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[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Don,

Very coy, for a sec I thought you may have missed the trolling guised as a referral, but then the cynisism came through..      

Otherwise known as 1711Tab...................king of the canyon-crashers................that has been removed from most all message boards except here............

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

So all happy customers, whether or not they understand with any degree of insight why they are happy, are now sources offered and suggested for others to base their own decisions on.  That's pretty f*^%#g lame. 

Pitch your work and explain why its good.  If that's not enough you really think what a light bulb guy says should make the difference?  Really?

Around here there are other non-motorcycle professionals whose insights we know to be worth heed.  Guys who have proved over time and repetitively they're worth a listen.  I'm sorry, but some light bulb guy who wrote a vendor a check hasn't yet earned that distinction.

Goodness gracious..............did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning??

[Twolanerider]

Goodness gracious..............did we wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning??

Don't have a wrong side of the bed.  Also don't have shill light bulb guy that's supposed to sound impressive until the crowd actually thinks twice.  I could rent one though.  But, oh, wait; using Barnum and Bailey tactics on what is treated as mostly a potential client base would be wrong... 

So of course I'd never....

Ah, screw it.  Moderators should pay as much attention to the vendors parading as friends as they do to the actual friends when they can't get along.  At least the latter isn't looking to get in your pocket.

[Shovelhead]

Curious citation there.  Why is the owner of a light bulb company now the go to source for recommendations on engine work?

A person's business and being a happy customer does not detract from their potential insight-fullness. A motorcycle guru will tell you they are the smartest person on the planet and can build you the best motorcycle to be had, but that means nothing until you speak to some of their customers.

I am not a mechanical engineer or a H-D technician, I am an oil & gas consultant, I don't know the first thing about design or engineering of a motorcycle transmission or gear-head speak involving one, but I have been riding for 37 years and I can tell you unequivocally that Baker is hands down the very best transmission I have ever run with an American V-twin and I can tell you why.  I used to run Andrews gear-sets  and they far surpassed factory gears. Anyway, a referral from a customer is always good.

[Twolanerider]

 Anyway, a referral from a customer is always good.

It may not be bad.  But a referral is not necessarily "good."  The customer has to have some gravitas to make the referral.  Otherwise there's no way to know whether the person involved is competent in his recommendation or just another guy who would never admit he spent his money poorly and justifies what he's done, even to himself, by lauding his own efforts.  It happens.

A client's praise will also carry more weight, at least with me, when he offers it himself.  When a vendor tries (unsuccessfully) to be subtle and slide in recommendations carrying the perception that they should somehow carry some weight for his own product... well....  that (again, at least to me) diminishes the "client recommendation" and makes it much closer to a paid commercial.

[Shovelhead]

I suppose I would make a determination based upon what the customer says, rather than said vendor's willingness to point out that said customer does not mind being contacted.

I still like "contact one of my customers & judge for yourself" vs. "pick me, choose me, I am the best"

[cvobiker]

Contact the owner of www.grandlight.com, and get his take on where to send the heads, and what cam he is running.
Scott

Scott,
Would've been much easier on you if you would have simply said,,, 'Contact Hillside, or send your heads to Hillside and we will set you up with a good running bike..  

[Unbalanced]

Otherwise known as 1711Tab...................king of the canyon-crashers................that has been removed from most all message boards except here............

Twolane "Don" do you also go by the name 1711Tab looks to me more like another /Swing and a miss       

[Twolanerider]

Twolane "Don" do you also go by the name 1711Tab looks to me more like another /Swing and a miss       

I thought 1711Tab was a 300 year old soda ?

I know it's good though.  Even though I haven't tried it.  The light bulb guy recommends it.

[cahdbiker]

Scott, does porting your heads improve bottom end power or is it really only effective when you get up into the higher RPM range. Just wondering. Again I appreciate all your imput into this site. I have learned alot from your posts. Thanks CAHDBIKER

That is a very common method.
Scott

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Twolane "Don" do you also go by the name 1711Tab looks to me more like another /Swing and a miss       

Hey pally-boy,
If we are swinging and missing so much, why have we been in business for almost 30 years??
You can tag-team me all you please, with you malicious remarks, if that gets your jollys.
Guess that would only be, that your leaving someone else alone..........

[HILLSIDECYCLE.COM]

Scott, does porting your heads improve bottom end power or is it really only effective when you get up into the higher RPM range. Just wondering. Again I appreciate all your imput into this site. I have learned alot from your posts. Thanks CAHDBIKER

The port work we perform with the OEM 2.080" intake, enhances from off idle to peak rpm.
The 2.120"er pushes things over to the right some.
They show great improvement from the .100" valve opening, to .650" lift.
Mid-lift numbers are very good as well, as the valve is in that area more than it is anywhere else, and we key on that to amplifiy the cylinder fill rate.
Scott

[Vagabond6542]

So all happy customers, whether or not they understand with any degree of insight why they are happy, are now sources offered and suggested for others to base their own decisions on.  That's pretty f*^%#g lame. 

Pitch your work and explain why its good.  If that's not enough you really think what a light bulb guy says should make the difference?  Really?

Around here there are other non-motorcycle professionals whose insights we know to be worth heed.  Guys who have proved over time and repetitively they're worth a listen.  I'm sorry, but some light bulb guy who wrote a vendor a check hasn't yet earned that distinction.

Twolanerider, Well said. You get my vote.

Vagabond

[grc]

Speaking of lightbulbs, where can I get a good deal on a case of 100 watt incandescents before the clowns in DC force me to use those crappy overrated Chinese CFL's with the mercury (trust me, it won't hurt you) and other hazardous crap inside?


Boy, folks sure seem to be getting pissy lately.  Rather than just rely on random targets of opportunity, how about if we set up a schedule on a calendar page so that each member gets a prescheduled turn in the barrel?  That way we can be sure to tune in on the days when those we don't like for whatever reason are "up".  I'll even offer to go first.

Let's see, so far this month we've run off two relatively new members, then had two guys I always thought were close friends go at it in a thread, and now we have folks lining up to beat up a regular contributor because he offered up a customer as a referral for his business.  WTF? 

btw, if anyone actually takes the word of only one source to decide where he plans to have work done, that person is a fool.  It doesn't matter if that referral comes from a guy in the lightbulb business or the guy who runs the race teams for Harley-Davidson, it's only one guys opinion.  That and $5 will get you a cup of whatever passes for coffee at Starbucks these days. 


Jerry

[smiley1049]

AMEN!