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[screamin eagle]

 Just picked up my bike from Zippers. HP and TQ numbers: 124 hp and 132 TQ bike is an animal. Have not got on it real hard yet, will wait until I have 300 miles on it. Hopefully this weekend with the nice weather. Bike is a lot smoother running with the Crankshaft balanced. The sound is incredible once it warms up. Zippers did a great job even though it took over 2 months. You can't even tell from looking at the motor that its a Sleeper 113.

[HWYMAN1]

Just picked up my bike from Zippers. HP and TQ numbers: 124 hp and 132 TQ bike is an animal. Have not got on it real hard yet, will wait until I have 300 miles on it. Hopefully this weekend with the nice weather. Bike is a lot smoother running with the Crankshaft balanced. The sound is incredible once it warms up. Zippers did a great job even though it took over 2 months. You can't even tell from looking at the motor that its a Sleeper 113.

Those are some great numbers. You may have to invest a riding harness to strap yourself in! john

[Twolanerider]

Just picked up my bike from Zippers. HP and TQ numbers: 124 hp and 132 TQ bike is an animal. Have not got on it real hard yet, will wait until I have 300 miles on it. Hopefully this weekend with the nice weather. Bike is a lot smoother running with the Crankshaft balanced. The sound is incredible once it warms up. Zippers did a great job even though it took over 2 months. You can't even tell from looking at the motor that its a Sleeper 113.

Why did it take so long?

[radavi98]

Looks sharp and hope you have better luck with yours than I did with my 107 from them.  Are those their numbers or did you dyno test on your own??  Will tell more of my story after court on the 30th....unless they post pone again.

[Twolanerider]

Looks sharp and hope you have better luck with yours than I did with my 107 from them.  Are those their numbers or did you dyno test on your own??  Will tell more of my story after court on the 30th....unless they post pone again.

uh oh.....

[nidan]

Sounds like you'll be needin velcro for that seat

[screamin eagle]

 Basically it was do to the Crankshaft having to be sent out to balanced and trued. Then having to wait in line for a lift to get open. I would not have got much riding done until know because of the weather.

Why did it take so long?

[Bulldog]

If you don't mind sharing with us how much $$$$ "out the door" for everything you had done, and could you detail any extras because those are some seriously strong numbers. I want one.

Have fun and hold on

Thanks Bulldog

[SBB]

If you don't mind sharing with us how much $$$$ "out the door" for everything you had done, and could you detail any extras because those are some seriously strong numbers. I want one.

Have fun and hold on

Thanks Bulldog

Gavin

There are other ways to go and spend less.
The real questions are, how much do you want and how much are you willing to spend?
Call me and we can work thru your questions.


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Come to Quaker Steak tonight and we can talk about it.
A bunch of us will be there around 6 to 9.

[screamin eagle]

If you don't mind sharing with us how much $$$$ "out the door" for everything you had done, and could you detail any extras because those are some seriously strong numbers. I want one.

Have fun and hold on

Thanks Bulldog
 You are welcome to call Zippers and tell them you want a 113 muscle kit. They can then send you a quote.

[SBB]

Thanks Bulldog
 You are welcome to call Zippers and tell them you want a 113 muscle kit. They can then send you a quote.
[/quote]


So S/E can you give us a ballpark on the cost?



 

[SBB]

Just picked up my bike from Zippers. HP and TQ numbers: 124 hp and 132 TQ bike is an animal. Have not got on it real hard yet, will wait until I have 300 miles on it. Hopefully this weekend with the nice weather. Bike is a lot smoother running with the Crankshaft balanced. The sound is incredible once it warms up. Zippers did a great job even though it took over 2 months. You can't even tell from looking at the motor that its a Sleeper 113.

And S/E,
Thats a fine looking bike!
I like the sleeper look myself!
As said above, just hold tight!

 

[SCRM-R]

Just picked up my bike from Zippers. HP and TQ numbers: 124 hp and 132 TQ bike is an animal. Have not got on it real hard yet, will wait until I have 300 miles on it. Hopefully this weekend with the nice weather. Bike is a lot smoother running with the Crankshaft balanced. The sound is incredible once it warms up. Zippers did a great job even though it took over 2 months. You can't even tell from looking at the motor that its a Sleeper 113.

Very nice looking bike, and Zippers certainly does good work.  Was that a 4th gear SAE pull?  Can you post the dyno sheet?  I would like to see it.

[Bulldog]

Chip - I was at Quaker Steak last night did not see you - but yeah i would definitely be interested in talking to you about some go faster parts.....I will give you a call.

Thanks, Gavin

PS S/E - still would like to hear a ballpark on that 113 muscle kit... PM me if you do not want to put the # out on the whole site.

[nidan]

For those who are into it, here's a 113 kit dyno posted at Latus HD

[nidan]

TW8 and a 51mm TB

[altugo]

Very nice screamin.Could you also post this in fatboy section incase guys might not be checkin here.

[d o g o l s]

  great Numbers 

[screamin eagle]

 I just returned from the Outerbanks HOG Rally and put 895 miles on the 113 and It ran great. I had to put a few people in there place when they thought the could just walk all over my 103 sleeper.  All they saw was my tail light. I sure was worth the money I spent at Zippers.   

[radavi98]

Well I said I would respond more after court and here it is.  I lost the case. But the loss was due to my ignorance in the legal arena.  I did not have a lawyer so, I took the knife to a gunfight.  I will keep this short, but respond if you want more info.


4/03  Paid for Muscle 107 kit built and installed by Zippers  99hp and 115 tq
4/05  Rode to Daytona, lifter shredded causing massive damage.  Well past 1 yr warranty
6/05  Zippers completely rebuilt 107 at discounted rate, allegedly same hp and tq ratings
8/05  Trip to Sturgis, SD bike was sputtering and power was low.  Took to Speeds performance for dyno tuning.  66hp and 92tq.  Called Zippers for assistance, was told to bring back to shop…in Maryland.  Speeds mentioned oil cavitation/circulation most likely the cause.  Zippers stated may be altitude related.  Sturgis altitude approx 4000ft
8/05  Returned from Sturgis and Zippers said repair was made and stated carburator problem
5/06  Trip to Myrtle Beach, SC.  Took to Cycle Solutions for dyno tuning.  Four runs ranging from 56-60 HP and 79-82 TQ. Called Zippers for assistance, was told to bring back to shop…in Maryland.  Altitude was not mentioned. Tuner also mentioned oil cavitation/circulation most likely the cause
6/06  Zippers alleges they fixed the issue and when I requested a warranty extension for a second opinion since I was at the end of the 1 year warranty, I received the statement typed as shown in quotes, their grammar/spelling, not mine.

“findings we found in the eng dyno as is power inconsistent. Cam plate was removed to inspect oil flow which flow/was weak/ removed cam plate. Inspection of check valve and we found small debris lodged in bore of ck valve and upon inspection of lifters, we found corrosive etching on tappet rollers. Comments from oil engine enclose is not compatible with the environment (usage)  if component failure occurs there is no further warranty due to the use of Amszoil
Due to the corrosive condition of engine parts due to the use of Amszoil, no further warranty of labor or materials apply to this job. Zippers recommends you cease using the current oil and switch to spectro golden or redline synthetic and change every 2500 miles.”

7/06 I was forwarded the oil analysis, that Zippers paid for.  Report shows viscosity slightly low and recommends oil and filter change.  Not corrosive or out of specs for used oil.

8/06  Bike starts making noise similar to when first engine blew in 03, I parked the bike in hopes that the BBB claim and MD Attorney General’s claim would further induce mediation.  It didn’t
10/06  Cant wait, take bike to local shop for repair.  Valve spring breaks and bends valve.  The lifters that were replaced were inspected and no damage or corrosiveness found.
4/07  Went to court and was offered payment of valve spring repair providing I do not post anything on forum. I did receive an email from Dan after he was forwarded the info from the forum.  I chose no deal.

Opinions and stories are like A-holes….but the above statements are documented.  Their statements thru numerous phone calls, Amsoil caused the damage because the oil is corrosive.  Amsoil is owned by Amway, the altitude in Sturgis caused the lack of power  The debris causing a weak flow to internal parts….priceless.

[hard10]

I sure would like to hear their side of the story. Not that I doubt what you are saying. I am little surprised that they did not want you to post on this forum.

[Twolanerider]

All true, partially true, whatever; sorry for all the hassles you've endured.  That corrosive Amsoil and it's enhanced impacts at such high altitudes no doubt ate right through that valve spring.

The first questions that came to mind are the following:

Zippers finished the engine rebuild that was returned to you on 3 April.  On 5 April the motor blew due to a lifter failure?

How did the lifter fail such that it took the rest of the engine out with it?  And if Zippers had just done an engine rebuild did that rebuild include a set of lifters.  If so, why was their any charge for the re-rebuild that was completed in June?

No matter what.  No matter whose stories get told.  I do so love working with vendors anymore.  They are all so efficient, direct, honest and effective in their promises, ethic and craftsmanship that we are truly blessed by the motorcycle gods to be allowed to spend our money with them.  If you don't believe this just ask them.  Because it certainly is the attitude that too many of them seem to work under.

Without regard to all the hassles and loss; what ended up being the final resolution with the bike?  Different motor?  Someone else actually fixed it?  How's it working now and what all ended up being done to make it (finally) right?

[hogasm]

I would like to see the oil analysis that made Zippers say that Amsoil is corrosive. I would not be supprised that if Amsoil found out that Zippers was calling Amsoil a corrosive and substandard oil that legal actions might be coming their way.

[Chief]

All true, partially true, whatever; sorry for all the hassles you've endured.  That corrosive Amsoil and it's enhanced impacts at such high altitudes no doubt ate right through that valve spring.

The first questions that came to mind are the following:

Zippers finished the engine rebuild that was returned to you on 3 April.  On 5 April the motor blew due to a lifter failure?

How did the lifter fail such that it took the rest of the engine out with it?  And if Zippers had just done an engine rebuild did that rebuild include a set of lifters.  If so, why was their any charge for the re-rebuild that was completed in June?

No matter what.  No matter whose stories get told.  I do so love working with vendors anymore.  They are all so efficient, direct, honest and effective in their promises, ethic and craftsmanship that we are truly blessed by the motorcycle gods to be allowed to spend our money with them.  If you don't believe this just ask them.  Because it certainly is the attitude that too many of them seem to work under.

Without regard to all the hassles and loss; what ended up being the final resolution with the bike?  Different motor?  Someone else actually fixed it?  How's it working now and what all ended up being done to make it (finally) right?

Could be wrong, but I think it was built April 2003 and blew April 2005.

[radavi98]

Twolanerider, the 4/03 and 4/05 are month/year.  The lifter had shredded and tore up the housing so much that the bottom end had to be replaced and remachined to accommodate the 107 top end.  The lifter failure from the original build.  The cause at that time was said to be oil contamination.  Water to be specific, but only speculation.  No analysis that I know of.  Current status, bought the 07 SE Ultra for reliability and local hops for the road king.  Will wait for next failure and possibly replace with S&S.  Either way I am going button fly, no more zippers for me

[Twolanerider]

 Either way I am going button fly, no more zippers for me

Sorry for misinterpreting the dates.  The extended time frame certainly alters the debate; though certainly not the frustration.  Love your line copied above though.  That's priceless.  An appropriate sense of humor is never a bad thing  .

[radavi98]

Gotta laugh!!  Paid way too much not to.  First build 2 years and approx 15k miles.  Second build almost a year to the day and around 9k miles total

[Ironhorse]

Gotta laugh!!  Paid way too much not to.  First build 2 years and approx 15k miles.  Second build almost a year to the day and around 9k miles total

It's good to see you are still left with a sense of humor.
Personally I'm glad to see that you did not take the deal that Dan offered just to keep you from posting your experience.
Your postings will probably save some other rider a ton of money, and a headaches to boot.

[DCFIREMANN]

It's good to see you are still left with a sense of humor.
Personally I'm glad to see that you did not take the deal that Dan offered just to keep you from posting your experience.
Your postings will probably save some other rider a ton of money, and a headaches to boot.

Well maybe but when you look at all of the work that goes out of that shop it is way less than 1% of the customers that have any problems.

I think the biggest problem is the time it takes to get some of the work done. I know thay are doing better at setting up schedules and delivering more on time than in the past.

Another thing that nobody really talks about is HOW DID YOU RUN THE BIKE?? And HOW DID YOU BREAK IN THE MOTOR? And last HOW MUCH MAINTAINENCE DID YOU DO ON YOUR MOTOR? All of these come into play when you purchase a high performance motor. I know of very few people that have ever had any issues with Zippers except WHEN!!!!!! Yep when will I get the parts or the bike.

For many people that do not know Zippers is one of the most highly respected shops in the industry. EVEN BY THE MOTOR COMPANY! Like everyone else they will have issues with customers. If they didn't they would not being doing anything.

RADAVI98 I feel bad for you with the problems you have had. I can and will tell you when they did my 113 motor I was told NO AMSOIL. Actually I was told that by one of the machinest. He told me it breaks down a lot fasted than some of the others on the market. He also told me if I ran it drain it within 2500 miles.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[radavi98]

Motor was not ridden hard, in comparison to others, and broke in for 1000 miles prior to the trip to sturgis for the first 60HP dyno.  You were probably told about the Amsoil due to my case.  But the oil analysis did not confirm their statements.  For me, regular changes between the 2500-3000 mark, oil tested was right around the 3k mark after Myrtle.  I had also received an email from them stating my oil had experienced extreme temperatures.  When I asked about the response, I was told the oil tested had no relationship to me.  I was told the Amsoil was corrosive 1 month before the analysis was performed.  No idea how they decided it was corrosive prior to testing, I would like to know.  Have to look more into others Amsoil use.  For me, I have rebuilt jap engines before and performed lots of work on many of my bikes when I was married and had tools. Maintained my 98 Low Rider for 45k miles plus before selling and switched to Amsoil around 25k miles without issue.  I went with Zippers based on their reputation also.  Not saying that this is the rule, but being the exception sucks.

[DCFIREMANN]

I would like to see the oil analysis that made Zippers say that Amsoil is corrosive. I would not be supprised that if Amsoil found out that Zippers was calling Amsoil a corrosive and substandard oil that legal actions might be coming their way.

I don't think they would ever come out and blast Amsoil. When they did my motor they didn't say it was bad just not to think because it was a synthetic I could go 5k miles with it in the motor.

They did reccommend a few others to run.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[DCFIREMANN]

Motor was not ridden hard, in comparison to others, and broke in for 1000 miles prior to the trip to sturgis for the first 60HP dyno.  You were probably told about the Amsoil due to my case.  But the oil analysis did not confirm their statements.  For me, regular changes between the 2500-3000 mark, oil tested was right around the 3k mark after Myrtle.  I had also received an email from them stating my oil had experienced extreme temperatures.  When I asked about the response, I was told the oil tested had no relationship to me.  I was told the Amsoil was corrosive 1 month before the analysis was performed.  No idea how they decided it was corrosive prior to testing, I would like to know.  Have to look more into others Amsoil use.  For me, I have rebuilt jap engines before and performed lots of work on many of my bikes when I was married and had tools. Maintained my 98 Low Rider for 45k miles plus before selling and switched to Amsoil around 25k miles without issue.  I went with Zippers based on their reputation also.  Not saying that this is the rule, but being the exception sucks.

I have now read this thread 3 times. I would really like to hear both sides of this story.

I have dealt with Zippers for over 17 years now. I really have never had a problem with them. I have a 2004 SEEG with the first CVO 113 muscle kit motor built. I was there quite a bit during testing with the 103 and 113 motors. I also know how the dyno system works. I can tell you they don't look for the highest numbers, but the most accurate and reliable numbers. I PROMISE. I know how their work pratices and work ethics are. They run a very tight ship. Yes I will agree they will have some issues with customers from time to time. But they are few and far in between. They are known WORLDWIDE and there must be a reason for that.

Now to get back on track.

Screamin Eagle I am glad to hear you love the 113 sleeper. I too have one. I just need to get Punkin back to Zippers for the final dyno tune and then I will install the Auto Tune to the bike. My numbers are 126 square. Oh and by the way that was on 2 different dyno's. One Zippers and one of Zippers competiors. I am very happy with the motor and the TQ curve is right where I want it.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[screamin eagle]

I have now read this thread 3 times. I would really like to hear both sides of this story.

I have dealt with Zippers for over 17 years now. I really have never had a problem with them. I have a 2004 SEEG with the first CVO 113 muscle kit motor built. I was there quite a bit during testing with the 103 and 113 motors. I also know how the dyno system works. I can tell you they don't look for the highest numbers, but the most accurate and reliable numbers. I PROMISE. I know how their work practices and work ethics are. They run a very tight ship. Yes I will agree they will have some issues with customers from time to time. But they are few and far in between. They are known WORLDWIDE and there must be a reason for that.

Now to get back on track.

Screamin Eagle I am glad to hear you love the 113 sleeper. I too have one. I just need to get Punkin back to Zippers for the final dyno tune and then I will install the Auto Tune to the bike. My numbers are 126 square. Oh and by the way that was on 2 different dyno's. One Zippers and one of Zippers competiors. I am very happy with the motor and the TQ curve is right where I want it.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
 DC, We will have to hook up some time and discuss. I am currently running Amsoil in mine and my wife's bike with no problems. I changed to amsoil after I had 500 mile on the upgrade. I ran it for 8000 mile prior to the change with no problems. I will be changing to Redline on the next oil change and use the remaining supply of amsoil in my wife's TC88. I would be interested to see what kind of numbers mine makes after a few thousand more miles. I put almost 1000 miles on it going to the Outerbanks last week. I would definitely do the auto tune.  Later Michael

[SBB]

"I have now read this thread 3 times. I would really like to hear both sides of this story."
Dawg
I was hoping you wouldn't respond to this post because I knew if you did then I would have to also.
Your line above about reading this thread three times also shows IMHO that you don't understand what has happened also. You say you would like to hear both sides of the story,,,, DAWG you have heard one side! There is only one other side left. Radavi has posted his side and whether it's true and accurate or just plain bullchit can only be determined by a response from Zippers. Think about it, one man against a large corporation. Do we expect Zippers to respond or will they just play the silent game of ignoring the issue. We all know which move for them would be the right one.

This is where you come in Dawg.
You are the only man on this site that I know of that can walk in the back door of Zippers and not be thrown out the front door. IMHO by responding to this thread and defending them you open yourself up to being part of the solution to Radavi's issue. In all the post you have placed here I have never read anything from you that put Zippers in a negative light. IMHO I do not think Zippers will respond to Radavi's post. Dawg, I love you like a brother but by you responding to Radavi's post and promoting that Zippers has high work practices and high work ethics then I think you should walk in that back door and find out what the real deal is. As you have made promises to us on this site as to Zippers quality and ability to make horsepower I promise that whatever your finding are, I will trust them to be the truth. I say that because I have the utmost respect for you. 
As I said in the beginning I was hoping you wouldn't respond to this thread but since you have I have to ask for your help in this matter. For me it's the right thing to do! I hope that you feel the same way!

Chip

"I have dealt with Zippers for over 17 years now. I really have never had a problem with them. I have a 2004 SEEG with the first CVO 113 muscle kit motor built. I was there quite a bit during testing with the 103 and 113 motors. I also know how the dyno system works. I can tell you they don't look for the highest numbers, but the most accurate and reliable numbers. I PROMISE. I know how their work pratices and work ethics are. They run a very tight ship. Yes I will agree they will have some issues with customers from time to time. But they are few and far in between. They are known WORLDWIDE and there must be a reason for that.



Be Safe

THE DAWG"

[hogasm]

I know this is not the right place to post this but since some are talking about Amsoil, here goes.

I run Amsoil in every motor  I own. From water pumps to a pair of C18 Cats that hold 15 gallons each. On the C18's a oil analysis is taken every 100 hours and nothing has been found out of the ordinary. We also have a pair of 800 hp Detroits that have over 8000 hours on them and we have never changed the oil. It runs through a special filter system that Amsoil has and we onlly change the filters and top off the oil that is lost in the filter change.

On another motor 1975 Ford 351 windsor, in one of our vans, it had 299,825 miles when I forgot to clean out the breather after a sand storm. Blew the gaskets so I decided to rebuild it. Took it to the machine shop and the cylinders cleaned up before a 5 thousands bore. We tool it to 10 thousands over because we could not get at that time 5 thousand over pistons. Today that motor has over 750,000 miles.

For me Amsoil all the way

[DCFIREMANN]

Chip I have talked to Zippers and they ARE TWO SIDE TO THIS STORY!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[SBB]

Chip I have talked to Zippers and they ARE TWO SIDE TO THIS STORY!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Well Dawg if you can't tell it here then call me.
You have the #.

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And damnit, as much as I hate typing you could have called me to start with!

[DCFIREMANN]

I am reaching out to touch some one!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Twolanerider]

I am reaching out to touch some one!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Anyone feel a little tickle?

[DCFIREMANN]

I AM BEING TICKELED RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Fired00d]

I AM BEING TICKELED RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

On second thought that might just be TMI.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[DCFIREMANN]

On second thought that might just be TMI.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

LONG DISTANCE AT THAT!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[Fired00d]

LONG DISTANCE AT THAT!!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

LOL!!!

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[SBB]

Anyone feel a little tickle?

Well!
Long discussion with Dawg!
And a good one
In my above post I stated to him that one side of the story had been told and it wasn't the Zippers side.
I was wrong.
To stand corrected, I have to say only parts of one side of the story have been told. The parts that have been told were information that put Zippers in a bad light. There is much more to the story than what has been posted.

In summary, based on info I received I would purchase from Zippers with out concern.
(but like Don, I have to wonder WHY DOES SHIPPING TAKE SO LONG?)
But since the T man parts I have seem to be indestructable, I probably will not have to! 


Dawg, your help and quick followup is appreciated!
Now get your ass to MBBW so we can wear out Hubbard!

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[TheVgirl]

Hey Chip, we'll be in Traveler's Rest this weekend!  Why don't you, Nancy, Hubbard and Otis ride down for brunch or lunch on Sunday?  Won't have the bikes, but can still shoot the $hit!

[Fired00d]

Well!
Long discussion with Dawg!
And a good one
In my above post I stated to him that one side of the story had been told and it wasn't the Zippers side.
I was wrong.
To stand corrected, I have to say only parts of one side of the story have been told. The parts that have been told were information that put Zippers in a bad light. There is much more to the story than what has been posted.

In summary, based on info I received I would purchase from Zippers with out concern.
(but like Don, I have to wonder WHY DOES SHIPPING TAKE SO LONG?)
But since the T man parts I have seem to be indestructable, I probably will not have to! 


Dawg, your help and quick followup is appreciated!
Now get your ass to MBBW so we can wear out Hubbard!

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Exactly, goes along w/what I posted here earlier - Zippers Issues.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[SBB]

Hey Chip, we'll be in Traveler's Rest this weekend!  Why don't you, Nancy, Hubbard and Otis ride down for brunch or lunch on Sunday?  Won't have the bikes, but can still shoot the $hit!

Cool beans there "V",,,, oops, I mean Mrs. Dawg! Or is that "Little Dawg"?

We are going on the Ricky Hendrick charity ride on Sunday but Saturday is wide open!

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[DCFIREMANN]

Cool beans there "V",,,, oops, I mean Mrs. Dawg! Or is that "Little Dawg"?

We are going on the Ricky Hendrick charity ride on Sunday but Saturday is wide open!

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Yep that is correct. The little ones will answer to "LITTLE DAWGS"

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[TheVgirl]

Cool beans there "V",,,, oops, I mean Mrs. Dawg! Or is that "Little Dawg"?

We are going on the Ricky Hendrick charity ride on Sunday but Saturday is wide open!

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I'll let you coordinate time and location with Dawg since we'll all be working around his schedule!!  I hope to have all the furniture for my son's new house ready to go tomorrow to take up to Greenville on Saturday.  Then will be staying overnight and heading back home on Sunday.

V