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Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« on: July 27, 2010, 09:12:42 PM »

My 09 has a bad front end wobble during deceleration. Its almost a tank slapper. Bike has 6k miles on it. Local Harley just put new front tire on, still has wobble. Anyone else have this ? any ideas ? Neck bearings ? :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2010, 09:22:00 PM »

My 09 has a bad front end wobble during deceleration. Its almost a tank slapper. Bike has 6k miles on it. Local Harley just put new front tire on, still has wobble. Anyone else have this ? any ideas ? Neck bearings ? :nixweiss: :nixweiss:


i guess neck bearings.



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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2010, 09:30:23 PM »

Something is pretty serious if the wobble is at those speeds.

Usually wheel balance is what I would start with at those speeds.

Tire pressure?

cupped tire?

can you increase speed and drive out of the wobble?

 
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2010, 09:43:10 PM »

Bike does not wobble at slower speeds or higher speeds. Brand new tire less than 100 miles. Still have problem. cant be tire pressure,cupped tire or balancing. 2nd tire , same problem.
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2010, 09:53:20 PM »

Bearings must be shot or loose
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2010, 10:50:49 PM »

shot at 6000 miles ??
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2010, 09:08:50 AM »


Definitely get the steering head bearings checked out.  Make sure they are properly lubed, and have the fall away checked.  There were numerous reports of improperly adjusted and/or loose bearings on the '09 models.  There also was a specification change for the stem nut torque if I remember correctly.  And yes, if the bearings have been excessively loose for 6000 miles they might be shot (bearings and/or races tend to get beaten to death when loose).   

"cant be tire pressure,cupped tire or balancing. 2nd tire , same problem."    What tire pressure are you running?  And how does a new tire eliminate tire pressure as a possible cause?   Also, since when does having a dealer install a new tire mean your wheel and tire are now automatically true and properly balanced?  Do you have any idea how many bikes go back to their owner's after a tire change with the exact same wheel weights as when the bike left the factory?  Don't believe me, mark each weight and take a photo before your next tire change, then take a look after.  And I seem to remember a problem with more than a few wheels on SERK's with improper machining resulting in excessive runout; could happen on any wheels.  My point is, these things all need to be considered and checked as part of a proper diagnostic procedure.  Something is setting off the vibration.  And if the head bearing preload isn't correct, the front end geometry won't effectively dampen the side to side motion.  Fix the head bearing issue and you may see a big improvement, but that doesn't necessarily mean that was the root cause.  Just like in medicine, you can just treat the symptoms, but it's best to find the root cause and eliminate it.


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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2010, 09:14:38 AM »

Had the same problem at about 55 and again around 35mph.  Took it to the dealer and they tightened neck bearing and changed tire but still persisted.  It only happened with little or no grip in the handlebars...say just with my fingertips barely touching and I could tell it would get progressively worse if let continue.  

The bike had the tourpak on and when we took it off, the wobble disappeared!  Dealer didn't have any ideas but I think its the overall balance of the bike with solo rider + tourpak and I sit pretty far back as well.  I haven't noticed it lately and I've also switched to WO517 bars.

If you're running the tourpak, take it off and test it. There was a previous thread on here about it as well.  let us know and good luck.

P.S.  Dealer told me not to ride with hands off handlebars...sheesh :nixweiss:

  
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2010, 09:56:37 AM »

HAD Same prob once. new tire - balance and had rim trued. prob went away
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2010, 10:36:34 AM »

I also had that wobble at the same speed with new tires. I suspected flaw in front tire and after having it balanced twice I asked for it to be measured and there was a small imperfection. New tire all better. Hope you get it fixed soon.
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2010, 02:26:58 PM »

Ditto what Jerry said.  (#6, above).
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2010, 07:32:15 PM »

Thanks for the input. Forgot to mention the problem started about 500 miles ago. never had the problem for the first 5500 miles. Thats why i thought it was maybe a tire issue. As i already stated , new tire did not fix it. I will take it to the stealer to check neck bearings.
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2010, 11:05:26 PM »

shot at 6000 miles ??
Or out of adjustment and no grease
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2010, 12:28:04 AM »

Make sure the neck bearing grease is full. Should be coming out the bottom.

Because of wobble I had mine at one HD who said it was air pressure. (I had checked day before.)

Problem persisted, took to another HD who said neck bearings needed 3 clicks, neck bearings needed lubed, and front tire was cupped.

Huge improvement.

At 10K needed more neck bearing grease until coming out bottom.
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Re: Front End wobble at 45-50 mph
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 12:19:38 PM »

Also, to mitigate cupping, run TP at max cold pressure 40 psi front and 41 rear...(I think)
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