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what do you put in you're rubber?
« on: February 07, 2008, 02:53:01 PM »

I work at a dealership that does a lot of high performance Mustangs. One of the owners is the fastest funnycar in a1/4 mile. One of the things they encourage is to use Nitrogen to fill the tires. This supposedly keeps the tire cooler while adding traction and control.Has anyone tried this on a bike ?They tell me it will be a great benefit.
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2008, 02:58:30 PM »

Currently three threads concerning this....

nitroger in your tires ?

Nitrogen Filled Tires?

Anyone using Nitrogen in their tires?

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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2008, 05:22:35 PM »

I work at a dealership that does a lot of high performance Mustangs. One of the owners is the fastest funnycar in a1/4 mile. One of the things they encourage is to use Nitrogen to fill the tires. This supposedly keeps the tire cooler while adding traction and control.Has anyone tried this on a bike ?They tell me it will be a great benefit.

My inexperienced opinion on this is for regular street use, Nitrogen in your tires will benefit the shop that puts it into your tires the most.

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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2008, 06:46:15 PM »

Sorry, I thought this was a different topic :o
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2008, 06:48:12 PM »

Sorry, I thought this was a different topic :o
Shame, shame on you. ;) :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2008, 06:56:46 PM »

I put the same thing inside that's outside, only at a higher pressure! It doesn't handle very well if I leave the inside pressure, the same as the pressure outside the tire! ::) :o ;D ;)

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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2008, 07:12:45 PM »

Nitrogen in your tires will benefit the shop that puts it into your tires the most.


Agreed. Costco does the nitrogen as a courtesy. But in reality, unless you pump down the tire to a negative pressure, you will never fill it with 100% nitrogen, just somewhere between 80% and 100%, probably a lot closer to 80-85%.

As a side note, us divers in cold water and dry suits have used argon (an inert gas) as a suit inflation gas. Theory is that the argon being a denser gas will help keep you warmer. This also does not work that great unless you evacuate the suit prior to inflating it with 100% argon.

This actually works, but for the most part is not worth the extra cost and effort.
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2008, 07:40:54 PM »

Since nitrogen already makes up 78% of our regular atmosphere, completely purging all air from the tire and then filling with pure nitrogen will yield only a relatively small difference.  In street applications this small difference will only be noticeable if you measure pressure loss (at a constant temperature) over a period of months, with the pure nitrogen tire losing slightly less pressure from migration through the pores of the rubber.  Since you should be checking/adjusting tire pressure at least monthly anyway, I fail to see any advantage.  As for any handling difference on the street, that is a ludicrous claim at best.

If someone wants to give it to you free of charge, fine.  If you actually pay good money for it, then I suggest you have too much money burning a hole in your pocket and should send your excess funds to GRC care of this web site. ::)

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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2008, 07:59:52 PM »

Since nitrogen already makes up 78% of our regular atmosphere, completely purging all air from the tire and then filling with pure nitrogen will yield only a relatively small difference.  In street applications this small difference will only be noticeable if you measure pressure loss (at a constant temperature) over a period of months, with the pure nitrogen tire losing slightly less pressure from migration through the pores of the rubber.  Since you should be checking/adjusting tire pressure at least monthly anyway, I fail to see any advantage.  As for any handling difference on the street, that is a ludicrous claim at best.

If someone wants to give it to you free of charge, fine.  If you actually pay good money for it, then I suggest you have too much money burning a hole in your pocket and should send your excess funds to GRC care of this web site. ::)

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The only possible advantage of using nitrogen is - because it is an inert gas, it is expands less with temperature.  So, if using compressed air to inflate your tires and the tire operating temperature increases - the air expands and your tires gain a few psi.  And if inflating your tires with compressed nitrogen and the tire operating temperature increases - the nitrogen expands slightly less and your tires gain slightly less pressure as compared to compressed air.  So - I agree - a better use of your money would be to make a contribution to the GRC Fund for Wayward Dollars as suggested above...

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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 04:40:02 AM »

Straight air for this dude.
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 05:18:57 AM »

Air. Either globally warmed or not.
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2008, 11:58:59 AM »

The only possible advantage of using nitrogen is - because it is an inert gas, it is expands less with temperature.  So, if using compressed air to inflate your tires and the tire operating temperature increases - the air expands and your tires gain a few psi.  And if inflating your tires with compressed nitrogen and the tire operating temperature increases - the nitrogen expands slightly less and your tires gain slightly less pressure as compared to compressed air.  So - I agree - a better use of your money would be to make a contribution to the GRC Fund for Wayward Dollars as suggested above...

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Tire shop guy had just told nut-job guy that he'd put nitrogen in his new tires and explained it was an inert gas.  Near as I could guess nut-job buy was confusing the meaning of the words inert and stationary :bananarock: .
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2008, 02:38:03 PM »

I have nitrogen put in my tires for two reasons:
     1.  The tires run cooler
     2.  The nitrogen does not leak out, so the tires hold their pressure
It is inexpensive and practical
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2008, 11:26:55 PM »

Compressed Air.  It ain't broke.  Works good.  Lasts a long time.
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Re: what do you put in you're rubber?
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2008, 05:23:59 AM »

Compressed Air.  It ain't broke.  Works good.  Lasts a long time.

And the price is great
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