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Custom Vehicle Discussions => Screamin’ Eagle® Ultra Classic® Electra Glide® => Topic started by: Goin Mobile on December 28, 2006, 12:53:38 AM
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I recently had a discussion with a friend who has a very nice 1200 Sportster about our bikes. He commented that the Sportster was meant for the mountain roads and that the Ultra was primarily for the multi-lane slabs. Being new to the Ultra and being polite with a friend I didn't argue the point. I just described a very slow twisty mountain road I recently rode with the Ultra. My thought is that the Sportster can take the mountain twisties faster, but that the Ultra can do just fine on any road where the Sporster or my Dyna would go. I'm not placing any limits on where I take the Ultra, except making sure that my riding skill is up to par on slow manuevering. I would like to know if I am missing anything here, especially if I might someday head into an ackward situation.
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Your not missing anything They can go anywhere ya point em and bank em just with more comfort and style.
my sporster has style also but the ladies prefer the ultra
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Your not missing anything They can go anywhere ya point em and bank em just with more comfort and style.
my sporster has style also but the ladies prefer the ultra
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I agree the sportster your setting more on top of the bike with the ultra or any bagger your setting down inside the bike and with a hell of lot more comfort. Like a buddy of mine said After an eight hour ride you'll both be there but the guy on the sporty will be ready for bed, and you on the ultra will be ready to go dancing.
Don
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This reminds me of a ride I had over the North Cascade Highway a few years back.
A bunch of us decided to get together and do the ride over to Winthrop from Bellingham and back. Maybe 450 miles, we showed up on a three Road Kings, two Ultras and a Buell.
Well you can imagine who thought he had the biggest balls......yup, the twisty bustin' haul assin' Buell. So off we go.
We're doin' some backroads down to the pass highway and the Buell takes off about three times, does some passes on cages and then is waiting up the road for us.
So we hit the pass highway which has much more limited access and we are going to be in the wind for a few hours of twisty mountain highway, climbing and descending all the way. By now I've had about my fill of the Buell guy but I've been hanging back with one of the Road King riders who is new to riding and not exactly keeping up with the others.
We'd go along for awhile and then hold up a bit for him to catch up so I rode with him for 20 miles or so. Somewhere along in here the Buell drops a couple gears and grabs a handful of throttle..........I had decided that since he enjoyed it so much he may as well have a little company and did the same.
I'm no super bike racer but I do have over thirty years on big bikes and countless miles, the Buell guy wasn't new to riding either, but he wasn't a super bike racer either from what I'd seen. This is the long way to saying, if you ride within your limits and don't allow yourself to get sucked in, you can stay with most anybody.....at least close enough they know you are there.
Brake a bit earlier getting into a corner and power up a bit earlier too in most cases and guess what, the Buell guy is looking over his shoulder as much as he's looking up the road. After about ten minutes of this and the three lights of my Ultra burning in the back of his helmet we came to a construction area and were stopped for the roadwork, as I pulled up he was putting his foot down at a stop and he looked over and said, "oh it's you....I wondered who the hell was keeping up with me."
It wasn't by any stretch a race and I had my hands full the whole time, but the group enjoyed the rest of the day as a group with the Buell in our midst and nary another break away.
What a great day that was in the mountains with some friends.
Bottom line you can ride the Ultra through the twisties and have a great time and be comfortable as has been said here. Then get back on it and go right on back, but the Sportster guys will definitely be wishin' they were on the Ultra by the end of the day.
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Its sorta like having a Cadillac and an old Corvette. If you want to feel the road and be able to use it up, a Sporty will get you there. The Ultra gets you there about as fast, but in so much more comfort.
I have a Sporty and always will. Love to get it out for an hour's run regularly. But if I'm taking Momma or heading out more than 100 miles, I reach for the big boy. Without hesitation.
They both are wonderful tools to do a slightly different job.
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I recently had a discussion with a friend who has a very nice 1200 Sportster about our bikes. He commented that the Sportster was meant for the mountain roads and that the Ultra was primarily for the multi-lane slabs. Being new to the Ultra and being polite with a friend I didn't argue the point. I just described a very slow twisty mountain road I recently rode with the Ultra. My thought is that the Sportster can take the mountain twisties faster, but that the Ultra can do just fine on any road where the Sporster or my Dyna would go. I'm not placing any limits on where I take the Ultra, except making sure that my riding skill is up to par on slow manuevering. I would like to know if I am missing anything here, especially if I might someday head into an ackward situation.
I'm new to this message board and just started yesterday. This past spring I had an 05 black Ultra and we planned a trip to Townsend TN (Smoky Mountains). My wife and I left a day early. We got to townsend just before dark. We had directions to the cabin where we were staying which was only a couple of miles out of town. When we got there, I was shocked to see a hill that looked like Mount Mckinley! YIKES! We need a 4 WD drive to get up that hill! There was no way I was leaving my bike at the booom of the hill by the side of the road. There was no way I was wealking up that hill! I stopped and checked the situation out closely before deciding to git-r-done. It was a good 1/4 mile up the hill to the cabin. Not only did the Utlra do it, It did so remarkably well! We enjoyed ourselfs so much we did it again in September. By this time I'd traded the 05 for this 07 Ultra Classic CVO Screaming Eagle. It also pulled up the jeep trail! Happy 4-wheeeling on 2 wheels!
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I'm new to this message board and just started yesterday. This past spring I had an 05 black Ultra and we planned a trip to Townsend TN (Smoky Mountains). My wife and I left a day early. We got to townsend just before dark. We had directions to the cabin where we were staying which was only a couple of miles out of town. When we got there, I was shocked to see a hill that looked like Mount Mckinley! YIKES! We need a 4 WD drive to get up that hill! There was no way I was leaving my bike at the booom of the hill by the side of the road. There was no way I was wealking up that hill! I stopped and checked the situation out closely before deciding to git-r-done. It was a good 1/4 mile up the hill to the cabin. Not only did the Utlra do it, It did so remarkably well! We enjoyed ourselfs so much we did it again in September. By this time I'd traded the 05 for this 07 Ultra Classic CVO Screaming Eagle. It also pulled up the jeep trail! Happy 4-wheeeling on 2 wheels!
HB Welcome to the site! Great story if you get a chance post a few pics of the hill climb.
Ed [smiley=pepper.gif]
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I recently had a discussion with a friend who has a very nice 1200 Sportster about our bikes. He commented that the Sportster was meant for the mountain roads and that the Ultra was primarily for the multi-lane slabs. . . . . I would like to know if I am missing anything here, especially if I might someday head into an ackward situation.
Two things to consider:
1) riding within your own limitations
2) Lean angle of each bike considered
In your case an Ultra vs. a Sortster:
ULTRA = 30º / 32º LH/RH
SPORTSTER = 32º / 32º LH/RH
(spec.'s as posted on the HD web site for stock bikes)
zis help? Oh, yeah! BTW. Welcome to the site. Lots of useless, er ah, useful ;) info here!
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HB Welcome to the site! Great story if you get a chance post a few pics of the hill climb.
Ed [smiley=pepper.gif]
YEP Ed [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] me too! HB gotta see that . . . AND welcome! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Welcome to the site Goin and HB. Good people and good info here. ;)
Big difference between the sporty and the ultra is, obviously, weight. You're throwing around a lot more weight with the ultra, but she'll react just as well. It's just that you know you're throwing that weight around. Especially on the twisties. But all things being equal. At the end of the day, I'll take the comfort of the Ultra. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] A sporty was my first Harley...I'll always remember that ride. But I'm I'm a "geezerglide" guy now...I likes the comfort. ::)
HB, I'd be interested in seeing some more pics of your bike. If that's your ride in the Avatar, you've done some things (like removed the tour pak). I'd like to see some "up close and personal" shots of your B&O Jester.
Red
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Nice thing about the Ultra, it'll do both the twisties and the super slab equally well. I've ridden with some Sportsters, and if anything, they tend to get in the way on the twisties, so I just pass em.....and well ya don't really have to pass em on the interstates, cause they usually aren't out there.
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This is not me climbing the hill. I'm taking the photo. It's a Honda 1100.
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This is not me climbing the hill. I'm taking the photo. It's a Honda 1100.
HB,
Nice pic, it's kind of grey around here lately like seeing the green.
Thanks for posting,
Ed [smiley=pepper.gif]
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This is not me climbing the hill. I'm taking the photo. It's a Honda 1100.
The best size for viewing is 800X600.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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This is another photo looking down that dreaded hill. The photo does no do it justice. It's steeper than it appears here.
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Trying this again.
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Aren't these ladies BEAUTIFUL??? Oh, the women are nice too!
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just another with the tour pack off
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and YEt another.
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On the Tail of the dragon
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At Centervill Tn. at a bike Rally. Parked next to my buddy's sportster.
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Centerville Again
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Welcome to the site Goin and HB. Good people and good info here. ;)
Big difference between the sporty and the ultra is, obviously, weight. You're throwing around a lot more weight with the ultra, but she'll react just as well. It's just that you know you're throwing that weight around. Especially on the twisties. But all things being equal. At the end of the day, I'll take the comfort of the Ultra. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] A sporty was my first Harley...I'll always remember that ride. But I'm I'm a "geezerglide" guy now...I likes the comfort. ::)
HB, I'd be interested in seeing some more pics of your bike. If that's your ride in the Avatar, you've done some things (like removed the tour pak). I'd like to see some "up close and personal" shots of your B&O Jester.
Red
Red Devil. Nice Bike! I read that you added a race tuner and an AC. What is an AC? Air Cleaner? did the race tuner add more Hmmmmf to your machine? The 110 has quite a bit as it is, but, I know a lot of HP could be gained by some moifications. Any idea where to start on that? I only changed the pipes to V&H. I couldn't tell any difference except the extra noise.
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HogBreath,
I don't get it? You turned your beautiful Jester into a Street Glide? You should have just got the new Street Glide and payed for the 110 upgrade.
I know it is all about personalization but some thing I do not understand, but to each his/her own.
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HogBreath,
I don't get it? You turned your beautiful Jester into a Street Glide? You should have just got the new Street Glide and payed for the 110 upgrade.
I know it is all about personalization but some thing I do not understand, but to each his/her own.
07 CVO. I know exactly what you are saying. but, hey, in my opinion, the street glide is the most overpriced bike out there. Buy an Electra-Glide standard and add a few accessories! I suppose I enjoy changing the components around to suit my ride? Seems that everytime I ride, I set the bike up differently. This past weekend the temperature was 40 degress so I put the lowers on, the heated seat, and the tall windshield. Sometimes I'll change the seats and add the short windshield. sometimes the tourpack is on, sometimes it's off. I guess that's why they make so many different models.
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HogBreath,
I don't get it? You turned your beautiful Jester into a Street Glide? You should have just got the new Street Glide and payed for the 110 upgrade.
I know it is all about personalization but some thing I do not understand, but to each his/her own.
Ah, but as is HogBreath has options...........something he would not have with a Street Glide unless he purchased a Tour Pak, rear speakers, amp, CB, XM, heated seat, heated grips, fairing lowers and myriad other stuff the SEUC has that the Street Glide doesn't, which would likely drive the cost higher than than that of a SEUC..........and the paint wouldn't be anywhere near as cool. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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HB, do you have that gorgeous pic from the tail of the dragon with the entire Austin Healey in it?
If you wouldn't mind posting if so, thanks.
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BTW HogBreath, you have a way KEWL machine there Bro! I LOVE my melon, but your scoot ROCKS! One of these days I'll get brave and start customizing.
Henry
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HB, do you have that gorgeous pic from the tail of the dragon with the entire Austin Healey in it?
If you wouldn't mind posting if so, thanks.
I am sorry. I don't guess I know what an Austin Healy is? OH! It's a car! No, sorry, that's all I have!
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BTW HogBreath, you have a way KEWL machine there Bro! I LOVE my melon, but your scoot ROCKS! One of these days I'll get brave and start customizing.
Henry
Thbanks Bagger. I actually didn't spend very much on the modifications at all.
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Thbanks Bagger. I actually didn't spend very much on the modifications at all.
I'd be lying if I said I'm not concerned about the monetary outlay, however greenbacks aren't the major concern. I don't want to lose any functionality when I put my tour pak back on, and as I understand it, the amp and umbilical must come off to facilitate a removable tour pak. I'd like to be able to easily reinstall my amp, and keep CB functionality regardless of whether the tour pak is on or off.
Then there is the matter of time................If I have time, I'd rather spend it riding as opposed to customizing. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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I'd be lying if I said I'm not concerned about the monetary outlay, however greenbacks aren't the major concern. I don't want to lose any functionality when I put my tour pak back on, and as I understand it, the amp and umbilical must come off to facilitate a removable tour pak. I'd like to be able to easily reinstall my amp, and keep CB functionality regardless of whether the tour pak is on or off.
Then there is the matter of time................If I have time, I'd rather spend it riding as opposed to customizing. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Well, I decided I don't care about the CB radio, so I disconnected the antennae. The radio antennae is mounted in the fairing. The amp is mounted in the saddlebag. I suppose it takes a little room but to me it's worth it. I didn't want to loose any of the power of the amp neither as I and my wife both like the tunes. I hired my dealer to do it, and I was shocked the labor bill was only a couple of hundred bucks.
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Well, I decided I don't care about the CB radio, so I disconnected the antennae. The radio antennae is mounted in the fairing. The amp is mounted in the saddlebag. I suppose it takes a little room but to me it's worth it. I didn't want to loose any of the power of the amp neither as I and my wife both like the tunes. I hired my dealer to do it, and I was shocked the labor bill was only a couple of hundred bucks.
That's why I'm thinking about just leaving things as is on my SEUC and looking for a nice 04 or 05 SEEG so I'll have something to romp around on when Renea doesn't want to ride. I had a detachable tour pak on my 02 Ultra, and man taking that tour pak off made one hell of a difference in driveability. It was so easy to swap around too. No amp. No effect to CB. I dunno what I'm gonna do. Needless to say, I want my cake and I want to eat it too. Looks like I'll soon be in the market for another scoot to add to my stable.
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Red Devil. Nice Bike! I read that you added a race tuner and an AC. What is an AC? Air Cleaner? did the race tuner add more Hmmmmf to your machine? The 110 has quite a bit as it is, but, I know a lot of HP could be gained by some moifications. Any idea where to start on that? I only changed the pipes to V&H. I couldn't tell any difference except the extra noise.
HB,
Yes, I went with the SERT, SE Air Cleaner, V&H duals and Ovals, "right out of the box". I never drove the bike with the stock header pipes or mufflers. All I know is that the 110 with the SERT map 84 in it right now, hauls A$$. The torque at 2000 rpm and above is stump pulling. Was it that way stock? I couldn't tell you... [smiley=nixweiss.gif]. I'm taking it in Tuesday to get the 1K done and get it dyno'd, so I don't know if I'll see any noticeable difference. I guess the print-out will tell me. ;) As far as where to start with yours, I guess determine what's more important to you, better low end torque/power, or high end torque/power. And after reading a lot of posts here on the different setups, the choice are almost endless, but it seems that if you want lower end go with stock, two-into-one, or dual non-stepped head pipes. If you want the higher end, go with the stepped (i.e., Rhinehart or Bassani) head pipes. There are plenty of posts in this forum, along with plenty of people that will give you free (and good) advice on what they have done and what works for them. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Red
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Red Devil,
Good luck on the dyno Tuesday and be sure to get the new map on a backup disk!
Cheers,
Mark
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Red Devil,
Good luck on the dyno Tuesday and be sure to [highlight]get the new map on a backup disk[/highlight]!
I was very specific about that with the dealer and I'll remind them of that when I take the bike down on Tuesday. They told me no problem giving me a copy of the map. I hope not...I paid for it. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I'm anxious to see what this set-up will dyno out to.
Red
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I was very specific about that with the dealer and I'll remind them of that when I take the bike down on Tuesday. They told me no problem giving me a copy of the map. I hope not...I paid for it. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] I'm anxious to see what this set-up will dyno out to.
Red
Hey Red, Are they going to let you stay there while they're Dyno-tuning? To me, it's an interesting process that I'm looking forward to "being involved with". Just a little anyway. Enough to know what he's doing, why and how. Just curious whether you'll be there or just giving it to them to do. ;) Hoist! 8-)
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HB,
Yes, I went with the SERT, SE Air Cleaner, V&H duals and Ovals, "right out of the box". I never drove the bike with the stock header pipes or mufflers. All I know is that the 110 with the SERT map 84 in it right now, hauls A$$. The torque at 2000 rpm and above is stump pulling. Was it that way stock? I couldn't tell you... [smiley=nixweiss.gif]. I'm taking it in Tuesday to get the 1K done and get it dyno'd, so I don't know if I'll see any noticeable difference. I guess the print-out will tell me. ;) As far as where to start with yours, I guess determine what's more important to you, better low end torque/power, or high end torque/power. And after reading a lot of posts here on the different setups, the choice are almost endless, but it seems that if you want lower end go with stock, two-into-one, or dual non-stepped head pipes. If you want the higher end, go with the stepped (i.e., Rhinehart or Bassani) head pipes. There are plenty of posts in this forum, along with plenty of people that will give you free (and good) advice on what they have done and what works for them. Good luck on whatever you decide to do. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Red
Red, I went with the exact same package, but have not been able to drive it yet the verify the HAUL A$$ part. I look forward to seeing your results.
JD
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Hey Red, Are they going to let you stay there while they're Dyno-tuning? To me, it's an interesting process that I'm looking forward to "being involved with". Just a little anyway. Enough to know what he's doing, why and how. Just curious whether you'll be there or just giving it to them to do. ;) Hoist! 8-)
Hoist,
Unfortunately, I'm giving it to them to do. I'd like to see it, but not sure when they're going to do it. They said it would take about 3-4 hours to do the 1 K and then another 3-4 hours to dyno it. So I'm dropping it off around noon Tuesday and picking it back up sometime Wednesday afternoon. I tried to pin them down when they were going to do the dyno, but they couldn't be exact. I suppose I could have them call me when they're getting ready to put it in the booth, and I could catch some of it. We'll see what happens.
Red
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I have done that! And the only reservation that I had, WAS : IS THERE A PLACE TO TURN AROUND @THE TOP????
I'm new to this message board and just started yesterday. This past spring I had an 05 black Ultra and we planned a trip to Townsend TN (Smoky Mountains). My wife and I left a day early. We got to townsend just before dark. We had directions to the cabin where we were staying which was only a couple of miles out of town. When we got there, I was shocked to see a hill that looked like Mount Mckinley! YIKES! We need a 4 WD drive to get up that hill! There was no way I was leaving my bike at the booom of the hill by the side of the road. There was no way I was wealking up that hill! I stopped and checked the situation out closely before deciding to git-r-done. It was a good 1/4 mile up the hill to the cabin. Not only did the Utlra do it, It did so remarkably well! We enjoyed ourselfs so much we did it again in September. By this time I'd traded the 05 for this 07 Ultra Classic CVO Screaming Eagle. It also pulled up the jeep trail! Happy 4-wheeeling on 2 wheels!
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I'm new to this message board and just started yesterday. This past spring I had an 05 black Ultra and we planned a trip to Townsend TN (Smoky Mountains). My wife and I left a day early. We got to townsend just before dark. We had directions to the cabin where we were staying which was only a couple of miles out of town. When we got there, I was shocked to see a hill that looked like Mount Mckinley! YIKES! We need a 4 WD drive to get up that hill! There was no way I was leaving my bike at the booom of the hill by the side of the road. There was no way I was wealking up that hill! I stopped and checked the situation out closely before deciding to git-r-done. It was a good 1/4 mile up the hill to the cabin. Not only did the Utlra do it, It did so remarkably well! We enjoyed ourselfs so much we did it again in September. By this time I'd traded the 05 for this 07 Ultra Classic CVO Screaming Eagle. It also pulled up the jeep trail! Happy 4-wheeeling on 2 wheels!
Hey Ken, taken the V-Rod or the SERG hill climbing yet? :drink:
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Hey Ken, taken the V-Rod or the SERG hill climbing yet? :drink:
Never taken a CVO Hillclimbing. It's on my list of things to do before I die though. ;D
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Never taken a CVO Hillclimbing. It's on my list of things to do before I die though. ;D
Ok man, when it happens remember the rule though:
:worthless: :worthless:
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Man time flies, I couldn't believe the date on the thread when I got here.
We did some light dirt ridin' this spring when we went deep into the woods on a route laid out by a none Harley rider.
The guy on the BMW GS ate it up though. We made it just fine as well. About 25 Harley's.
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WOW.......this is old. Someone definitely has entirely too much time on their hands to be diggin' up bones like this. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Not to sure about hill climbing. Stump pulling, maybe. :huepfenjump3:
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My 06 outside a Welsh farm cottage we holidayed in.
The cottage was at the end a 2.5 mile road that had grass growing on it.
GhostBagger.
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That's a beautiful sight. Thanks for sharing.
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there are no limits and we do it in style and comfort :2vrolijk_21: ;D
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there are no limits and we do it in style and comfort :2vrolijk_21: ;D
WERD!
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My 08 SEUC handles curves better than my 07 SES, and with a Lot more comfort.
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My 06 SEUC is a curve huggin', hill climbin', super-slab scootin', backroad cruisin', gravel road travelin', parkway poundin', turnpike twistin', tunnel tourin', twolane tamin', driveway leavin', one-up or two-up, mile eatin', fun lovin', good time havin', Sweet Baby Girl! Can't wait to get her home! :2vrolijk_21: