If this is the same problem as the 09 SERG, then replacing the seat is not a fix.
See what was done here. http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=39397.msg631592#new
You can put a longer tab on but that did not work for me because it was pushing back so hard on the mounting point where you screw it to the fender it bent the fender around the female insert that is in the rear fender.This is on my 09 SE Road Glide. i went with a 09 Street Glide seat (non SE seat) and the fit is great, about an inch over the counsel (no gap) the seat looks better than the SE seat. I know it sucks to spend that much money and have to fix it yourself but what do you do. A new seat will do the same thing, i had two. Both sucked.
just got back from the dealer, They changed out the seat. This is what I got. I think I like the 1.5 inch gap better.
Greg
just got back from the dealer, They changed out the seat. This is what I got. I think I like the 1.5 inch gap better.
Greg
I have a Corbin on my 2003 softail and love it!
I have had a matched sundowner at my SERG. Was very comfortable. But it didt look good to me. So I changed it into a customized solo Santee with backrest. Very comfortable and good looking!
I just had the 2,500 service on my CVO SG....and the seat is pulling back from the tank about 2 inches....the dealer really does not want to do anything about this... Are you all seeing this issue and have you had resolutionThis has been noticed already so I merged your thread w/the existing one.
I just had the 2,500 service on my CVO SG....and the seat is pulling back from the tank about 2 inches....the dealer really does not want to do anything about this... Are you all seeing this issue and have you had resolution
Talked to my dealer about the gap, and they said that there is a fix for SERG because the pan actually gives out on that seat and HD has supposedly fixed it. He said the only thing they've gotten from the MoCo on the SESGs is for now, drill another hole in the tong on the back to push the seat a little farther forward. That's what he did to my bike and it looks great now. He said that as soon as the MoCo comes out, if they do, with a permanent solution he will then perform it on my SESG. But at least for now it looks good again. :)
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This issue is not just related to the SESG I have the same problem with the seat on my SERG. I pointed it out to the dealer when I took delivery of the bike. Did not hear anything they said they would look into it. It has been about 3 months and yesterday i got word from the dealer that they were going to replace the seat. They did not say if warranty or if they were going to cover it. Doesn't matter to me just want it replaced.
Anyone perform this fix and install a rider backrest. I am interested to know if there is an alignment problem when you push the seat forward.
Yep, I have the HD SESG backrest installed...no fitment issues at all...the seat is only moved forward less than an inch...at least on my bike it was....backrest still fits fine...doesn't stretch the slot behind the driver at all.
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Well, went back to my dealer (Earl Small's Harley Davidson, Cartersville, GA) yesterday and asked again about the seat gap issue. They had a 2010 SESG on the floor and lo and behold that seat was already working its' way back from the CVO chrome tank plate. They said that HD had not released any fix, and so I was basically stuck..... Ended up ordering a 2010 SEUG seat to put on my SG as my gap is now about 1.5" wide and looks like crap. No offer to replace or assist, except they gave me 10% off of the new seat.....only cost me a little over $200 out of pocket...and I don't even know if this will work!
Not sure if it's HD corporate or my local dealer, but my first HD purchase has been nothing less than a friggin nightmare when it comes to any sort of decent service after the sale..........
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Go back to your service manager. Ask nice, he's your friend in this deal. Show him this thread and especially my last post. Ask him to call tech services. I'm betting he'll hear the same answer my dealer did. Do you want a new seat or a different one? Worth a try. If your dealer isn't helpful, call customer service yourself.
I forwarded our threads on the seat issue to my service manager. He is very concerned that a seat that flexes as much as mine so the front becomes unhinged is a safety issue. And, he is convinced that the factory really isn't aware of the issue. His suggestion was to post this phone number -- 414-343-4056 which is the Customer Service number for customers and report this problem EVEN IF YOU'VE TALKED TO YOUR DEALER AND ARE HAPPY WITH THAT DEALER'S RESPONSE. That way the problem will be "officially" on the record.
In my service manager's opinion, dealerships are taking care of customers without necessarily going through the right channels to get the problem to the attention of the right people at the factory.
I just got my bike back from the dealer today. I had to have the seat replaced for a second time because of the gap in the seat. The new seat looks much better. It mates to the tank panel, feels much more sturdy. The pan has been redesigned and has a molded brace on it or should I say is part of it. It feels heavier. I don't know if it as comfy as the old one yet. I haven't rode it as I- well I live in Seattle.
I just got my bike back from the dealer today. I had to have the seat replaced for a second time because of the gap in the seat. The new seat looks much better. It mates to the tank panel, feels much more sturdy. The pan has been redesigned and has a molded brace on it or should I say is part of it. It feels heavier. I don't know if it as comfy as the old one yet. I haven't rode it as I- well I live in Seattle.
tj,I did not get a part number for the seat.
Is this a SESG seat or.......? :confused5:
Selfishly, I hope they will have the fix in production before mine is built in Feb. I'm amazed that this flaw has gone on for this long. You gotta wonder if there are any HD service reps watching sites like these... surely they'd be more proactive.I'd bet money that there are people from H-D watching sites like these. However from the first page you get when you sign on to www.CVOHARLEY.com...
Is there a way for a moderator to foward this thread (and ones like it) to HD Customer Service? Despite what I hear and read sometimes, the fact is that HD has one of the highest Customer Promoter Scores of any manufacturer! Higher than all the car companies, higher than all the retail chains and higher than most service industries. I want to believe they would react positively to this kind of debate and feedback.
Thanks all for the heads up on this!
Selfishly, I hope they will have the fix in production before mine is built in Feb. I'm amazed that this flaw has gone on for this long. You gotta wonder if there are any HD service reps watching sites like these... surely they'd be more proactive.
Is there a way for a moderator to foward this thread (and ones like it) to HD Customer Service? Despite what I hear and read sometimes, the fact is that HD has one of the highest Customer Promoter Scores of any manufacturer! Higher than all the car companies, higher than all the retail chains and higher than most service industries. I want to believe they would react positively to this kind of debate and feedback.
Thanks all for the heads up on this!
Well its obvious they know how to fix it!!!
It's just a matter of desire???
As a shareholder I guess I would ask why they were not changed in production to the stock seat as soon as it was discovered that they did not fit right?
Also I would be curious to know who dropped the ball by not getting in the vendor/suppliers pocket to make it right?
But that's just me
I just got my bike back from the dealer today. I had to have the seat replaced for a second time because of the gap in the seat. The new seat looks much better. It mates to the tank panel, feels much more sturdy. The pan has been redesigned and has a molded brace on it or should I say is part of it. It feels heavier. I don't know if it as comfy as the old one yet. I haven't rode it as I- well I live in Seattle.
I put the SESG seat on my std FLHX on 10-7-09; only around 250 miles so far; very comfortable; nice and low; I like this seat. The -10 part number of my seat does not have a letter suffix, yet the underside looks just like the photo in TJ’s reply Reply #40.
Can someone post a photo of the seat pan from a seat with a gap up front?
Based on the feedback from what the other guyz have heard from the MoCo I'm betting that TJ just thought he had a different seat. I'd like to have some evidence that proves HD has done a revision based off of the flaws, but I think it has not occurred yet. TJ's newest seat probably just fits better. Perhaps his dealer modified the tab like they did for Red Devil, and pushed the seat forward. End result in my estimation is that if they had a REAL fix it would be evident and others hear would know about it for sure.It looks like I will get a chance to get on the road tomorrow. Ill know within a 100 mi if the seat is fixed or not. I can tell you that the tab has not been modified by the dealer. They would have had a hard time doing this while it was at home in my garage ;) I waited I believe about four weeks for the new seat to be delivered. Went out and checked it again and it is definitely heavier than the first two whatever the reason. Ill post my observations of it this weekend.
It would be nice if HD would come to us (so to speak) and provide useful feedback from the use of this forum. IMHO I think that a response would be much more likely to occur through their customer service channel, because they are expecting the client to come to them.
I put the SESG seat on my std FLHX on 10-7-09; only around 250 miles so far; very comfortable; nice and low; I like this seat. The -10 part number of my seat does not have a letter suffix, yet the underside looks just like the photo in TJ’s reply Reply #40.
Can someone post a photo of the seat pan from a seat with a gap up front?
Would you mind sharing your case number with Harley? Maybe that would help the rest of us when we call.I don't have a case number with Harley. My dealer took care of it. I threw a fit after the second seat was worse than the first. Much worse, in fact the dealer was disgusted. I figure thats why I waited over a month for the next seat. They were waiting for a fix that actually a fix. They ordered a headlight for the bike because it was smoked up, it came in about a week. The seat was three weeks after that.
The picture in your post shows a seat already too short it should cover at least 1" of the dash panel
I just spent over an hour on the phone with Harley customer service. I talked with 2 separate people, the later of the two was a senior tech rep. 1st, there is NO fix in the future for our seat problem. The fix that is coming out later this month is for the Road Glide model only!!! The senior (John) expressed his sorrow, but stated the bike (SESG) has only been out since July! He went on to say that this web site is giving out miss information and Harley will NOT be replacing any of the SESG seats in the near future. So, I proceeded to say that in essence what you are telling me is to stuff myself. That I would be better off going to an outside vendor and PAYING someone AGAIN to put a correctly fitting seat on my brand new (less that 600mi) Street Glide. To which he stated," I can't tell you to go and do that." When I stated how about I write Harley a big thank you letter for the great job they did on this bike. He stated it would not hurt. He also stated look how long the Road Glide has been suffering with this problem, and we still do NOT have it figured out yet.
Every one who has this problem should write Harley and tell them how much their design team is thought off with respects to this failled seat design. Just maybee if they receive enough hate mail, maybee in 2-3 years the factory will come up with a fix for our bikes!!!!
Here are pictures of my seat with gap issues replaced it with a Sundowner while waiting for the dealer to work through the Gap issues with Harley.
Here are pictures of my seat with gap issues replaced it with a Sundowner while waiting for the dealer to work through the Gap issues with Harley.
Thanks, WnK, from here it doesn't look like anything has changed with the seat pan. I'm still gapless after 300 miles, but I'll be taking a look at the seat pan on my machine tomorrow; maybe it’s frozen to the gas tank. :) Heated gear sure makes a lot of sense this time of year. :2vrolijk_21:
Here are pictures of my seat with gap issues replaced it with a Sundowner while waiting for the dealer to work through the Gap issues with Harley.
Hey Wheelsnkeels, snap a pic for me while you are looking straight down at the tank. I want to see the gap between the tank con. and the seat.
Why is there still that gap???? My road Glide overlaped the tank by over 1 inch.
Thats how it came they havent addressed the problem yet my stock Street Glide seat covers it by at least an inch
Picture of the gap looks like mine did.
Changed my mind and ordered a Corbin Claassic Solo with backrest.
Have see threads that show custom stitching of seats. Who does it?
Thanks guys. I'm a newbie, though I'm probably older than most of you, how do I contac hd dude, AKA Jim?
Jim's contact info is in the thread Sapper sent you or you could PM him through the site.
I love JC's Corbin I want the two up version with that stitching in Tangerine!!
Corbin does a number of different stitch patterns, also. They have the falmes, tribal, gothic, etc. By the way, seats without heaters are not usually stitched. These are heated seats that are stitched.
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I just got off the phone with Wayne at Corbin Factory. I put in an order for their unheated Classic Solo for my 2010 SESG and after reading the thread about stitching options decided to change my order to a heated seat so I could have some stitching. He told me that they had to change the glue they use on the seats due to EPA and that their stitching patterns are limited by the new design they went to. He advised me to not get stitching on the seat as it is more comfortable without it. What gives here?
Whats the number Ill call too
I have a 09 SERG with the stock seat,The answer to your question is yes. This thread already existed about that issue so I moved/merged your post/thread with it. You may want to read this thread to get more information. :2vrolijk_21:
Do the 2010 Street Glide seats have the same issue with them pulling away from the tank?
Does anyone have a C &C seat on their SESG? I am getting ready to purchase one (after I see the fabric samples), and I am wondering how they mold the seat pan, and if it will eliminate this gap issue?Check out this thread - Pics of my new girl (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=43316.0). The pictures in this thread sold me on C&C and I'll be getting one like it first of the year. :2vrolijk_21:
I've been MIA from the site but back up now. Picked up my TS CVO and looks and runs great. I weigh 191 LBS and when seated the stock seat pulls back but when I dismount it flexes back into place. I'm sure it will only get worse therefore looking for a good replacement. Ideas?
I've been MIA from the site but back up now. Picked up my TS CVO and looks and runs great. I weigh 191 LBS and when seated the stock seat pulls back but when I dismount it flexes back into place. I'm sure it will only get worse therefore looking for a good replacement. Ideas?
Welcome back to the site. I hope you had a good homecoming and a good Christmas with the family. Hope you are enjoying your bike. I still do not have one yet, but AAFES is supposed to have more in Jan. I hope to get one before I go on R&R in Feb. Time to put up some pictures and show the rest of us what you've been up to.
Sapper, haven't heard from you in a while.....Barnett HD in El Paso (Bliss) has one Tequila, come and get it when you get back!!!
Sometimes work gets in the way of my site time and work has been pretty heavy lately.
It may come down to a fly and ride and the rest of youze doing the shopping for me, but right now I still have a long time to wait things out in the sand box. I really should know something in a few weeks. If I don't hear anything by mid to late Jan I may have to light some fires.
UPDATE: Dealer did a follow up call with HD tech services. Seat vendor will have an adapter kit available in about two weeks. Claims all SESG owners will get a notice (not a recall) that kit is available. Poll: What's the Odds?
UPDATE: Dealer did a follow up call with HD tech services. Seat vendor will have an adapter kit available in about two weeks. Claims all SESG owners will get a notice (not a recall) that kit is available. Poll: What's the Odds?
UPDATE: Dealer did a follow up call with HD tech services. Seat vendor will have an adapter kit available in about two weeks. Claims all SESG owners will get a notice (not a recall) that kit is available. Poll: What's the Odds?
Welcome back to the site. I hope you had a good homecoming and a good Christmas with the family. Hope you are enjoying your bike. I still do not have one yet, but AAFES is supposed to have more in Jan. I hope to get one before I go on R&R in Feb. Time to put up some pictures and show the rest of us what you've been up to.But least you have a good seat for the new ride:huepfenlol2:
That means about two months. Gotta be able to understand MoCo speak. :huepfenlol2:
The permanent solution is either a Corbin or C&C seat. :2vrolijk_21:
That means about two months. Gotta be able to understand MoCo speak. :huepfenlol2:
The permanent solution is either a Corbin or C&C seat. :2vrolijk_21:
Has anyone tried putting a couple "bumpers" between the bottom of the seat pan and the frame? I just went to "visit" my new CVO Street Glide and pulled "up" on the bottom of the seat an tried to stick a finger between the seat pan and frame on each side. The Gap Disapeared before my eyes.
I think that's why some call it a "hammock" seat, since the pan is so flimsy it works like a hammock. I think I suggested trying bumpers back in the SERG forum when they were all talking about this same seat problem, but have no idea if anyone ever tried it. Just make sure the bumpers contact the frame and not any other parts like the ECM.
Jerry
A 1000 miles on the SESG with the stock seat and I noticed something: The seat rubs the corner of the saddle bag lid and there is wear showing. Yup, I'm a bulky guy but I'm wondering from all y'all the following:I don't know what you consider bulky, but I'm 6'4" and just over 3 bucks in weight and not getting seat rubbing on either saddle bag lid....so not sure why you are. :nixweiss:
- For those of you that have the stock seat (even the SERG), does the seat rub the saddlebag lid corner or is it is just hefty me?
- for those of you with the C&C seat, does your seat rub? What is the width in inches of your new seat? I'm thinking between the 2 issues of saddle bag lid rub and the seat gap, I'm going with the C&C, but wonder if I have to give up on width to prevent rub.
My riding comfort is proportional to seat width and I'd hate to give it up. How do the Ultra's manage with a wider seat? Is bag lid rub a common issue?
Went to the Cleveland bike show this weekend. Harley had a new SESG on display. Same gap and problem. The Harley rep looked at me like I had a third eye in my forehead when I asked him about this issue. NO HELP!! On another note, BOY is this bike screwed up!!! Scuffed, scratched, generally all mared up. It was so bad, you could not see any metal flake in the paint anywhere! So much for the Rum color inside.
The bike was in rough shape here at the DC show as well, I could only see it getting worse down the road..not sure if it was the same bike up here a couple of weeks back, it was scuffed , chipped , etc.
not sure if it was the same bike up here a couple of weeks back, it was scuffed , chipped , etc.
I am waiting on delivery on my SESG and wondering if the seat issue is a safety concern, sounds like the front pulls out of it's bracket, am I picturing this right? :nixweiss:
My dealer offered to give me a Sundowner in exchange. I haven't taken them up on this because if/when there's a fix, I still want a SESG seat. I got my 2nd SESG seat after 1,000 miles, just before Winter hit here in Colorado. So, no miles on the replacement yet. It fits and looks great, but surely will sag as soon as I start riding in the Spring.
My intent is to either buy a Sundowner or Mustang seat and keep exchanging the stock SESG seat under warranty until the factory comes up with a more permanent solution. I hate to buy another seat for this expensive bike. When it's new, the stock seat is more comfortable than most OE Harley seats and looks great. But, when it sags, it looks awful and the front does pull away from any contact with the bike. Dangerous, probably. Annoying, certainly.
My dealer modified the tong on the back of the seat which pushed the seat farther up into the tank. Haven't had any issues with a gap since.
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Can you describe the modification or maybe picture of the mod???
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=45803.0
I have this bracket in my possession. I just don't have my bike yet (in heated storage at the Dealer until the snow melts) If anyone would like to measure the stock bracket I will measure this one.
How far apart are the centers of the two holes on the seat side of the stock bracket? How far apart are the fender hole and the closest seat side hole?
The center of hole A is 2 3/8" from the center of hole B. The Centers of B and C are 1 9/32" apart. Hole A is 7/16" in diameter and B & C are each 5/16" diameter. The entire bracket is 4 11/32" long, 1 inch wide and 1/8" thick.
If someone could give me the same measurements off the stock bracket, we can calculate how far forward this bracket will push the stock seat. You can't tell by the picture, but this Mustang bracket has a nice chrome finish.
I'll bet with all the Toyota problems going on, companies are going to be a bit more responsive to these issues :2vrolijk_21:
Is there NOBODY interested in knowing if this bracket will work and push the seat up far enough?
There's more to it than just pushing the seat up...
The seat pan is too darn soft/flexible. I think many of us are looking for a redesigned seat pan.
http://www.jpcycles.com/product/820-195
I have this bracket in my possession. I just don't have my bike yet (in heated storage at the Dealer until the snow melts) Would someone please measure the stock bracket I measured this one.
How far apart are the centers of the two holes on the seat side of the stock bracket? How far apart are the fender hole and the closest seat side hole?
Mustang Bracket Measurements
The center of hole A (I almost said "center of A hole" ;)) is 2 3/8" from the center of hole B. The Centers of B and C are 1 9/32" apart. Hole A is 7/16" in diameter and B & C are each 5/16" diameter. The entire bracket is 4 11/32" long, 1 inch wide and 1/8" thick.
If someone could give me the same measurements off the stock bracket, we can calculate how far forward this bracket will push the stock seat. You can't tell by the picture, but this Mustang bracket has a nice chrome finish.
Oh, what the ----, I just bought the crapy little bracket. The chrome plating was flaking off on mine anyway. Should have it by next week and I'll let you all know if it worked/exact measurements. I'm in San Antonio so there are no issues with the bike being in a "bubble" somewhere in hibernation ;D
That would be great to know if it works. I was looking for measurements for the STOCK bracket to try and figure that out on my own (without access to the bike). Exact measurements of the Mustang bracket are posted above.Alright, just went out to the garage and measured the original bracket. Using the picture labeled above the measurements are as follows:
Thank You MKW. That means the Mustang bracket will move the seat forward 1/2". I hope it's enough to solve the gap issue.
Thank You MKW. That means the Mustang bracket will move the seat forward 1/2". I hope it's enough to solve the gap issue.
Shifting the seat forward removes all the support points on the frame and places the stress of your body weight focused on the single rear bolt. This may cause the bolt to strip from the fender?
Not a fix I would be comfortable with?
Support under the seat? Why does the gap appear when you sit on it if there is any support in stock form?
So, is it correct to assume aftermarket seats or even other HD 2up seats wont have this same problem? the flaw is in the seat itself?
The Fix is in! Seat Bumper Kit # 54396-10 for 2010 CVO Street Glide. Works with Seat 51955-10A. Is NOT compatible with saddlebag guard rails.
See attachment.
Are the holes in the frame for the bumpers already drilled in the frame?
The kit is under warranty to "fix" your seat issues, no charge, installed. Have servise order it.
Depending on how harde the rubber bumpers are, I don't see any reason why you can't use both. I haven't pulled my seat to see if the mount point is recessed or not (it should be).
I read through the install intructions and didn't see a statement that the "fix" is not compatible with the saddlebag guards.
Did I miss it?
Yup, you missed it.
Jerry
No, I had the seat problem with the rear saddlebag guards installed. So, you choose: take the fix and don't get saddlebag guards or buy a Corbin or C&C seat. It's a shame the HD is taking the cheap way out on such an expensive bike. The seat pan was manufactured weak and sags. The right thing to do is manufacture a seat with a new pan and exchange the faulty seat.
RE: Depending on how hard the rubber bumpers are, I don't see any reason why you can't use both. I haven't pulled my seat to see if the mount point is recessed or not (it should be).:jack:...
The bumpers are not rubber. They are a hard plastic. Perhaps a grove could be milled (drummel). I'm have them installed tomorrow. I'll take pictures and see if there is any room to alter to allow the saddelbags guards.
:jack:...
Not sure if you just prefer "quoting" by putting the text in your post and changing the color or you're not aware of the way the software does it. If the latter is the case take a look at picture below and when you wish to quote a post just click on the button the red arrow is pointing to.
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Wow, Thanks for the tip. I had a tough time this afternoon figuring out how to scan the Instructions for the Seat Bumper kit and then save to a memory stick and open and save to my desktop and the attach to my post. Thanks again for the quote tip.You're welcome. :2vrolijk_21: Just remember when you do that to make sure you don't type/put your post inside of the quoted post. Look for [/quote] and type after that.
That looks like a fix that was the result of a102 minute hallway meeting....
"Why don't we just...."
"Yeah, o.k., whatever you think"
Scott, I think this "fix" was the result of a 10 second meeting between bean counting upper management and the engineer tasked with coming up with a fix. Been there, done that, bean counters tended to win about 99.8% of the time with no further discussion tolerated. Ask the folks at Toyota about that method, btw. It seems to be working really well for them lately (not).Don't forget the drafting of the instructions on how to mount the bumpers :2vrolijk_21:
I'll guess that, assuming H-D continues with the same seat design, you will see a running change in the seat pan with two stand-offs molded into the plastic that will contact the frame. Much cheaper in production than adding a couple bumpers and a couple bolts. Also much cheaper than a redesign of the pan to eliminate all the flexing.
Jerry
As anyone had to pay for this themselves or are your dealers treating this as a warranty fix?
Has anyone tried putting a couple "bumpers" between the bottom of the seat pan and the frame? I just went to "visit" my new CVO Street Glide and pulled "up" on the bottom of the seat an tried to stick a finger between the seat pan and frame on each side. The Gap Disapeared before my eyes.
MOCO must be reading this forum.....they got the idea for the "band-aide fix" from me :o
Yeah "I'm a PC and Windows 7 was my idea"LOL :)))
I wonder if this seat bumper kit is being installed at the factory on new sesg. My bike was built on Feb 5 and I'm taken delivery on Mar 5. I will check and let you know.
That would require forward thinking and quick response and execution on MoCo's behalf - history tells me it ain't happen'n. Unlikely that the assembly folks know anything about this as it would require a change to the SOPs (Standard Operating Procedures) used in the assembly line (i.e. connect part A to Part B using screw C). To edit these sheets, would require a complete engineering review and hierarchical sign-off which would take as long as the fix itself (2 yrs? Remember this was a problem in the ’09 SERG) - not to mention a legal review. Maybe I'm too cynical…hope I’m wrong.
No more gap, works fine.
Unless you have saddle-bag guards.
A big :2vrolijk_21: to the MoCo for not spending 2 more hours addressing this issue and designing around core P&A.
My Dealer tried to order, but the part number is not listed with Deeley (Canadian Importer). He's working on it.
Read my post on the previous page. Your dealer's parts guy will NOT find a part number. Service will need to order through Tech Services using the Kit # on the instruction sheet posted in this thread. The kit will be available for order on March 15th. First batch is all gone...
My Dealer tried to order, but the part number is not listed with Deeley (Canadian Importer). He's working on it.See post #196 by grc
Went to the Harley Display at Riverfront in Daytona, Pointed out to the Rep that every bike displayed had the substandard seat. He gave me a card and tole me they would exchange mine under warranty. stated there was a new longer seat. Also told me of the support bumpers. I shared with him my dissatisfaction on that approach, modifying my bike to fit a seat is unacceptable.
I already have purchased 2 seats that fit how will they be affected by the "Fix" to the poorly designed seat?
Any way calling Customer service with the reference to the representative's information and I'll post the results.
Has anyone tried to install a riders backrest with the stock seat? I had the dealer install the adjustable riders backrest and the slot in the stock seat is to far back. It wouldn't work so the put on a few seats to try but the only one that worked (aligned with slot) was a big ugly seat. They tried a stock '10 SG seat but it was wrong then when I got home I tried my wife's '08 SG stock seat and it works OK so that's what I got on now. It looks decent but I don't want to spend big $ to get the stock SESG seat modified because the factory didn't get this right. The adjustable bracket is what is listed by Harley to fit??? :confused5:
Has anyone tried to install a riders backrest with the stock seat? I had the dealer install the adjustable riders backrest and the slot in the stock seat is to far back. It wouldn't work so the put on a few seats to try but the only one that worked (aligned with slot) was a big ugly seat. They tried a stock '10 SG seat but it was wrong then when I got home I tried my wife's '08 SG stock seat and it works OK so that's what I got on now. It looks decent but I don't want to spend big $ to get the stock SESG seat modified because the factory didn't get this right. The adjustable bracket is what is listed by Harley to fit??? :confused5:
A pic of the '10 SESG seat on bike with adjustable backrest mounted.
Here is a picture of a '08 SG seat and a '10 SESG seat the cutout is 1.5" further back on the '10 SESG seat and the pan is different also which adds to the riders adjustable backrest not fitting properly on with the '10 SESG seat.
After reading this thread I went and looked at my seat and noticed what everyone was talking about. Yesterday at my dealer I sat on and looked at the standard Street Glide seat and I have to say I like it much better than the SESG seat! It was more firm, fit better, and gave me some added leg room that the low slung SESG seat doesn't. I'm considering buying a standard seat or even the Tall Boy seat for comfort, which sucks after paying this much for a bike!!! :confused5: :soapbox:
I installed the seat fix two weeks ago and have put 600 miles in the saddle. No more gap, works fine.
Notch the bottom of the "bumper" to clear the guards, but then you would need a washer or insert to eliminate the gap if there was no guard installed.
Has anyone done this?
Has anyone done this?
I also are thinking about an after market seat. We the wife and I find the stock seat uncomfortable on long trips and I have the gap problem too. Has anyone tried the sundowner deep bucket seat Part # 51630-09A? Does it change the rider position and how comfortable is it for both rider and passenger?Also can you use the stock passenger back rest? The dealer will change the seat for the gap problem for the same seat. I said I would pay the difference between the two seats but they said no. It has to be replaced under warranty with the same stock seat. Go figure.
Found this in a road glide thread. The Service Bulletin M1269 regarding seat gap issue dated March 11, 2010. My Dealer was struggling getting info from Deeley Imports (Canadian MoCo Distributor)... he should have no trouble now.
See attached pdf
Thanks for the reply, I'm going to look at the mustang seats online. Do you know which model it is and how does it look on the bike?
I also are thinking about an after market seat. We the wife and I find the stock seat uncomfortable on long trips and I have the gap problem too. Has anyone tried the sundowner deep bucket seat Part # 51630-09A? Does it change the rider position and how comfortable is it for both rider and passenger?Also can you use the stock passenger back rest? The dealer will change the seat for the gap problem for the same seat. I said I would pay the difference between the two seats but they said no. It has to be replaced under warranty with the same stock seat. Go figure.
I just checked my VIN and it is after the VIN stated in the service bulletin, but no bumper kit. Harley Davidson are mixed up on the VINs. So from the bulletin it sounds like if you have tried the bumper kit and a new stock seat and there is still a gap, they will give you a seat from P&A department.
Had the same problem with my OEM seat on my SGSE. Dealer got a replacement seat (just another of the same design). Put it on and it sagged 1" first time on it. I decided to go with Corbin Solo Classic with removable pillion. Looks great and rides the same.
My Las Vegas dealer order new seat 51995-10A on 3/25 received 3/29. The pan is much stronger, no sag. Finally fixed and I can use my saddlebag guards. :orange:
My Las Vegas dealer order new seat 51995-10A on 3/25 received 3/29. The pan is much stronger, no sag. Finally fixed and I can use my saddlebag guards. :orange:
I had to go the long route. Over the first few months the gap grew larger and the dealer did not have any fix. Then the MoCo came up with the bumper fix, which almost works (small gap remains) however, I had to remove my saddlebag guards (saddlebag guards will not work with bumpers, it's one or the other). I called MOCo customer service and was told the bumpers is the fix and that no new bumpers would be issued that will work with Saddlebag guards and now new seat was announced. Then one of the guys on this site posted a service bulletin about a new seat. It seems as if the Moco wants everyone to get the bumbers first and if your not happy then they will send the new seat. I complained that I had to remove my guards and I wanted a new seat. Got it in three working days. Now it needs to be road tested. Should we "ASS-U-ME" the new bikes have the new seat???
See Attached Service Bulletin. I printed a copy and took it to service.
I had to go the long route. Over the first few months the gap grew larger and the dealer did not have any fix. Then the MoCo came up with the bumper fix, which almost works (small gap remains) however, I had to remove my saddlebag guards (saddlebag guards will not work with bumpers, it's one or the other). I called MOCo customer service and was told the bumpers is the fix and that no new bumpers would be issued that will work with Saddlebag guards and now new seat was announced. Then one of the guys on this site posted a service bulletin about a new seat. It seems as if the Moco wants everyone to get the bumbers first and if your not happy then they will send the new seat. I complained that I had to remove my guards and I wanted a new seat. Got it in three working days. Now it needs to be road tested. Should we "ASS-U-ME" the new bikes have the new seat???
I had to go the long route. Over the first few months the gap grew larger and the dealer did not have any fix. Then the MoCo came up with the bumper fix, which almost works (small gap remains) however, I had to remove my saddlebag guards (saddlebag guards will not work with bumpers, it's one or the other). I called MOCo customer service and was told the bumpers is the fix and that no new bumpers would be issued that will work with Saddlebag guards and now new seat was announced. Then one of the guys on this site posted a service bulletin about a new seat. It seems as if the Moco wants everyone to get the bumbers first and if your not happy then they will send the new seat. I complained that I had to remove my guards and I wanted a new seat. Got it in three working days. Now it needs to be road tested. Should we "ASS-U-ME" the new bikes have the new seat???
Attached photo with saddlebag guards installed. I did not do this to make the bike look better. I was on a HOG ride (40 bikes) in Death Valley going up to a view point, twisty and 15% grade. Two bikes tipped over at 5 mph. The one with guards had no damage, the one without guards cracked his saddle bag.
Thanks...that does suck. I already have saddlebag guards on my bike and I'm not giving them up. I would have added them if it was no big deal, (just in case) but it's a good thing I replaced the seat already too.
Is this still a problem with newly delivered bikes?
The new bikes should have the new seat!....IMO
Hey Sun Devil, What riders backrest do you have and is it comfortable, adjustable ? How do you like the fairing wind deflectors also ? Thanks BLW58156-08 Dark Smoked Fits '08-later Electra Glide®, Street Glide® and Trike models. MSRP US $109.95
From my research, it looks like my Sundowner seat for my 2009 Road King will work on the SG. Is it wrong to demand the new seat if mine does not have it from the factory? Is it my understanding the guards will NOT work with the brackets?
What a poor way to treat your customers, and for what, to save a few bucks :nixweiss: Doesn't make sense.
From my research, it looks like my Sundowner seat for my 2009 Road King will work on the SG. Is it wrong to demand the new seat if mine does not have it from the factory? Is it my understanding the guards will NOT work with the brackets?
On Monday, when my bike goes in to get the cruise control and 6th speed light fixed >:( I'm going to have a real heart to heart talk with my dealer about the seat. I'm so not good with the bumper fix on this :sauer005:
On Monday, when my bike goes in to get the cruise control and 6th speed light fixed >:( I'm going to have a real heart to heart talk with my dealer about the seat. I'm so not good with the bumper fix on this :sauer005:Where is the six speed light...........I did not see it........?....Keith
This shot is same as above but with my 190 lb butt sitting on the seat.
Is this acceptable in your opinion?
Hawg not trying to defend the MOCO but my new revised replacement seat along with the bumpers seems to fit pretty snug so far.My $16,000 90 Heritage seat actually had metal in the frame. :2vrolijk_21: they don't make them like they use to. >:(
Another angle.
Try this -push down in the middle of your seat and pull up on the front, if your seat is as bad as mine the front of the seat will pull out of the front tab with very little effort and I can put it back in the tab as well without removing the rear bolt. What a piece of CRAP this seat is I wouldn't put this on a go-cart never mind a $35,000 dollar motorcycle. I will be showing this to my dealer very soon, I discovered this by accident today. >:(
Try this -push down in the middle of your seat and pull up on the front, if your seat is as bad as mine the front of the seat will pull out of the front tab with very little effort and I can put it back in the tab as well without removing the rear bolt. What a piece of CRAP this seat is I wouldn't put this on a go-cart never mind a $35,000 dollar motorcycle. I will be showing this to my dealer very soon, I discovered this by accident today. >:(
I have read through 24 pages of the seat issue discussion. I got my SESG in March 2010 and left on a work trips shortly after. I only have 300 or so miles and have not noticed the seat separation. But, that is not to say it won't happen once I get home and put some miles on it. My question is; can anyone provide the one solution answere? Is Harley backing this up as warranty? Or are we left to fix this on our own. Looks like some dealers are absorbing the cost and others are not.
Are the bumbers supposed to be a fix? What about this new seat? Are you paying for it, or is Harley?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Is there a bulletin or recall that provides the saddle bag guards as warranty?? Or is it- you order saddle bag guards and harley provides a new seat for no cost. Sorry, but I am little confused on this.
The bumpers are sort of a fix. When riding I had about a 3/4" gap. After installing the bumpers I now have "only" a 1/4" gap. Not a fix to me. Now there is a "new improved" seat for the bike. I haven't gotten that "fix" yet. The real fix is spending more money on an aftermarket saddle.
Check, got it. But can't check the seat as of yet. Bike is at home- and I am overseas. First thing I do when I get back- no second thing. First thing is say hi to the wife! lol. Thanks for assist.
Thanks, ride safe
My stealer was easy. Had the bulletin, told me they were getting me the bumpers, I said I wanted the seat in case I want to put the guards on, they ordered the seat... bulletin does say for the stealer to try the bumpers 1st... someone here posted the bulletin when it first came out.
My seat sits in the garage as I too love my Corbin solo.
Picked mine up yesterday after new seat install. Is it just me or is this new seat like a rock? I only rode home about 4 miles, so today will tell for me as I am heading out for a charity run.
I felt the same... only a 12 mile ride home yesterday and I think I could feel the bumpers... edges of the seat are hard. Going to break it in today.
Anybody else have this issue? I just bought a 2010 SESG and love it. However, as the seat has gotten more accustomed to me, it is inching away from the CVO emblem on my tank, leaving about an inch of open space that looks bad. HD dealer said they had gotten the same feedback from others, but not sure how Harley is going to address it. I paid a lot of $$ for this bad boy, and this small "blemish" is taking away from the overall beauty of the bike. Suggestions?Yes. I had that issue and the seat started rubbing the corners of the bags. Moco installed spacers and as of now it is taking care of both issues.
problem solved by Danny GrayI like it !!
problem solved by Danny GrayYour seat is very very stunning!
Your seat is very very stunning!
Getting my 3rd (and last) new seat tomorrow. I agree, I don't believe that they have fixed the problem with the seat yet. I would go with a different seat, but like the configuration of the current seat the the SESG backrest, don't know what I'll do if and when this seat seperates from the tank :-\My dealer modified the chrome "tang" on the back of the seat so it sticks out about an extra 3/4", which forces the seat further up on the tank. After doing that and installation of the bumpers, I have no gap issues whatsoever.
I'm open to suggestions for replacements, but not interested in a solo, and need something that will work with my drivers backrest.
red devil; can you post a pic or tell me about the dealer modification that was done? i just had my 1000 mile
checkup and had mentioned the seat issue 6 weeks prior to my dealer, but they say they have to do the bumpers
first.(which were not ordered and i still have to go back when they come in)i even sent them the service bulletin...
thank
brian cvo
Now that looks slick!Quite stunning!!
I just installed the 2011 SESG seat on my 2010 SESG and it looks and feels great. No tank seperation/flex at all. I had to remove the seat bumpers that I had as part of the 2010 seat fix. Good seat and nice lines-IMO.To late for me installed a Corbin and love it.
I just installed the 2011 SESG seat on my 2010 SESG and it looks and feels great. No tank seperation/flex at all. I had to remove the seat bumpers that I had as part of the 2010 seat fix. Good seat and nice lines-IMO.
problem solved by Danny Gray
Hey HDNIK..what did that seat cost and do they make a passenger attachment and how does it go on???
With the stitching and the fender bib mine was about $375... check out http://www.dannygray.com/StandardSeats.asp
2 colour stitch flames - Burgandy and gold
Looks like they don't make a solo with a matching removable passenger pillion.....
Shouldn't have to go through this with these bikes, but kinda satisfying when you solve the problem.
Problem solved!
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Saw a 2011 in Vegas, It wil be the fix for sure. Seat climbs much further up the console so even if it is as weak, it won't "GAP". I have to assume that a new back rest pad will be required to match the "snakeskin" like insert.
Has anyone had any luck with dealers trading the 2010 seats in for 2011 seats? Or are we going to have to purchase them?
OK I NEED SOME HELP FROM YOU GUYS WHO ARE INTERESTED !!!!
1. 2010 CVO STREET GLIDE OWNERS
1.1. HAVE SAT ON THE 2011 CVO STREET GLIDE SEAT??
1.2. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH IT COMPARED TO THE 2010 STOCK SEAT FIT, FINISH COMFORT--ETC????
3. 2010 CVO STREET GLIDE OWNERS
3.1 ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THE STOCK SEAT?? YES.....
3.2 ARE THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE SEAT--FIT FINISH COMFORT--ETC? NO...I LIKE IT
Comments aside. I love my corbin and it nails the issue of any gap. Real quality piece of kit. Plus 800 miles in a day is possible - not sure that can be said for the HD seat. Especially as I'm 230lbs (on a good day at least).Exactly :2vrolijk_21:
A guy in our HOG chapter traded his 2010 sesg for a 2011 sesg and didn't like the 2011 seat so he got the dealer to trade him the old seat for the one on the new bike--he likes the 2010 seat better.
Yeah, he didn't like the alligator and said the seat was taller--so he got the old seat off the 2010.
To be honest, I have to agree. I've sat in both, and prefer my 2010 seat. I don't have a gap issue and it's much more, to me at least, comfortable than the 2011 SESG seat. Plus I like that little extra pad at the lower back that the 2010 seat gives. But in reality, if it wouldn't look so out of place on my SESG, I'd actually put the same seat that's on my RUSE on my SESG. That is, without a doubt, the most comfortable seat from the MoCo, I've ever had (including my Zeppelin that I had on the 02 Ultra).RedDevil: Talked to dealer today after I found out the gap is also on my bike. Dont have the bars for saddlebags but he said he would say I did cause I am going forth on this. So he ordered the replacement seat that was given on the bulliten. I hope it matches the passenger pad. Do you know if it does or anyone for that matter. I guess my belly covered it up till I finally bent over with much force. HEHE.
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The replacement seats do match the originals as far as pattern.I'll check whenever it comes in for sure. My weight is 252, dont tell no one, yea right. Does it look the same, I hope it is stiched a little different. Thanks for the feedback Mr. Wheels.
While they do fix the gap issue be sure to check the seat to side cover clearances with you on the bike. My replacement seat rubbed on the side covers and would have damaged the paint. I sold it and went with a Corbin.
Hope yours fits better than mine did
RedDevil: Talked to dealer today after I found out the gap is also on my bike. Dont have the bars for saddlebags but he said he would say I did cause I am going forth on this. So he ordered the replacement seat that was given on the bulliten. I hope it matches the passenger pad. Do you know if it does or anyone for that matter. I guess my belly covered it up till I finally bent over with much force. HEHE.
The replacement seat matches your old seat and backrest. The difference is the blocks that they put on the frame rails as shown in the bulletin and the revised seat has an "A" designation in the part number. The revised seat has a steel backbone that runs partially down the undeside of the seat pan.Dealer called today the seat is in. Going to pick it up and see if it is any better than original. BuckNut :2vrolijk_21:
It doesn't stiffen up the front part of the seat that rests against the lower part of the tank trim so the gap is still there and in some cases worse that it was with the origional seat.
So the evolving solution may be the 2011 SESG seat and backrest.
Has anyone been given the option to "upgrade" to the '11 SESG seat?Just installed the new seat. Sat on it for about 15 min. listening to some Lynrd Skynrd no gap issue as of now. As for other options non that my dealer knows about: such as the 11 you are talking about. But the real test will be when I get some miles on it which wont be for awhile here in the Buckeye State. Dam cold here.
I'm still fighting my '09 SERG seat gap issue and I'll be darned if I buy a seat to fix a HD problem. I've had the rails installed and then a new '09 SERG seat. The gap is not as bad, about 1/8" when I'm off the bike and when I'm on the bike the gap goes to about 1/2". Also the new seat had very poor padding on the front top of the seat. About the only thing that holds the round shape is the material itself. I can poke into the seat with my finger and it's empty inside, very poor quality on the seat itself, let alone it still gaps when I sit on the bike.
I've been told to bring the bike in this winter to have the HD rep look at it, but without me being there I'm not sure how hard the dealer will push HD for a replacement seat. I've heard that the '11 SESG seat is a good fit and does not gap like the SERG and SESG's do. I'm going to push them for an '11 SESG seat and I know the backrest on the chopped tourpak will not match, but it's not that much different.
Any progress from you guys on the seat gap issue will still help us late adopters of the '09 SERG's that are still under the factory 2yr warranty.
Thanks for all the updates.
Has anyone been given the option to "upgrade" to the '11 SESG seat?
I'm still fighting my '09 SERG seat gap issue and I'll be darned if I buy a seat to fix a HD problem. I've had the rails installed and then a new '09 SERG seat. The gap is not as bad, about 1/8" when I'm off the bike and when I'm on the bike the gap goes to about 1/2". Also the new seat had very poor padding on the front top of the seat. About the only thing that holds the round shape is the material itself. I can poke into the seat with my finger and it's empty inside, very poor quality on the seat itself, let alone it still gaps when I sit on the bike.
I've been told to bring the bike in this winter to have the HD rep look at it, but without me being there I'm not sure how hard the dealer will push HD for a replacement seat. I've heard that the '11 SESG seat is a good fit and does not gap like the SERG and SESG's do. I'm going to push them for an '11 SESG seat and I know the backrest on the chopped tourpak will not match, but it's not that much different.
Any progress from you guys on the seat gap issue will still help us late adopters of the '09 SERG's that are still under the factory 2yr warranty.
Thanks for all the updates.
Just installed the new seat. Sat on it for about 15 min. listening to some Lynrd Skynrd no gap issue as of now. As for other options non that my dealer knows about: such as the 11 you are talking about. But the real test will be when I get some miles on it which wont be for awhile here in the Buckeye State. Dam cold here.
Check the distance between the seat and the side covers while you sit on it I'll bet they will rub on the covers now :nixweiss:Wheels: it sits just about the same as the previous seat. Which you are correct about the side covers. But there is that film protecting the paint. But I will keep an eye on it when I ride again: Got a feeling thats going to me like March if Lucky. Thanks for your concern my Brother :2vrolijk_21:
Been there done that
2010 flhxse now with the 2011 seat and back rests. No gap, no sider-cover rub and more comfortable than my original. Very happy even with a 500+ mile day on it. Now just waiting for the iPod interface and deck lid mount to come in ;D
How much MKW? Bought from dealer?So you guys are up for correction of spend to fix. Are you Friggan Nuts. Just SAYING :nervous: :o
How much MKW? Bought from dealer?
So you guys are up for correction of spend to fix. Are you Friggan Nuts. Just SAYING :nervous: :o
I just wanted a nice qualty replacement to the original and it happen to be one from the MoCo. Hell, this site is full of guys (and gals) who buy and $30K+ bike and then often times before the bike leaves the dealer they swap out perfactly good gauges, wheels, seats, etc. Geeze........... ;)
Thanks for "taking the point " on the 2011 SESG seat replacement issue. I'm glad that it is still working for you and am very interested in your periodic update on how it is working.
Regards
Jerry
I was lucky enough to find a 2011 sesg seat and backrest pad "takeoff" from another CVOHarley member. (thanx Chris) This is the seat fix you are looking for IMHO. Now I have a one up saddle that I like and a comfortable, non gapping 2 up seat now as well... (for when my darling young bride would rather passenger than ride her trike)
As for the original 2010 seat, and why I'd spend a little cash to fix the problem myself rather than re-live the big "bumper fix", well I have to look at it that I never really liked the saggy leather look anyway and the intergrated pad that forced me an inch closer than I needed to be, nor the gap or the rubbing on the left side cover or any of the other issues with the seat that no one has been able to get resolved in over 2 model years.... and can anyone explain how Harley thinks anyone would look at those big bumpers as a fix? Please!!!
Just buy a seat and get instant happiness. Forget the warranty fix... don't go through the frustration.... the dealers hands are tied anyway. We all paid large for these things... so now we're trying to save a few hundred? Life's too short and so is the riding season in my neck of the woods.
I believe from your comments that the bumpers are NOT used on the new '11 SESG seat. Just to confirm for sure, does the new '11 seat just slide over the main frame rails WITHOUT the thick black plastic bumpers? NO BUMPERS FITS PERFECT. NO GAP
Do you find the new '11 seat comfortable for front and back? MORE LEG ROOM AND WITHOUT BUMPERS STIFFENING THINGS IT IS MORE COMFORTABLE I have a '09 SERG that's got the bumpers AND a new seat that was worse than my original seat. I have to go in this winter and they will have the rep take a look. I'm leaning towards the '11 SEG seat as a fix for my problems. I may have to pay the difference between the original and the new '11 seat. IT WILL BE CHEAPER THAN A NEW MUSTANG OR CORBIN!font]
Thanks for the review and information.
Any ideas of where to start looking for a 2011 seat?
Thanks, do you know if the CVO drivers backrest from the 2010's will work with the 2011 seat?
After 2 seats for my 2010, my dealer just swapped mine out for a 2011 seat? Are they any better?
Well.. after a year and only 6k miles the gap showed up. I took my bike to the dealer who said the factory rep would have to make the decision on what to do. Really? The factory rep shows up yesterday and looked at my bike, saw the gap and says (according to the local service writer).. "A new seat will do the same thing so I'm not going to authorize a replacement." :nixweiss:
I kept my cool and told the service writer that I was going to HD customer service to try and get this resolved. 20 Minutes later the service writer called back and informed me that the dealership will take care of the seat, I just need to let him know what to order.. stock seat or something else (of course I would have to pay the difference).
So what's going to be? I personally like the original seat and I like to have all the original parts but I am considering trying to get the seat off of a 2012 SERG. Any suggestions?
Thanks for "taking the point " on the 2011 SESG seat replacement issue. I'm glad that it is still working for you and am very interested in your periodic update on how it is working.
Regards
Jerry
Just to update the 2010-2011 SESG issue. The 2011 I put on my 2010 is still working just fine. I recently did 500+ miles in 12 hours and feel fine.
:nervous:
I fixed mine even better and got a 2012 CVO Street Glide. :2vrolijk_21:
How are you liking that solo seat??