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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2006, 02:01:12 PM »
If the exhaust valve or inlet valve is disconnected, you will get a DTC error.
There are two ways to get rid of the DTC:
1) Keep the exhaust valve cable connected to the motor but take the wire from the valve and open the valve manually. Use a resistor instead of the valve for the inlet valve
2) Use resistors instead of both valves.

The best wau to have a good map is by using Racetuner or DirectLink.
www.tpp-europe.com/software.html
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2006, 06:19:59 PM »
I agree with your remarks concerning the DTC error. :)
It means that it's necessary to measure the internal resistor of each electrical motor and to close the unplugged wiring with the equivalent resistor.
It's not very difficult. :)

Concerning DirectLink, it's the Hyperlink for the European distributor ( You, is'nt it ?) [smiley=confused5.gif]
And the price is 795 + 268 in Euros ! =  1063 euros without taxes !!!! and 928 $US in the States (California CycleWorks).
I've seen this product on the american sites, It seems very adaptative but the price.... >:(
One SERT is approximatly 400 $US, it's less expensive. 8-)

Wait and see the other advises before to decide. :-/

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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2006, 04:29:22 AM »
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I agree with your remarks concerning the DTC error. :)
It means that it's necessary to measure the internal resistor of each electrical motor and to close the unplugged wiring with the equivalent resistor.
It's not very difficult. :)

Concerning DirectLink, it's the Hyperlink for the European distributor ( You, is'nt it ?) [smiley=confused5.gif]
And the price is 795 + 268 in Euros ! =
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2006, 04:46:41 AM »
Bisounours,
You are right, just for one bike DL is expensive. But it is more a dealer software (or for a group of riders with technical experience).
BTW Racetuner is costing between 700 and 800 euro's over here. Due to taxes, freight etc etc. That means DL becomes cheaper already when remapping two bikes. That's why we are now promoting it to dealers.
HD doesn't give very much backup for the racetuner, we can do better.
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2006, 05:22:16 AM »
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Bisounours,
You are right, just for one bike DL is expensive. But it is more a dealer software (or for a group of riders with technical experience).
BTW Racetuner is costing between 700 and 800 euro's over here. Due to taxes, freight etc etc. That means DL becomes cheaper already when remapping two bikes. That's why we are now promoting it to dealers.
HD doesn't give very much backup for the racetuner, we can do better.

Your remark is right, but I buy in the States by internet and I ask the sending by USPS.
Today, the taxes are never asked. It's not same with UPS or DHL : With these compagnies, they ask each time the payement of the taxes.
It means that I buy with the US price, with an interresting exchange rate and without taxes. Result : half european prices, shipping include.

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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2006, 05:30:35 AM »
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[highlight]It's very difficult to make changes on a 2007 and everithings verry expensive
it was a nice and easy time with evos[/highlight]

Sure, it was another time where it was more easy to adjust oneself. :)
But it's the evolution of our society, less noise, less emisssions and less liberty...
Now we pay. Ride is a little part of freedom but with many rules.
With our new bikes we make a little resistance but for how long ? [smiley=confused5.gif]
Perhaps, it's time to go back in the right way... [smiley=oops.gif]

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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2006, 06:55:11 AM »
Jacques,
As a company we can not take the chance of a lost shipment by USPS. Too much money involved in one shipment. Another thing: it can take up to 45-60 days to get things by usps, if the local customs keep it in house for a long time. We experienced this a few times. Therefor we only use UPS, DHL or EMS.
Also we try to charge US prices + freight. We know a lot of people will otherwise buy via the internet.
The USD-Euro conversion is another 'problem'. Dealers don't like it that prices go up and down. So we need to have fixed prices for some time. At the moment we for example compensate this to give free extensive instructions to the dealer on our own dyno.

Dogols, sorry to hijack your post.
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2006, 07:29:41 AM »

[highlight]Dogols, sorry to hijack your post.[/highlight]


no problem
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2006, 10:48:16 AM »
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2006, 02:48:10 PM »
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whats the different

i change the exaust and the Airfilter Backplate from german to US

must i change software and where i get that

The easy way that I intend to use is to use an SE filter, True Duals, and replace the ECU with the Thundermax + O
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« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2006, 04:24:25 PM »
Eqcons,

It seems to be one right way but how you manage the active intake and exhaust ? [smiley=confused5.gif]
If we disconnect the soleno
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2006, 04:40:22 PM »
Eqcons,

[highlight]If the exhaust valve or inlet valve is disconnected, you will get a DTC error.
There are two ways to get rid of the DTC:
1) Keep the exhaust valve cable connected to the motor but take the wire from the valve and open the valve manually. Use a resistor instead of the valve for the inlet valve
2) Use resistors instead of both valves. [/highlight] (HDMonsterTorque)

We need eliminators (based on resistors) for the valves.
We will wait the building of these by ThunderMax same than the O2 kit.

Regards
Jacques
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2006, 05:04:28 PM »
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Eqcons,

[highlight]If the exhaust valve or inlet valve is disconnected, you will get a DTC error.
There are two ways to get rid of the DTC:
1) Keep the exhaust valve cable connected to the motor but take the wire from the valve and open the valve manually. Use a resistor instead of the valve for the inlet valve
2) Use resistors instead of both valves. [/highlight] (HDMonsterTorque)

We need eliminators (based on resistors) for the valves.
We will wait the building of these by ThunderMax same than the O2 kit.

Regards
Jacques

B. You seem to be closer to answers. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] If you think the PCIII will work better (warranty), let me know if you need me to check anything here for you. Hoist!
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2006, 12:16:31 PM »
as far as i know HDI-bikes have all (also no CVO) catalyst mufflers and a active intake/exhaust system controled by the ecm. If you upload a SE race tuner map to the ecm of a HDI-bike the active intake/exhaust stops working. I will try the DTT TCFI2D. Not even cheap but a good system using wide band O2-sensors which keep the AFR exact where the bike needs it (maybe a little bit richer ;) ) I try to use the units programmable user output to control the active exhaust system.

Best regards from Germany
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« Last Edit: December 17, 2006, 12:25:41 PM by luka »
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Re: US Modell - German Modell
« Reply #29 on: December 17, 2006, 02:22:10 PM »
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as far as i know HDI-bikes have all (also no CVO) catalyst mufflers and a active intake/exhaust system controled by the ecm. [highlight]If you upload a SE race tuner map to the ecm of a HDI-bike the active intake/exhaust stops working.[/highlight] I will try the DTT TCFI2D. Not even cheap but a good system using wide band O2-sensors which keep the AFR exact where the bike needs it (maybe a little bit richer ;) ) I try to use the units programmable user output to control the active exhaust system.

Best regards from Germany
luka

Hi Luka - is this piece of information definitely correct. It seems weird that the MoCo would bring out their own race tuner that didn't allow the active intake/exhaust to keep working.

If it is then I think I need a re-think and I don't really want to think about that !

 :o :'(

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