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Paint protection coating
« on: January 01, 2017, 09:37:55 PM »

Considering having a protective paint coating applied to the bike, curious if anyone has done so and if so if they are or were happy with the results. I've been researching different products from
autogeek.com and some can be applied fairly easy and some recommend professional application and claim to eliminate swirl marks, scratches, chips etc.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2017, 10:35:54 PM »

Just did the Pinnacle Black Label Ceramic coating from Auto Geek a few weeks ago and I love it. My son bought his first car by himself yesterday and that was the first thing he had done to it. Feels like there a a clear coat of plastic over the paint now. I use the Black Label detail cleaner (quick detailer) and its amazing how easy the bugs/etc come off now. For that reason alone I couldn't recommend higher. Just need to be very careful applying the ceramic coating as whatever is under it (smudges, etc) it will be there forever after coating. I had a couple of very small scratches that are now there forever and though you really can't see them unless you now the are there, they drive me crazy. I did the paint, shield, chrome, wheels, everything but the tires and seat.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2017, 05:52:26 PM »

Pinnacle is great stuff, lasts along time, but is not permanent. It is a hand applied coating, not a sprayed on finish. If you have a scratch prior to application and you notice it after applying the ceramic coat just remove the coating in that area and repair or touch-up the scratch, let repair area cure and then reapply the ceramic coating.
Been using for several years, it does produce remarkable shine, can be duplicated with Pure carnuba, but will last Alot longer than carnuba and SO much easier to apply. The only downside is cost, make sure you apply carefully and do not waste it, more is not better.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2017, 07:06:14 PM »


As long as you understand that the claims made for such products are highly exaggerated and the price is highly inflated, and you don't mind those things, then go for it.  But there is no product on the market, and never has been, that actually does all those magical things they claim.  There have been companies promoting various offerings like this for at least the past forty years, and the only changes appear to be the latest buzz word ingredients claimed, like ceramic.  That was preceded by glass, and way back when I was young and tried the hot product it was catalyzed silicones.  The product did give a nice shine and did last a little longer than a plain carnauba wax job, but all the other claims made were BS.

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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2017, 10:12:16 PM »

As long as you understand that the claims made for such products are highly exaggerated and the price is highly inflated, and you don't mind those things, then go for it.  But there is no product on the market, and never has been, that actually does all those magical things they claim.  There have been companies promoting various offerings like this for at least the past forty years, and the only changes appear to be the latest buzz word ingredients claimed, like ceramic.  That was preceded by glass, and way back when I was young and tried the hot product it was catalyzed silicones.  The product did give a nice shine and did last a little longer than a plain carnauba wax job, but all the other claims made were BS.

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I completely agree with what you are saying as far as protecting the paint or it lasting for years. I base what I like by what I see after applying, ease of cleaning after rides and simple feel to the back of my fingers and how long it feels that way. I have had experience on the business side with the various "snake oils" of products over the years though you got me with the "catalyzed silicones", most were a very cheap wax with a sub par insurance policy attached. There is no "free lunch" and whatever product you pick will always have to be re applied but I do think the Pinnacle Black Label product is the best I personally have seen yet
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2017, 05:51:01 PM »

Thanks for the replies, I am what some would say anal when it comes to the condition of mine and my wife's bikes. They are always kept maticulicely clean and waxed regularly, the reason for considering this is for ease of cleaning and hopefully to reduce scratches and/or swirl marks. I do however understand that there are no guarantees and that the statements made by the products are taken with a grain of salt.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2017, 09:05:47 PM »

I did Ceramic Pro on mine. Now I can easily wipe it down with a paper towel and windex.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2017, 07:41:45 PM »

Not to beat a dead horse, but Windex has chlorine, chlorine is bad for almost everything in life, especially paint. Your "ceramic" coating is pretty good stuff, but I promise it is not chlorine impervious.
In an earlier life the plant I worked for split raw feed and made chlorine and blended tank cars full of Windex raw stock, for your bike there are so many paint friendly products out there that using a chlorine base is just not a good idea.
If you insist on using a glass cleaner to clean your bike (not sure why) but if you do, try Stoner's Invisible Glass. Much safer. Realisticly though get a detailer made for this job from Mothers, Meguairs etc.
I know alot of folks disagree but then we all have opinions.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2017, 05:09:15 PM »

Not to beat a dead horse, but Windex has chlorine, chlorine is bad for almost everything in life, especially paint. Your "ceramic" coating is pretty good stuff, but I promise it is not chlorine impervious.
In an earlier life the plant I worked for split raw feed and made chlorine and blended tank cars full of Windex raw stock, for your bike there are so many paint friendly products out there that using a chlorine base is just not a good idea.
If you insist on using a glass cleaner to clean your bike (not sure why) but if you do, try Stoner's Invisible Glass. Much safer. Realisticly though get a detailer made for this job from Mothers, Meguairs etc.
I know alot of folks disagree but then we all have opinions.

I thought that Windex had ammonia in it as its active ingredient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windex

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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2017, 08:48:14 PM »

Decided on McKee paint coating, did the application today and so far am very happy with the results.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2017, 10:21:27 PM »

Is this the same as the Glaze product from another post? I know Adam's Polish just came out with a ceramic coating as well.

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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2017, 11:00:57 AM »

Sorry not familiar with the Glaze product, it is a "ceramic coating" so I am certain they are all some what similar. I chose the McPhee product because of their statement of ease of application, after applying I can say that it was quite simple as long as you do not allow it to settle and dry you'll be fine.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2017, 09:17:57 PM »

Sorry not familiar with the Glaze product, it is a "ceramic coating" so I am certain they are all some what similar. I chose the McPhee product because of their statement of ease of application, after applying I can say that it was quite simple as long as you do not allow it to settle and dry you'll be fine.
Sorry, Glare, not glaze.

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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2017, 11:27:25 PM »

Glare and ceramic coating (multiple manufactures) not the same product. will be many opinions which is better
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2017, 10:34:14 PM »

Used Zaino when I was younger and have been using Adam's for about 10 years now.  I have not used the new ceramic but have always used their paint sealant and have never had an issue, granted I have so many coats of Polish, wax, glaze and sealant on the bikes, not sure how it could be scratched. :huepfenlol2:

I love how car/bike dealers sell you a similar product through F&I for 500-1200 bucks....
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2017, 07:44:46 AM »

Will this product protect my rear fender if I put a pillion pad back on? I changed to a solo seat but I'm planning on a trip and will put my stock seat with pad on so I can carry a travel bag on my rear fender. Need something to protect the paint for a three day trip; afterwards I'll put my solo seat back on.
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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2017, 09:31:19 AM »

Will this product protect my rear fender if I put a pillion pad back on? I changed to a solo seat but I'm planning on a trip and will put my stock seat with pad on so I can carry a travel bag on my rear fender. Need something to protect the paint for a three day trip; afterwards I'll put my solo seat back on.

No.  The subject of this thread is similar to a wax job, and no wax job, no matter what the claimed ingredients might be, is going to protect against rubbing from a pillion or anything else.  What you need is one of the thick clear protective films often used to protect saddlebag lids, fairings, etc.

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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2017, 10:32:14 AM »

No.  The subject of this thread is similar to a wax job, and no wax job, no matter what the claimed ingredients might be, is going to protect against rubbing from a pillion or anything else.  What you need is one of the thick clear protective films often used to protect saddlebag lids, fairings, etc.

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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2017, 04:55:58 AM »

Will this product protect my rear fender if I put a pillion pad back on? I changed to a solo seat but I'm planning on a trip and will put my stock seat with pad on so I can carry a travel bag on my rear fender. Need something to protect the paint for a three day trip; afterwards I'll put my solo seat back on.

I used to switch back and forth between solo and then adding a pillion for whenever I had a passenger on a Road King that I used to have.  As the others have said, go online and search for the clear plastic film.  There was a clear plastic film that I got off of the net.  You just cut it to the size you want and put it on.  Peels off and you can use it over and over.  I can't remember the name of it and it came in a couple of big sheets.  I put this under the pillion when I had it on.  I would also put a mouse pad under the pillion.  Worked for me.
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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2017, 02:24:36 PM »

Seen this... Very interesting.

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2017, 08:50:04 AM »

Thanks for the replies, I am what some would say anal when it comes to the condition of mine and my wife's bikes. They are always kept maticulicely clean and waxed regularly, the reason for considering this is for ease of cleaning and hopefully to reduce scratches and/or swirl marks. I do however understand that there are no guarantees and that the statements made by the products are taken with a grain of salt.

I don't look in this category often, quite honestly, I don't understand the idea of keeping your bike immaculate. So, I clean it and wax it and shine the rims and tires. She looks awesome in my garage or driveway, but then I take her 4 miles to a bike night or a beer and......She is dirty again!!!

I am of the opinion that life is too stressful and too busy and too short to stress over how clean my bike is. I am fortunate to put 5,000 to 8,000 miles a year on my bike. I take the bags and side covers off once a month to get the hidden grit and I wipe her down if I get caught in rain or rode many miles, but my bike is my Yoga (sold that one to the wife years ago so she knows why I need to ride weekly) I am not about to let water marks or grime ruin my chi  :P
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« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2017, 10:43:19 PM »

I don't look in this category often, quite honestly, I don't understand the idea of keeping your bike immaculate. So, I clean it and wax it and shine the rims and tires. She looks awesome in my garage or driveway, but then I take her 4 miles to a bike night or a beer and......She is dirty again!!!

I am of the opinion that life is too stressful and too busy and too short to stress over how clean my bike is. I am fortunate to put 5,000 to 8,000 miles a year on my bike. I take the bags and side covers off once a month to get the hidden grit and I wipe her down if I get caught in rain or rode many miles, but my bike is my Yoga (sold that one to the wife years ago so she knows why I need to ride weekly) I am not about to let water marks or grime ruin my chi  :P
Understand your outlook totally. As for me I enjoy the process of cleaning and polishing to the ultimate shine I can achieve and whatever product helps me achieve that satisfaction I'm all in. You probably don't believe in making your bed everyday either, huh? Lol!!


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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2017, 07:13:47 AM »

Understand your outlook totally. As for me I enjoy the process of cleaning and polishing to the ultimate shine I can achieve and whatever product helps me achieve that satisfaction I'm all in. You probably don't believe in making your bed everyday either, huh? Lol!!


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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2017, 12:51:25 PM »

The wife makes the bed. I just cant talk her into waxing the bike yet. Lol



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Re: Paint protection coating
« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2017, 08:25:32 PM »

Will this product protect my rear fender if I put a pillion pad back on? I changed to a solo seat but I'm planning on a trip and will put my stock seat with pad on so I can carry a travel bag on my rear fender. Need something to protect the paint for a three day trip; afterwards I'll put my solo seat back on.

I use a small section of 3m clear where the pillion will touch the fender and then remove after a trip.
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