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While in Louisiana (770 miles from home) and down in the Bayou (25 miles from civilization) my 09 SEUC went into "Limp mode".
Having never experienced that before I wasn't sure what to do. We were about 5 miles from our destination so I "limped" there.
The motor would only run at 2K rpm with no throttle control. It was last Friday evening so I called my service manager's (in Charlotte) cell phone.
When he answered I told him what the issue was and he said he would call me back in a few minutes. He called back and told me the sequence to reset so the bike would come out of limp mode. It worked and we left the swamp. A few miles down the road it went back into "limp mode" again. I stopped and reset the bike again. This time it ran OK to get us back to the motel. The next day I took it to Hammond Harley Davidson so they could fix it. Per the "code" displayed they said they needed to change some connection pins at the ECM. They told me that they had seen this before and asked if I had been riding on rough roads. I responded with "this is Louisiana, all the roads are rough". They changed the pins, test rode it and said it was good to go. RIGHT! I rode it the 770 miles home and took the bike to my dealer so they could REcheck it.
I'm at 28500 miles and they are telling me that Harley is aware that during periods of much vibration or mileage over 8000 this can occur. They then showed me a copy of  2/4 TT418 of which I have scanned and attached. Please read what it says. I am just amazed that now every 8K or more miles I need to have my connection pins checked for corrosion or looseness. Even with 28K on the bike the roads in La were the bumpiest I had ever been on. Hell, back in the Bayou I was just glad they were paved even though they were rough. So add another concern I need to consider when travelling with my 09 110 that I never considered.

TBW/FBW or whatever it's called, isn't technology great!


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[GregKhougaz]

Chip, as always you're on top of things.  Thanks for the good info and sorry for your hassles!

[Screamin]

Thanks for the good poop Chip. Good info and glad you got it worked out w/o too much hassle.

What a bunch of chit.

[grc]

I know this is a totally dumb question, but what is the MoCo's plan to eliminate that problem (other than having the owner's remove pins from connectors and clean them, that is)?  Sounds like just more of the same ol' same ol', with the customer bearing the burden of poor design/poor manufacturing/poor customer service.  I'd hate to be riding across the desert out west and go into "limp home" mode 200 miles from anywhere.  And why is this not considered a safety defect requiring a recall? 

Absolutely amazing, once again.


Jerry

[mjb765]

I fI may ask...what is the procedure to reset from Limp mode??

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I know this is a totally dumb question, but what is the MoCo's plan to eliminate that problem (other than having the owner's remove pins from connectors and clean them, that is)?  Sounds like just more of the same ol' same ol', with the customer bearing the burden of poor design/poor manufacturing/poor customer service.  I'd hate to be riding across the desert out west and go into "limp home" mode 200 miles from anywhere.  And why is this not considered a safety defect requiring a recall? 

Absolutely amazing, once again.


Jerry

Jerry

I been waiting for your post.
Unfortunately there seems to be no plan.
And yesterday when riding the 01 SERG on the Blue Ridge Parkway I was very thankful there was no TBW on that bike.

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[Twolanerider]

Is this dissimilar metals in the pins/sockets/wires or has HD created a new area of foreign intrusion that hadn't been problematic before?

[SBB]

I fI may ask...what is the procedure to reset from Limp mode??

What I was told to do was,

With the "OFF Run" handlebar switch in the "RUN" position, you then turn the ignition switch (keyed switch) on and off 4 times and the ECM resets.
I did that and it worked.
Why it works, I don't have a clue and out in the Bayou I was just glad it did.

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[mjb765]

What I was told to do was,

With the "OFF Run" handlebar switch in the "RUN" position, you then turn the ignition switch (keyed switch) on and off 4 times and the ECM resets.
I did that and it worked.
Why it works, I don't have a clue and out in the Bayou I was just glad it did.

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Thanks

[skreminegul07]

While in Louisiana (770 miles from home) and down in the Bayou (25 miles from civilization) my 09 SEUC went into "Limp mode".
Having never experienced that before I wasn't sure what to do. We were about 5 miles from our destination so I "limped" there.
The motor would only run at 2K rpm with no throttle control. It was last Friday evening so I called my service manager's (in Charlotte) cell phone.
When he answered I told him what the issue was and he said he would call me back in a few minutes. He called back and told me the sequence to reset so the bike would come out of limp mode. It worked and we left the swamp. A few miles down the road it went back into "limp mode" again. I stopped and reset the bike again. This time it ran OK to get us back to the motel. The next day I took it to Hammond Harley Davidson so they could fix it. Per the "code" displayed they said they needed to change some connection pins at the ECM. They told me that they had seen this before and asked if I had been riding on rough roads. I responded with "this is Louisiana, all the roads are rough". They changed the pins, test rode it and said it was good to go. RIGHT! I rode it the 770 miles home and took the bike to my dealer so they could REcheck it.
I'm at 28500 miles and they are telling me that Harley is aware that during periods of much vibration or mileage over 8000 this can occur. They then showed me a copy of  2/4 TT418 of which I have scanned and attached. Please read what it says. I am just amazed that now every 8K or more miles I need to have my connection pins checked for corrosion or looseness. Even with 28K on the bike the roads in La were the bumpiest I had ever been on. Hell, back in the Bayou I was just glad they were paved even though they were rough. So add another concern I need to consider when travelling with my 09 110 that I never considered.

TBW/FBW or whatever it's called, isn't technology great!


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I'd still rather a carburetor. Period.  Glad it worked out.  What about Dielectric grease on the pins if its corrosion?

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I'd still rather a carburetor. Period.  Glad it worked out.  What about Dielectric grease on the pins if its corrosion?

Hammond Harley said they packed the connections full when they replaced the pins.
And same for my dealer here when they checked everything.

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[HOGMIKE]

While in Louisiana (770 miles from home) and down in the Bayou (25 miles from civilization) my 09 SEUC went into "Limp mode".
Having never experienced that before I wasn't sure what to do. We were about 5 miles from our destination so I "limped" there.
The motor would only run at 2K rpm with no throttle control. It was last Friday evening so I called my service manager's (in Charlotte) cell phone.
When he answered I told him what the issue was and he said he would call me back in a few minutes. He called back and told me the sequence to reset so the bike would come out of limp mode. It worked and we left the swamp. A few miles down the road it went back into "limp mode" again. I stopped and reset the bike again. This time it ran OK to get us back to the motel. The next day I took it to Hammond Harley Davidson so they could fix it. Per the "code" displayed they said they needed to change some connection pins at the ECM. They told me that they had seen this before and asked if I had been riding on rough roads. I responded with "this is Louisiana, all the roads are rough". They changed the pins, test rode it and said it was good to go. RIGHT! I rode it the 770 miles home and took the bike to my dealer so they could REcheck it.
I'm at 28500 miles and they are telling me that Harley is aware that during periods of much vibration or mileage over 8000 this can occur. They then showed me a copy of  2/4 TT418 of which I have scanned and attached. Please read what it says. I am just amazed that now every 8K or more miles I need to have my connection pins checked for corrosion or looseness. Even with 28K on the bike the roads in La were the bumpiest I had ever been on. Hell, back in the Bayou I was just glad they were paved even though they were rough. So add another concern I need to consider when travelling with my 09 110 that I never considered.

TBW/FBW or whatever it's called, isn't technology great!


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Bent a pushrod in my Pan years ago......150mi from home.
Took both pushrods out of the rear cylinder, rode home on the front cylinder.
Try THAT with the new bikes!!
 

[smkymtnboy]

  chip stay out of that dang swamp. that places rusts everything. keep on ridge running

[Unbalanced]

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=43982.msg667330#msg667330

Here is a link to the pdf, on it.

[grc]

Is this dissimilar metals in the pins/sockets/wires or has HD created a new area of foreign intrusion that hadn't been problematic before?

Don, somehow H-D just keeps finding ways to take simple technology that isn't problematic anywhere else and screw it up.  And what's even worse is they seem to keep getting away with it without the major repercussions that would be felt by other companies if their products crapped out if you drove them over bumpy roads, for instance.  What kind of total BS is that?  I wonder if Toyota or Ford could just tell their customers that they might have to get their electrical connectors in their cars disassembled, tweaked, cleaned, and reassembled at 8,000 miles, or that they should avoid rough roads?  And btw, I don't suppose all that disassembling, cleaning, and reassembling is going to loosen the fit of those pins and sockets at all.  No need to worry, I'm sure H-D will make certain that only the most highly trained technicians are allowed to screw with this stuff.  Or maybe the wash boy, if no highly trained tech is available.


Jerry