Coming from Harley, that is so well known for using it's customers as guinea pigs.....do you really want the lives of your group to rely on this?Well said.
Coming from Harley, that is so well known for using it's customers as guinea pigs.....do you really want the lives of your group to rely on this?
Not so deep thoughts...reading this thread makes me wonder:
Is it more fun to complain about Harley not taking the lead and innovating or complaining about it when they do? :nixweiss:
Adaptive cruise control is a good idea, will be interested to see how it works. Am not expecting perfection, all systems (even plain old cruise control) need rider management & to think otherwise is a very bad idea, but this feature could help on those longer rides when not in front.
Good point. I do worry though that all the automation the auto industry is adding will make things worse, as people who already don't pay enough attention to what's going on around them will assume they don't have to pay any attention at all. One case in point, Tesla's Auto Pilot feature that has figured prominently in some major crashes and loss of life when the rocket scientists driving them thought they could take a nap at 80 mph or spend time working on their laptops or reading an e-book.All good points.
Consider if you will that cars and trucks with all the latest adaptive cruise control, automatic braking, lane keeping, etc., all rely on camera's, radar, or sonar sensors that can be defeated by a simple rain or snow storm as well as plain old road grime. If every driver was a highly trained pilot who always followed checklists and scanned instruments for signs of trouble, not a big problem because the vehicles are supposed to alert the driver when a system goes down due to sensor issues. I think we all know the vast majority of the people behind the wheel on the roads these days are the polar opposite of that highly trained pilot. And on another note, even in vehicles with attentive drivers, we have had numerous reports of system failures such as the Nissan's that apply the emergency braking feature for no reason. Slamming on the brakes in traffic for no reason is a good way to have another vehicle introduce itself to your vehicle's posterior. Hopefully it won't be a tractor-trailer.
Jerry
I'm with Mark and Jerry on this. I'm also glad the MoCo is looking at things to bring them closer to the other brands in technology.
Iski, the past shows we are the unpaid test pilots for Harley and that I don't appreciate. Until that changes, we can and should gripe. The numerous "updates" to just the infotainment system alone is justification.
If auto or cycle manufactures choose to put all this stuff on their product, more power to them as long as each comes with an off button so that those of us that don't want nanny interfering can shut it off... ;D
The "cars that drive themselves" problem is due in large part to all the other vehicles on the roadways that do not drive themselves. If all vehicles were on some sort of "auto pilot" then the chances of mishaps could be lessened, as long as they communicated with each other.
And hopefully I will be old, dead and in the ground before that happens. When I want to drive, I want to drive. Not let some "system" do all that for me. Same with riding a motorcycle. And let's not forget that the current iteration of avionics is not without issues. The Boeing 737 Max, is a perfect example. The pilots don't really fly the plane with "stick and rudder", they respond to a "computer system" that feeds them data for which they make the necessary adjustments. And when the computer system reads incorrect information about air speed and forces the plane into a dive,....well we know what happens.
All I'm saying is that I want to ride the motorcycle, I don't want the motorcycle to ride me. I want to vary the speed in traffic using throttle and rear brake. On my own I want to scan five car lengths ahead to read traffic. I want to lane split using my skills of judging time and distance to either work my way through cars, or hold back till an opening is created.
Some advancements I like, such as fuel injection, electronic ignition, and ABS. Some I don't like, such as linked braking. When I want to apply rear brake, I only want rear brake. I don't want some "computerized braking system" automatically applying the front brake too. When I want front brake, I'll use front brake.
I don't want to surrender control of the bike. I prefer to use my own judgement. I'm strange that way.
If Harley really wanted to make an improvement, they should put in a motorized windshield on the Ultras and RoadGlides. Just like BMW, Yamaha, and the new GoldWings.
I couldn't agree more! I think a better use of their innovation would be to fix the known issues, in my case I would like to see my bike not "waggle" at freeway speeds or not charge me $50 bucks (parts) to fix a fluid transfer issue. . That would be innovation I could bet behind!
Yeah, it’ll end up being a subscription service option. :drink:
Awesome! Way to go HD!
If they get it right, this is a feather in their cap.
If you are going negative on this than I hope you are not riding and using a cruise control on your current ride. If so you are a Hypocrite!
This is going to be as much of an improvement as cruise was compared to a throttle lock.
Don't bash HD for making improvements and options!
I have NOT been a supporter of HD as of late) because of their reliability and the lack of quality compared to the price tag.
But I will give them huge kudos for this!
If you don't want it, Don't buy it or if it comes on your bike don't use it, but for the love of GOD don't bash them for trying to make improvements!!
Better suspension, Better factory engine performance and reliability, and these kind of improvements will have me back on an HD in a minute.
I want electronic suspension and better power and he11 yes give me the modern technology.
I am always amazed at how many people want to keep HD antique with air cooled motors and carbs and that kind of BS. Give me the cool look with the modern touches and reliability.
Personally glad to see them making an effort.