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[Lever]

sounds like your doing good ..and it appears the dealer is stepping up to the plate  keep us posted on the progress

[Dead_Reckoning]

Update
Bike is at dealer that did the install. They have acknowledged they must have made a mistake during assembly.
The service manager says he will make it right. Their plan is to flush everything, replace cam, bearings, cam plate and pump, new cam cover etc.
My concern is debris in the case and crank bearings and possibly to the top end. There was a couple chips in the oil pump but mgr says nothing of any significance in the oil pan. I appreciate them trying to satisfy me and I don't want to split the cases unnecessarily but I have major concerns about engine life now.

They said the would put in what ever cam I wanted because they know I was not happy with the noisy Zippers 575. They reccomend the SE 211. I was thinking the SE 255 but they say that is only for 2007 and newer. You can see what I have from my first post for upgrades. I ride two up most of the time and carry a good load with full tour pak leathers etc. I want a quiet cam and would not have a problem going back to the stock SE253 but it would kind of suck to go backwards.
Any input is greatly appreciated

I wouldn't trust them to change the oil at that HD Dealer.
One of the reasons I found a highly recommended local wrench to do the work.
Splitting The Case is Serious.


When I do my build this winter, I am going with Dave Mackie TC590 CAMs for my FLHRSEI2.
http://www.davemackie.com/cams.html

In fact I am going to do a DME  "Mega-Sphere" Package
http://www.davemackie.com/twincam.html

I have been reaearching this all winter long and asking lots of questions.
Visited 3 HD Dealers in Maine and 3 HD Dealers in NH. No warm and fuzzy feelings there and they all have their own agenda of what they want to sell yu.

Found a highly recommended local wrench in Maine and Mike will do my build.
He hates to have his customers return with complaints, so he does it right the first time.

Good Luck with the repairs\rebuild

[Unbalanced]

Dieselnut,

If htis is ofr your 2003 Roadking, on that year year bike .004 on the runout is beyond the HD spec for that motor.   In 2003 the runout spec was .003 before they replaced the crank.  Even if you were to put that crank back in personally I would not do it without either replacing the crank or having it out to one of the crank guys like Dark Horse, Rev Performance, T-Man or R&R.

good luck with the rebuild and make sure they clean out your oil cooler really well too.

[Diese1nut]

That is new information for me. Thank you. I don't you could get a new out of the box crank with less than .004 run out. Fortunately R&R is about 2 miles away.

[Rooster]

get it done right and you will have a smooooooth ride.

[glens]

I don't you could get a new out of the box crank with less than .004 run out.

Perhaps the numbers have been changed somewhat since my manual was published, but here are a couple tables from the '09 Touring service manual:

[sadunbar]

Perhaps the numbers have been changed somewhat since my manual was published, but here are a couple tables from the '09 Touring service manual:

The runout specs for cranks changed (I believe) in 2007 when the manufacturing process for cranks changed.  The new manufacturing process resulted in cranks that far exceeded the previous previous runout specs - hence the new "more generous" specs...

Back in '04, when the crank in question was new, .004 exceeded the published '04 specs...

[Diese1nut]

Went to dealer yesterday and motor is completely disassembled. I was pleased at the overall condition. Debris in the sump case was what I would call normal. No particles of metal that you could put your finger on. Just the usual dust type film you would get on a magnetic plug. The pistons looked new on the sides and carbon on the tops. No scoring on jugs. I could still see the cross hatching from the original honing.
Overall I am pleased. they did find the spline on the alternator rotor to be worn and will be replaced. The spacer on the transmission shaft had worked it's way in and the seal needs to be replaced. Other than that they are going to replace the main bearings and put it back together.
They hope to have it complete the end of next week. I couldn't ask for more that that.

[Unbalanced]

I really hope you mean by put it back together that they are going to replace or fix your crank.   Yes Scott (Sandubar is correct they changed the crank spec in 07) with the release of the case for the twin cam.   It went for those motors from .003 to .012.   

[Rooster]

I have an 07 and bought the service manuals when I bought the bike. My manual says max runout is .003 but the MOCO decided during the year up to .012 is acceptable I think to slow down engine replacements as the really bad ones started surfacing. I have yet to meet a mechanic that would even accept anything over .002 when building a motor themselves.

[grc]

I have an 07 and bought the service manuals when I bought the bike. My manual says max runout is .003 but the MOCO decided during the year up to .012 is acceptable I think to slow down engine replacements as the really bad ones started surfacing. I have yet to meet a mechanic that would even accept anything over .002 when building a motor themselves.

Yes indeed.  The "spec change" came about after all the early failures in 2007 got people worried so they started checking pinion shaft runout.  Harley would have found themselves replacing the majority of the junk they put out if they hadn't quickly increased the tolerance.  They did it in stages, btw.  I can't remember the exact number they originally went with, but the .012" thing came only after their first BS number still didn't make all those parts suddenly "good".

They made a big deal about how you had to allow a much larger tolerance if you measured the runout in the cases versus out of the engine on a test stand.  Funny, but that was never an issue with the previous crankshafts.  It's just a BS way to obfuscate the issue.  The oil pump and cam drive gear don't give a chit about how much runout that shaft has in a test stand, they only know what they see in the engine.  And .012" will rapidly wear out oil pumps and cam plates.


Jerry

[HD Street Performance]

Jerry (not to be confused with Gerry ) I like your posts and I even picked up a new word in that one.
Makes sense I agree. The aftermarket has done a good job for the most part of filling the gaps despite no factory help and a passive aggressive attitude to boot, IMHO

[Midnight Rider]

The question begs to be asked:  Since the new spec is now "official" HD spewing, would a pre '07 bike still be subject to the "old" spec?

[spydglide]

The question begs to be asked:  Since the new spec is now "official" HD spewing, would a pre '07 bike still be subject to the "old" spec?

And...will the MoCo now say it's ok to use synthetic oil in the older scoots now that they've got some of their brand on the shelf?  har.  spyder

[grc]

The question begs to be asked:  Since the new spec is now "official" HD spewing, would a pre '07 bike still be subject to the "old" spec?

Doesn't matter Terry.  Those bikes are long out of warranty, so Harley has no stake in them.  Don't forget, ESP repairs aren't paid for by Harley.  In fact, I assume they make a profit on all those repairs since they sell the parts at a profit to the repair shop that in turn sends the bill to the ESP company.  It's a win all around proposition for H-D, and just one more reason they don't really care about fixing the many design flaws and part quality concerns as long as the majority make it past two years before they fail.


Jerry