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Local 110 build
« on: December 18, 2009, 10:39:44 PM »

A shop down in Lecanto Florida did this build ~~ Ironhorse Parts.  John Sachs did the heads.   Sure looks fun to ride.  Was just sent the dyno tonight.  

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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2009, 10:48:44 PM »

That's gonna be some ride :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2009, 03:25:47 PM »

just cams and pipes?  oh and a good tune?
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 03:29:39 PM »

just cams and pipes?  oh and a good tune?

I wouldn't believe that for a minute! You're not going to get numbers like that with just cams and a pipe, I don't care how long you tune it. He said the heads were done and I'd say there's prolly some compression added too! ;)

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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 03:47:44 PM »

just cams and pipes?  oh and a good tune?

Sure plus good headwork and ~11/1 compression
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2009, 11:36:36 AM »

Dewey,

They didn't go for high compression as they dont want the issues associated with the heat and being at sea level here in Florida.  I am not sure what you are finding, but not everyone needs to use high compression to make horse power.  Sure big compression will make power, but there are consequences on parts such as Starters, ring gears, and the front connecting rods.   I have had a few and its not worth giving up the longevity imo.   Maybe fun, for the short term, but becomes like owning a boat a hole you just keep sinking money in. 

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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2009, 12:00:55 PM »

Dewey,

They didn't go for high compression as they dont want the issues associated with the heat and being at sea level here in Florida.  I am not sure what you are finding, but not everyone needs to use high compression to make horse power.  Sure big compression will make power, but there are consequences on parts such as Starters, ring gears, and the front connecting rods.   I have had a few and its not worth giving up the longevity imo.   Maybe fun, for the short term, but becomes like owning a boat a hole you just keep sinking money in. 

Happy New Year all,


What is the static and corrected CR for this motor? What pistons were used? THX
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2009, 12:20:27 PM »

Is that yours Harry?

I'd like to run that down the street and back. :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2009, 12:31:24 PM »

JCZ,

It's not mine, my SEUC4 is still a virgin so to speak.  RoadGlide Air Cleaner, Catless Header, Fullsac's 2", TTS and dyno tune.   Actually thinking/considering selling it, having a lot of fun on the 05 SEEG.

I bet it would be fun to run down the road for sure.

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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2009, 12:36:30 PM »

Take note:
The dyno run has different scaling on the left and right sides, therefore the torque line and hp do not cross at 5,250 as they should. The run was done in STD, uncorrected. The HP peak number and TQ do not match the graph, if I am not mistaken???
No discredit to anyone PERIOD, I am sure this bike runs great, just some adjustments need to be made to the software to compare in a format we all use as the defacto standard, SAE corrected, same scales left and right sides.
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2009, 12:50:15 PM »

Dewey,

You seem to be a pretty smart guy, you should know the numbers are the numbers, big deal they didnt print out the dyno sheet in forced scaling whoopie doo.   The only difference would be that they lines cross at 5200.   I posted this because a lot of people want to know what is possible out of a 110 motor without making it a full race motor at 200+ CCP with fast ramp early close cams.   Most of us want to enjoy the bikes not be rebuilding every season.

Dewey my recommendation is to get with the builder he has all the detailed information and maybe he will share it with you.  I just don't have all the details and rather than give mis information its best to go to the horses mouth.

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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2009, 01:27:14 PM »

Often times I have said the numbers don't matter. I am sure these bikes run great. I would not be surprised however if the CCP is not at or near 200# to get that wide and high of a torque curve (I am complimenting the builder and head proter for job well done) but as you have stated it runs good and starts easy which makes sense using a cam with a 54° intake close. I am just curious so that I may learn more. I may be a smart guy but I am wide open to learning more all the time. Sharing information is how we do that.
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2009, 10:11:22 PM »

While everyone drools at peak numbers, I am more concerned with the lack of info at 2000 rpm.  I see the shape of the torque curve at 2500 and I would not want that to be a daily driver. 
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2010, 02:58:07 AM »


the numbers are the numbers, big deal



Than why bother posting them?

These weird dyno sheets have been posted before (by Harry at least once).  They're just entertainment. 

Even less worth than a "good" dyno sheet that adheres to commonly accepted standards and norms.  With all the variants that can go in to their production even the "good" sheets are good for little more than comparing curve shapes and ogling over beer. 

If the "good" sheets aren't worth any more than that fear not.  Sheets that beg questions by their very presentation still have a purpose.  On a roll  :toilet: .
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Re: Local 110 build
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2010, 12:55:27 PM »

Don,

The numbers are correct, but becuase the lines dont cross where you would like to see them doesnt make them not right.  Because the picture isnt what YOU want makes them no less valuable to someone looking at what a combination in a 110 does.  If there was a defacto standard we would only see one printout from everyone it isnt the case, so get off your soap box.

I put it up here for people to look at as a post for someone considering upgrading a motor nothing more.   It isn't my bike, but thought for the community it was worth sharing.   If you dont like it dont read it and consider it the roll you mention.

If someone is interested they can contact the shop or the porter he frequents here, just doesnt troll like some others.

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