Price increase....
For the CVOs: Less exotic (and less costly to produce) paint schemes will continue. The chrome-monster CVOs of the past will not reappear in 2020...the blacked out theme will continue (which is also less costly to produce). No new bikes introduced. Maybe a "new" Sportster or Softail...offering some cosmetic changes, i.e., different headlight, exhaust, wheels. May see a less costly - basic no-frills Softail or Sportster (like the new no-frills tourer).
Color matched tires. Green bikes get green tires, red bikes get red tires, blue bikes get blue tires.......'Bout time.......it was so unfair that black bikes got matching tires!
And electric kick stands.
Rumors: Great album by Fleetwood Mac.
^^
You forgot:
Don't Stop (Riding the Servicar)
Songbird (splatting on the Servicar windshield)
and, of unknown infamy,
Oh Daddy (let's do it in the Servicar)
The new model to be introduced this year will be called Hindsight.For 2020, after its 4th production year, HD will still be trying to get the M8 right...while Indian introduces a water-cooled 120 hp fixed fairing bagger with adjustable wind screen, electronic bag locks, radial Brembo disc brakes, variable ride modes, traction control, varible valve timing, electronic adjustable suspension, inverted front forks, and cornering ABS.
For 2020, after its 4th production year, HD will still be trying to get the M8 right...while Indian introduces a water-cooled 120 hp fixed fairing bagger with adjustable wind screen, electronic bag locks, radial Brembo disc brakes, variable ride modes, traction control, varible valve timing, electronic adjustable suspension, inverted front forks, and cornering ABS.
HD will be bragging about adding a vent tube.
For 2020, after its 4th production year, HD will still be trying to get the M8 right...while Indian introduces a water-cooled 120 hp fixed fairing bagger with adjustable wind screen, electronic bag locks, radial Brembo disc brakes, variable ride modes, traction control, varible valve timing, electronic adjustable suspension, inverted front forks, and cornering ABS.
HD will be bragging about adding a vent tube.
All the features you listed on the 2020 Indian are included on the 2019 BMW K1600 B except for no inverted shocks, variable valve timming, along with many more features like clutchless shifting and 160hp, not 120hp. All for about 40 percent less than a CVO.
Fortunately for Harley, CVO buyers are not concerned with competition, value or any other factors other than the name on the bike, how it sounds and looks to them, along with acceptance. ( this is a poke at myself for buying a certain CVO ) being honest with myself.
The fact is, buying a motorcycle is not a logical decision. We do it for emotional reasons, each man or woman has there own. Far be it from me to say anyone is wrong. It's that emotional tie that keeps Harley going, a tie that no other manufacturer enjoys to the same degree.
When we ask what 2020 will bring? It will be whatever Harley thinks is necessary to maintain there advantage. Harleys are in a lane of there own, you either get it and accept what comes with it or you don't.
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Actually my post was meant to be hyperbole. Other than an adjustable wind screen, inverted forks, radial disc brakes, varible ride modes, electric bag locks, and 120 hp, I have no idea what else the Indian bike will have. My point is IM isn't sitting on its rear end, trying to live in yesteryear, hanging onto an outdated power plant. I still see nothing in the HD lineup that's going to appeal to the millenial rider. The IM fixed fairing bike will be their 3rd water-cooled bike. The new FTR 1200 hit IM dealers this week. I'm afraid the 2020 HD line up will just be more of the same, sans any real changes.
All the features you listed on the 2020 Indian are included on the 2019 BMW K1600 B except for no inverted shocks, variable valve timming, along with many more features like clutchless shifting and 160hp, not 120hp. All for about 40 percent less than a CVO.
Fortunately for Harley, CVO buyers are not concerned with competition, value or any other factors other than the name on the bike, how it sounds and looks to them, along with acceptance. ( this is a poke at myself for buying a certain CVO ) being honest with myself.
The fact is, buying a motorcycle is not a logical decision. We do it for emotional reasons, each man or woman has there own. Far be it from me to say anyone is wrong. It's that emotional tie that keeps Harley going, a tie that no other manufacturer enjoys to the same degree.
When we ask what 2020 will bring? It will be whatever Harley thinks is necessary to maintain there advantage. Harleys are in a lane of there own, you either get it and accept what comes with it or you don't.
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Actually my post was meant to be hyperbole. Other than an adjustable wind screen, inverted forks, radial disc brakes, varible ride modes, electric bag locks, and 120 hp, I have no idea what else the Indian bike will have. My point is IM isn't sitting on its rear end, trying to live in yesteryear, hanging onto an outdated power plant. I still see nothing in the HD lineup that's going to appeal to the millenial rider. The IM fixed fairing bike will be their 3rd water-cooled bike. The new FTR 1200 hit IM dealers this week. I'm afraid the 2020 HD line up will just be more of the same, sans any real changes.Your absolutely correct! Harley will stay the road they have been on for a long, long, time.
found the pool boy,,, not a cvo but a blacked out road glide limited .... yup LIMITED don't tell any bodyMy sales manager already told me He can order one for me like that. I need to see the colors first to decide. Add a couple of goodies like power locks and an XM module, I should be good to go and still 12k under CVO money. I like my CVO, but that money part is getting old. They just don't seem as elite as they once were.
I assume a limited comes with leg fairings.......if so count me in.I'm guessing at this. Lowers, Heated grips and painted inner fairing. Not sure what else comes on the cyclops limited but I'm sure it will be comparable.
Some of the 2020's will come with bat wing fairings and some will have shark nosed fixed fairings. Some will have no fairingsNailed it!
They will all have the same frame, bags, engines, brakes, tanks, suspension, and someone will agonize for months on which one is the "right one for them".
Variations of handlebars and seats, pegs and floor boards, handlebars and grips, depending on model....all which will need to be replaced by owner to personalize for individual fit.
They will all run hot and lean which can be fixed with a tuner which will VOID your warranty.
There will be several stereo issues and syncing problems of various types.
There will be several discussions on which oil is best for the 2020 motor.
Not one person under 35-40 years old will care.
At least one model will be targeted at the female market.
I would like a new designed crash bar I can install matching lowers and keep the Fang Fairing :pepper:
I would like the option of ordering a new Streetglide with a BMW 1600 engine fitted with an exhaust system that makes it sound like a twin cylinder Harley.You can get a sweet sounding exhaust system for the K1600B, sounds more like a formula race car. The K1600B or bagger is a good looking bike as well in my opinion. Has more performance features than a CVO for half the price. The best one is the clutchless quick shifter. Really not fair to compare with a Harley, they are different animals. Love them both for what they are.
I personally think they will come with the softail type frame probably the same but modified to take the extra electrics of the tourers. Upside down front end. The new turning daymaker headlights and possibly with the new heads up display thats coming on the livewire... :cucumber:
I would like a new designed crash bar I can install matching lowers and keep the Fang Fairing :pepper:
Our local dealership tried this. Once the lowers are installed the larger front tire will hit the lowers at certain turn angles
I heard from a pretty good source a VERY LIMITED CVO trike run will be in 2020.
Our local dealership tried this. Once the lowers are installed the larger front tire will hit the lowers at certain turn anglesPlease let us know what clueless dealer this is, so we do not go there by mistake.
Me too. Kinda Willie G look after his trike special design. That would be cool but roomers in Wi are alway there this time of year.
BTW IF IT IS REAL. SO WILL BE THE PRICE
Yeah they said it would be mid to upper $50’s.I hope this was posted as humor? Mid to upper $50s? About the cost of a fully loaded, top of the line, pickup. If true, no thanks.
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I hope this was posted as humor? Mid to upper $50s? About the cost of a fully loaded, top of the line, pickup. If true, no thanks.
I hope this was posted as humor? Mid to upper $50s? About the cost of a fully loaded, top of the line, pickup. If true, no thanks.
Tims HD in Augusta is the dealership that told me they tried to install lowers and it would not work. A pic is worth a 1,000 words. ThanksTell Peewee in the service department to log in here and check out the pix.
Well not from the rumor mill but the motors will be larger!!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Please better colors and lots of chrome. Not into the black
Sure hope you’re right
When I was picking up my CVO RG this past Friday I asked the owner about some 2020 information... She showed me the color chart but HQ have not told them which colors for what models yet.. She also stated the only true new models For 2020 are the Live wire, Some adventure bike which will not be released til early fall, She is thinking they will badge it a 2021 because of later release... Not sure what the CVO models will be again, SO really not much news at this time!!! Thanks HD for giving us the electric bike all your true followers were asking for!!! LOL LOL...I just don't get it; the touring line is Harley's bread and butter, way overdue for a frame and suspension redesign, what do they invest in? A overpriced electric bike and adventure model? The competition in these two sectors are fierce to say the least.
The MOCO does not seem to be worried about their loyal customers. All the clothing line ads and motorcycle ads feature individuals that look like no one I ever run across while out riding.
I just don't get it; the touring line is Harley's bread and butter, way overdue for a frame and suspension redesign, what do they invest in? A overpriced electric bike and adventure model? The competition in these two sectors are fierce to say the least.
Guess they figure you can milk the baby boomers for a while longer without updating products while investing in models for non traditional buyers. Does Harley really think they will steal many BMW GS riders? BMW has only been perfecting this bike for 10+ years, number one adventure bike in the world. Then you have great adventure bikes from Honda, Yamaha, KTM, Triumph. Why even try swimming in that pond? Stick to what you do best and improve it to the highest standards.
But what do i know? Just a 28 year Harley customer that recently bought a BMW K1600 B or bagger. It pained me to do it but couldn't ignore the difference in motorcycles. Not knocking Harley, still love them but not blindly.
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I agree. I own a Harley and a BMW GS. The GS is the market leading Adventure bike and I would not consider the H-D alternative. I want the Harley for what it is. It’s the DNA of the Harley that attracts me to it. I also own a BSA, a Honda and an airhead BMW. They all have their charms and that’s why I’ve got them. What next a Land Rover 1 litre city car? Know your market!!!!Try the K1600B or Bagger. I bought one, the 6cyl is amazing in a motorcycle. I've yet to need more power. You start to pass, look down and your 100+ without trying.
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Pretty sure JR and Chuck are the only two that might fit in the new "slim fit" line as far as guys that I know that ride.
Clothing models don't come in our sizes :huepfenlol2: !
I agree with all the comments made above. Been riding 50+ years and own 3 Harleys now, all bought new ('84 FXRS, '95 Road King with S&S 113, Baker 6-spd, Bandit Superclutch, PM calipers, etc., and an '09 CVO Ultra). Have ridden all over North America and Europe and have two major trips scheduled right now. Point is ... "yes" I'm an aging baby boomer ... but I'm still a serious motorcyclist with disposable income.Bingo! From a fellow HD rider that feels the same way about the K1600B or Bagger.
Was hoping to replace my '09 CVO with an M8 version, but figured I'd wait to make sure all the bugs were worked out of design and that maybe Harley would upgrade the suspension, etc. Ha! Saw reviews on the new BMW K1600B and decided to test ride it. Holy $hit! This thing is so far advanced by any objective performance and feature measure vs. what Harley is offering that it is incomprehensible unless you try one out. 6,500+ miles of smiles on it now. Love my Harleys, but I've been exposed to a whole new world of performance biking and I can't see The Motor Company ever catching up. They are too busy designing "Slim Fit" clothes for Millennial's and third world consumers.
THOUGHTS about 2020..... probly going to be more BMW owners on the board here than HD owners, :nixweiss: just a thought
THOUGHTS about 2020..... probly going to be more BMW owners on the board here than HD owners, :nixweiss: just a thought
That trike is SHARP!!!
:huepfenlol2:Could not agree more! There was a time when i was 100% loyal to Harley. In the late 80's and early 90's most Harley dealers were small, real motorcycle dealerships. We called them "the shop". It actually felt like family, a great time.
I was just thinking how many harley tattoos are now being seen on the rider of a BMW motorcycle.
Not saying theres anything wrong with that...I find myself wearing HD branded gear on my BMW from time to time.
Always makes me smile, life is good if you have owned or own multiple motorcycles and have the freedom to ride whatever brand you choose.
Could not agree more! There was a time when i was 100% loyal to Harley. In the late 80's and early 90's most Harley dealers were small, real motorcycle dealerships. We called them "the shop". It actually felt like family, a great time.
Once dealers were required to build million dollar facilities the focus changed. Now, it's just about the dollar, many sold to car dealerships that run them the same as if you were buying a new Toyota.
This change opened my eyes to other bikes, ultimately to my BMW K1600 B. It's the bike i always dreamed of. Perfect? No, but much closer.
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Sorry just realized I went on a rant!
I just like motorcycles and riding.
It feels like the MOCO is targeting someone different than me.
Sorry just realized I went on a rant!Again; I'm 100% with you. The dealers really want that 35 year old that's never owned a Harley. That new rider ( many not all ) will spend thousands on attire, spend thousands to add power, suspension, on and on. Harley will finance the whole ball of wax. Then this new rider can dress up like he's in SOA they have no clue what a 1% club really means and the commitment.
I just like motorcycles and riding.
It feels like the MOCO is targeting someone different than me.
Looking to 2020, i hope Harley comes out with a new touring line that excites like Chevrolet did with the 2020 Corvette.There is no way Harley would come out and update everything about the Touring bike, with no carry over parts like the 2020 Corvette. Nice dream though.
I think this says it all
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There is no way Harley would come out and update everything about the Touring bike, with no carry over parts like the 2020 Corvette.
........ why not ?
.. they did just that w/the Softail family
...... and there'd be lots of opportunity for carry-over on the manufacturing side (which the bean counters just love :pepper:) if not the consumer
This year there will be lots of great paint colors and design. The M8 issues resolved. Chrome will be back. The executives and stockholders are forgoing all pay increases and bonuses to decrease the pricing by 15%. All new bikes get 15% off parts.
Sorry I just woke up from a dream.....DAM🤬
It's Damn
....... i'd'a never believed there'd ever be an 'epithet cop'
2021 CVO Servicar :pepper: :coolblue:
It's Damn
Just think, we are only a few days away frommaking fun ofmaking witty/satirical remarkslamenting the imminent demise of the MoCo due to ________(whatever about the 2021 models)creating unfounded rumors and wild speculations about the 2021 HD models.
:pepper:
:huepfenlol2:
I was just thinking how many harley tattoos are now being seen on the rider of a BMW motorcycle.
Not saying theres anything wrong with that...I find myself wearing HD branded gear on my BMW from time to time.
Always makes me smile, life is good if you have owned or own multiple motorcycles and have the freedom to ride whatever brand you choose.
Paved roads are for sissies, a new lifestyle for sale
limited production Yamaharley
The Pool Boy has been quiet lately. Maybe he fell asleep or is bored? :nixweiss:He's over at the Indian display in Sturgis... ::)
The Pool Boy has been quiet lately. Maybe he fell asleep or is bored? :nixweiss:
Well, unfounded rumors based on completely idle speculation and dreamed up wild ideas about the new HD bikes that have no probable bearing on their actual reality would be appreciated anyway, dammit.
I am so sorry (said no one here ever :huepfenlol2: ) .
Indian is going to build a Servicar.
He's over at the Indian display in Sturgis... ::)
...probably to catch a glimpse of the new Challenger...
https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2020-indian-challenger-leaked-from-dealer-meeting.html
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Wow.. the Indian display in Sturgis will be packed to see the 2020s. Meanwhile the Harley tent will be showing year old bikes and offering free haircuts like last year, in a desperate attempt to draw people. Brilliant 🤪
Say it ain't so.... :nervous:
It ain't so.
But the 2020 Infotaintment Center will be changed to display just the ambient fairing temperature. In Celsius only.
Not (completely true). If you left thumb click (twice) followed by a right thumb press up once then a right thumb down followed by both thumbs pressing in (simultaneously) for 2.5 seconds (+/- .25 sec) this will deploy the (analog) rain gauge from the left side of the inner fairing.
Yeah. Unless you have the bug splatter detector/counter activated, then this sequence will count the number of bug splatters by color & size..
Ok, you two just got WAY too much spare time on your hands...
I thought the color option was a Screamin Eagle accessory :nixweiss: ?
Looking to 2020, i hope Harley comes out with a new touring line that excites like Chevrolet did with the 2020 Corvette.
I think this says it all
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Chevrolet's Corvette staff hit the 2020 model out of the ballpark. They designed a Corvette that competes with the worlds best yet will be much less expensive to maintain, looks fantastic, comfortable, quality materials, on and on. Buyers are standing in line. Actually priced below what anyone expected, a true sports car value, even bargain.
damn it's a ferrari....!!!!
Well said Scott
Chevrolet's Corvette staff hit the 2020 model out of the ballpark. They designed a Corvette that competes with the worlds best yet will be much less expensive to maintain, looks fantastic, comfortable, quality materials, on and on. Buyers are standing in line. Actually priced below what anyone expected, a true sports car value, even bargain.
This is exactly what Harley needs to do with the touring line. Design and build a world beater with trademark Harley paint and chrome. Beautiful yet powerful, 150hp min. Offer the bikes like automakers offer cars. Start with base packages then offer the expensive electrical features as options. Customers should be able to build the bike they want from the factory.
This is what Harley needs to do if they wish to ignite sales. You can only stay in business so long selling products that don't compete. Ask GM back in the 70's. They thought buyers would buy GM regardless of the Japanese car competition. Currently Harley is behaving like GM in the 70's. Hopefully this changes real soon!
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Chevrolet's Corvette staff hit the 2020 model out of the ballpark. They designed a Corvette that competes with the worlds best yet will be much less expensive to maintain, looks fantastic, comfortable, quality materials, on and on. Buyers are standing in line. Actually priced below what anyone expected, a true sports car value, even bargain.
This is exactly what Harley needs to do with the touring line. Design and build a world beater with trademark Harley paint and chrome. Beautiful yet powerful, 150hp min. Offer the bikes like automakers offer cars. Start with base packages then offer the expensive electrical features as options. Customers should be able to build the bike they want from the factory.
This is what Harley needs to do if they wish to ignite sales. You can only stay in business so long selling products that don't compete. Ask GM back in the 70's. They thought buyers would buy GM regardless of the Japanese car competition. Currently Harley is behaving like GM in the 70's. Hopefully this changes real soon!
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I think what you're describing is a BMW K1600B...Bingo! I know, i bought one. It's a fantastic motorcycle.
Interesting fact here, corvettes that has a 4.125 piston is the same as in the HD 117 kit for the twin-cam. Or at the least the ring-pack is identical. Learned this from a mahle rep not long ago, anyone got there hands on a late model piston from a corvette?
I don't care who you are, that right there is funny!
And cost about the same to get eight of them instead of two for the bike.
2020 Corvette stingray, MSRP 60K. Latest in all technology. Way better car then the 2019 with a minimal cost increase.NAILED IT!!
2020 CVO, minimal updates, old technology all for the low price of 42K. OR with it go up again and be 43K.
Road a Triumph rocket TFC today...OMG.... you could hurt yourself on one of those....just sayin..........what a bike. Wow.Riding a bike with great suspension and what feels like unlimited power is a real pleasure.
Riding a bike with great suspension and what feels like unlimited power is a real pleasure.
One thing i know for sure ( owned 12 new Harleys ) we do spend thousands after buying a new bike, never really reaching our goals ( speeking for myself ). Competitors are now building bikes that perform, ride and handle pretty darn good off the showroom floor.
Yeah, but who (really) wants to be completely satisfied. We need flaws to allow us to always strive for greater. Harley Davidson Motorcycle Company understands that need.
Rode a Triumph rocket TFC today...OMG.... you could hurt yourself on one of those....just sayin..........what a bike. Wow.
I'm hoping our K'ville dealer gets their Rocket TFC in soon. That is one heck of a good looking motorcycle and that motor... :2vrolijk_21: ...I am looking forward to seeing this one... ;D
TFC is the limited edition, they just released the GT & R standard production versions cheaper, ref youtube
Went with a brother of mine wanting a second bike to the Indian Dealer this weekend. I really like the moving windshield that comes on some models, Harley needs to make a Kit to add that to the Rushmore Touring Bikes and make them standard on the 2020 would be my vote. :pepper:MADSTAD https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1461/7414/products/HD2015_12MG_02sm_1024x1024.jpg?v=1548134609
MADSTAD https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1461/7414/products/HD2015_12MG_02sm_1024x1024.jpg?v=1548134609POWER, adjustable windshield. lol
POWER, adjustable windshield. lolPicky, picky. lol
POWER, adjustable windshield. lol
The Pool Boy has been quiet lately. Maybe he fell asleep or is bored? :nixweiss:
He is actually sitting in the lunch room eating some BBQ that he made last weekend. And he is connected to the Mother Ships WIFI!!!!!
A few changes that I think some will enjoy and in 2 weeks I can talk about them. I may try to sneak a pic of a couple of bikes.
Be Safe
THE DAWG
Curious as to why the CVO bikes are all listed a "new model"I find the strange. Seems that if a major change to make them new models then the other touring bikes would get those changes.
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Here is proposed changes to the 2020 street Glide. if just 25% of these take place I will be impressed / and surprised. And I would want one.
Only one week to go...
https://youtu.be/MGFD5K3evxk/b]
Here is proposed changes to the 2020 street Glide. if just 25% of these take place I will be impressed / and surprised. And I would want one.
Only one week to go...
https://youtu.be/MGFD5K3evxk/b]
There is a EPA approvals website that shows the type of bikes and engines usually posted a few days before HD unveils the new year bikes. Anyone have the Link. I think it is California or Oregon.
Can’t find it
Here: https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2020/2020.php (https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2020/2020.php)
By the looks of it there will be two options with engine size.
No mention of a CVO Road Glide??
CVO Street Glide
CVO Street Glide-Stage 1
CVO Tri Glide
CVO Tri Glide-Stage 1
CVO Ultra Limited
CVO Ultra Limited-Stage 1
Latest as of 12th August 2019.
I agree ....No RoadGlide is a surprise for sure. ;)
https://www.epa.gov/compliance-and-fuel-economy-data/annual-certification-data-vehicles-engines-and-equipment
By the looks of it there will be two options with engine size.
No mention of a CVO Road Glide??
CVO Street Glide
CVO Street Glide-Stage 1
CVO Tri Glide
CVO Tri Glide-Stage 1
CVO Ultra Limited
CVO Ultra Limited-Stage 1
Latest as of 12th August 2019.
https://www.epa.gov/compliance-and-fuel-economy-data/annual-certification-data-vehicles-engines-and-equipment
The CVO's will not have 2 engine options, the MOCO just present the Factory and Stage 1 to the EPA for approval, they will come unmodified.
For those that cannot read .xlsx files here is a pdf version cut down from the original to show 2020 CVO models only.
Any one wanna guess the CVO TRI GLIDE price? I’ll guess $55,000At that price you would be smarter to buy the 2020 Mid engine corvette for 60,000. It will hold its value better also
At that price you would be smarter to buy the 2020 Mid engine corvette for 60,000. It will hold its value better alsoMy thoughts also.
From the lack of chatter about the 2020 models should tell the MoCo something. Overall lack of interest in problem prone bikes.
It appears to be the week of August 19 in Milwaukee
Based on previous years,
when does the website get updated. I think after day 2 (Tuesday) but not sure. Anyone know? :nixweiss:
Stolen from the RG site. Spy pix of what MIGHT be a CVO Trike. Notice the exhaust and the two antennas denoting a CB installed.
According to CARB, the list of certified CVO models include the returning CVO Street Glide and the CVO Ultra Limited, with the new CVO Tri Glide replacing the CVO Road Glide. :'(
Electra Glide Ultra Classic And Other Models Missing From 2020 Harley-Davidson EPA Certifications (https://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/electra-glide-ultra-classic-and-other-models-missing-from-2020-harley-davidson-epa-certifications.html)
Well, another year I am safe from buying a new bike. :cherry:
Well, another year I am safe from buying a new bike. :cherry:
me too :-X and a CVO Street Glide without a lower fairing is absolutely unusual :'(
Resale value on '18 and '19 CVO Road Glides just went up....
Well, another year I am safe from buying a new bike. :cherry:
me too :-X and a CVO Street Glide without a lower fairing is absolutely unusual :'(
Who is painting the dam CVOs now?? I aint seen paint schemes like that since the last time I watched an "A Team" rerun..
https://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/amt-6616.htm
Agreed...and so glad I went the direction I did a few months ago.
....and let me be the first to say...wonder what Harley will have in store for the 2021 models... ;D :huepfenjump3: :bananarock: :nervous: :2vrolijk_21:
me too :-X and a CVO Street Glide without a lower fairing is absolutely unusual :'(
LOL. GUESS WE CHANGE CHANGE THIS THREAD TO 2121. Lots of boring CVO colors with the famous stuck on logo ...SERIOUSLY >:(
The grey and black tri-glide looks good though
Who is painting the dam CVOs now?? I aint seen paint schemes like that since the last time I watched an "A Team" rerun..
https://www.modelroundup.com/product-p/amt-6616.htm
The new Rider Assist features look ok enough, but not ok enough to get me to consider one, if I could get past the 2020 paint, and I couldn't do that so...
The new Rider Assist features look ok enough, but not ok enough to get me to consider one, if I could get past the 2020 paint, and I couldn't do that so...
Actually I was wrong in my thinking..
The 2020 paint looks more like the Ford Free Wheeling Package vintage 1978 or so
hill assist. That could come in handy .....
Just looked through all the colors. They are the dullest of paint choices.
I am in agreementRoad King Special in Orange/Black (of course). ;D
IF I were looking to buy any new Harley right now it would not be a CVO..I would rather have one of the Specials, either a Street Glide or Road King in the Blue/Black over any of the CVOs
Road King Special in Orange/Black (of course). ;DThat striping scheme is terrible. It's like one guy designed the front and another guy the back. And why do they put those stupid big #1's on there. I'd be fine with it if you could take them off but it looks like a kids toy. Said it about the 18 or 19 cvos with them on the tank too.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
That striping scheme is terrible. It's like one guy designed the front and another guy the back. And why do they put those stupid big #1's on there. I'd be fine with it if you could take them off but it looks like a kids toy. Said it about the 18 or 19 cvos with them on the tank too.May not be for you... but it's a lot better looking then what they put on the CVO's this year. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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May not be for you... but it's a lot better looking then what they put on the CVO's this year. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Can you say AMF style vintage paint jobs? lol
I've learned to reserve judgment based solely on the online pics. The colors often present much better in person in the sunlight than the pictures ever suggest they might.Don totally agree with you... the online pictures in the past have not done justice to some of the CVO paint/color schemes. However as you mention the orange/black paint set I referred to does have the boldness factor going for it (in the online picture) that many have come to expect out of CVO paint schemes.
This one, whether you like the color palette or not, at least has some boldness going for it. That's more than can said for a lot of the bike graphics the last several years.
The AMF days may be closer than we think even without the paint
My take as well...yup
I've learned to reserve judgment based solely on the online pics. The colors often present much better in person in the sunlight than the pictures ever suggest they might.
This one, whether you like the color palette or not, at least has some boldness going for it. That's more than can said for a lot of the bike graphics the last several years.
They look a lot better in person. A few of them will really surprise you.
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THE DAWG
At least they redesigned the oil pump again, I like the HDdata plan too, it'sfreeincluded with the purchase of a new H-D™ Connect equipped motorcycle the first year. Glad I did a rebuild of my old 2009. I'm still holding out for the CVO livewire. :drink:
Road King Special in Orange/Black (of course). ;D
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Fired00d
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I'm surprised it has taken this long. The technology has been there since ABS brakes.My 18 BMW K1600 B has the hill hold feature and many more than found on a CVO. For close to half the money.
I've had it in my truck since 2010
My 18 BMW K1600 B has the hill hold feature and many more than found on a CVO. For close to half the money.
Was really hoping Harley would bring out a competitive touring machine. New paint options is not what drives me anymore. I like to actually ride.
Still love Harleys, have purchased 12 new ones including CVO. Hopefully they will offer a compelling model soon??
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I sold my '12 CVO Ultra early summer and bought a K1600(GA) bagger as well, mainly because after 40 plus years of riding Harley's and a bad back, I needed something with a little more suspension. I had installed Ohlins front and back, but with only 3" or rear travel on these kommiefornia roads it wasn't enough.Would you keep the GA and add the Harley or trade?
Never thought I would like shift pro, reverse, hill hold, adaptive headlight, nor though I would care for suspension on the fly (dampening settings for 1up, 2up, & luggage), but it kind of spoils you. Still if Harley were to come out with a better suspension like Indian or BMW (Both have 4.5" rear travel), I would love to be on a Harley touring bike again. I think the CVO's have gotten too pricey vs the non CVO touring bikes, for what you're getting. I would love an Ultra limited in scorched orange, or zephyr blue with blacked out scheme.
Maybe next year when the Pan American is released, it for sure will have the travel suspension. Looks, ..... well, we'll have to see!
The Hill Hold works if you're going up or down steep hills, like I encounter in S.F.
Would you keep the GA and add the Harley or trade?
I'm also in Northern California, hope to see ya out there.
Personally i would have bought a new Harley over the BMW if the comparison was even close. Now, i gotta say, the K1600 B 6cyl. With 160hp is pretty addicting. Add the suspension, ride, handling it would be hard going back.
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King; the yellow GA is my favorite GA. You have a great bike. Seriously doubt Harley is going to make the kinda frame and suspension upgrates to deliver. Then you have the M8, doesn't compare with the 1600cc 6cyl we have.
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For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.
That's a very good question. Thus far the longest I ridden thus fare was from L.A. the dealership to my home in Nor Cal. BMW like Harley has he 24 hr roadside assistance, but Harley has a clear advantage imo, with so many dealerships. I guess you would also need to compare the details of the two Roadside assistance programsI have taken my BMW K1600 B on rides that covered thousands of miles. All without issue. The last thing on my mind was the location of the nearest dealer. That's one of the big difference's. It's kind of a thing to stop at Harley dealers on a trip to buy a T-shirt, shot glass, whatever. That's not so much a thing with BMW riders, at least in my experience. They stop if something is needed.
Hopefully some heavy mileage BMW convert will give a comprehensive response.
who dosnt need a new T-shirt :nixweiss:I don't...after cleaning out my drawers and closet had enough t-shirts to make three quilts for me, my wife and a spare as well as one small one for my grandkids as a play blanket..... :huepfenlol2:
who dosnt need a new T-shirt :nixweiss: …. and I only HAD to stop once in 90k miles at a dealer for repairs while on the road (stator took a dump)... I must be one of the exceptionsGenerally, todays bikes are pretty darn reliable. In 28 years of HD riding and 12 different bikes, only had one ever strand me and that was a 1990 Fat Boy. Pretty good record of reliability.
"IF" I were in the market for a new 2020 Harley Motorcycle, it would be a Road Glide Limited of some sort with the blacked out option. Other than that, No thank you MoCo!!!
YB
What color are you looking at Mike?
I'm digging the Zephyr Blue/Black Sunglo
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.If concerned about having a dealer in every little town, then you're probably forever limited to either a HD or Honda. I don't think BMW riders are worried about having a dealer in every town...same goes for KTM riders.
What color are you looking at Mike?
I'm digging the Zephyr Blue/Black Sunglo
Worked a dealer demo day last Saturday riding sweep most of the day on the 2020’s. They let us take a different 2020 out each ride. Did not have any CVO’s yet. Liked both the 114 Limiteds and the RK. Did not see anything yet to make me trade my 2015 CVO RGU. Got a surprise on the first demo ride. Pulling out of the parking lot went to hit heal shifter and there’s not one. The lever shaft appears to be long enough to add a heal shifter. I also hear they have dropped to one keyless fob.BMW has also gone to one keyless key fob. They do give you an emergency plastic key that can be used if you lost the fob.
So sad the cvo's are getting uglier by the year and going up in price. The way of the world less bang for your buck.
For those that have the BMW....are you concerned about the availability of dealerships to service your bike. I hear that dealerships are few and far between. That would be my only concern in buying one.