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2018 or not
« on: May 29, 2018, 12:50:06 PM »

Would you all that have bought either a 2017 or 2018 buy one again.  I’m thinking of trading my 2015 RG CVO Ultra on a 2018 Anniversary Limited.  But with all these horror stories of sumping it has me thinking to just stick with my Stage 4 TC.  Thanx in advance. 
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2018, 01:46:28 PM »

Sorry I can't answer from the perspective of owning a 2017 or 2018 M8 bike but I did give lots of thought into into the idea of buying one myself.
I first looked at why get rid of the old bike and couldn't find a valid reason since it rode great and could do everything a new bike could do. I grew out of the stage of needing the newest flashiest thing on the road with all the electronic bells and whistles and looked at the economics of loosing money on trading in or selling the old bike and spending big bucks on the new one.
When I realized it would be tens of thousands of dollars to get what? I realized I would rather spend that money on family things and help my retirement portfolio, not give that money to a dealership and only thing to show for my effort would be another vehicle that is going to do nothing extra but depreciate.
My father taught me many decades ago not to buy any first year vehicle since it's bound to have bugs that need to get worked out and that has proven good over the years. It seems to me that H-D may need more than one year to work out the bugs in new bikes.
All that being said it has been said by many people in various threads on even other ownership type websites that the majority of posts are from people finding answers for problems they are having and they post frequently so it can inflate the appearance of problems when in fact they may be in the minority. Face it, most people don't post things like "rode my bike today and nothing bad happened!".
Good luck with your decision.
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2018, 02:04:28 PM »

My current bike has lost almost $20k in depreciation since when I bought it.  That is just crazy. I researched same bike I have and most are asking between 24k -30k depending on mileage.  Offered me $23,500 as is with Stage 4 ,12” bars, D&D 2-1 pipes.  I would be taking off my windshield,shocks and tour pack extender if I decide to do it. 
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2018, 02:43:03 PM »

My current bike has lost almost $20k in depreciation since when I bought it.  That is just crazy. I researched same bike I have and most are asking between 24k -30k depending on mileage.  Offered me $23,500 as is with Stage 4 ,12” bars, D&D 2-1 pipes.  I would be taking off my windshield,shocks and tour pack extender if I decide to do it.

Cough... I sold my 2015 FLTRUSE about 1.5 yrs ago to a private party for $29250. I bought a 2018 FLTRXS this last October and had them step it up to a 114" Stage III before delivery. I am happy with my decision.

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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2018, 03:05:33 PM »

2017 CVO Limited.  Yeah, best HD I have ever owned, by far.
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2018, 03:09:35 PM »

Would you all that have bought either a 2017 or 2018 buy one again.  I’m thinking of trading my 2015 RG CVO Ultra on a 2018 Anniversary Limited.  But with all these horror stories of sumping it has me thinking to just stick with my Stage 4 TC.  Thanx in advance.

I don't own a M8 equipped bike, but I'd like to comment anyway.  If your current bike is meeting your needs and is reliable (as much as possible considering the issues common to the TC), why take a chance on buying a major headache?  I would think the smart approach would be to wait and see if H-D actually comes up with a real fix for the sumping problem before pulling the trigger.  If that takes until the 2020 models (or later) come out, so be it.

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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2018, 03:21:39 PM »

But not all M8 are sumping.  Friend of mine has a M8 107 RG Ultra with 12,000 miles and no problems.  Seems like it’s just an isolated problem with some bikes.  Who knows.  We only here of the problem child’s on here.
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2018, 04:27:15 PM »

But not all M8 are sumping.  Friend of mine has a M8 107 RG Ultra with 12,000 miles and no problems.  Seems like it’s just an isolated problem with some bikes.  Who knows.  We only here of the problem child’s on here.

We've had reports from several people who have had multiple engine failures (new engines each time), and there have been plenty of reports elsewhere on not just Stage III or IV engines, but bone stock 107's as well.  Yes we hear more about the bad ones than the good ones, but by the same token we don't hear about all of the bad ones either.  Only a small percentage of Harley owners post information on this or other forums.  There is no way to look at a bike on the showroom floor and know if that one will or will not experience this problem.  So it appears to be a Vegas crap shoot.  If you feel lucky, go for it.  I'm just saying I wouldn't buy until I'm convinced they have actually fixed the cause of the problem.  Heatwave is convinced that they built a new engine for him using redesigned 2019 engine cases and that is the real fix.  If that turns out to be the case, then waiting for a 2019 would seem to be a good idea.

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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2018, 07:20:42 PM »

We've had reports from several people who have had multiple engine failures (new engines each time), and there have been plenty of reports elsewhere on not just Stage III or IV engines, but bone stock 107's as well.  Yes we hear more about the bad ones than the good ones, but by the same token we don't hear about all of the bad ones either.  Only a small percentage of Harley owners post information on this or other forums.  There is no way to look at a bike on the showroom floor and know if that one will or will not experience this problem.  So it appears to be a Vegas crap shoot.  If you feel lucky, go for it.  I'm just saying I wouldn't buy until I'm convinced they have actually fixed the cause of the problem.  Heatwave is convinced that they built a new engine for him using redesigned 2019 engine cases and that is the real fix.  If that turns out to be the case, then waiting for a 2019 would seem to be a good idea.

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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2018, 08:14:48 PM »

I was thinking the same thing when I grabbed my 2017 last year. I did a stage 3 and no sumping issues. So far really happy I made the change and like the M8 motor a lot.
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2018, 09:43:07 PM »

Would you all that have bought either a 2017 or 2018 buy one again.  I’m thinking of trading my 2015 RG CVO Ultra on a 2018 Anniversary Limited.  But with all these horror stories of sumping it has me thinking to just stick with my Stage 4 TC.  Thanx in advance.

I have a 2018 and would buy it again.  I've ridden over 4000 miles since purchasing in March and love it.  I moved from a 2012 Ultra Limited and the improvements are noticeable. I have more long trips planned and can't wait.

Good luck in your decision. 
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2018, 11:05:36 PM »

2018 fltrxse.  No problems so far.  Best bike I have owned.
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2018, 12:00:44 AM »

4500 miles and no regrets whatsoever. I like all of the Rushmore and M8 upgrades including the one handed operation of things like cruise and saddle bag lids. The recent suspension upgrades are a big plus. I'm a big fan of the single cam motor which I've left stock so far except for the Fullsac headpipe, 2" cores, TTS and Steve's canned map.
I don't think I would touch the stage anything from Harley but I'm sure I won't be able to leave the internals alone for the long run.
I owned a 2011 SESG with a 113 upgrade with over 46k on it and REALLY liked that bike but I like this one much better.......so far!
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2018, 09:43:34 AM »

Love my 2017 CVO Limited with Harley’s Stage II torque cam. Went from a 2014 CVO Limited to the 2017. Big improvement in low end torque as well as suspension.
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Re: 2018 or not
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2018, 11:31:57 AM »

Wait for the 2019 , just my 2cents ,two of my friends bought  2018 bikes one 107 and one 117 cvo.107 bike 1000 miles it blows oil and blue smoke from aircleaner when he starts the bike dealer dont no what to do and 117 bike engine lamp goes on from day 1 when he pick up his bike from dealer and code 001 shows up and the rev goes up to 1800 rpm dealer dont no what to do.


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