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[110tHunDer]

 
Gonna see what a Stage 1 A/C with K&N filter along with a custom Race Tuner map can gain me on the SERG.  If I can get the TQ around 90 ft./lbs. I'll be happy.  She's only got a measly 76.6 right now.   Gear drive cams are on the agenda for next winter, if not.

More in a week or 2.

14 degrees morning . . . almost too cold to jack with loading the bike in the trailer, let alone ride.

[Twolanerider]

Gonna see what a Stage 1 A/C with K&N filter along with a custom Race Tuner map can gain me on the SERG.  If I can get the TQ around 90 ft./lbs. I'll be happy.  She's only got a measly 76.6 right now.   Gear drive cams are on the agenda for next winter, if not.

More in a week or 2.

14 degrees morning . . . almost too cold to jack with loading the bike in the trailer, let alone ride.

76.6?  Do you, like, have to remove the tour pak to get started rolling ?

[110tHunDer]

76.6?  Do you, like, have to remove the tour pak to get started rolling ?

Well, you don't see the tour pak on there in that picture, do you?!?

This is the dyno sheet I got in the paperwork with the bike :

[Twolanerider]

Well, you don't see the tour pak on there in that picture, do you?!?

This is the dyno sheet I got in the paperwork with the bike :

Damn Brian, that's just sad man.  I fart bigger than that bro.  Get her on in the shop right away.

[110tHunDer]

Damn Brian, that's just sad man.  I fart bigger than that bro.  Get her on in the shop right away.

Already there.

[Twolanerider]

Already there.

Realistically what improvement do you expect with the air kit and stock pipes Brian?  I've never played with the stroker 95s enough to have a handle on what the expectation might be.

[SBB]

I'm at the office but was thinking the SERG was 72 HP and 90 T before I had it tuned.
I will get the sheet and verify.
Those #'s are sounding a little low Brian.
But then again my #'s above were with the ProPipe and S/E breather and just the Stage 1 download.
I wasn't satisfied with those #'s and was very pleased after the dyno tune.

 

[110tHunDer]

 

Realistically what improvement do you expect with the air kit and stock pipes Brian?  I've never played with the stroker 95s enough to have a handle on what the expectation might be.

I'm committed to keeping the stock (quiet) muffs on there.  I know I could gain more with changing pipes or even just changing the baffles in the stock muffs like Scooter did, but I've decided to leave as-is.  There is more restriction at the air intake than at the mufflers on these bikes, anyway, so opening that up should give some good bang for the buck, but still give me a stock look.  I'm hoping to add 10 ft./lbs. of TQ staying with the stock head pipes and muffs, possibly a wee bit more.  We'll see.

[Twolanerider]

I'm committed to keeping the stock (quiet) muffs on there.  I know I could gain more with changing pipes or even just changing the baffles in the stock muffs like Scooter did, but I've decided to leave as-is.  There is more restriction at the air intake than at the mufflers on these bikes, anyway, so opening that up should give some good bang for the buck, but still give me a stock look.  I'm hoping to add 10 ft./lbs. of TQ staying with the stock head pipes and muffs, possibly a wee bit more.  We'll see.

Good luck on getting a nice kick in the seat for relatively minimal investment.  Will look forward to seeing the results .

[110tHunDer]

I'm at the office but was thinking the SERG was 72 HP and 90 T before I had it tuned.
I will get the sheet and verify.
Those #'s are sounding a little low Brian.
But then again my #'s above were with the ProPipe and S/E breather and just the Stage 1 download.
I wasn't satisfied with those #'s and was very pleased after the dyno tune.

 

Chip, this bike is bone stock with zero mods.  The difference between our numbers sounds about right for the things that had been done to yours.  I'm hoping to get close to 90 TQ with the air cleaner and custom map.  That should give the bike some decent snort for the way I'll use it.

[SBB]

I'm home now and looking at the original dyno sheet.
As I got the bike with the download, the ProPipe and the S/E breather the numbers were,
76.17 H/P and 91.89 Torque. This was with no tune.

I have attached the dyno sheet after the tune.
It is now at 105.18 T and 91.2 H/P
It runs great now but it's going back Monday to the tuner because of the dip at the bottom.
I had to get a different baffle for the ProPipe. The one that came in it was the competition baffle.
The concensus is that I will lose a little torque at the top but get rid of the torque dip at the bottom and gain there.

 

[110tHunDer]

 
A/F ratio bounces around quite a bit.  Hopefully, they will be able to smooth it out and take care of the dip without taking away your peak numbers.

I learned from talking to the service manager at the dealer here where I took my bike, there are definitely some tricks to the MM fuel injection.  They seem to know what they are (the tricks), so I've got my fingers crossed for some good results.  Driveability of the bike was excellent, so I hope not to loose that and just pick up some HP & TQ.

[SBB]

A/F ration bounces around quite a bit.  Hopefully, they will be able to smooth it out and take care of the dip without taking away your peak numbers.

I learned from talking to the service manager at the dealer here where I took my bike, there are definitely some tricks to the MM fuel injection.  They seem to know what they are (the tricks), so I've got my fingers crossed for some good results.  Driveability of the bike was excellent, so I hope not to loose that and just pick up some HP & TQ.

I agree, the A/F looks like a roller coaster.
My tuner said it was fine till I got the new baffle and then he would smooth it out.
Good luck on yours!

 

[Talon]

I haven't seen any proof, but I've been told by a couple of people that those fish tails cause wired thing to happen the the exhaust pules, and makes it hard to get the tune exactly right.

[SBB]

Chip, this bike is bone stock with zero mods.  The difference between our numbers sounds about right for the things that had been done to yours.  I'm hoping to get close to 90 TQ with the air cleaner and custom map.  That should give the bike some decent snort for the way I'll use it.

I would think with a good breather and excellent tune, 70/90 is a reachable goal!

 

[Fired00d]

Gonna see what a Stage 1 A/C with K&N filter along with a custom Race Tuner map can gain me on the SERG.  If I can get the TQ around 90 ft./lbs. I'll be happy.  She's only got a measly 76.6 right now.   Gear drive cams are on the agenda for next winter, if not.

More in a week or 2.

14 degrees morning . . . almost too cold to jack with loading the bike in the trailer, let alone ride.

There went my stock B/O SERG.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[REGGAB]

Realistically what improvement do you expect with the air kit and stock pipes Brian?  I've never played with the stroker 95s enough to have a handle on what the expectation might be.

Hmmm.  First I've heard of that.  Never knew the 95" was stroked.   

[110tHunDer]

Hmmm.  First I've heard of that.  Never knew the 95" was stroked.   

LOL, I did not catch that.  He must still be drunk from last night.  I know he knows they're not stroked, but we can have some fun with this!

[110tHunDer]

There went my stock B/O SERG.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Huh?   Cams won't change the way it fits the template.

[Twolanerider]

LOL, I did not catch that.  He must still be drunk from last night.  I know he knows they're not stroked, but we can have some fun with this!

Brain dicombobulation.  At the time I was thinking stroked like "petted."  Since the bike was getting some special attention.  But it does sound stupid when you just read it .

[RobertinArgyle]

Hey Brian-  What cam choices are you considering?  I have the same bike with the SE AC, Stage 1 download, PC3, and a SuperTrapp SuperMeg 2:1.  I am thinking about converting to gear drive to solve the cam chain tensioner problem.  I think I will leave the rest of the motor stock for several reasons.  I haven't seen much discussion on any board re a cam only install for this configuration.

[110tHunDer]

 
Robert, hd-dude recommended the following:

Wood Cams W6
S&S 510
Andrews 26G or 37G

I was also told by Spiderman that Dave Mackie might be able to come up with a custom grind for the application.  So, there are probably a near infinite number of possibilities.  I'll go to the gear drive within the next year or two on it (somewhere around 20,000 miles) just to get away from the tensioners, but like you, will leave the rest stock.  In the end, I'll probably go with something that I'm familiar with and has a proven reputation, such as the S&S or Andrews and call it a day.

[RobertinArgyle]

Thanks for the info.  I'm a little surprised he would recommend the W6 or the 37G with stock heads but what do I know?!  Will you upgrade the oil pump and cam plate at that time?

[miker]

Robert, hd-dude recommended the following:

Wood Cams W6
S&S 510
Andrews 26G or 37G

I was also told by Spiderman that Dave Mackie might be able to come up with a custom grind for the application.  So, there are probably a near infinite number of possibilities.  I'll go to the gear drive within the next year or two on it (somewhere around 20,000 miles) just to get away from the tensioners, but like you, will leave the rest stock.  In the end, I'll probably go with something that I'm familiar with and has a proven reputation, such as the S&S or Andrews and call it a day.

I reccommend quitting on the whole thing and selling it to me!   

[110tHunDer]

Thanks for the info.  I'm a little surprised he would recommend the W6 or the 37G with stock heads but what do I know?!  Will you upgrade the oil pump and cam plate at that time?

I'm sure if he sees the post, he'll comment.  Yes, I will do Feuling oil pump (and lifters) at that time.  As for the cam plate, I would just go to S&S gear drive on the stock plate, same as I did on my SEEG.

[110tHunDer]

I reccommend quitting on the whole thing and selling it to me!   

LOL, already have more $$$$s in it than I could get out of it, so why quit now?

[Talon]

LOL, already have more $$$$s in it than I could get out of it, so why quit now?

Like marrage, cheaper to keep her!

[110tHunDer]

 
Got the bike back tonight and promptly headed out in the 40 degree weather on it to go back to work for a few hours.  Dyno results are here: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=21497.msg345092#msg345092.  The bike runs great!  Hot idle could probably stand to be dropped some, but I'll ride it awhile into the warmer weather to see what it acts like.  Never did drop below 1,200 tonight.  Probably put 25 miles is all on it tonight, but did not experience any flat spots or driveablility issues and the upper mid-range (2,800 - 4,500 rpm, or so) is MUCH improved according to the butt dyno!   Bike really pulls fairly well right past 5,000 rpm where before it totally ran out of grunt.

A Race Tuner and 5 hours of dyno time was not cheap, but so far, results seem to be worthwhile.  The bike should be a lot more fun to ride now that it can finally take a deep breath!

[rednectum]

Got the bike back tonight and promptly headed out in the 40 degree weather on it to go back to work for a few hours.  Dyno results are here: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=21497.msg345092#msg345092.  The bike runs great!  Hot idle could probably stand to be dropped some, but I'll ride it awhile into the warmer weather to see what it acts like.  Never did drop below 1,200 tonight.  Probably put 25 miles is all on it tonight, but did not experience any flat spots or driveablility issues and the upper mid-range (2,800 - 4,500 rpm, or so) is MUCH improved according to the butt dyno!   Bike really pulls fairly well right past 5,000 rpm where before it totally ran out of grunt.

A Race Tuner and 5 hours of dyno time was not cheap, but so far, results seem to be worthwhile.  The bike should be a lot more fun to ride now that it can finally take a deep breath!

congrats. look at the hp jump after the fat tune was corrected! the pipes arent giving issues yet with a jump like that.  now for the woods 6 and headwork?

[hd-dude]

I'm sure if he sees the post, he'll comment.  Yes, I will do Feuling oil pump (and lifters) at that time.  As for the cam plate, I would just go to S&S gear drive on the stock plate, same as I did on my SEEG.

Brian;
The W6 and the 37 are both bolt in cams. No head work or larger springs are required. I would not use the 37 with stock compression, it likes the compression to be bumped up a bit. A .030 head gasket will take care of that if your pulling the heads.

Right now the top choice in my opinion for the 95 or 88" motors for the bolt in is the W6 I have done several of these recently (even one in an 08 103) and the results are impressive.

For the cam plate and pump the best bang for the buck is the new SE cam plate and pump combo, 429 retail. It uses the 07-up pump and a billet cam plate. Works as good as the Feuling......