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PAhunter

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Just cam's Zip 587 or 117? If you've done this once or twice over?
« on: July 21, 2018, 01:02:38 PM »
I looked into just replacing cams to Zipper 587's S&S lifters SE rods Zipper tensioner and Oil valve, License for PV and tune.. $1980 complete installed dyno'd .. My gut is messing w me to go w SE 117 Kit $2100 then pay for install .. the SE lifters bother me, and crank run-out bothers me.. I don't want to tear down enough to hear "your crank needs work" for the 117 kit. I had a Stage IV 117 2017 and that did not end well for me, so now I have a pretty much OEM 2015 twin cooled w V&H true duels w Rineharts… I possibly see myself on a 2020 M8. Should I consider aftermarket as well? If so which?
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Re: Just cam's Zip 587 or 117? If you've done this once or twice over?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2018, 10:29:08 AM »
Pull out what you don't need. Leave the oil pump and tensioners alone. Define what you want to accomplish and then you can likely just change cams, put a good performing pipe on it, and get it properly tuned with a flash tuner. In PA I suggest JDs for the tune, the build, and build advise, not the dealer. http://www.jdscycleworks.com/
If it were me I would not do a build at 117" without addressing the crank and that said I would just budget $1100 for an S&S crank, the insurance policy. The cost to rework a stock crank and balance with shipping is so close I would not bother.
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Re: Just cam's Zip 587 or 117? If you've done this once or twice over?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2018, 11:33:26 AM »
Thank you for that it's been a while since I have talked to Dave.. I knew he recently started his own business back up again.. but I haven't talked to anyone that had any work done with him have you had work done with him?
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Re: Just cam's Zip 587 or 117? If you've done this once or twice over?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2018, 11:37:39 AM »
Haha.. nevermind I didn't realize who responded to me I'm sure you haven't had work done with him.. but it's very good to know that you guys are talking amongst each other.
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Re: Just cam's Zip 587 or 117? If you've done this once or twice over?
« Reply #4 on: July 23, 2018, 06:51:24 AM »
The 587 work really really well with a slight bump in compression.....about 9.8 ish seemed to help
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Re: Just cam's Zip 587 or 117? If you've done this once or twice over?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2018, 06:35:47 PM »
Quote from: TorqueInc on July 23, 2018, 06:51:24 AM
The 587 work really really well with a slight bump in compression.....about 9.8 ish seemed to help


Good advice right there PAhunter. John knows what he talking about. (fwtw)

+1 on JDs for the tune. Don't use a dealer, (they're constrained by EPA Bullcrap)
« Last Edit: July 26, 2018, 06:40:59 PM by MCE Performance »
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Re: Just cam's Zip 587 or 117? If you've done this once or twice over?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2018, 07:00:44 PM »
Based on everything I've seen in this thread, I would put those cams in it along with better pipe and a tune.
That will satisfy your needs for the time being.

Do head milling(port work?) and a TB later on...  food for thought.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2018, 07:02:26 PM by MCE Performance »
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