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Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« on: April 24, 2005, 09:02:59 AM »

 [smiley=nixweiss.gif]I am interested in the best performance package for an 05 SEEG that can be had without endangering the 2yr warranty and ,hopefully, can be done by the dealer when I pick the thing up in mid May.

I have two other bikes fill my needs for speed (Ducati 999 and Triumph Rocket III) but want the SEEG to look and sound great while performing as well as possible inside the HD warranty parameters.  I intend to ride the chit out of it for two years and want a no hassle warranty in place no matter what dealer I may end up at in my travels.   I also live in South Florida where heat is a major issue.  I like the look of the true duals from rinehart which I hope do not impact the warrranty and have been told they sound very good.  

I have read through all the threads on performance for the 103 but want to get clear advice on this specific topic if possible.  

I also want to go ahead with the 12" Progressive 440's and hope they will not raise any warranty issues.  

Last but not least suggestions for additional HD chrome and functional touring stuff to enhance the look and usefullness would be appreciated.   I know this is personal but this is my first HD non-chopper and I have no experience at this.  I do intend to add my escort Solo along with the radar screamer for a little blue light protection.  

Thanks in advance for any thoughts you have time to share.  I will get the thing Dyno'd when done and share the results along with pictures.





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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2005, 09:34:02 AM »

The dealer can perform a stage 1 setup with no warranty issues. The bike will run much cooler and the true duals will help it run a lot better. I would also run a larger throttle body with the proper ECM changes. I don't know what the dealer will say about that. I personally don't worry about warranty issues. These motors are pretty tough and have rev limiters set at around 5800 rpm. Running on the highway you will stay around 3000 rpm. I would also run amsoil syn oil and not syn3 after your 500 mile service.

I hope this helps you out. I'm sure some others will chime in here and give some other ideas. thats one of the great thing about this site. Stay safe.

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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2005, 09:36:07 AM »

OH and BTW Pappy pardon me for being so rude.

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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2005, 04:17:32 PM »

Thanks for the advice, this site has already brought me luck as I was not able to officially put my deposit down until I got the call today and now it is just a waiting game for the delivery of my banana.   This may sound stupid but what exactly is the stage one kit for the SE 103?  I am a novice when it comes to stock harley stuff as I only owned a Pat Kennedy chopper that ran an SU carb and open pipes and generally fell apart on each outing.  My best riding buddy has an UC that has the big bore kit, a power commander that blinked out on him and runs a 2-1 pro pipe.  He blew the head gaskets out one day a couple of weeks ago and I am a little leary because he keeps getting shut down on rides.  In fairness he has about 15K miles on the thing in a couple of years and has a strong right wrist so it does get a work out.  This probably explains my warranty madness as well.
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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2005, 04:21:54 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2005, 10:15:36 PM »

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I would also run amsoil syn oil and not syn3 after your 500 mile service.

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No offense, but have heard nothing but good stuff about Syn3 in all 3 holes from guys running it over 40K miles so far.   Syn3 is an excellent pure synthetic from all I've read.  You don't sell Amsoil on the side, do ya Dawg?   [smiley=laugh.gif]

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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2005, 11:17:32 PM »

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Yo Dawg,
No offense, but have heard nothing but good stuff about Syn3 in all 3 holes from guys running it over 40K miles so far.
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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2005, 01:57:32 AM »

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Unfortunately I'll have to be the first then to pop the "Syn3 in all three holes" universally positive vote.

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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2005, 06:29:05 AM »

Well, that's what I like about this forum...more information is always good.  The Redline in the tranny sounds like a good option but remember these 'tests' are difficult to make sense of because 'bits' can come from hard shifting...but I think it's a valid point.  Was the test from MCN or who did it?  

Next question:  how often are you changing the oil filter with the Syn3?  I have always thought the 5K between filter changes is the weak link in the synthetic maintainance plan, just can't see an oil filter working well past 3K but here again, maybe there is a test on this you know about and more info is good...

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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2005, 06:56:09 AM »

Elvis I am a commercial Amsoil dealer. No I don't sell it on the side. I buy it at the commercial rate(which is less than the retailers) for my own use. I do run it in everything I own. I have a HVAC business on the side and I do run Ford F450's and F350's up and down the road. I just put an injector in one of those power strokes with 164,000 miles on it. When the valve cover came of the top of the head still looked like it was a new engine. So I figure if it can keep a diesel engine clean how will it help my Harley.

The aftermarket shops around here  don't run Syn3. They run either Amsoil or Redline. You might even see some Bel-Ray trannie fluid in some of the shops also. Bel-ray is what baker recomends (or did when I bought my last one) One of the H/D shops around here even sells Amsoil 20w50 V twin motorcycle oil.

It's just my opinion. I am sure one of the guys that work for a dealer will chime in here and let us know about all of the Harley Davidson propaganda he has downloaded in him!
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Elvis I am a commercial Amsoil dealer. No I don't sell it on the side. I buy it at the commercial rate(which is less than the retailers) for my own use. I do run it in everything I own. I have a HVAC business on the side and I do run Ford F450's and F350's up and down the road. I just put an injector in one of those power strokes with 164,000 miles on it. When the valve cover came of the top of the head still looked like it was a new engine. So I figure if it can keep a diesel engine clean how will it help my Harley.

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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2005, 01:37:28 PM »

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[smiley=nixweiss.gif]I am interested in the best performance package for an 05 SEEG that can be had without endangering the 2yr warranty and ,hopefully, can be done by the dealer when I pick the thing up in mid May.

I have two other bikes fill my needs for speed (Ducati 999 and Triumph Rocket III) but want the SEEG to look and sound great while performing as well as possible inside the HD warranty parameters.
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Re: Stongest 103 w/o warranty loss
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2005, 06:39:15 PM »

Thanks for all the advice so far.  I called Zippers about using their EFI with the Reinharts and air cleaner as it is a plug in and can be unplugged and replaced with the stock in a heartbeat if I have any warranty troubles.  They did indicate that they are redline distributors and have seen  10 degrees drop in oil temp using the redline products.  Maybe some sales issues but seemed worth a shot for a Tropical climate gut to try.  Anyone try there stuff in a basically stock motor.  The EFI claims to have like 1900 adjustment points versus 60 or so for the PC or RT which seems to make some sense?  They do have it premapped for a SE air cleaner and Reinhart true duals which makes getting the thing put together mighty easy.  It might be fun to start base stock ride a little and add things to see what difference they make.   [smiley=confused5.gif]
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2005, 11:20:53 PM »

"I would also run a larger throttle body with the proper ECM changes. I don't know what the dealer will say about that."

DC? I spoke to Zippers about this and they suggested I go ahead for the summer and run just their EFI, Reinhart True Duals and SE AC.  They are expecting to have their Throttle body/AC assembly ready to accept the SE cover by then and I would prefer to keep the stock look if I can and might enjoy the changes over time.  I think you added some stuff to the increased compression thread and assume you left that out here because of the increased heat issues as well as warranty.  Two of my friends here in South FL run higher compression 95s and seem to run into heat issues alot more after the hop ups.  I would really rather not have to stop a troll down the beach to let my bike cool down if I can avoid it and am looking to add the oil temp gauge just to keep an eye on it.   [smiley=1syellow1.gif]JP
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2005, 07:36:23 AM »

Pappy I was over at Zippers the other day. They have a motor with the throttle body on display. It uses the old evo style round air cleaner and looks great. I'm going into my old parts stock and dig one out and send it out to have some kind of custom engraving put on it. If you keep your compression in the 10. to 1 range I don't think you will have a problem. I would also change to another syn motor oil for the heat issues. Amsoil, redline and even Royal Purple. They do sell redline. I think you will be fine in the heat with the changes you want to do right now.

The Zippers ECM I think has more than 1900 adjustments I think it's more like 4100 compared to Harleys 40. Don't quote me on that but I think that is what Bill told me the other day. Good luck with your decision
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