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[Dead_Reckoning]

"I realize $2,700 including a deep oil pan and oil cooler, labor and tuning isn't very much money. Its a package that I'm considering but I realize I have a thousand options for $2,700. The dealer wanted $2,300 for just cams, air cleaner and tuning. I have read so many horror stories about the 110 that it explains why he's selling it for $1,100 (parts)... "

Could you clear up just how your (dealer) gets you to "110" with the parts described  I'm assuming you have a stock 96,  with the "big bore" HD cylinders (kit),  you get to 103..........(The same cylinders that make an 88 into a 95).

Now,  to get 110 cylinders,  you gotta have the cases split and bored out to accept the larger jugs.  For the price quoted,  I see no where that this is planned,  nor do I see a "stroker" crank involved.

So please relate how it gets to 110.  

Exactly
lookin in the SE Cat, A Stroker Flywheel and rod assembly is around $750
Youcould alsospend another $259 - $400 for a Performance Clutch to hold that 110

And I have been told by more than one good wrench, splitting the case in not a great idea.

And how about the Throttle Body?

[Heatwave]

Here we go again.  Another thread where "simple" is going to turn into "major."  You'll all have him doing the bottom end, porting his heads, doing lifters and whatever else before he's all done when all he wants to do is spend $2700 to get a decent-running 110". LOL

And a supercharger!!

[sadunbar]

See if they will let you swap the cams out for the Fueling 574, andrews 54, or the new Kury cams, set the compression a bit higher than stock with the .030 head gasket and you'll have many miles ans smiles

Also I would not use the x-series thunder header on this built. It is too much pipe for a 110 with a cam. The standard Thunder Header, D&D Fatcat, or the Bassani would be better 2-1 choices

Great advice...  You need to go no further than this...   

[Yellow09SERG]

Just another opinion, but use your money for a 103 or cam and add a little compression to your 96. Long term it will work out best for you. I am looking at spending that $2700 your talking about plus some to get rid of the 110. Once you 110 your case your kind of stuck there. You will be far happier with the 103, but if you just have to have cubes do the 113 kit so  5 years from now when that's not enough....and in 5 years it will not be, you have the case left to do 117 or bigger.
Just my 2 cents.

[unchained]

"I realize $2,700 including a deep oil pan and oil cooler, labor and tuning isn't very much money. Its a package that I'm considering but I realize I have a thousand options for $2,700. The dealer wanted $2,300 for just cams, air cleaner and tuning. I have read so many horror stories about the 110 that it explains why he's selling it for $1,100 (parts)... "

Could you clear up just how your (dealer) gets you to "110" with the parts described   I'm assuming you have a stock 96,  with the "big bore" HD cylinders (kit),  you get to 103..........(The same cylinders that make an 88 into a 95).

Now,  to get 110 cylinders,  you gotta have the cases split and bored out to accept the larger jugs.  For the price quoted,  I see no where that this is planned,  nor do I see a "stroker" crank involved.

So please relate how it gets to 110.    

http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/mcy/3613487570.html

Not a HD dealer, Bad Pig Customs in metro Detroit. With no cooler and oil pan was $2,100 complete including a Power commander 3 (I believe) and tuned. I was leaning towards throwing a cooler on it for $300 but skipping the oil pan. It almost seems to good to be true for $2,100 hence why I'm on here asking for opinions...

[unchained]

See if they will let you swap the cams out for the Fueling 574, andrews 54, or the new Kury cams, set the compression a bit higher than stock with the .030 head gasket and you'll have many miles ans smiles

Also I would not use the x-series thunder header on this built. It is too much pipe for a 110 with a cam. The standard Thunder Header, D&D Fatcat, or the Bassani would be better 2-1 choices

I already bought the X series, will be here today. What is your experience with the X series vs. the original Thunderheader?

[moscooter]

 
OK,  I note in the write-up that they do have to bore out the cases as I said......."Kit includes all required gaskets (except primary cover and transmission interface gasket) and hardware to complete the installation. Installation requires case boring. "

That is a lot of labor and parts for the money,  if you have validated that they are a competent shop with a history of "happy" customers,  I'd say go for it.

[unchained]

OK,  I note in the write-up that they do have to bore out the cases as I said......."Kit includes all required gaskets (except primary cover and transmission interface gasket) and hardware to complete the installation. Installation requires case boring. "

That is a lot of labor and parts for the money,  if you have validated that they are a competent shop with a history of "happy" customers,  I'd say go for it.

I don't have references from prior work they have done honestly. It would be a gamble on my part...

[hd-dude]

I already bought the X series, will be here today. What is your experience with the X series vs. the original Thunderheader?

The x series is meant to be used on large bore engines, ie well built 117" and larger. It will not provide enough back pressure for a smaller engine.

[unchained]

The x series is meant to be used on large bore engines, ie well built 117" and larger. It will not provide enough back pressure for a smaller engine.

I was told its for the newer 96" on up engines. Too late anyhow, I already own one...

[unchained]

The x series is meant to be used on large bore engines, ie well built 117" and larger. It will not provide enough back pressure for a smaller engine.

Is this your observation from what you've read, personal experience, friend bought one then and removed it, talked to Thunderheader, etc?

[hd-dude]

I am a Thunder Header Dealer. When this pipe first came out we used them on the 120R and 124" motors they worked very well. The minimum they state you can use it on is a 110". By Nature the Thunder Header has a torque dip in the low RPM's and this is exaggerated with the x series as it has less back pressure than the standard Thunder Header.

You can use it and it will work, just not the pipe of choice for a stock 110" engine. You will be leaving lower end performance on the table.

http://www.thunderheader.net/1074x.htm

[unchained]

I am a Thunder Header Dealer. When this pipe first came out we used them on the 120R and 124" motors they worked very well. The minimum they state you can use it on is a 110". By Nature the Thunder Header has a torque dip in the low RPM's and this is exaggerated with the x series as it has less back pressure than the standard Thunder Header.

You can use it and it will work, just not the pipe of choice for a stock 110" engine. You will be leaving lower end performance on the table.

http://www.thunderheader.net/1074x.htm

That's great info, thank you. Kind of a big bummer since I officially own one now but it should still run better than my stock crossover set up Im running right now...

[Fatboy]

That's great info, thank you. Kind of a big bummer since I officially own one now but it should still run better than my stock crossover set up Im running right now...

Maybe not....the stock "catless header" is actually pretty efficient.

[unchained]

Maybe not....the stock "catless header" is actually pretty efficient.

I'll take my chances I guess. The stock half ass dual/2 into 1 header is coming off for a TH x series. Wish me luck at this point...