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[Indenial]

My friend just bought a 2016 Ultra with a 103 that is stock and 5000 miles.  Do these engines have the lifters go out at 20,000 miles like the 110's?  Thanks

[prodrag1320]

HD lifters suck.all big twin TC models should have lifters (& cam bearings) replaced

[grc]

My friend just bought a 2016 Ultra with a 103 that is stock and 5000 miles.  Do these engines have the lifters go out at 20,000 miles like the 110's?  Thanks

While the stock lifters from Harley are far from great, especially the "C" lifters in late model bikes, they aren't the only cause of the failures in the CVO110 engines.  In fact the main cause of the roller failures is more closely tied to the cam profile and valve/spring package IMHO.  Any needle bearing, such as those that support the rollers in the lifters, is subject to fail if you pound the crap out of it long enough.  And the 110's pound the crap out of them.  The valve train in the standard (non-CVO) engines is less likely to pound the rollers into oblivion, but that doesn't necessarily mean the lifters will never fail.  It is funny though that the same basic lifter is used in automotive applications and it's pretty rare in the auto applications to have major failures.  Most people never change lifters in a car or truck. 

Your friend shouldn't obsess over this.  If he starts having issues with things like abnormal leak-down and slow to pump up after starting, which was more common on the "C" lifters than the previous version, suggest he upgrade to something from S&S or many are now recommending the Johnson Hi-Lift (the folks who made the original lifters for the 1999 Twin Cam before Harley went with the Delphi lifters). 

JMHO - Jerry

[HD Street Performance]

Much less problems.  Not a statement about the lifters being great, they aren't
The stock cams on a 103 have much less intensity and the seat pressure is only about 130lb with 300 open. Valves weigh 35 less grams or so ea.  Springs and retainers are much less weight. If you hear noise there is lash. Lash is unseated rollers and that raises hell with any lifter.

[TorqueInc]

Ever see a stock hd lifter after the b,s that was not frosted......very few

Scrap bin item

[HD Street Performance]

Same I have seen but they are around longer than than the CVO lifters before a failure. Bad heat treat on the wheel

[MCE]

My friend just bought a 2016 Ultra with a 103 that is stock and 5000 miles.  Do these engines have the lifters go out at 20,000 miles like the 110's?  Thanks

At 20,000 miles, get them replaced with S&S or Johnson. Harley uses crappy components to save money,
(i.e: Increase profits so the fat-cats can get bigger bonuses). God knows, the price of the bikes are not getting
any cheaper)