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Title: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on April 22, 2019, 09:29:00 PM
Well, with only four months to go I am once again hoping to see something that will make me want to move from my 2011 SESG.

Chrome, creative paint, reliability (engine) and a reduced price......Probably a dream.....

Should know in about 4 months.


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Post by: Twolanerider on April 22, 2019, 10:12:25 PM
Servicar!!
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Post by: muddypaws on April 23, 2019, 07:24:56 AM
Price increase....
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Post by: ultrarider123 on April 23, 2019, 07:33:15 AM
Price increase....

That's more of a fact than a thought, idea or rumor.... :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: scottt on April 23, 2019, 08:12:19 AM
long overdue frame and suspension upgrade for the touring line.

The big news: Harley will offer black bikes with a black frame! A cost upgrade of course.

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Post by: Ghost Rider on April 23, 2019, 01:22:30 PM
Increased amps in the infotainment system, but no increase in HP, or torque.
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Post by: iski on April 23, 2019, 01:37:23 PM
Color matched tires.  Green bikes get green tires, red bikes get red tires, blue bikes get blue tires.......

And electric kick stands. 
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Post by: mark on April 23, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
For the CVOs: Less exotic (and less costly to produce) paint schemes will continue.  The chrome-monster CVOs of the past will not reappear in 2020...the blacked out theme will continue (which is also less costly to produce).  No new bikes introduced.  Maybe a "new" Sportster or Softail...offering some cosmetic changes, i.e., different headlight, exhaust, wheels.  May see a less costly - basic no-frills Softail or Sportster (like the new no-frills tourer).         
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Post by: harleychef2011 on April 23, 2019, 07:23:51 PM
For the CVOs: Less exotic (and less costly to produce) paint schemes will continue.  The chrome-monster CVOs of the past will not reappear in 2020...the blacked out theme will continue (which is also less costly to produce).  No new bikes introduced.  Maybe a "new" Sportster or Softail...offering some cosmetic changes, i.e., different headlight, exhaust, wheels.  May see a less costly - basic no-frills Softail or Sportster (like the new no-frills tourer).       

Totally concur.  They will appeal to the younger crowd with the paint schemes and the perceived "custom" looks.  That being said, I'm REALLLLLLYYYYY hoping they put out a CVO Road King this year!  :)
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Post by: smkymtnboy on April 23, 2019, 09:14:24 PM
 thoughts? I am not buying one. :P
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Post by: bbrown on April 23, 2019, 09:18:02 PM
We need Willie G back.....just sayin...
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Post by: bigchuck on April 24, 2019, 12:49:28 AM
Different year same worn out conversation.
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Post by: Ironhorse on April 24, 2019, 07:24:29 AM
Thoughts: I’m keeping my bike and not buying a new one.
Ideas: I’m gonna continue to ride the Hell out of it.
Rumors: Great album by Fleetwood Mac.
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Post by: FLSTFI Dave on April 24, 2019, 08:44:36 AM
They will continue to decontent the bike, while raising the price.  So you will get less, and pay more.

The motors will still have issues.

The head unit will still have bugs and glitches

Speakers will still blow.
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Post by: dayne66 on April 24, 2019, 11:36:27 AM
Color matched tires.  Green bikes get green tires, red bikes get red tires, blue bikes get blue tires.......

And electric kick stands. 
'Bout time.......it was so unfair that black bikes got matching tires!
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: OBB on April 24, 2019, 12:02:45 PM



Rumors: Great album by Fleetwood Mac.

Well that's something we agree on.

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Post by: iski on April 24, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
(https://is3-ssl.mzstatic.com/image/thumb/Music/v4/f6/b5/b2/f6b5b2f0-6b11-fcb2-1b51-0f89ccb545b0/081227970949.jpg/1200x630bb.jpg)

It fits this thread well.  Rumours song titles include:
Second Hand News   
Dreams   
Never Going Back Again   
Don't Stop   
Go Your Own Way

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Post by: Twolanerider on April 24, 2019, 03:52:40 PM
^^
You forgot:

Don't Stop (Riding the Servicar)

Songbird (splatting on the Servicar windshield)

and, of unknown infamy,

Oh Daddy (let's do it in the Servicar)
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Post by: iski on April 25, 2019, 12:54:57 AM
^^
You forgot:

Don't Stop (Riding the Servicar)

Songbird (splatting on the Servicar windshield)

and, of unknown infamy,

Oh Daddy (let's do it in the Servicar)

Also left out:

I Don't Want to Know (how much a 2020 CVO is going to cost, except for the new CVO Servicar, a bargain at any price)   :drink:
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Post by: HarleyJeffOregon on May 06, 2019, 02:35:11 PM
More black and less chrome. Cheaper paint jobs and less quality. At a higher price don't forget!
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Post by: Spiked Olive on May 06, 2019, 06:06:56 PM
Just rumors but:

No more separate gas cap. Just build into fuel door like newer cars.

Run Flat Tires

Reverse Gear on Touring Models

The FatBoy is getting skinnier

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Post by: bbrown on May 06, 2019, 08:53:04 PM
With only 15 weeks to go till the 2020 line up is here ... ...there will be new creative colors (not in Denim) some chromed and some blacked out under the watchful design eye of Willie G... The M8 problems are all resolved along with a new oil pump and system.   The share holders and executives are taking a 10% cut in pay and incentives, that will be used to lower the pricing by 15%.   

SH_ _ ......SORRY I JUST WOKE UP.....IT WAS A DREAM..../b]
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Post by: Sinker on May 13, 2019, 09:20:42 PM
More expensive, more plastic, more dull metal, less chrome.
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Post by: iski on May 14, 2019, 07:21:29 AM
A lot of people that have older model CVO bikes will say "I'm glad I already have my CVO, it was the best color HD ever made for a CVO, and there is nothing about the 2020's that could make me change my mind."
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Post by: Twolanerider on May 14, 2019, 09:18:08 AM
I'm glad I already have my CVO, it was the best color HD ever made for a CVO, and there is nothing about the 2020's that could make me change my mind.


I'm glad I already have my CVO, it was the best color HD ever made for a CVO, and there is nothing about the 2020's that could make me change my mind.


I'm glad I already have my CVO, it was the best color HD ever made for a CVO, and there is nothing about the 2020's that could make me change my mind.


(once for each old CVO)
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Post by: iski on May 14, 2019, 10:47:40 AM
^  What he said, once.
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Post by: Threephase on May 14, 2019, 12:31:53 PM
The new model to be introduced this year will be called Hindsight.
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Post by: mark on May 14, 2019, 10:07:50 PM
The new model to be introduced this year will be called Hindsight.
For 2020, after its 4th production year, HD will still be trying to get the M8 right...while Indian introduces a water-cooled 120 hp fixed fairing bagger with adjustable wind screen, electronic bag locks, radial Brembo disc brakes, variable ride modes, traction control, varible valve timing, electronic adjustable suspension, inverted front forks, and cornering ABS. 

HD will be bragging about adding a vent tube. 
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Post by: ultrarider123 on May 15, 2019, 06:54:29 AM
For 2020, after its 4th production year, HD will still be trying to get the M8 right...while Indian introduces a water-cooled 120 hp fixed fairing bagger with adjustable wind screen, electronic bag locks, radial Brembo disc brakes, variable ride modes, traction control, varible valve timing, electronic adjustable suspension, inverted front forks, and cornering ABS. 

HD will be bragging about adding a vent tube.

Now DAT'S phuny rat dare, Mark... :huepfenjump3:
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Post by: iski on May 15, 2019, 07:38:38 AM
The vent tube will leak.
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Post by: Threephase on May 15, 2019, 03:55:49 PM
Everybody will want a 2020 Hindsight
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Post by: scottt on May 15, 2019, 06:24:52 PM


For 2020, after its 4th production year, HD will still be trying to get the M8 right...while Indian introduces a water-cooled 120 hp fixed fairing bagger with adjustable wind screen, electronic bag locks, radial Brembo disc brakes, variable ride modes, traction control, varible valve timing, electronic adjustable suspension, inverted front forks, and cornering ABS. 

HD will be bragging about adding a vent tube.

All the features you listed on the 2020 Indian are included on the 2019 BMW K1600 B except for no inverted shocks, variable valve timming, along with many more features like clutchless shifting and 160hp, not 120hp. All for about 40 percent less than a CVO.

Fortunately for Harley, CVO buyers are not concerned with competition, value or any other factors other than the name on the bike, how it sounds and looks to them, along with acceptance. ( this is a poke at myself for buying a certain CVO ) being honest with myself.

The fact is, buying a motorcycle is not a logical decision. We do it for emotional reasons, each man or woman has there own. Far be it from me to say anyone is wrong. It's that emotional tie that keeps Harley going, a tie that no other manufacturer enjoys to the same degree.

When we ask what 2020 will bring? It will be whatever Harley thinks is necessary to maintain there advantage. Harleys are in a lane of there own, you either get it and accept what comes with it or you don't.

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Post by: bbrown on May 15, 2019, 06:56:13 PM

All the features you listed on the 2020 Indian are included on the 2019 BMW K1600 B except for no inverted shocks, variable valve timming, along with many more features like clutchless shifting and 160hp, not 120hp. All for about 40 percent less than a CVO.

Fortunately for Harley, CVO buyers are not concerned with competition, value or any other factors other than the name on the bike, how it sounds and looks to them, along with acceptance. ( this is a poke at myself for buying a certain CVO ) being honest with myself.

The fact is, buying a motorcycle is not a logical decision. We do it for emotional reasons, each man or woman has there own. Far be it from me to say anyone is wrong. It's that emotional tie that keeps Harley going, a tie that no other manufacturer enjoys to the same degree.

When we ask what 2020 will bring? It will be whatever Harley thinks is necessary to maintain there advantage. Harleys are in a lane of there own, you either get it and accept what comes with it or you don't.

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WELL SAID..AND THE TRIUMPH ROCKET 3 TFC WILL BE HARD FOR A CVO SPORT BIKE TO BEAT TOO
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mark on May 15, 2019, 09:42:45 PM

All the features you listed on the 2020 Indian are included on the 2019 BMW K1600 B except for no inverted shocks, variable valve timming, along with many more features like clutchless shifting and 160hp, not 120hp. All for about 40 percent less than a CVO.

Fortunately for Harley, CVO buyers are not concerned with competition, value or any other factors other than the name on the bike, how it sounds and looks to them, along with acceptance. ( this is a poke at myself for buying a certain CVO ) being honest with myself.

The fact is, buying a motorcycle is not a logical decision. We do it for emotional reasons, each man or woman has there own. Far be it from me to say anyone is wrong. It's that emotional tie that keeps Harley going, a tie that no other manufacturer enjoys to the same degree.

When we ask what 2020 will bring? It will be whatever Harley thinks is necessary to maintain there advantage. Harleys are in a lane of there own, you either get it and accept what comes with it or you don't.

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Actually my post was meant to be hyperbole.  Other than an adjustable wind screen, inverted forks, radial disc brakes, varible ride modes, electric bag locks, and 120 hp, I have no idea what else the Indian bike will have.  My point is IM isn't sitting on its rear end, trying to live in yesteryear, hanging onto an outdated power plant.  I still see nothing in the HD lineup that's going to appeal to the millenial rider.  The IM fixed fairing bike will be their 3rd water-cooled bike.  The new FTR 1200 hit IM dealers this week.  I'm afraid the 2020 HD line up will just be more of the same, sans any real changes.
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Post by: scottt on May 15, 2019, 10:40:42 PM
Actually my post was meant to be hyperbole.  Other than an adjustable wind screen, inverted forks, radial disc brakes, varible ride modes, electric bag locks, and 120 hp, I have no idea what else the Indian bike will have.  My point is IM isn't sitting on its rear end, trying to live in yesteryear, hanging onto an outdated power plant.  I still see nothing in the HD lineup that's going to appeal to the millenial rider.  The IM fixed fairing bike will be their 3rd water-cooled bike.  The new FTR 1200 hit IM dealers this week.  I'm afraid the 2020 HD line up will just be more of the same, sans any real changes.
Your absolutely correct! Harley will stay the road they have been on for a long, long, time.

For Harley to truely compete with other brands for new customers would be almost impossible. It would need to be bikes that beat the competition  at a competitive price. I still don't see how they are going to compete with a adventure bike or frankly on electric bikes. Hope I'm wrong!

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Post by: Eccool on June 06, 2019, 01:29:18 PM
Anybody know the release date for the new bikes?  Thanks!
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Post by: bbrown on June 06, 2019, 02:09:58 PM
End of August.
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Post by: fastfreddy on June 06, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
 found the pool boy,,, not a cvo but a blacked out road glide limited .... yup LIMITED      don't tell any body
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Post by: OBB on June 06, 2019, 09:15:41 PM
found the pool boy,,, not a cvo but a blacked out road glide limited .... yup LIMITED      don't tell any body
My sales manager already told me He can order one for me like that. I need to see the colors first to decide. Add a couple of goodies like power locks and an XM module, I should be good to go and still 12k under CVO money. I like my CVO, but that money part is getting old. They just don't seem as elite as they once were.
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Post by: bbrown on June 06, 2019, 10:27:56 PM
I assume a limited comes with leg fairings.......if so count me in.
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Post by: OBB on June 07, 2019, 06:33:47 AM
I assume a limited comes with leg fairings.......if so count me in.
I'm guessing at this. Lowers, Heated grips and painted inner fairing. Not sure what else comes on the cyclops limited but I'm sure it will be comparable.
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Post by: guppytrash on June 08, 2019, 06:50:01 AM
Some of the 2020's will come with bat wing fairings and some will have shark nosed fixed fairings.  Some will have no fairings

They will all have the same frame, bags, engines, brakes, tanks, suspension, and someone will agonize for months on which one is the "right one for them".

Variations of handlebars and seats, pegs and floor boards, handlebars and grips, depending on model....all which will need to be replaced by owner to personalize for individual fit.

They will all run hot and lean which can be fixed with a tuner which will VOID your warranty.

There will be several stereo issues and syncing problems of various types.

There will be several discussions on which oil is best for the 2020 motor.

Not one person under 35-40 years old will care.

At least one model will be targeted at the female market.

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Post by: OBB on June 08, 2019, 07:51:31 AM
Some of the 2020's will come with bat wing fairings and some will have shark nosed fixed fairings.  Some will have no fairings

They will all have the same frame, bags, engines, brakes, tanks, suspension, and someone will agonize for months on which one is the "right one for them".

Variations of handlebars and seats, pegs and floor boards, handlebars and grips, depending on model....all which will need to be replaced by owner to personalize for individual fit.

They will all run hot and lean which can be fixed with a tuner which will VOID your warranty.

There will be several stereo issues and syncing problems of various types.

There will be several discussions on which oil is best for the 2020 motor.

Not one person under 35-40 years old will care.

At least one model will be targeted at the female market.
Nailed it!

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Post by: rayson56 on June 08, 2019, 10:40:42 AM
Don't forget...2 blacked out versions and 1 chrome version of each, but the MOCO will choose the wrong ones for each combo. LMAO
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Post by: scottt on June 08, 2019, 12:25:03 PM
Seriously; a major touring line update is past due. 2020 would be a great year to make that happen. If they don't do it, sales will suffer.......more!

An automatic transmission option is coming!

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Title: new bikes
Post by: laylonlor on June 20, 2019, 02:56:37 PM
what date do they show the 2020 Harleys? :nixweiss:
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Post by: CVOStreetglide on June 20, 2019, 04:13:10 PM
Mid to late August after the dealer rollout meeting.
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Post by: bbrown on June 20, 2019, 10:53:45 PM
i heard the dealer meeting is Nashville again is that true?
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Post by: Threephase on June 20, 2019, 11:50:59 PM
I bet they break the 120 ci barrier this year.
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Post by: ultrarider123 on June 21, 2019, 07:23:29 AM
It appears to be the week of August 19 in Milwaukee
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Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on June 21, 2019, 07:53:46 AM
I would like a new designed crash bar I can install matching lowers and keep the Fang Fairing :pepper:
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Post by: bbrown on June 21, 2019, 08:59:03 AM
I would like a new designed crash bar I can install matching lowers and keep the Fang Fairing :pepper:


That would be great
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Post by: Threephase on June 21, 2019, 10:46:48 AM
I would like the option of ordering a new Streetglide with a BMW 1600 engine fitted with an exhaust system that makes it sound like a twin cylinder Harley.
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Post by: scottt on June 21, 2019, 01:16:20 PM
I would like the option of ordering a new Streetglide with a BMW 1600 engine fitted with an exhaust system that makes it sound like a twin cylinder Harley.
You can get a sweet sounding exhaust system for the K1600B, sounds more like a formula race car. The K1600B or bagger is a good looking bike as well in my opinion. Has more performance features than a CVO for half the price. The best one is the clutchless quick shifter. Really not fair to compare with a Harley, they are different animals. Love them both for what they are.

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Post by: yobtaf103 on June 24, 2019, 10:18:18 AM
Long time (2006) since they done a CVO fatboy, or perhaps a Sportglide with FXRT style fairing bigger motor

H'mm 30 th Anniversary of the Fatboy 2020
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Post by: CVOboi on June 27, 2019, 07:41:25 AM
I personally think they will come with the softail type frame probably the same but modified to take the extra electrics of the tourers. Upside down front end. The new turning daymaker headlights and possibly with the new heads up display thats coming on the livewire... :cucumber:
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Post by: bbrown on June 27, 2019, 09:21:44 AM
I personally think they will come with the softail type frame probably the same but modified to take the extra electrics of the tourers. Upside down front end. The new turning daymaker headlights and possibly with the new heads up display thats coming on the livewire... :cucumber:


Hope you’re right.... only 7 weeks and we’ll know
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Post by: miceracs on July 01, 2019, 12:24:50 PM
I normally replace my bike every 3-4 years, all CVO's last 2 being Roadglides.
I current bike is a 2015 CVO Roadglide. 26k miles, just back from a tour of Portugal.
So pissed at lack of design ideas, decided instead to complete a stage 4, upgrade to 117 and had a complete rolling road tune. Replaced cylinder down pipes and new pipes.
Paid HD the necessary fees for the tuning engineer to access ALL points.

The result is a new bike.....or feels like one.
supper torque and a graph output on performance that is never ending...... so chart attached, matched against a CVO road king 110 recent tuning.
 I can fully recommend this method to upgrade your bike. Lot cheaper too.


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Post by: Phreakyz on July 01, 2019, 12:52:07 PM
I would like a new designed crash bar I can install matching lowers and keep the Fang Fairing :pepper:

Here is a pic of a guy who mounted the fang to the conventional big crash bar.     Then you could mount lowers.    Not sure what he did or how sturdy it is.
https://www.roadglide.org/3-%2Ageneral-road-glide-discussions-pictures/366017-new-fang-front-spoiler-23.html

See post # 226,  he lists the mods he had to make but no photos.
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Post by: Pan1 on July 01, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
Our local dealership tried this. Once the lowers are installed the larger front tire will hit the lowers at certain turn angles
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Post by: wiseasp on July 06, 2019, 06:51:25 PM
I heard from a pretty good source a VERY LIMITED CVO trike run will be in 2020. 
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Post by: rayson56 on July 06, 2019, 06:59:25 PM
Our local dealership tried this. Once the lowers are installed the larger front tire will hit the lowers at certain turn angles


NOT!!!

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Post by: rayson56 on July 06, 2019, 07:01:59 PM
more
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Post by: bbrown on July 06, 2019, 08:28:26 PM
I heard from a pretty good source a VERY LIMITED CVO trike run will be in 2020.


Me too.  Kinda Willie G look after his trike special design. That would be cool but roomers in Wi are alway there this time of year.


BTW IF IT IS REAL. SO WILL BE THE PRICE
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Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 06, 2019, 08:44:25 PM
Our local dealership tried this. Once the lowers are installed the larger front tire will hit the lowers at certain turn angles
Please let us know what clueless dealer this is, so we do not go there by mistake.

2018 CVO Road Glide, 21 front wheel,  with lowers.  Zero issues.  That was my last bike.

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Post by: wiseasp on July 07, 2019, 06:37:33 AM

Me too.  Kinda Willie G look after his trike special design. That would be cool but roomers in Wi are alway there this time of year.


BTW IF IT IS REAL. SO WILL BE THE PRICE

Yeah they said it would be mid to upper $50’s.


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Post by: iski on July 07, 2019, 07:45:36 AM
It should be named the CVO Servicar.
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Post by: mark on July 07, 2019, 08:33:54 AM
Yeah they said it would be mid to upper $50’s.


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I hope this was posted as humor?  Mid to upper $50s?  About the cost of a fully loaded, top of the line, pickup.  If true, no thanks.
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Post by: wiseasp on July 07, 2019, 09:10:29 AM
I hope this was posted as humor?  Mid to upper $50s?  About the cost of a fully loaded, top of the line, pickup.  If true, no thanks.

A 2 tone Triglide Ultra is close to $40,000. CVO’s are normally $15,000 above a regular bike.   A regular ultra starts at $28,000 and CVO Ultra is $43,900...
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Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 07, 2019, 08:54:41 PM
I hope this was posted as humor?  Mid to upper $50s?  About the cost of a fully loaded, top of the line, pickup.  If true, no thanks.

Priced a new crew cab half ton recently?  Top of the line is 65K or more in a 1500/150 truck.
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Post by: Pan1 on July 08, 2019, 09:11:06 AM
Tims HD in Augusta is the dealership that told me they tried to install lowers and it would not work. A pic is worth a 1,000 words.   Thanks
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Post by: OBB on July 08, 2019, 12:36:38 PM
Tims HD in Augusta is the dealership that told me they tried to install lowers and it would not work. A pic is worth a 1,000 words.   Thanks
Tell Peewee in the service department to log in here and check out the pix.

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Post by: DCFIREMANN on July 08, 2019, 03:08:54 PM
Well not from the rumor mill but the motors will be larger!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG
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Post by: Twolanerider on July 08, 2019, 07:19:43 PM
Well not from the rumor mill but the motors will be larger!!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Finally after all these years we know who the pool boy is!!😂😂
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Post by: wiliturk on July 19, 2019, 11:23:49 AM
One thing is certain, the prices will go up.
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Post by: anzac on July 19, 2019, 11:47:32 AM
its beyond me why the CVOs limited have had the worst colors over the last few years, I really can't understand the thought process. Looking at trading mine in but the colors were just too bad
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Post by: King Glide on July 19, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
I just found out that the dealer meeting will be held on August 20. I’m sure there will be a couple live stream videos out there including one from Matt Laidlaw , laidlaw’s hd in California.
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Post by: bbrown on July 19, 2019, 06:59:39 PM
Lots of discussion In Wisconsin and around the plant in Tomahawk ..to answer the high price issue....mostly do to the electronic crap  ...the SERK  road king will be back.  No stereo, no Nav. No communication
Like the old days .... a CVO for just enjoying the ride.   Sure hope this is true.
If it’s 5-7000 cheaper than a SESG. count me in...pending colors of course
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Post by: T-Roy on July 21, 2019, 09:28:18 AM
 ;D
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Post by: load97 on July 21, 2019, 09:52:03 AM
LOL  :mango:
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Post by: muddypaws on July 21, 2019, 10:22:12 AM
Please better colors and lots of chrome. Not into the black.
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Post by: bbrown on July 21, 2019, 11:35:43 AM
Please better colors and lots of chrome. Not into the black

Sure hope you’re right






Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scotman623 on July 21, 2019, 12:33:55 PM
When I was picking up my CVO RG this past Friday I asked the owner about some 2020 information... She showed me the color chart but HQ have not told them which colors for what models yet.. She also stated the only true new models For 2020 are the Live wire, Some adventure bike which will not be released til early fall, She is thinking they will badge it a 2021 because of later release... Not sure what the CVO models will be again, SO really not much news at this time!!! Thanks HD for giving us the electric bike all your true followers were asking for!!! LOL LOL...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on July 21, 2019, 01:55:49 PM
When I was picking up my CVO RG this past Friday I asked the owner about some 2020 information... She showed me the color chart but HQ have not told them which colors for what models yet.. She also stated the only true new models For 2020 are the Live wire, Some adventure bike which will not be released til early fall, She is thinking they will badge it a 2021 because of later release... Not sure what the CVO models will be again, SO really not much news at this time!!! Thanks HD for giving us the electric bike all your true followers were asking for!!! LOL LOL...
I just don't get it; the touring line is Harley's bread and butter, way overdue for a frame and suspension redesign, what do they invest in? A overpriced electric bike and adventure model? The competition in these two sectors are fierce to say the least.

Guess they figure you can milk the baby boomers for a while longer without updating products while investing in models for non traditional buyers. Does Harley really think they will steal many BMW  GS riders? BMW has only been perfecting this bike for 10+ years, number one adventure bike in the world. Then you have great adventure bikes from Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Triumph. Why even try swimming in that pond? Stick to what you do best and improve it to the highest standards.

But what do i know? Just a 28 year Harley customer that recently bought a BMW K1600 B or bagger. It pained me to do it but couldn't ignore the difference in motorcycles. Not knocking Harley, still love them but not blindly.

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Post by: Threephase on July 21, 2019, 02:47:44 PM
The MOCO does not seem to be worried about their loyal customers. All the clothing line ads and motorcycle ads feature individuals that look like no one I ever run across while out riding.
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Post by: Twolanerider on July 21, 2019, 02:51:52 PM
The MOCO does not seem to be worried about their loyal customers. All the clothing line ads and motorcycle ads feature individuals that look like no one I ever run across while out riding.


Clothing models don't come in our sizes :huepfenlol2: !
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Post by: Bav on July 21, 2019, 04:19:15 PM
I just don't get it; the touring line is Harley's bread and butter, way overdue for a frame and suspension redesign, what do they invest in? A overpriced electric bike and adventure model? The competition in these two sectors are fierce to say the least.

Guess they figure you can milk the baby boomers for a while longer without updating products while investing in models for non traditional buyers. Does Harley really think they will steal many BMW  GS riders? BMW has only been perfecting this bike for 10+ years, number one adventure bike in the world. Then you have great adventure bikes from Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Triumph. Why even try swimming in that pond? Stick to what you do best and improve it to the highest standards.

But what do i know? Just a 28 year Harley customer that recently bought a BMW K1600 B or bagger. It pained me to do it but couldn't ignore the difference in motorcycles. Not knocking Harley, still love them but not blindly.

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I agree. I own a Harley and a BMW GS. The GS is the market leading Adventure bike and I would not consider the H-D alternative. I want the Harley for what it is. It’s the DNA of the Harley that attracts me to it. I also own a BSA, a Honda and an airhead BMW. They all have their charms and that’s why I’ve got them. What next a Land Rover 1 litre city car? Know your market!!!!


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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on July 21, 2019, 05:18:39 PM
I agree. I own a Harley and a BMW GS. The GS is the market leading Adventure bike and I would not consider the H-D alternative. I want the Harley for what it is. It’s the DNA of the Harley that attracts me to it. I also own a BSA, a Honda and an airhead BMW. They all have their charms and that’s why I’ve got them. What next a Land Rover 1 litre city car? Know your market!!!!


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Try the K1600B or Bagger. I bought one, the 6cyl is amazing in a motorcycle. I've yet to need more power. You start to pass, look down and your 100+ without trying.



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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Cooter28 on July 21, 2019, 05:32:14 PM
Just a wild guess, but I think the majority of us are probably over 50 and then some. Harley is looking 15,20,25 years out. We’re not riding or worse. So there trying to build a new market out of whatever you want to call the next generations. I’ve already used (sad) with my head shaking. Lol
Enjoy what we have. Because this is the best generation. Lol
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: JerseyT on July 21, 2019, 08:22:44 PM
I agree with all the comments made above.  Been riding 50+ years and own 3 Harleys now, all bought new ('84 FXRS, '95 Road King with S&S 113, Baker 6-spd, Bandit Superclutch, PM calipers, etc., and an '09 CVO Ultra).  Have ridden all over North America and Europe and have two major trips scheduled right now.  Point is ... "yes" I'm an aging baby boomer ... but I'm still a serious motorcyclist with disposable income.

Was hoping to replace my '09 CVO with an M8 version, but figured I'd wait to make sure all the bugs were worked out of design and that maybe Harley would upgrade the suspension, etc.  Ha!  Saw reviews on the new BMW K1600B and decided to test ride it.  Holy $hit!  This thing is so far advanced by any objective performance and feature measure vs. what Harley is offering that it is incomprehensible unless you try one out.  6,500+ miles of smiles on it now.  Love my Harleys, but I've been exposed to a whole new world of performance biking and I can't see The Motor Company ever catching up.  They are too busy designing "Slim Fit" clothes for Millennial's and third world consumers. 
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Post by: OBB on July 21, 2019, 09:15:20 PM

Clothing models don't come in our sizes :huepfenlol2: !
Pretty sure JR and Chuck are the only two that might fit in the new "slim fit" line as far as guys that I know that ride.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on July 22, 2019, 12:02:48 AM
I agree with all the comments made above.  Been riding 50+ years and own 3 Harleys now, all bought new ('84 FXRS, '95 Road King with S&S 113, Baker 6-spd, Bandit Superclutch, PM calipers, etc., and an '09 CVO Ultra).  Have ridden all over North America and Europe and have two major trips scheduled right now.  Point is ... "yes" I'm an aging baby boomer ... but I'm still a serious motorcyclist with disposable income.

Was hoping to replace my '09 CVO with an M8 version, but figured I'd wait to make sure all the bugs were worked out of design and that maybe Harley would upgrade the suspension, etc.  Ha!  Saw reviews on the new BMW K1600B and decided to test ride it.  Holy $hit!  This thing is so far advanced by any objective performance and feature measure vs. what Harley is offering that it is incomprehensible unless you try one out.  6,500+ miles of smiles on it now.  Love my Harleys, but I've been exposed to a whole new world of performance biking and I can't see The Motor Company ever catching up.  They are too busy designing "Slim Fit" clothes for Millennial's and third world consumers.
Bingo! From a fellow HD rider that feels the same way about the K1600B or Bagger.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scotman623 on July 22, 2019, 11:28:40 AM
As the old saying goes!!! STAY IN YOUR LANE... Maybe HD should follow this and improve on and build what they know... Did they really forget the VROD experiment, or the Buell? Seems like they already tried with these to attract the younger crowd and it backfired!!!!!
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Post by: fastfreddy on July 22, 2019, 07:22:01 PM
 THOUGHTS about 2020..... probly going to be more BMW owners on the board here than HD owners,   :nixweiss: just a thought
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Post by: Cat Eye on July 22, 2019, 08:07:05 PM
They will be awesome....and we will all want one!   “MHGA”
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on July 22, 2019, 08:44:50 PM
Looking to 2020, i hope Harley comes out with a new touring line that excites like Chevrolet did with the 2020 Corvette.

I think this says it all

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Post by: wiseasp on July 22, 2019, 08:56:07 PM
THOUGHTS about 2020..... probly going to be more BMW owners on the board here than HD owners,   :nixweiss: just a thought

I built a 19 trike to take my wife out who has MS.  I really wanted the 19 SERG, but just didn’t like it. Ordered a 2020 BMW S1000RR...I couldn’t be happier. I’m hoping 2020 will bring a CVO  FXDR!!!  I’ll def get that!!!

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Post by: rayson56 on July 23, 2019, 12:06:12 AM
That trike is SHARP!!!
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Post by: guppytrash on July 23, 2019, 08:37:43 AM
THOUGHTS about 2020..... probly going to be more BMW owners on the board here than HD owners,   :nixweiss: just a thought

 :huepfenlol2:

I was just thinking how many harley tattoos are now being seen on the rider of a BMW motorcycle.

Not saying theres anything wrong with that...I find myself wearing HD branded gear on my BMW from time to time. 

Always makes me smile, life is good if you have owned or own multiple motorcycles and have the freedom to ride whatever brand you choose.

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Post by: ultrarider123 on July 23, 2019, 08:50:40 AM
That trike is SHARP!!!

Indeed it is...great build, wiseasp... :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: scottt on July 23, 2019, 10:15:44 AM
:huepfenlol2:

I was just thinking how many harley tattoos are now being seen on the rider of a BMW motorcycle.

Not saying theres anything wrong with that...I find myself wearing HD branded gear on my BMW from time to time. 

Always makes me smile, life is good if you have owned or own multiple motorcycles and have the freedom to ride whatever brand you choose.
Could not agree more! There was a time when i was 100% loyal to Harley. In the late 80's and early 90's most Harley dealers were small, real motorcycle dealerships. We called them "the shop". It actually felt like family, a great time.

Once dealers were required to build million dollar facilities the focus changed. Now, it's just about the dollar, many sold to car dealerships that run them the same as if you were buying a new Toyota.

This change opened my eyes to other bikes, ultimately to my BMW K1600 B. It's the bike i always dreamed of. Perfect? No, but much closer.



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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: guppytrash on July 23, 2019, 12:58:52 PM
Could not agree more! There was a time when i was 100% loyal to Harley. In the late 80's and early 90's most Harley dealers were small, real motorcycle dealerships. We called them "the shop". It actually felt like family, a great time.

Once dealers were required to build million dollar facilities the focus changed. Now, it's just about the dollar, many sold to car dealerships that run them the same as if you were buying a new Toyota.

This change opened my eyes to other bikes, ultimately to my BMW K1600 B. It's the bike i always dreamed of. Perfect? No, but much closer.



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Yup!  The McHarley shops were the first attack on the character of a Harley Davidson Motorcycle. 
I think the car dealership mentality/attitude is really one of the biggest reasons some are jumping ship. 

The HD brand was never really the "most reliable" or "best performing" bike you could buy. 
But it was a family attitude when you needed repairs. 
Now the employees change names and faces every other week.  Most have very little knowledge of the product they sell. 

The maintenance attitude is
"buy an extended warranty" 
"they all do that"
"we can get you in next month as we are all backed up in service"
"did you buy the bike here" (yes a**hole I have bought my last four HD's here and you would know that if you didn't change help every f'n week)
"your number 35 on the list"
"are you in my computer?"
"we have parties in the parking lot every weekend for those of you who just bought your motorcycle because you like to clothes shop here on the weekends"


Big dealers suck in all ways!

Want to alienate a loyal customer...treat them like a number, or better yet ask them "have you ever been here before?"

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Post by: guppytrash on July 23, 2019, 01:03:19 PM
Sorry just realized I went on a rant!

I just like motorcycles and riding. 

It feels like the MOCO is targeting someone different than me.
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Post by: ultrarider123 on July 23, 2019, 01:25:11 PM
Sorry just realized I went on a rant!

I just like motorcycles and riding. 

It feels like the MOCO is targeting someone different than me.

Nope, that was just the rant required and I'm with you on all of that said...but their target audience has changed, too, and it ain't us old guys/gals anymore. 

Funny thing (was to me anyway) was the "new" Indian dealer here in Knoxville is owned by the Brown family...same family that owns both K'ville HD shops.  Mr. Brown opened K'ville HD back in 1968 and the new shop back then is now the Indian dealer shop today.  I bought my first Harley in that shop and, ironically, my first Indian.  That shop, and to a lesser extent the shop today, FELT like what a Harley shop should feel like, smelled like what a Harley shop should smell like and you were treated like family.  The family feel is still present in the two other HD shops and some/most of the folks that are there have been there a while...to an extent it's the same at SMHD, too. 

Most other shops I've visited over the years around the country don't and fit what you state above, Gup
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Post by: scottt on July 23, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
Sorry just realized I went on a rant!

I just like motorcycles and riding. 

It feels like the MOCO is targeting someone different than me.
Again; I'm 100% with you. The dealers really want that 35 year old that's never owned a Harley. That new rider ( many not all ) will spend thousands on attire, spend thousands to add power, suspension, on and on. Harley will finance the whole ball of wax. Then this new rider can dress up like he's in SOA they have no clue what a 1% club really means and the commitment.

Personally i know my place in the motorcycle community. Just a guy that enjoys riding, being around other riders or not.

Now, sorry for my long rant. I think those of us that have lived it feel this way. We've lost our loyalty because Harley went another direction.

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Post by: fastfreddy on July 23, 2019, 06:25:04 PM
 LOL,  :nixweiss:
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Post by: OBB on July 24, 2019, 06:33:27 AM
Time for everyone to go get on whatever you have in the garage and go for a nice long ride/drive. It's getting stuffy in here. Let's all come back in about a month and see who's guesses were close.  :drink: :drink:
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Post by: bbrown on July 24, 2019, 06:51:32 AM
This year there will be lots of great paint colors and design. The M8 issues resolved. Chrome will be back.  The executives and stockholders are forgoing all pay increases and bonuses to decrease the pricing by 15%. All new bikes get 15% off parts.


Sorry I just woke up from a dream.....DAMn🤬
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 24, 2019, 07:01:48 AM
Looking to 2020, i hope Harley comes out with a new touring line that excites like Chevrolet did with the 2020 Corvette.

I think this says it all

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There is no way Harley would come out and update everything about the Touring bike, with no carry over parts like the 2020 Corvette.  Nice dream though.
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Post by: groupw on July 24, 2019, 10:29:10 AM
There is no way Harley would come out and update everything about the Touring bike, with no carry over parts like the 2020 Corvette.   

........ why not ?
.. they did just that w/the Softail family
...... and there'd be lots of opportunity for carry-over on the manufacturing side (which the bean counters just love :pepper:) if not the consumer
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Post by: FLSTFI Dave on July 25, 2019, 06:46:12 AM
........ why not ?
.. they did just that w/the Softail family
...... and there'd be lots of opportunity for carry-over on the manufacturing side (which the bean counters just love :pepper:) if not the consumer

Softtail is some what updated, new frame and rear suspension.  Motor was already in use.  No new technology or even some what new like traction control, ride modes.  No increased power.

Corvette totally new, engine, transmission, and so on.  New ride modes, traction control and so on.  Corvette design was 6 years old.  Corvette out performs it competitors in every category for significantly less money.

Harley competitors have traction control, they have ride modes, more modern suspension, and most have more power.  They under perform their competitors in almost every category, for much more money.

My bet, harley for 2020 will have a Bigger M8 engine, no big leap in power.  No big suspension improvement like ride modes or traction control.  Touring bike may get a frame update as current one is 10 years old.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bigchuck on July 26, 2019, 12:17:08 AM
This year there will be lots of great paint colors and design. The M8 issues resolved. Chrome will be back.  The executives and stockholders are forgoing all pay increases and bonuses to decrease the pricing by 15%. All new bikes get 15% off parts.


Sorry I just woke up from a dream.....DAM🤬


It's Damn
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Post by: groupw on July 26, 2019, 01:37:45 PM
It's Damn

....... i'd'a never believed there'd ever be an 'epiphet cop'
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Post by: ultrarider123 on July 26, 2019, 02:07:52 PM
....... i'd'a never believed there'd ever be an 'epithet cop'

...would that be dam or damn "epiphit cop".... :huepfenjump3: :bananarock: :huepfenlol2: :nervous: ;D
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on July 26, 2019, 03:14:53 PM
Just think, we are only a few days away from  making fun of    making witty/satirical remarks  lamenting the imminent demise of the MoCo due to ________(whatever about the 2021 models)  creating unfounded rumors and wild speculations about the 2021 HD models. 

 :pepper:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2019, 04:01:53 PM
2021 CVO Servicar  :pepper: :coolblue:
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Post by: Twolanerider on July 26, 2019, 04:03:17 PM
2021 CVO Servicar  :pepper: :coolblue:

^^
$86,000


not counting optional: tires, handlebars, cooler
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Post by: iski on July 27, 2019, 06:12:46 AM
An idea whose time has come.

Or a time whose idea has come.

($85,999)
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Post by: bbrown on July 27, 2019, 08:12:46 AM
It's Damn

 :-\Seriously.......that’s all you got
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on July 27, 2019, 08:15:15 AM
Just think, we are only a few days away from  making fun of    making witty/satirical remarks  lamenting the imminent demise of the MoCo due to ________(whatever about the 2021 models)  creating unfounded rumors and wild speculations about the 2021 HD models. 

 :pepper:

Can’t wait
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: r0de_runr on July 27, 2019, 08:33:20 AM
:huepfenlol2:

I was just thinking how many harley tattoos are now being seen on the rider of a BMW motorcycle.

Not saying theres anything wrong with that...I find myself wearing HD branded gear on my BMW from time to time. 

Always makes me smile, life is good if you have owned or own multiple motorcycles and have the freedom to ride whatever brand you choose.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: TN on July 27, 2019, 04:49:51 PM
Paved roads are for sissies, a new lifestyle for sale 

limited production Yamaharley





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Post by: GB506 on July 27, 2019, 06:37:00 PM
Paved roads are for sissies, a new lifestyle for sale 

limited production Yamaharley

I’d ride that bike.


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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Twolanerider on July 27, 2019, 06:37:53 PM
Yamaharley  ;D    That brings back memories.  One of my early Frankenbikes in my late teens was a Yamaharley.  It was part the remainder of a stolen and recovered 1970 Yamaha twin 650 (that would have been a really nice bike) and part wrecked Sportster and part other bits I don't remember.  It's amazing what you can make go down the road with a big hammer, a gas torch, an arc welder, and not enough sense to know better.  Pretty sure that bike had an amazing dark green and white rattle can paint job.

It's probably a good thing no pics remain of some of the crap art I built to ride back then.  They all went straight though and none of them wrecked me (on the road).  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: TN on July 27, 2019, 08:37:03 PM
I'm gonna ride it

it's a fresh build by my friend did from spare parts he had, mostly. He paid attention to detail.

I was a hondasaki teen myself.

In keeping with the topic I keep seeing an aluminum box frame, mono-shock rear suspension, drive-shaft, fully water cooled engine on a touring bike, fixed fairing of course, the other features will come along just with updating. North of 50k

I hope the MOCO knocks it out the park


Ride

Oh wait! The bike I described is already in production, just another MFG. and 30k decked out.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on July 30, 2019, 08:46:11 AM
Only three weeks to go and we will get the first look at the CVOs for 2020.

Dealer meeting is in Milwaukee this year
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on July 30, 2019, 09:37:47 AM
The Pool Boy has been quiet lately.  Maybe he fell asleep or is bored?   :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 30, 2019, 09:47:12 AM
The Pool Boy has been quiet lately.  Maybe he fell asleep or is bored?   :nixweiss:
He's over at the Indian display in Sturgis... ::)

...probably to catch a glimpse of the new Challenger...

https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2020-indian-challenger-leaked-from-dealer-meeting.html
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Twolanerider on July 30, 2019, 10:38:58 AM
The Pool Boy has been quiet lately.  Maybe he fell asleep or is bored?   :nixweiss:


Nah, he shifted interests for awhile and has been out feeding the masses with delicious BBQ.  To hell with everything else when you've got delicious BBQ (says the Pool Boy).
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on July 30, 2019, 10:49:49 AM
Well, unfounded rumors based on completely idle speculation and dreamed up wild ideas about the new HD bikes that have no probable bearing on their actual reality would be appreciated anyway, dammit.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Twolanerider on July 30, 2019, 10:59:45 AM
Well, unfounded rumors based on completely idle speculation and dreamed up wild ideas about the new HD bikes that have no probable bearing on their actual reality would be appreciated anyway, dammit.

I am so sorry (said no one here ever :huepfenlol2: ) .
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Post by: WTF Chuck on July 30, 2019, 11:55:23 AM
For the record we toured the plant end of June all build lines were down nothing running.
Very boring glad we did not have to pay to go in.

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Post by: iski on July 30, 2019, 12:51:59 PM
I am so sorry (said no one here ever :huepfenlol2: ) .

Indian is going to build a Servicar.
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Post by: ultrarider123 on July 30, 2019, 12:59:13 PM
Indian is going to build a Servicar.

Say it ain't so.... :nervous:

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Post by: bbrown on July 30, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
He's over at the Indian display in Sturgis... ::)

...probably to catch a glimpse of the new Challenger...

https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2020-indian-challenger-leaked-from-dealer-meeting.html
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Wow.. the Indian display in Sturgis will be packed to see the 2020s.  Meanwhile the Harley tent will be showing year old bikes and offering free haircuts like last year, in a desperate attempt to draw people. Brilliant 🤪
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Post by: iski on July 30, 2019, 02:22:55 PM
Say it ain't so.... :nervous:

It ain't so.

But the 2020 Infotaintment Center will be changed to display just the ambient fairing temperature.  In Celsius only.
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Post by: Threephase on July 30, 2019, 04:07:28 PM
I did hear a rumor that the revolution engine may be making a comeback.... came from a dealer.
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Post by: Twolanerider on July 30, 2019, 04:31:47 PM
It ain't so.

But the 2020 Infotaintment Center will be changed to display just the ambient fairing temperature.  In Celsius only.

Not (completely true).  If you left thumb click (twice) followed by a right thumb press up once then a right thumb down followed by both thumbs pressing in (simultaneously) for 2.5 seconds (+/- .25 sec) this will deploy the (analog) rain gauge from the left side of the inner fairing.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on July 30, 2019, 05:18:40 PM
Not (completely true).  If you left thumb click (twice) followed by a right thumb press up once then a right thumb down followed by both thumbs pressing in (simultaneously) for 2.5 seconds (+/- .25 sec) this will deploy the (analog) rain gauge from the left side of the inner fairing.

Yeah. Unless you have the bug splatter detector/counter activated, then this sequence will count the number of bug splatters by color & size..
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 30, 2019, 06:04:10 PM
Ok, you two just got WAY too much spare time on your hands... ;D :bananarock: :drink: :huepfenlol2: :nervous: :2vrolijk_21:
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Post by: Twolanerider on July 30, 2019, 06:10:36 PM
Yeah. Unless you have the bug splatter detector/counter activated, then this sequence will count the number of bug splatters by color & size..


I thought the color option was a Screamin Eagle accessory :nixweiss: ?
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Post by: iski on July 30, 2019, 11:08:40 PM
Quote
Ok, you two just got WAY too much spare time on your hands...

Figured no one would have time to notice.   8)



I thought the color option was a Screamin Eagle accessory :nixweiss: ?

Yes.  Regular bikes it's in black & white. 

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/bugs/mosquito-smiley-emoticon.gif) (http://www.sherv.net/)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: marko61 on July 31, 2019, 06:01:50 AM
Looking to 2020, i hope Harley comes out with a new touring line that excites like Chevrolet did with the 2020 Corvette.

I think this says it all

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damn  it's a ferrari....!!!!   :P
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on July 31, 2019, 08:15:07 AM

damn  it's a ferrari....!!!!   
Chevrolet's Corvette staff hit the 2020 model out of the ballpark. They designed a Corvette that competes with the worlds best yet will be much less expensive to maintain, looks fantastic, comfortable, quality materials, on and on. Buyers are standing in line. Actually priced below what anyone expected, a true sports car value, even bargain.

This is exactly what Harley needs to do with the touring line. Design and build a world beater with trademark Harley paint and chrome. Beautiful yet powerful, 150hp min. Offer the bikes like automakers offer cars. Start with base packages then offer the expensive electrical features as options. Customers should be able to build the bike they want from the factory.

This is what Harley needs to do if they wish to ignite sales. You can only stay in business so long selling products that don't compete. Ask GM back in the 70's. They thought buyers would buy GM regardless of the Japanese car competition. Currently Harley is behaving like GM in the 70's. Hopefully this changes real soon!

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on July 31, 2019, 08:37:47 AM
Well said Scott



Chevrolet's Corvette staff hit the 2020 model out of the ballpark. They designed a Corvette that competes with the worlds best yet will be much less expensive to maintain, looks fantastic, comfortable, quality materials, on and on. Buyers are standing in line. Actually priced below what anyone expected, a true sports car value, even bargain.

This is exactly what Harley needs to do with the touring line. Design and build a world beater with trademark Harley paint and chrome. Beautiful yet powerful, 150hp min. Offer the bikes like automakers offer cars. Start with base packages then offer the expensive electrical features as options. Customers should be able to build the bike they want from the factory.

This is what Harley needs to do if they wish to ignite sales. You can only stay in business so long selling products that don't compete. Ask GM back in the 70's. They thought buyers would buy GM regardless of the Japanese car competition. Currently Harley is behaving like GM in the 70's. Hopefully this changes real soon!

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mark on July 31, 2019, 09:13:29 AM
Chevrolet's Corvette staff hit the 2020 model out of the ballpark. They designed a Corvette that competes with the worlds best yet will be much less expensive to maintain, looks fantastic, comfortable, quality materials, on and on. Buyers are standing in line. Actually priced below what anyone expected, a true sports car value, even bargain.

This is exactly what Harley needs to do with the touring line. Design and build a world beater with trademark Harley paint and chrome. Beautiful yet powerful, 150hp min. Offer the bikes like automakers offer cars. Start with base packages then offer the expensive electrical features as options. Customers should be able to build the bike they want from the factory.

This is what Harley needs to do if they wish to ignite sales. You can only stay in business so long selling products that don't compete. Ask GM back in the 70's. They thought buyers would buy GM regardless of the Japanese car competition. Currently Harley is behaving like GM in the 70's. Hopefully this changes real soon!

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I think what you're describing is a BMW K1600B...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on July 31, 2019, 09:41:09 AM
I think what you're describing is a BMW K1600B...
Bingo! I know, i bought one. It's a fantastic motorcycle.

That said, as a 28 year Harley owner I'd love seeing the motor company offer a competitive motorcycle.

BMW pays it's employees more, doesn't use parts from China, must ship from Germany. One of the biggest cost issues I'm aware of is dealer margin. BMW provides smaller dealer margins, thus, they have fewer dealers and more moderate facilities.  There is no reason Harley cannot compete if they really wanted to, hopefully they will.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: TN on July 31, 2019, 01:41:25 PM
Interesting fact here, corvettes that has a 4.125 piston is the same as in the HD 117 kit for the twin-cam. Or at the least the ring-pack is identical. Learned this from a mahle rep not long ago, anyone got there hands on a late model piston from a corvette?



Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Finster101 on August 01, 2019, 06:52:13 AM
Interesting fact here, corvettes that has a 4.125 piston is the same as in the HD 117 kit for the twin-cam. Or at the least the ring-pack is identical. Learned this from a mahle rep not long ago, anyone got there hands on a late model piston from a corvette?


And cost about the same to get eight of them instead of two for the bike.
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Post by: BigLew on August 01, 2019, 01:07:08 PM

And cost about the same to get eight of them instead of two for the bike.
I don't care who you are, that right there is funny!

BigLew
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 01, 2019, 08:48:16 PM
2020 Corvette stingray, MSRP 60K.  Latest in all technology.  Way better car then the 2019 with a minimal cost increase.

2020 CVO, minimal updates, old technology all for the low price of 42K.  OR with it go up again and be 43K.
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Post by: OBB on August 01, 2019, 08:52:53 PM
2020 Corvette stingray, MSRP 60K.  Latest in all technology.  Way better car then the 2019 with a minimal cost increase.

2020 CVO, minimal updates, old technology all for the low price of 42K.  OR with it go up again and be 43K.
NAILED IT!!

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 01, 2019, 10:51:12 PM
Rode a Triumph rocket TFC today...OMG.... you could hurt yourself on one of those....just sayin..........what a bike. Wow.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 01, 2019, 11:52:17 PM
Road a Triumph rocket TFC today...OMG.... you could hurt yourself on one of those....just sayin..........what a bike. Wow.
Riding a bike with great suspension and what feels like unlimited power is a real pleasure.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Twolanerider on August 02, 2019, 12:00:02 AM

Riding a bike with great suspension and what feels like unlimited power is a real pleasure.



Yeah, but who (really) wants to be completely satisfied.  We need flaws to allow us to always strive for greater.  Harley Davidson Motorcycle Company understands that need.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 02, 2019, 12:17:06 AM

Yeah, but who (really) wants to be completely satisfied.  We need flaws to allow us to always strive for greater.  Harley Davidson Motorcycle Company understands that need.
One thing i know for sure ( owned 12 new Harleys ) we do spend thousands after buying a new bike, never really reaching our goals ( speeking for myself  ). Competitors are now building bikes that perform, ride and handle pretty darn good off the showroom floor.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 02, 2019, 07:05:59 AM
Rode a Triumph rocket TFC today...OMG.... you could hurt yourself on one of those....just sayin..........what a bike. Wow.

I'm hoping our K'ville dealer gets their Rocket TFC in soon.  That is one heck of a good looking motorcycle and that motor... :2vrolijk_21: ...I am looking forward to seeing this one... ;D
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: yobtaf103 on August 03, 2019, 09:01:44 PM
I'm hoping our K'ville dealer gets their Rocket TFC in soon.  That is one heck of a good looking motorcycle and that motor... :2vrolijk_21: ...I am looking forward to seeing this one... ;D

TFC is the limited edition, they just released the GT & R standard production versions cheaper, ref youtube
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 04, 2019, 06:19:56 AM
TFC is the limited edition, they just released the GT & R standard production versions cheaper, ref youtube

Yup they only made 750 but it is a beautiful machine.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scotman623 on August 04, 2019, 05:26:40 PM
My father still has his original Rocket 3 the year it came out, I have ridden it several times.... The great news, He just put the brand new one on order... I will get to ride it... He also has his 2009 CVO RG 110 which is still in mint condition with over 40,000 miles on it, his triumph has over 30,000 miles and still runs strong too...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: TN on August 04, 2019, 06:14:28 PM
I bought a new 1995 Triumph Daytona 1200 and what a fine machine that was.  :orange:  :pineapple:

I'm gonna wait on a CVO Livewire.


Just Ride
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on August 05, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Went with a brother of mine wanting a second bike to the Indian Dealer this weekend.  I really like the moving windshield that comes on some models, Harley needs to make a Kit to add that to the Rushmore Touring Bikes and make them standard on the 2020 would be my vote.   :pepper:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mark on August 05, 2019, 09:09:05 AM
I agree on the adjustable windshield.  Most other touring bikes have had this feature for years.  However, HD would never introduce a retro kit.  It would be counter to selling new bikes and no doubt the consumer's cost would be prohibitively expensive.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: fastfreddy on August 05, 2019, 05:17:18 PM
Went with a brother of mine wanting a second bike to the Indian Dealer this weekend.  I really like the moving windshield that comes on some models, Harley needs to make a Kit to add that to the Rushmore Touring Bikes and make them standard on the 2020 would be my vote.   :pepper:
  MADSTAD  https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1461/7414/products/HD2015_12MG_02sm_1024x1024.jpg?v=1548134609 
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Post by: OBB on August 05, 2019, 10:46:50 PM
  MADSTAD  https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1461/7414/products/HD2015_12MG_02sm_1024x1024.jpg?v=1548134609 
POWER, adjustable windshield. lol
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Para Bellum on August 06, 2019, 01:56:26 AM
POWER, adjustable windshield. lol
Picky, picky.  lol
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 06, 2019, 06:59:24 AM
POWER, adjustable windshield. lol

Well, technically, it is powered...human powered... ;D
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: acevtwin on August 06, 2019, 11:17:01 AM
Anyone heard anything real yet? Something should be leaked by now.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: BigLew55 on August 06, 2019, 11:37:13 AM
Seen pics of a few 2020 Softails on another forum, so probably not many changes there.

The "New Arrivals" section of the HD P&A site shows some new paint designs on touring bikes.  While it doesn't list them as 2020 models, I would think it's likely that they are.  Assuming that, I didn't see anything different in the few pics they used to show the paint.  So I am taking an educated guess that the touring line isn't going to see any significant changes either.

We'll see in a few weeks.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: DCFIREMANN on August 06, 2019, 11:58:03 AM
The Pool Boy has been quiet lately.  Maybe he fell asleep or is bored?   :nixweiss:


He is actually sitting in the lunch room eating some BBQ that he made last weekend. And he is connected to the Mother Ships WIFI!!!!!

A few changes that I think some will enjoy and in 2 weeks I can talk about them. I may try to sneak a pic of a couple of bikes.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 06, 2019, 12:14:34 PM


He is actually sitting in the lunch room eating some BBQ that he made last weekend. And he is connected to the Mother Ships WIFI!!!!!

A few changes that I think some will enjoy and in 2 weeks I can talk about them. I may try to sneak a pic of a couple of bikes.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Sounds good.  :2vrolijk_21:

A BBQ theme bike would be different.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scotman623 on August 06, 2019, 12:15:34 PM
2020 HD bike lineup, pretty much the same as 2019
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Post by: scotman623 on August 06, 2019, 12:16:12 PM
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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: OBB on August 06, 2019, 12:37:08 PM
Curious as to why the CVO bikes are all listed a "new model"

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 06, 2019, 12:54:45 PM
2020 Mayhem (Red) Limited Custom Paint set available for 2014 and later Road King, Street Glide, and Road Glide models - with a matching Chopped Tour Pak available.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 06, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
2020 Quickshift (Green) Limited Custom Paint Set available for the 2018 and later Fat Bob 114 and Breakout 114, also available in Yellow and Orange variants.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: BigLew55 on August 06, 2019, 12:57:17 PM
That list is the same every year.  A few "magazine" websites take the previous list and append 2020 to the names and set it out there for web hits.  There's no factual basis for it, but they reel in folks who think it's legitimate anyway. 

We'll know for sure in a few weeks.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on August 06, 2019, 02:38:22 PM
My 3 year old nephew is getting his 1st Harley next month for his Birthday :2vrolijk_06:

Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 06, 2019, 08:41:11 PM
Curious as to why the CVO bikes are all listed a "new model"

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I find the strange.  Seems that if a major change to make them new models then the other touring bikes would get those changes. 
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: groupw on August 07, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
...... i think Scotsman's list is one'a those 'updated' 2019 lists.
.... it says there's gonna be an FLHTCU was well as an RGU (FLTRU) when we've all been told that the EG Ultra is going away & we're to get an LTD RG
....... as someone said earlier, we'll know in a couple weeks
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 07, 2019, 03:32:45 PM
The company has had this on their website for a while. 

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles.html (https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles.html)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Puzzled on August 08, 2019, 08:01:01 PM
2020 River Rock Gray Street Bob
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 12, 2019, 07:46:25 PM
Here is  proposed changes to the 2020 street Glide.    if just 25% of these take place I will be impressed / and surprised.  And I would want one.

Only one week to go...


https://youtu.be/MGFD5K3evxk/b]
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 12, 2019, 09:06:36 PM
Here is  proposed changes to the 2020 street Glide.    if just 25% of these take place I will be impressed / and surprised.  And I would want one.

Only one week to go...


https://youtu.be/MGFD5K3evxk/b]

He makes a lot of good and valid points. 
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 13, 2019, 05:44:11 AM
That guy should just save all the time, angst, and advice & get an Indian Chieftan, he promoted that bike enough already in his video.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ZVO on August 14, 2019, 12:52:21 AM
Here is  proposed changes to the 2020 street Glide.    if just 25% of these take place I will be impressed / and surprised.  And I would want one.

Only one week to go...


https://youtu.be/MGFD5K3evxk/b]

I’d love to call BS on just about everything this Guy says, did he run that fairing through a digital wind tunnel? Did he see how putting storage in that “dead space” area would be idiotic because anything you put in there would melt, did he think to say that space is there so your nuts don’t melt?

Cell phone space yes
Seat being outdated yes

Everything else meh...

The street glide is amazing,
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: GKroadking on August 14, 2019, 05:38:52 AM
Alleged changes for the 2020 Harley-Davidson Street Glide. LEAKED!  :coolblue:

https://youtu.be/b0mTETKsP60

A new frame for the Street Glide? I'm already curious, it does not take that long until the new models are presented
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 14, 2019, 08:44:45 AM
There is a EPA approvals website that shows the type of bikes and engines usually posted a few days before HD unveils the new year bikes.   Anyone have the Link.  I think it is California or Oregon.

Can’t find it
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 14, 2019, 12:46:04 PM
There is a EPA approvals website that shows the type of bikes and engines usually posted a few days before HD unveils the new year bikes.   Anyone have the Link.  I think it is California or Oregon.

Can’t find it


Here:  https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2020/2020.php (https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2020/2020.php)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 14, 2019, 10:18:00 PM
Here:  https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2020/2020.php (https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2020/2020.php)


Thanks. Looks like the most recent update is 8/9/19
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Aussie on August 15, 2019, 01:23:12 AM
By the looks of it there will be two options with engine size.
No mention of a CVO Road Glide??
CVO Street Glide
CVO Street Glide-Stage 1
CVO Tri Glide
CVO Tri Glide-Stage 1
CVO Ultra Limited
CVO Ultra Limited-Stage 1

Latest as of 12th August 2019.
https://www.epa.gov/compliance-and-fuel-economy-data/annual-certification-data-vehicles-engines-and-equipment
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 15, 2019, 05:47:12 AM
Any one wanna guess the CVO TRI GLIDE price?    I’ll guess $55,000
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 15, 2019, 09:05:11 AM
By the looks of it there will be two options with engine size.
No mention of a CVO Road Glide??
CVO Street Glide
CVO Street Glide-Stage 1
CVO Tri Glide
CVO Tri Glide-Stage 1
CVO Ultra Limited
CVO Ultra Limited-Stage 1

Latest as of 12th August 2019.

I agree ....No RoadGlide is a surprise for sure.       ;)
https://www.epa.gov/compliance-and-fuel-economy-data/annual-certification-data-vehicles-engines-and-equipment
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: michaelokielee@yahoo.com on August 15, 2019, 09:23:21 AM
By the looks of it there will be two options with engine size.
No mention of a CVO Road Glide??
CVO Street Glide
CVO Street Glide-Stage 1
CVO Tri Glide
CVO Tri Glide-Stage 1
CVO Ultra Limited
CVO Ultra Limited-Stage 1

Latest as of 12th August 2019.
https://www.epa.gov/compliance-and-fuel-economy-data/annual-certification-data-vehicles-engines-and-equipment

The CVO's will not have 2 engine options, the MOCO just present the Factory and Stage 1 to the EPA for approval, they will come unmodified.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 15, 2019, 11:06:21 AM
The CVO's will not have 2 engine options, the MOCO just present the Factory and Stage 1 to the EPA for approval, they will come unmodified.

I think this is the way they needed to certify them so they can come as 117 instead of 114.  This is exactly how they did it on the 2019s.  My 2019 SERG is a 117 (look at the information and even the derby covers) and it is the way it came. 
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Aussie on August 15, 2019, 06:42:57 PM
For those that cannot read .xlsx files here is a pdf version cut down from the original to show 2020 CVO models only.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Twolanerider on August 15, 2019, 07:53:58 PM
Even though Harley is notorious for not sharing horsepower ratings that spreadsheet actually has power output ratings.  That's a huge surprise (at least to me).  They've got it in kw but that's an easy conversion to get horsepower.  Actual info about a Harley from Harley, whoda-thunk-it.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 15, 2019, 08:52:11 PM
For those that cannot read .xlsx files here is a pdf version cut down from the original to show 2020 CVO models only.


INTERESTING THAT THERE IS 12 LISTED FOR CVO STREET GLIDE 8)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 16, 2019, 09:01:44 PM
Any one wanna guess the CVO TRI GLIDE price?    I’ll guess $55,000
At that price you would be smarter to buy the 2020 Mid engine corvette for 60,000.  It will hold its value better also
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: OBB on August 17, 2019, 07:30:46 AM
At that price you would be smarter to buy the 2020 Mid engine corvette for 60,000.  It will hold its value better also
My thoughts also.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Pan1 on August 17, 2019, 11:51:13 PM
From the lack of chatter about the 2020 models should tell the MoCo something. Overall lack of interest in problem prone bikes.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Aussie on August 18, 2019, 06:03:00 AM
From the lack of chatter about the 2020 models should tell the MoCo something. Overall lack of interest in problem prone bikes.

I must admit I have been holding off from an M8 with the known problems.
Would be interesting to know the percentage of M8 failures vs production numbers.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: gpopvet on August 18, 2019, 11:47:43 AM
I am hoping for a CVO RG Ultra and no 21” front wheel I hated my 19 and want another RG, just my.02.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 18, 2019, 05:36:59 PM
It appears to be the week of August 19 in Milwaukee

Based on previous years,
when does the website get updated.  I think after day 2 (Tuesday) but not sure.  Anyone know? :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mjb765 on August 18, 2019, 06:06:40 PM
Based on previous years,
when does the website get updated.  I think after day 2 (Tuesday) but not sure.  Anyone know? :nixweiss:


Should be updated by Tuesday
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: BigLock on August 19, 2019, 07:41:15 PM
List is on CARB now
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: GregKhougaz on August 19, 2019, 10:37:57 PM
According to CARB, the list of certified CVO models include the returning CVO Street Glide and the CVO Ultra Limited, with the new CVO Tri Glide replacing the CVO Road Glide.   :'(

Electra Glide Ultra Classic And Other Models Missing From 2020 Harley-Davidson EPA Certifications (https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/electra-glide-ultra-classic-and-other-models-missing-from-2020-harley-davidson-epa-certifications.html)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: OBB on August 20, 2019, 06:18:02 AM
Stolen from the RG site. Spy pix of what MIGHT be a CVO Trike. Notice the exhaust and the two antennas denoting a CB installed.

Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: porthole on August 20, 2019, 08:42:37 AM
Stolen from the RG site. Spy pix of what MIGHT be a CVO Trike. Notice the exhaust and the two antennas denoting a CB installed.

Harley - CVO - spy pic ?

All in the same post  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 20, 2019, 08:46:21 AM
the website is currently being updated to show the 2020s
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: GB506 on August 20, 2019, 09:00:39 AM
According to CARB, the list of certified CVO models include the returning CVO Street Glide and the CVO Ultra Limited, with the new CVO Tri Glide replacing the CVO Road Glide.   :'(

Electra Glide Ultra Classic And Other Models Missing From 2020 Harley-Davidson EPA Certifications (https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/electra-glide-ultra-classic-and-other-models-missing-from-2020-harley-davidson-epa-certifications.html)

Resale value on '18 and '19 CVO Road Glides just went up....
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 20, 2019, 09:40:42 AM
Well the site is still updating but from what I have seen so far....A Big YAWN as far as colors on CVOs go
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 20, 2019, 09:50:59 AM
Whomever guessed a CVO tri glide at $50K ain't that far off...$48,999

...and of course since it's "new" and a "limited edition", you can count on the fine, upstanding dealers out there (not all of them but some) to add another $5K to $10K to that 'cause they can...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: porthole on August 20, 2019, 09:59:46 AM
Well, another year I am safe from buying a new bike.  :cherry:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 20, 2019, 10:03:20 AM
Well, another year I am safe from buying a new bike.  :cherry:

Agreed...and so glad I went the direction I did a few months ago.

....and let me be the first to say...wonder what Harley will have in store for the 2021 models... ;D :huepfenjump3: :bananarock: :nervous: :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: GKroadking on August 20, 2019, 10:22:01 AM
Well, another year I am safe from buying a new bike.  :cherry:

me too  :-X and a CVO Street Glide without a lower fairing is absolutely unusual  :'(
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: JonMac on August 20, 2019, 10:26:19 AM
I didn't see a Road Glide CVO on the website.  I find that strange.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: OBB on August 20, 2019, 10:32:25 AM
From a dealer in Ontario.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 20, 2019, 10:32:54 AM
me too  :-X and a CVO Street Glide without a lower fairing is absolutely unusual  :'(

But they did increase the price a bit just to make up for that elimination... :huepfenjump3:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 20, 2019, 11:16:05 AM
From what I have seen the only colors I like are the two tone Orange and Silver and two tone Blue and Black on the Special touring family bikes.

Aint digging the CVO's at all....
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: acevtwin on August 20, 2019, 11:25:32 AM
More Non CVO type paint jobs on the CVO's. ho hum
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: noharley on August 20, 2019, 11:32:09 AM
Resale value on '18 and '19 CVO Road Glides just went up....

My take as well...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 20, 2019, 11:39:39 AM
Who is painting the dam CVOs now?? I aint seen paint schemes like that since the last time I watched an "A Team" rerun..

https://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/amt-6616.htm
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mjb765 on August 20, 2019, 11:49:08 AM
Well, another year I am safe from buying a new bike.  :cherry:

Agreed...not buying this year either......my '15 looks better and better
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Phreakyz on August 20, 2019, 12:29:38 PM
Well the 2020 CVOs should go down in history as the rarest ones of all....   Because no one is going to buy one!

Ugh!
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Fier23 on August 20, 2019, 12:34:37 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=18JIHdrg9Rc


Jeremy 2019 Street Glide CVO Black Forest
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: rayson56 on August 20, 2019, 12:38:10 PM
Now, be nice. As we all know the paint and color schemes look much better in person. Some will love the idea of throttle and brake mitigation, but I must agree that at first look they seem pretty underwhelming. I too am ecstatic that we Road Glide enthusiasts have been lifted to elite status!!  :2vrolijk_21: ;D
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: KGB on August 20, 2019, 12:42:23 PM
me too  :-X and a CVO Street Glide without a lower fairing is absolutely unusual  :'(

Don't worry, they will offer the lowers in the P&A catalog  ???
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 20, 2019, 12:56:46 PM
Who is painting the dam CVOs now?? I aint seen paint schemes like that since the last time I watched an "A Team" rerun..

https://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/amt-6616.htm

Agreed. First impression of 2020 CVO paint - 1980s.  Except from my memory, they did that 80s look better back in the 80s.

(https://squir.com/media/magictoolbox/magic360/cache/871x653/25dbfc6cb7c5d9bce2121c23163c3676/g/m/gmc_vandura_a_team_-0000.jpg)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrafxr on August 20, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
Totally underwhelmed.  Sure hope the paint looks better in person because the in the photos the paint looks awful.
Title: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: GQ_Knuckle_Draggerz on August 20, 2019, 01:29:54 PM
Who the heck comes up with these colors?  Willie G must be off the wagon (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/943092bea0380e9669b9bb5b68da12f9.jpg)
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190820/8a04c7cca26775eef1065c3781e87d6b.jpg)

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Royalroadie on August 20, 2019, 01:33:30 PM
The paint jobs on the CVOs looks like something from 1978-1984 FUGLY!!!
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 20, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Actually I was wrong in my thinking..

The 2020 paint looks more like the Ford Free Wheeling Package vintage 1978 or so

Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 20, 2019, 01:39:54 PM
Agreed...and so glad I went the direction I did a few months ago.

....and let me be the first to say...wonder what Harley will have in store for the 2021 models... ;D :huepfenjump3: :bananarock: :nervous: :2vrolijk_21:

LOL. GUESS WE CAN CHANGE THIS THREAD TO 2121. Lots of boring CVO colors with the famous stuck on logo ...SERIOUSLY  >:(

The grey and black tri-glide looks good though
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 20, 2019, 01:44:21 PM
me too  :-X and a CVO Street Glide without a lower fairing is absolutely unusual  :'(

No lowers and no chrome....???
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: porthole on August 20, 2019, 01:47:36 PM
So this will be the first year of CVO's that Daytona Harley lowers the price $10,000?
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 20, 2019, 01:48:43 PM
LOL. GUESS WE CHANGE CHANGE THIS THREAD TO 2121. Lots of boring CVO colors with the famous stuck on logo ...SERIOUSLY  >:(

The grey and black tri-glide looks good though

Those with older CVOs have classics.  Looks like each year the CVO paint gets more generic, uninspiring, and plainer. 

On the other hand will be interesting to see if the newer HD smaller engine bikes sell well.  That is one way they can build their future - by getting riders earlier on to buy HDs.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 20, 2019, 01:49:19 PM
Who is painting the dam CVOs now?? I aint seen paint schemes like that since the last time I watched an "A Team" rerun..

https://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/amt-6616.htm


NO KIDDING.....WHERE IS WILLIE G. WHEN WE NEED HIM :-\
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 20, 2019, 01:53:03 PM
The new Rider Assist features look ok enough, but not ok enough to get me to consider one, if I could get past the 2020 paint, and I couldn't do that so...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: porthole on August 20, 2019, 01:57:51 PM
The new Rider Assist features look ok enough, but not ok enough to get me to consider one, if I could get past the 2020 paint, and I couldn't do that so...

Just looked through all the colors. They are the dullest of paint choices.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 20, 2019, 02:15:51 PM
The new Rider Assist features look ok enough, but not ok enough to get me to consider one, if I could get past the 2020 paint, and I couldn't do that so...

I read through their list of Reflex Defensive Rider Systems (RDRS) on the website.  While it's great they are working to offer such, the only thing that I consider what I "need" out of all that electronic aid stuff is the hill assist.  That could come in handy in some situations on our hills/mountain stop signs in East TN.  The rest of it is nice but not something I had been dreaming of.  Still, to be positive, they are doing something... :)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: rayson56 on August 20, 2019, 02:21:16 PM
Actually I was wrong in my thinking..

The 2020 paint looks more like the Ford Free Wheeling Package vintage 1978 or so


Can you say AMF style vintage paint jobs? lol
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: porthole on August 20, 2019, 02:21:55 PM
hill assist.  That could come in handy .....


I'm surprised it has taken this long. The technology has been there since ABS brakes.
I've had it in my truck since 2010
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: iski on August 20, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
Just looked through all the colors. They are the dullest of paint choices.

Silent Grey Fellow was about 1914.  They could be heading back to that 1 choice, and after looking at this year's offerings it might not be such a bad idea.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ACfixer on August 20, 2019, 03:20:26 PM
Some of the blacked out schemes of the non-CVO RG "limited" now (not ultra) look pretty nice. And with 117 still being the CVO offering? Jeeeze I'd go $13K less and get a blacked out RGL with the 114. Also it looks like they dropped the twin-cool from the '20 lineup except on the 117.

Pretty disappointing I have to say. Hanging on to my '15 RGU for another year won't hurt a bit. :D
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 20, 2019, 03:35:43 PM
I am in agreement

IF I were looking to buy any new Harley right now it would not be a CVO..I would rather have one of the Specials, either a Street Glide or Road King in the Blue/Black over any of the CVOs

Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Fired00d on August 20, 2019, 04:03:02 PM
I am in agreement

IF I were looking to buy any new Harley right now it would not be a CVO..I would rather have one of the Specials, either a Street Glide or Road King in the Blue/Black over any of the CVOs
Road King Special in Orange/Black (of course). ;D

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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: carrmat on August 20, 2019, 06:22:45 PM
Road King Special in Orange/Black (of course). ;D

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
That striping scheme is terrible.  It's like one guy designed the front and another guy the back.  And why do they put those stupid big #1's on there.  I'd be fine with it if you could take them off but it looks like a kids toy.  Said it about the 18 or 19 cvos with them on the tank too. 

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Fired00d on August 20, 2019, 06:29:29 PM
That striping scheme is terrible.  It's like one guy designed the front and another guy the back.  And why do they put those stupid big #1's on there.  I'd be fine with it if you could take them off but it looks like a kids toy.  Said it about the 18 or 19 cvos with them on the tank too. 

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May not be for you... but it's a lot better looking then what they put on the CVO's this year. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Twolanerider on August 20, 2019, 07:03:05 PM
May not be for you... but it's a lot better looking then what they put on the CVO's this year. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

I've learned to reserve judgment based solely on the online pics.  The colors often present much better in person in the sunlight than the pictures ever suggest they might.

This one, whether you like the color palette or not, at least has some boldness going for it.  That's more than can said for a lot of the bike graphics the last several years.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Finster101 on August 20, 2019, 07:10:14 PM
I am glad I'm not in the market for one.  Harley's choices on colors has been lacking for some time now and not just on the CVOs.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: rayson56 on August 20, 2019, 07:40:57 PM
Even though I'm not in the market, I'm still anxious to check them out in person.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Yellow09SERG on August 20, 2019, 07:41:20 PM

Can you say AMF style vintage paint jobs? lol

The AMF days may be closer than we think even without the paint
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Fired00d on August 20, 2019, 07:51:57 PM
I've learned to reserve judgment based solely on the online pics.  The colors often present much better in person in the sunlight than the pictures ever suggest they might.

This one, whether you like the color palette or not, at least has some boldness going for it.  That's more than can said for a lot of the bike graphics the last several years.
Don totally agree with you... the online pictures in the past have not done justice to some of the CVO paint/color schemes. However as you mention the orange/black paint set I referred to does have the boldness factor going for it (in the online picture) that many have come to expect out of CVO paint schemes.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: BostonboyDH on August 20, 2019, 08:34:28 PM

 Just buy one and ship it to PUZZLED He'll make it right!!!
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 20, 2019, 08:55:44 PM
The AMF days may be closer than we think even without the paint

Brother you are absolutely right.

If the clowns that are currently pulling the strings don't do something to turn the MOCO around soon, it's gonna make the AMF days look good.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Threephase on August 20, 2019, 09:05:42 PM
You would think that they would have their website ready for the 2020 launch. Some models are spec'd metrically, others in english units and some have a mix of both on the same page.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: bbrown on August 20, 2019, 11:29:39 PM
My take as well...
yup
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: DCFIREMANN on August 21, 2019, 01:45:19 AM
I've learned to reserve judgment based solely on the online pics.  The colors often present much better in person in the sunlight than the pictures ever suggest they might.

This one, whether you like the color palette or not, at least has some boldness going for it.  That's more than can said for a lot of the bike graphics the last several years.


They look a lot better in person. A few of them will really surprise you.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Aussie on August 21, 2019, 02:34:42 AM

They look a lot better in person. A few of them will really surprise you.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Out of the 2020 CVO colours my pick is,
Street Glide, Smoky Gray & Black Hole
Tri Glide, Black Stardust w/Magnetic Gray & Wicked Red
Ultra Limited, Moonlight Blue & Deep Sea Blue

A bit pricey in Australia though.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: D-N-D on August 21, 2019, 06:20:45 AM
2020 CVO Street Glide No Lowers are you kidding me. The Pricing is always going up and you get less No Chrome , No Speakers in the lowers because there not there. Nothing Special about the CVO'S anymore ? I like when they painted the frames the color of the bike on the CVO'S.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Jswerve on August 21, 2019, 06:31:12 AM
G A R B A G E

Fire the whole design team. SSDY
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: TN on August 21, 2019, 07:20:23 AM
At least they redesigned the oil pump again, I like the HDdata plan too, it's free the first year. Glad I did a rebuild of my old 2009. I'm still holding out for the CVO livewire.  :drink:

Still a rumor that sumping is fixed with new oil pump, HD data plan will use info to void the warranty if they spot modifications.

Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 21, 2019, 02:18:05 PM
I really really hope this is the fix for sumping, the periodic sumping issue with certain M8 motors has been a problem far too long as it is......

If this does turn out to be the fix then HD needs to recall and replace all M8 pumps from 17 through 19....Like that would ever happen...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 21, 2019, 02:42:30 PM
At least they redesigned the oil pump again, I like the HDdata plan too, it's free included with the purchase of a new H-D™ Connect equipped motorcycle the first year. Glad I did a rebuild of my old 2009. I'm still holding out for the CVO livewire.  :drink:



I fixed your quote, TN.  Also, it's $150/year after that first one which seems a bit high but hey, that's Harley for ya.  I just bought a CPO vehicle (car) that had their app/data plan included for the entire warranty period which is 6 years. Youda thunk Harley would at least include it during the two year warranty... :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 21, 2019, 09:20:17 PM
Road King Special in Orange/Black (of course). ;D

 :pumpkin:
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Fired00d
 :fireman:

At least with this they tried to do some thing different and a bit bold.  I think its better than the CVO's  Wont know for sure until I see them all in person.

However they do specials with nice paint like this, why buy a CVO?
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 22, 2019, 12:15:04 AM
I'm surprised it has taken this long. The technology has been there since ABS brakes.
I've had it in my truck since 2010
My 18 BMW K1600 B has the hill hold feature and many more than found on a CVO. For close to half the money.

Was really hoping Harley would bring out a competitive touring machine. New paint options is not what drives me anymore. I like to actually ride.

Still love Harleys, have purchased 12 new ones including CVO. Hopefully they will offer a compelling model soon??

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Kingspoke on August 22, 2019, 03:05:36 AM
My 18 BMW K1600 B has the hill hold feature and many more than found on a CVO. For close to half the money.

Was really hoping Harley would bring out a competitive touring machine. New paint options is not what drives me anymore. I like to actually ride.

Still love Harleys, have purchased 12 new ones including CVO. Hopefully they will offer a compelling model soon??

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I sold my '12 CVO Ultra early summer and bought a K1600(GA) bagger as well, mainly because after 40 plus years of riding Harley's and a bad back, I needed something with a little more suspension.  I had installed Ohlins front and back, but with only 3" or rear travel on these kommiefornia roads it wasn't enough.

Never thought I would like shift pro, reverse, hill hold, adaptive headlight, nor though I would care for suspension on the fly (dampening settings for 1up, 2up, & luggage), but it kind of spoils you.  Still if Harley were to come out with a better suspension like Indian or BMW (Both have 4.5" rear travel), I would love to be on a Harley touring bike again.  I think the CVO's have gotten too pricey vs the non CVO touring bikes, for what you're getting. I would love an Ultra limited in scorched orange, or zephyr blue with blacked out scheme.

Maybe next year when the Pan American is released, it for sure will have the travel suspension.  Looks, ..... well, we'll have to see!

The Hill Hold works if you're going up or down steep hills, like I encounter in S.F.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 22, 2019, 08:06:04 AM
I sold my '12 CVO Ultra early summer and bought a K1600(GA) bagger as well, mainly because after 40 plus years of riding Harley's and a bad back, I needed something with a little more suspension.  I had installed Ohlins front and back, but with only 3" or rear travel on these kommiefornia roads it wasn't enough.

Never thought I would like shift pro, reverse, hill hold, adaptive headlight, nor though I would care for suspension on the fly (dampening settings for 1up, 2up, & luggage), but it kind of spoils you.  Still if Harley were to come out with a better suspension like Indian or BMW (Both have 4.5" rear travel), I would love to be on a Harley touring bike again.  I think the CVO's have gotten too pricey vs the non CVO touring bikes, for what you're getting. I would love an Ultra limited in scorched orange, or zephyr blue with blacked out scheme.

Maybe next year when the Pan American is released, it for sure will have the travel suspension.  Looks, ..... well, we'll have to see!

The Hill Hold works if you're going up or down steep hills, like I encounter in S.F.
Would you keep the GA and add the Harley or trade?

I'm also in Northern California, hope to see ya out there.

Personally i would have bought a new Harley over the BMW if the comparison was even close. Now, i gotta say, the K1600 B 6cyl. With 160hp is pretty addicting. Add the suspension, ride, handling it would be hard going back.



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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Kingspoke on August 22, 2019, 12:23:35 PM
Would you keep the GA and add the Harley or trade?

I'm also in Northern California, hope to see ya out there.

Personally i would have bought a new Harley over the BMW if the comparison was even close. Now, i gotta say, the K1600 B 6cyl. With 160hp is pretty addicting. Add the suspension, ride, handling it would be hard going back.



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I don't put enough miles on the bikes to keep two bikes, but I have to say, since I've been riding the K1600 bagger, I've been putting twice the miles than I would have on my Harley, due to the "Road" (cushy) suspension setting.  My bike has every option available (including forged wheels, bars, & Austin Yellow) and was 25K OTD!  Harley on the other hand has better paint, more metal, better audio, backlit controls, better bags/tour pack, interior lighting for bags, etc.  Does it amount to an 18K difference?  No, not in my opinion, especially given the level of performance & tech. right out of the box on the K bagger (style, sound, & customization, aside).

I agree with you it becomes increasingly difficult to go back to Harley, & I've only had the K bagger for a couple of months.  I would go with one or the other, depending on what Harley comes up with, but we'll see, next year.  I wouldn't trade with those pirate salesman though! :verkleidung056:

(I don't know, but does Harley have forged wheels on their 44K CVOs?)
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 22, 2019, 02:57:48 PM
King; the yellow GA is my favorite GA. You have a great bike. Seriously doubt Harley is going to make the kinda frame and suspension upgrates to deliver. Then you have the M8, doesn't compare with the 1600cc 6cyl we have.


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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: blacktop on August 22, 2019, 07:05:21 PM
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Kingspoke on August 22, 2019, 07:16:56 PM
King; the yellow GA is my favorite GA. You have a great bike. Seriously doubt Harley is going to make the kinda frame and suspension upgrates to deliver. Then you have the M8, doesn't compare with the 1600cc 6cyl we have.


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Thank you!  No doubt a very good performer and very competitive with the Road Glide Limited in price. 
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: tazmun on August 22, 2019, 07:27:42 PM
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.

Well, that's a tough question to answer, but I had a gentleman I worked with for over 25 years, and that's all he rode.
I know he went all over the country and put on a minimum of 150k on each of the 4 he had. I know he would take 2 long trips every year, hit all the off beat places, plus ride them to work an average 10 months a year. He lived 38 miles
from work. He was never stranded on the road. The latest 2 I heard he purchased, were a 1200 Adventure, and
a K1600 GT!  I know he had a few recalls on the K1600, but that's it!
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Kingspoke on August 22, 2019, 08:01:46 PM
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.

That's a very good question.  Thus far the longest I ridden thus fare was from L.A. the dealership to my home in Nor Cal.  BMW like Harley has he 24 hr roadside assistance, but Harley has a clear advantage imo, with so many dealerships.  I guess you would also need to compare the details of the two Roadside assistance programs

Hopefully some heavy mileage BMW convert will give a comprehensive response.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Bav on August 24, 2019, 07:11:48 AM
Looks like they have dropped the Street Glide and Road Glide Standards here in the UK. There are only 7 Touring bikes in the line up but in the US you have 9?


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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 24, 2019, 08:31:27 AM
That's a very good question.  Thus far the longest I ridden thus fare was from L.A. the dealership to my home in Nor Cal.  BMW like Harley has he 24 hr roadside assistance, but Harley has a clear advantage imo, with so many dealerships.  I guess you would also need to compare the details of the two Roadside assistance programs

Hopefully some heavy mileage BMW convert will give a comprehensive response.
I have taken my BMW K1600 B on rides that covered thousands of miles. All without issue. The last thing on my mind was the location of the nearest dealer. That's one of the big difference's. It's kind of a thing to stop at Harley dealers on a trip to buy a T-shirt, shot glass, whatever. That's not so much a thing with BMW riders, at least in my experience. They stop if something is needed.

I've stopped at many Harley dealers while touring and enjoyed the experience, especially back before all the dealerships became fancy. It was enjoyable.

Sorry, I've gotten off track

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: fastfreddy on August 24, 2019, 12:19:08 PM
 who dosnt need a new T-shirt   :nixweiss: …. and I only HAD to stop once in 90k miles at a dealer for repairs while on the road (stator took a dump)... I must be one of the exceptions
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: VaEagle on August 24, 2019, 12:25:41 PM
who dosnt need a new T-shirt   :nixweiss:
I don't...after cleaning out my drawers and closet  had enough t-shirts to make three quilts for me, my wife and a spare as well as one small one for my grandkids as a play blanket.....  :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 24, 2019, 01:53:48 PM
who dosnt need a new T-shirt   :nixweiss: …. and I only HAD to stop once in 90k miles at a dealer for repairs while on the road (stator took a dump)... I must be one of the exceptions
Generally, todays bikes are pretty darn reliable. In 28 years of HD riding and 12 different bikes, only had one ever strand me and that was a 1990 Fat Boy. Pretty good record of reliability.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on August 24, 2019, 02:38:00 PM
"IF" I were in the market for a new 2020 Harley Motorcycle, it would be a Road Glide Limited of some sort with the blacked out option. Other than that, No thank you MoCo!!!



YB
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mjb765 on August 25, 2019, 12:42:31 AM
"IF" I were in the market for a new 2020 Harley Motorcycle, it would be a Road Glide Limited of some sort with the blacked out option. Other than that, No thank you MoCo!!!



YB


Saw an Ultra Limited today at the dealer and I am seriously thinking about it---but I need to ride a Road Glide first (I have never been on one) ....may end up with a Road Glide Limited. It will keep my CVO Street Glide company. 
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 25, 2019, 08:48:26 AM
What color are you looking at Mike?

I'm digging the Zephyr Blue/Black Sunglo
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: JoeVibe on August 25, 2019, 09:07:13 AM
What color are you looking at Mike?

I'm digging the Zephyr Blue/Black Sunglo

My dealer rolled out the 2020's Friday night. This was the only bike that caught my eye. Not enough to trade but it's a nice looking bike. I think it looked even better in person.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mark on August 25, 2019, 09:44:26 AM
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.
If concerned about having a dealer in every little town, then you're probably forever limited to either a HD or Honda.  I don't think BMW riders are worried about having a dealer in every town...same goes for KTM riders. 

Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: mjb765 on August 25, 2019, 12:27:39 PM
What color are you looking at Mike?

I'm digging the Zephyr Blue/Black Sunglo

yep..me too...this one...I'm going to ride one today and then seriously think about it

Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: Phreakyz on August 26, 2019, 06:47:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqKrMwtciFY&feature=push-sd&attr_tag=FbkB6S4JV3LvetmT%3A6
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: T-Roy on August 26, 2019, 10:17:08 AM
I wonder if part of the reason for going to this satin chrome type finish crap is to make it harder to find an aftermarket exhaust slip-on or maybe even harder fo a complete aftermarket exhaust with the forks being the same satin finish crap!!
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: SHRADER on August 26, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
A friend of mine was down in Maryville at the Shed Saturday night. I texted him to see if they had anything in the Zephyr Blue/Back Sunglo yet.

He sent me a couple of pictures of a Street Glide Special....I liked it a lot...
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: CCW RIDER on August 28, 2019, 11:40:06 PM
So sad the cvo's are getting uglier by the year and going up in price. The way of the world less bang for your buck.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: RivRaptor on August 29, 2019, 12:19:31 PM
"The way of the world, less bang for your buck"

Myself & a buddie stopped by a local HD dealer to look @ the new models and although they had no CVO's yet and things missing from the CVO SG have been mentioned by myself & others in various posts. We seemed to notice many things missing from 19' to 20' on the Specials on the dealer floor.  No diversion doors in the vents, no heal shifter, no paint on inner fairing areas and so on!  Man they are stripping these things!  It makes you wonder what you can't see!  :(
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: TNCarters on August 29, 2019, 08:04:56 PM
Worked a dealer demo day last Saturday riding sweep most of the day on the 2020’s.  They let us take a different 2020 out each ride.  Did not have any CVO’s yet.  Liked both the 114 Limiteds and the RK.  Did not see anything yet to make me trade my 2015 CVO RGU.  Got a surprise on the first demo ride.  Pulling out of the parking lot went to hit heal shifter and there’s not one.  The lever shaft appears to be long enough to add a heal shifter.  I also hear they have dropped to one keyless fob.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2019, 10:15:20 PM
Worked a dealer demo day last Saturday riding sweep most of the day on the 2020’s.  They let us take a different 2020 out each ride.  Did not have any CVO’s yet.  Liked both the 114 Limiteds and the RK.  Did not see anything yet to make me trade my 2015 CVO RGU.  Got a surprise on the first demo ride.  Pulling out of the parking lot went to hit heal shifter and there’s not one.  The lever shaft appears to be long enough to add a heal shifter.  I also hear they have dropped to one keyless fob.
BMW has also gone to one keyless key fob. They do give you an emergency plastic key that can be used if you lost the fob.

Wonder if they got rid of the heel shifter to keep riders from putting to much pressure on the tranny? I've seen guys hit the heel shifter with excessive power, thinking it looked cool i guess.

Anyone that wants a heel shifter will find plenty of expensive options.

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Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 30, 2019, 07:31:34 AM
So sad the cvo's are getting uglier by the year and going up in price. The way of the world less bang for your buck.

I agree with most things, but not everything.  Good example, the 14 Corvette Stingray was more bang for the buck than the 13 Corvette, it handled way better, quicker, and interior was more comfortable and better fit and finish.  For just 1000 dollars more

From everything I read the 2020 mid engine blows the 19 Stingray way in power, handling, comfort, and materials.  Again for just 1000 more than the 19. 

Just the opposite of harley, more money for less features and less quality.
Title: Re: 2020 THOUGHTS, IDEAS ,RUMORS
Post by: load97 on August 30, 2019, 01:17:15 PM
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.

One of my guys at work that retired this past March has driven BMW's since he was 16 or so. Still has his original bike even. He's made that Beamer list of who ride the most miles a year, granted he's like 50-100 on the list (lol) the last I remember him saying. He also made the cover of the Beamer magazine back in the 70's I think it was. Had snow in the background if I remember right. He was pretty proud of that. Brought in the magazine to show us one day.

His biggest gripe is not enough dealerships. Something he's commended HD for. Twice that I know of, he's had to use an HD dealership for Beamer parts. One was a wheel bearing I believe he said (while in Sturgis). Not sure of the other part. The BMW dealership didn't stock a wheel bearing that he had on his old 1987 BMW. Apparently quite a few years of  Beamer bikes used it. He found a close enough match at HD to get him home.

He just bought a 2004 Beamer for his retirement present, so I don't know what he keeps on that bike. But on his 1987, he carried an extra driveshaft, tire plugs, extra clutch cable (he later zip tied it next to the one on the bike (lol), spark plugs & tools to yank the wheels or driveshaft off the bike.

So to wrap it up. He's very disappointed in the amount of BMW dealership's as well as the parts they stock in general. (yea I know his bikes are pretty old). He generally rides with guys on HD's.