Topic: New 110 Motor Question (Read 5008 times)

DESERTBEAR54 · « **on:** August 31, 2010, 11:56:42 AM »

On my new motor that I had put in my 2010 SEUC it is really running good with no pinging and is very strong. The only thing it does which is different then my 08 SEUC 110 is when the motor gets extremly hot when I come to a stop and put it in neutral I hear this loud clacking noise. It only does it when its hot outside and wont do it if it is cooler. Is this something of concern or should I just live with it?

LRebel · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2010, 12:15:22 PM »

How's the oil pressure at idle?

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2010, 02:10:43 PM »

LRebel,
OP is about 5-10psi. I am using Redline in Tranny and Primary. I have Amsoil 20/50 in the motor. I am thinking about using Redline 20/60 in the motor??? I think that clacking noise is Piston Slap when its really hot and the oil is really thin but I needed to hear some feedback.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2010, 04:29:17 PM »

Desertbear,

I recently had a ticking / clacking noise and thought it was piston slap turns out the horn was tapping one of the fins on the head

and dinnged it pretty good. Put in 2 spacers and it gave it enough room and stiffened it up that it no longer hits.

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2010, 05:15:36 PM »

Unbalanced, I wish it was something like that with the horn but it definitely is coming from the motor only when it get's real hot. Here in the Desert that happens allot!!

geezerglide · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2010, 06:39:36 PM »

Quote from: DESERTBEAR54 on August 31, 2010, 05:15:36 PM

Unbalanced, I wish it was something like that with the horn but it definitely is coming from the motor only when it get's real hot. Here in the Desert that happens allot!!

Does it also happen under load? Could it be Compensator Nut backing off?

geezerglide

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2010, 09:05:56 PM »

No it happens after riding and freeway time and get home and pull in the garage and put it in neutral. My oil temp is about 260 deg. Under a load it runs awesome but put it in neutral when its super hot it Clacks

FNGw/08SERK · « **Reply #7 on:** September 01, 2010, 01:46:16 PM »

Compensator or chain adjustment

Howie

Unbalanced · « **Reply #8 on:** September 01, 2010, 05:22:30 PM »

typically you will only hear the compensator in neutral. I would definitely have it checked as it could become a pretty big issue if it destroys the threads and such in the primary side. I would also make sure you have the Screaming Eagle Compensator in there if you don't already. Its worth the check.

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2010, 06:06:48 PM »

Its a 2010 SEUC and I believe I have the new compensator. This is a new motor and I have just 2000 miles on it.

Rooster · « **Reply #10 on:** September 02, 2010, 11:31:17 AM »

When my comp went bad I heard it howl as I was slowly going down my driveway in gear. But I have a loooong driveway.

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 02, 2010, 11:58:47 AM »

No howl in gear just Clacking when super hot and in neutral. Pull in the clutch and it quiets down. This reminds me somewhat of my original motor but my original motor would do this also plus I had allot of pinging and it was eating oil. This new motor is very strong and doesn't ping and isn't using oil at all but when it gets super hot it will clack in neutral. We have had a few days where it wasn't hot out less than 100 degrees and it wont clack at all. It just does it when its 103-110 outside. I guess I would Clack also if I got that Hot!!

HD Street Performance · « **Reply #12 on:** September 02, 2010, 12:04:26 PM »

There are reported issues with the SE compensator as well. Galling due to lube shortage.

SBB · « **Reply #13 on:** September 02, 2010, 12:15:02 PM »

Quote from: Deweysheads on September 02, 2010, 12:04:26 PM

There are reported issues with the SE compensator as well. Galling due to lube shortage.

Damn
Oh thanks Don.
That's just the news I wanted to hear. (read)
Lube shortage? More than standard fluid needed? Is there a fix or what?

SBB

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2010, 12:23:43 PM »

Don, I think your on to something here!! That is why my dealer shrugs it's shoulder to this clacking issue when super hot.

FNGw/08SERK · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2010, 12:25:43 PM »

Quote from: Deweysheads on September 02, 2010, 12:04:26 PM

There are reported issues with the SE compensator as well. Galling due to lube shortage.

Quote from: SBB on September 02, 2010, 12:15:02 PM

Damn
Oh thanks Don.
That's just the news I wanted to hear. (read)
Lube shortage? More than standard fluid needed? Is there a fix or what?

SBB

HD Street Performance · « **Reply #16 on:** September 02, 2010, 12:45:59 PM »

Nope
No oil gets into the journal between the main and rotating members. I believe they had intended the grooved washer to let oil in there. The journal and the spokes where the cam rides are galling. I've added oil grooves to the face of the sprocket next to the extension shaft to try and get more oil in there. Too few of miles to know if it helps or not.

Tabatha · « **Reply #17 on:** September 02, 2010, 02:44:32 PM »

I live in Reno--it gets hot here, but not like Az.--I had similiar problems with noise and I tend to agree that heavy oil is worth a try ! It quieted mine down. Seems like the cooler , the quieter; I added oil coolers for that reason , in addition to the heavy oil ! No more clacking noises !

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 02, 2010, 02:49:04 PM »

I have been using Amsoil 20/50 and was considering using Redline 20/60 to help quiet this issue down. My thought is that if the oil cant get into journal then I guess 20/60 wont get in there either.

grc · « **Reply #19 on:** September 02, 2010, 03:18:31 PM »

Quote from: DESERTBEAR54 on September 02, 2010, 02:49:04 PM

I have been using Amsoil 20/50 and was considering using Redline 20/60 to help quiet this issue down. My thought is that if the oil cant get into journal then I guess 20/60 wont get in there either.

The area Don is talking about is in the primary, so you can use the Redline 20w60 in the engine if you want without affecting the compensator. What lube are you using in the primary and the trans?

Jerry

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 02, 2010, 03:34:03 PM »

Silly Me!! Redline Tranny Shock Proof and Redline Primary Fluid.

grc · « **Reply #21 on:** September 02, 2010, 03:50:28 PM »

Well, you're using excellent products in all 3 holes so I don't think your problem is related to your choice of fluids.

I know you recently got a new engine, but if I remember correctly when H-D ships an engine in a crate to a dealer it doesn't include the primary components. Do you know if the primary bits and pieces were changed, or did they just reinstall the old parts? I'm working from memory here, and my memory tends to be poor, but I thought one of your original complaints before the engine change was a "clacking" noise at idle when hot.

Jerry

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2010, 03:59:02 PM »

Your memory is serving you well because on the other motor that was one of my issues was the clacking noise at idle and when I pull in the clutch it goes away. They probably just installed the new motor and installed new bearings in my tranny. Being that its a 2010 it should have the newer SE Compensator??

Boatman · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2010, 05:24:34 PM »

Quote from: DESERTBEAR54 on September 02, 2010, 03:59:02 PM

Being that its a 2010 it should have the newer SE Compensator??

2010 CVO bikes have it standard. Now for 2011, the regular bikes get it also.

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 02, 2010, 05:37:10 PM »

A good friend of mine that bought a 2010 103 limited also has the clacking noise when it gets hot. When he pulls the cluch in the clacking stops.

Tabatha · « **Reply #25 on:** September 02, 2010, 11:14:30 PM »

Quote from: DESERTBEAR54 on August 31, 2010, 11:56:42 AM

The only thing it does which is different then my 08 SEUC 110 is when the motor gets extremly hot when I come to a stop and put it in neutral I hear this loud clacking noise. It only does it when its hot outside and wont do it if it is cooler. Is this something of concern or should I just live with it?

This sound occurs when you put it in neutral---or----when you pull in the clutch----or do you hold the clutch in while in neutral ? If the heavier oil does not stop the noise, you may consider 1) engine too hot 2) oil pressure insufficient 3) a trip to your service dept.; with a new engine comes a new warranty and notice to the MoCo of a suspect problem goes a long way when the stuff hits the fan !

apartaapee · « **Reply #26 on:** September 03, 2010, 02:14:52 AM »

Quote from: Tabatha on September 02, 2010, 02:44:32 PM

I live in Reno--it gets hot here, but not like Az.--I had similiar problems with noise and I tend to agree that heavy oil is worth a try ! It quieted mine down. Seems like the cooler , the quieter; I added oil coolers for that reason , in addition to the heavy oil ! No more clacking noises !

Tabatha,

Could you please describe, what did you exactly do with your CVO FB? I have the same bike like you know. Which oil and what about the oil coolers?

Cheers,

ultrafxr · « **Reply #27 on:** September 03, 2010, 08:40:40 AM »

Quote from: Tabatha on September 02, 2010, 11:14:30 PM

This sound occurs when you put it in neutral---or----when you pull in the clutch----or do you hold the clutch in while in neutral ? If the heavier oil does not stop the noise, you may consider 1) engine too hot 2) oil pressure insufficient 3) a trip to your service dept.; with a new engine comes a new warranty and notice to the MoCo of a suspect problem goes a long way when the stuff hits the fan !

I don't think so. The bike is under a 2-year factory warranty and after the two years the moco is done. Unless you have an ESP or the moco in their infinite goodness decides to make some kind of warranty adjustment you are sol even if the new engine fails. After 2 years the moco does not have to and is not required to do anything at all.

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 03, 2010, 09:25:37 AM »

This Clacking sound happens after a nice long freeway ride at OAT of 105. Then when I pull in the garage and put it in neutral the Clacking begins. If I pull-in my clutch the Clacking goes away. If I release the clutch the Clacking comes back.

FNGw/08SERK · « **Reply #29 on:** September 03, 2010, 10:40:14 AM »

Quote from: DESERTBEAR54 on September 03, 2010, 09:25:37 AM

This Clacking sound happens after a nice long freeway ride at OAT of 105. Then when I pull in the garage and put it in neutral the Clacking begins. If I pull-in my clutch the Clacking goes away. If I release the clutch the Clacking comes back.

FWIW I had the same issue after the SE Comp was installed. Dealer told me the chain tensioner was about to make an adjustment ... go ride it. I thought I was being blown off. Left pizzzzed. Rode the bike noise went away

Same symptom - "clacking" at idle until clutch pulled in.

Just thought I'd toss it out there jic.

Howie

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #30 on:** September 03, 2010, 11:35:15 AM »

I just got off the phone with Tech Support about the Clacking noise I get in neutral when the bike is hot. I was informed that on my 2010 SEUC that I have the standard compensator and that in 2011 is when Harley installed the new SE Compensator stock in the CVO's and others. He told me it was normal and that it was not doing any damage when its Clacking. I guess I am at a loss for words and I will have to get used to the Clacking

SBB · « **Reply #31 on:** September 03, 2010, 12:35:10 PM »

Quote from: DESERTBEAR54 on September 03, 2010, 11:35:15 AM

I just got off the phone with Tech Support about the Clacking noise I get in neutral when the bike is hot. I was informed that on my 2010 SEUC that I have the standard compensator and that in 2011 is when Harley installed the new SE Compensator stock in the CVO's and others. He told me it was normal and that it was not doing any damage when its Clacking. I guess I am at a loss for words and I will have to get used to the Clacking

DB

What a bunch of idiots.
Glad I have a good dealer.
I don't even have the phone number to tech support.
After reading the above, I'm glad I don't.

SBB

grc · « **Reply #32 on:** September 03, 2010, 01:39:33 PM »

This "clacking" noise doesn't necessarily have anything at all to do with the compensator, btw. It could also be something in the clutch, or perhaps the gearbox. When you pull the clutch lever, any slack in the release rod/bearing/pressure plate is removed (shouldn't be any with a hydraulic clutch but with Harley who knows), and the input shaft of the trans is no longer being turned. But the primary chain is still running around, and the compensator is still compensating. Just a thought.

Jerry

DESERTBEAR54 · « **Reply #33 on:** September 03, 2010, 01:53:54 PM »

Jerry, That was a good post you made. My dealer has asked me too bring in BLUU to have a look at the Primary again but I'm still not over them having it for over a monthe when they installed new motor. I want to ride so in the future someday not to far off I will let them have it to take a look.

fatboi1959 · « **Reply #34 on:** September 03, 2010, 07:32:22 PM »

I also concur with the auto chain tensioner getting ready to go to the next tooth.

Tabatha · « **Reply #35 on:** September 04, 2010, 03:05:44 AM »

Quote from: ultrafxr on September 03, 2010, 08:40:40 AM

I don't think so. The bike is under a 2-year factory warranty and after the two years the moco is done. Unless you have an ESP or the moco in their infinite goodness decides to make some kind of warranty adjustment you are sol even if the new engine fails. After 2 years the moco does not have to and is not required to do anything at all.

You may want to check under Federal court rulings regarding timeliness of warranty claims.

Tabatha · « **Reply #36 on:** September 04, 2010, 03:16:02 AM »

Quote from: apartaapee on September 03, 2010, 02:14:52 AM

Tabatha,

Could you please describe, what did you exactly do with your CVO FB? I have the same bike like you know. Which oil and what about the oil coolers?

Cheers,

Your problem sounded just like mine until you said that it DID go away with the clutch depressed. Mine occured all the time,especially at idle. I use Mobil One 20/50 oil and two Jagg oil coolers---that does the trick for me but now Iam not so sure I have the cure for you !
.........Sorry

apartaapee · « **Reply #37 on:** September 04, 2010, 09:26:43 AM »

Quote from: Tabatha on September 04, 2010, 03:16:02 AM

Your problem sounded just like mine until you said that it DID go away with the clutch depressed. Mine occured all the time,especially at idle. I use Mobil One 20/50 oil and two Jagg oil coolers---that does the trick for me but now Iam not so sure I have the cure for you !
.........Sorry

Hmm... Tabatha, I haven't got yet any problems. Just asking to make sure that nothing won't happen in the future. Thanks for answering my question

-ap-

Author Topic: New 110 Motor Question (Read 5008 times)