:** September 06, 2017, 10:11:20 PM »

Quote from: Yellow09SERG on September 06, 2017, 09:43:53 PM

Very nice Harry! That should be one heck of a nice ride and be just about as bulletproof as you could get

Dave thanks,

The bulletproof/reliability part was the first goal. Time will tell, but short of a stray mechanical failure I think we hit the nail on the head at least from a parts list. Now its time for her to put miles on it. Cranking 191 and 193.

Yellow09SERG · « **Reply #98 on:** September 06, 2017, 10:17:41 PM »

Love those numbers especially with where the ccp is at. The more I ride this thing of mine the more I like the no pms route. Maybe the weather gods will look out for you and she can get some miles on it soon

Unbalanced · « **Reply #99 on:** September 06, 2017, 10:34:08 PM »

Quote from: Yellow09SERG on September 06, 2017, 10:17:41 PM

Love those numbers especially with where the ccp is at. The more I ride this thing of mine the more I like the no pms route. Maybe the weather gods will look out for you and she can get some miles on it soon

The no pms route is the way to go! Hoping for good weather too.

J.D. · « **Reply #100 on:** September 07, 2017, 08:38:16 AM »

Incredible build, thank you for showing the details. I agree this should be very reliable.

Did you install the S&S inner primary race to protect the 5th gear shaft seal?

Unbalanced · « **Reply #101 on:** September 07, 2017, 10:20:48 AM »

Hi 2002FXDWG3,

I was not aware of a non slip race for the 6 speeds. I know many used them with the 5 speeds. If you have a part number for the new bikes could you share it. The other choice you have is if you have any concerns with the race slipping you can always use the baker bearing.

J.D. · « **Reply #102 on:** September 07, 2017, 10:33:11 AM »

My bad, brain fart. Haven't torn apart a 6-speed yet.

jpb · « **Reply #103 on:** September 07, 2017, 10:45:17 AM »

Great work, details and photos. Thanks for sharing Harry! Now you need to bring all those bad a$$ machines up north to my house to get out of the path of that storm headed your way! Be safe!

HD Street Performance · « **Reply #104 on:** September 07, 2017, 10:53:57 AM »

Nice job, good parts list and great result

Unbalanced · « **Reply #105 on:** September 07, 2017, 01:01:36 PM »

Thanks all !! Hoping to escape and go to Maggie Valley.

Rooster · « **Reply #106 on:** September 07, 2017, 01:07:13 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on September 07, 2017, 10:20:48 AM

Hi 2002FXDWG3,

I was not aware of a non slip race for the 6 speeds. I know many used them with the 5 speeds. If you have a part number for the new bikes could you share it. The other choice you have is if you have any concerns with the race slipping you can always use the baker bearing.

I have the Baker Primary bearing in mine and no issues. My race walked on my 07 in the early days. Also haven't heard of a non slip race either.

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #107 on:** September 07, 2017, 01:23:31 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on September 07, 2017, 10:20:48 AM

Hi 2002FXDWG3,

I was not aware of a non slip race for the 6 speeds. I know many used them with the 5 speeds. If you have a part number for the new bikes could you share it. The other choice you have is if you have any concerns with the race slipping you can always use the baker bearing.

S&S Cycle - 560-0241 - Improved Inner Primary Bearing Race

Brad

Unbalanced · « **Reply #108 on:** September 07, 2017, 01:27:49 PM »

Quote from: jpb on September 07, 2017, 10:45:17 AM

Great work, details and photos. Thanks for sharing Harry! Now you need to bring all those bad a$$ machines up north to my house to get out of the path of that storm headed your way! Be safe!

Come on down to the valley

Unbalanced · « **Reply #109 on:** September 07, 2017, 01:51:38 PM »

Thanks Brad wasn't aware of this. I strengthen or feel I did by using the. Baker street door on the other side.

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #110 on:** September 07, 2017, 04:59:45 PM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on September 07, 2017, 01:51:38 PM

Thanks Brad wasn't aware of this. I strengthen or feel I did by using the. Baker street door on the other side.

Yes I have thought about applying the Baker Street door. Transmission's I have not ventured into repairing/improving them.

Maybe a good winter project and more tools.

Brad

longlast · « **Reply #111 on:** September 11, 2017, 11:34:35 AM »

Unbalanced just saw your post,
Glad it worked out well and you had no hiccups, well done

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