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Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« on: November 19, 2005, 10:17:16 PM »

I did an install today of the Hawg Wired amp setup in Erniezap's SEEG. Before we installed the amps We installed the Hawg Wired speakers (he already has the Hog tunes)and compared them with my bike. Listening to a couple of different cd's at the same volume, bass, & treble settings on the two bikes (mine with Hog Tunes and his with Hawg Wired) we compared the two. We both felt that the Hog Tunes speakers had a more full sound in the mid bass and bass ranges. They were not as clear on the upper mids high ranges. The Hog Tunes seemed to play a bit louder than the Hawg Wired. The Hawg Wired clearly outperformed the Hog Tunes in the mids and upper range. Very clear crisp highs. The Hog Tunes were better in the lows.


I then installed the Hawg Wired Amps into the SEEG. WOW!! The volume increase is substantial. Very clean clear sound!

I compared both the Hog Tunes and the Hawg Wired with the amp driving them. Our sound impressions of both speakers were very similar. The Hawg Wired speakers seemed to handle the highest volumes better but did not have as much bass response. The bass started to break up on the Hog Tunes at the higher volumes.

An important note.. Our sound testing was all done in the shop, not on the road.

In conclusion Ernie decided to stay with the Hog Tunes for now as they had the better bass response. If I had a choice I'm not sure which way I would go. There are pros and cons with both speakers sets. The Hawg wired has better upper end and the Hog Tunes has better bass response.

Thanks Ernie!!!

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2005, 09:41:29 AM »

Tunes in the back and wired in the fronts would sound like a great set up for Ultra owners!
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2005, 10:25:57 AM »

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I did an install today of the Hawg Wired amp setup in Erniezap's SEEG. Before we installed the amps We installed the Hawg Wired speakers (he already has the Hog tunes)and compared them with my bike. Listening to a couple of different cd's at the same volume, bass, & treble settings on the two bikes (mine with Hog Tunes and his with Hawg Wired) we compared the two. We both felt that the Hog Tunes speakers had a more full sound in the mid bass and bass ranges. They were not as clear on the upper mids high ranges. The Hog Tunes seemed to play a bit louder than the Hawg Wired. The Hawg Wired clearly outperformed the Hog Tunes in the mids and upper range. Very clear crisp highs. The Hog Tunes were better in the lows.


I then installed the Hawg Wired Amps into the SEEG. WOW!! The volume increase is substantial. Very clean clear sound!

I compared both the Hog Tunes and the Hawg Wired with the amp driving them. Our sound impressions of both speakers were very similar. The Hawg Wired speakers seemed to handle the highest volumes better but did not have as much bass response. The bass started to break up on the Hog Tunes at the higher volumes.

An important note.. Our sound testing was all done in the shop, not on the road.

In conclusion Ernie decided to stay with the Hog Tunes for now as they had the better bass response. If I had a choice I'm not sure which way I would go. There are pros and cons with both speakers sets. The Hawg wired has better upper end and the Hog Tunes has better bass response.

Thanks Ernie!!!

I am in total agreement with Jim regarding the speakers.  Some comments:
- At 80-90 MPH I had the volume about half way and it was loud and I could even hear the words!  The amp is expensive
   but worth the money since it is entirely in the fairing
- The Hog Tunes sounded okay at speed but I don't know if they're going to last since they seem to be working pretty
   hard
- I'd like to hear the Hawg-Wired speakers at speed to hear the difference

I guess I'll have to talk to Jim and see if we can do a "highway test" of the Hawg-Wired speakers.  My gut feel is that the Hawg-Wired are a better mid/high speaker (definitely a lot clearer and you can hear individual piano or guitar notes) which may be what we need on the bikes since you have enough low end coming from the exhaust and the wind is dissapating the lows as well.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2005, 10:39:06 PM »

Ernie, I'm supposed to have a set of the Hawg Wired speakers delivered sometime this week and will do the "highway comparison test" for you sometime shortly thereafter.  I got really lucky and Jim (here) and Paul (at Hawg-Wired) were kind enough to send me a set of speakers free just for having shared the details of my installation on the site here so that others could use it if need be.  After I get them in hand will do some swapping back and forth and see what the differences sound like.

Jim, in a phone call the other day Paul mentioned a "new" speaker they'll be releasing sometime in the near future.  From his description there it ought to be something that is markedly better than the roughly even-up comparison we seem to be experiencing between the current HawgWired speakers and the HogTunes.  When those become available to the dealers be sure and drop the word.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2005, 11:19:38 PM »

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Ernie, I'm supposed to have a set of the Hawg Wired speakers delivered sometime this week and will do the "highway comparison test" for you sometime shortly thereafter.  I got really lucky and Jim (here) and Paul (at Hawg-Wired) were kind enough to send me a set of speakers free just for having shared the details of my installation on the site here so that others could use it if need be.  After I get them in hand will do some swapping back and forth and see what the differences sound like.

Jim, in a phone call the other day Paul mentioned a "new" speaker they'll be releasing sometime in the near future.  From his description there it ought to be something that is markedly better than the roughly even-up comparison we seem to be experiencing between the current HawgWired speakers and the HogTunes.  When those become available to the dealers be sure and drop the word.

I sure will Don, The new speaker will be out in the next couple of months. I spoke at lenth about them with Paul. He asked that the details not be disclosed until they are released for sale ::)

As far as the comparision I installed another Hawg Wired setup in Kingsalmon's SEEG today. He elected to go with the Hawg Wired Speakers. After listening to them more today I think that the increased clarity and crisp mids and highs will out weight the added bass of the Hog Tunes. I need to save up the $'s to get a setup for myself!!

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2005, 11:46:09 PM »

Jim, what Ohm will the new speakers be, do you know?
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2005, 11:56:53 PM »

Well, my friends are certainly impressed with the Hawg-Wired amp as well.  I was riding in the middle of a pack of 8-10 bikes at 80-90 MPH and everyone behind me loved the music and I only had the volume turned up to about half!  :D  That being said, my girlfriend  says that it's a lot clearer in the back seat as well.  Now if I can just get that song out of my head...
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2005, 01:00:25 AM »

Ernie, do you know where the gain setting on your power unit ended up?  Just curious for comparison's sake.  After perhaps too much tinkering mine ended up at about 3/4 of it's total range.  Will never use all of that.  But in that range the system would push so hard I could know I'd never need to go further.

Your experiences with the speakers are generally similar to what I saw with the HogTunes versus the Harmon Kardons that came with the new radio.  The HTunes were "stronger" down low.  Bass that you could actually feel in the seat if you wanted to push it (and that was a new capability for a bike audio system).  But the HK's had a slightly better mid to upper end.  The real problem with the HK's though was that they're 2 ohm speakers.  In and of itself that's not a problem.  But at 2 ohm the amp system is effectively much larger than the 150 watt rating we bought it for.  And that's the problem.  

Much above 75 watt per side the amp isn't stable.  Lots of distortion.  So even though we can drive it to 115 or 120 watts per side it's not effectively usable much beyond 80-90.  Even at "merely" 75 watts per side with a good set of 4 ohm speakers we're still golden though.  After all, that's 150 watts clean we're comparing against the 04 and 05 radios that ostensibly have 60 watts but start picking up significant distortion much beyond 25 watts or so.  The stock radios are even worse.  So it's no wonder this new HawgWired system sounds so great.  In comparison to anything else we have or might get it really is.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2005, 01:07:16 AM »

Don;
I'll answer for Ernie since I set it up. I set the gain at just past 3/4 with the Hawg-Wired Speakers. With the Hog Tunes i had to back it off a bit ( below 3/4) as they could not handle the increased volume.

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2005, 01:09:23 AM »

What Jim said  ;D
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2005, 05:31:48 PM »

Well, the next question is for Kingsalmon,  So what do you think about the new set-up ??
Woorth it ??  Or can you not hear me asking the question with the volume so high now ??

Jim I am sure soon you will have Bling, Myself, and maybe the rest of the pack lined up to get the install...  that is if Fred ever gets over here to show us the new install.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2005, 05:56:08 PM »

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Well, the next question is for Kingsalmon,  So what do you think about the new set-up ??
Woorth it ??  Or can you not hear me asking the question with the volume so high now ??

Jim I am sure soon you will have Bling, Myself, and maybe the rest of the pack lined up to get the install...  that is if Fred ever gets over here to show us the new install.

Sounds good to me! (pun intended) [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2005, 11:48:44 AM »

I can't hear it but I'd like too.

Hey, you guys are cuttin in real heavy on my East Coast play money. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2005, 10:31:44 PM »

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What Jim said  ;D


Sounds like you guys settled on a gain setting for yours almost exactly where I did for mine.  Great ears think alike [smiley=ears.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2005, 10:06:28 AM »

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Sounds like you guys settled on a gain setting for yours almost exactly where I did for mine.  Great ears think alike [smiley=ears.gif]

Wouldn't that be great ears "hear" alike [smiley=nixweiss.gif].
Did you give the Wired Speakers a try yet?

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« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2005, 11:06:20 AM »

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Wouldn't that be great ears "hear" alike [smiley=nixweiss.gif].
Did you give the Wired Speakers a try yet?

Not yet.  Just got back yesterday evening after being gone most of a week.  The speakers (hopefully) arrived while I was gone.  Got to change the amplifiers themselves also and according to tracking the replacement amps should arrive today or Monday.  Will likely wait and be in there for both tasks at the same time.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2005, 11:14:09 AM »

why do you need to change the amps?
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2005, 11:39:00 AM »

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why do you need to change the amps?

A quirk of my bike.  Immediately upon getting the bike home new I removed the rear antenna and replaced it with an amplifying dipole antenna called a Tunetrapper inside the fairing.  The amps spoof the antenna with a range of interference causing the radio to stop at every frequency when you're seeking for a new channel.  I could move the antenna three foot from the amps and it was fine.  Tucked up back inside the fairing the problem returned.  It only affected FM.  Since my most common FM channels are pre-set and I'm going to be using a CD or XM 99 and 44/100 % of the time I really didn't care.  Just let them know about something that wouldn't crop up with a normal rear mounted antenna in case someone ever actually complained to them about it.

But in the vein of outstanding customer service:

I dropped an email to Paul at HawgWired letting him know what was going on with the antenna inside the fairing.  Someone might have greater "issues" someday with the problem then I did so just wanted to let them know.  Wasn't complaining about it or asking to return or anything else.  Just a courtesy pass on of info about a product they were informed I was still completely pleased with.

A day or so later got an email from HawgWired saying they'd run in to the same problem only recently and had just completed a redesign on the amps to addreass the interference problem.  It's not wholly unexpected with a digital amp once I realized what was going on.  But they had seen it too.  

They'd not had the "new" amp in stock yet when my original order was placed.  But without even being asked to do anything they had a replacement pair on the way and had issued a call tag.  So they're even covering the shipping cost to send back the originals.  It was excellent customer service above and beynod the norm.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2005, 03:54:56 PM »

2lane,
I must have seen the info here someplace for Hawgwired but could you post that up?
I'd like to do up my system this winter.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2005, 04:07:08 PM »

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2lane,
I must have seen the info here someplace for Hawgwired but could you post that up?
I'd like to do up my system this winter.  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

Here you go My....http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1132031814 Send me a PM and i'll get you set up [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

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« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2005, 04:12:54 PM »

dude, Sweet bro, I'll check out that site and get to work on spending some dough!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2005, 10:13:41 PM »

MY,

Jim sells 'em and you'll even save a few bucks over buying straight from the mftr.  Once you get the toys in hand here's a thread that might help with the installation too.  It's got pictures and dancing girls and other fun stuff.

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1131935924
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« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2005, 06:23:57 AM »

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MY,

Jim sells 'em and you'll even save a few bucks over buying straight from the mftr.  Once you get the toys in hand here's a thread that might help with the installation too.  It's got pictures and dancing girls and other fun stuff.

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1131935924
2lane,
 [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] to Jim
 I think it would be a good idea if Jim be posted up for a contact source in the started "list of contacts"

Your topic on the install is the reason I'm going to get it. I am overly impressed with the dancing girls! Extremely well put together topic. If you did that for school project no doubt you'd get an  [size=18]A[/size][/b]
 Not that I couldnt have blown through the job, but when someone like yourself blazes the trail and posts all the info on it, just makes it all to easy thereafter. For others who are not as mechanically inclined that must be totally awesome to have as a guide. Hell it should be printed and packed in for the install guide (minus the costumes on the dancing girls of course) I'll have to make a mental note that when we do meet, to give you a well deserved "pat on the back"
   I'm on the fence as wheather to up-graded my stock radio. I still havent gotten over having this one yet, but all the pros on it is making it VERY hard to resist.
Tell you the truth I started to read your thread  when you started it, then I stopped, cause I could feel the "OH I GOT TO HAVE THIS" coming on.  But I'm sure that I will end up buying it and fold up like a rented mule. I'm weak, I've been infected, and dont seem to be a cure [smiley=knife.gif] [smiley=sick2.gif] And loving it at the same time.
 2lane you have yourself a great Thanksgiving and same to everyone else!
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2005, 11:14:18 AM »

MY,
After the limited experience I've got with the two in combination so far I can only tell you that the 06 radio with the integrated XM all so nicely and easily controlled from handlebars working along with the HawgWired 150 watt amp setup is a wonderful combination.  Really kicks butt.

The radio is great by itself.  Burn a couple of MP3 disks and you've got your own tunes for a full cross country trip.  Want more variety; twitch your right thumb and go to XM.  Guy on the bike several car lengths behind got no radio?  No problem.  Crank up that big amp and let him enjoy your tunes too  ;D  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

All kidding aside, the two units really do make a great combination.  The radio swap actually took less time than the amp install.  Of course if you're just looking for an excuse to do both or a reason to justify it you've really got one.  

Economics.

Yeap, it's true; you'll waste money if you do the amp first and decide on the radio later.  You see Mark, that amp sticks down to the radio with a big piece of velcro.  So if you use up your supplied big piece of velcro on the old radio then make the swap later; you'll have to buy (out of your own pocket!) a new piece of velcro.  That stuff has gotta be expensive too.....

I'm not saying that would tip the scales for anyone.  Just doing the due diligence man, just doing the due diligence  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2005, 06:41:19 PM »

2lane,
Now I can see the logic there, coming from such a frugal man, Velcro, is and always will be a tough decision breaker. Your right, no sense in waiting if the Velcro will need to be replaced [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
And there I go like a child with $0.75 at a 10 cent candy store. YEEEA HAWW!!!
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watcha gonna do
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2005, 08:51:21 PM »

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2lane,
Now I can see the logic there, coming from such a frugal man, Velcro, is and always will be a tough decision breaker. Your right, no sense in waiting if the Velcro will need to be replaced [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
And there I go like a child with $0.75 at a 10 cent candy store. YEEEA HAWW!!!
 [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=drink.gif]
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Roeder's Harley and HD-Dude both just said, "cha ching!"

I love this place  [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

Ok, all teasing aside, they really do make a great combo Mark.  You'll even save some time doing them both at once (and that velcro too!).  
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2005, 09:40:03 AM »

Don,
question on the unit itself since you are the frontrunner on this.
this componant below would nt be needed for the radio with the Hawgwired setup right? Unless I wanted the rear speaker setup, which I'm sure I wont.

Advanced Audio High Output Sound System

When loud just isn't loud enough. The high output amplifier provides a 40-watt per channel boost to the Advanced Audio Sound System for distortion-free sound, even at freeway speeds. Amplifier is installed beneath the rigid mount Tour-Pak® to save storage space.

 76418-06

Fits '06-later Touring models equipped with an Advanced Audio Radio and rigid mount Tour-Pak® luggage system. Compatible with 2- and 4-speaker systems.

MSRP US $445.95
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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2005, 10:00:39 AM »

Don,
As copied from your original post on the retrofit of the audio systems below.

[highlight]Radio and harness arrived today.  Installed and working.  Hopefully the XM package will be delivered tomorrow and the task can be buttoned up.
 
Roeders Harley in Sandusky, OH is the dealership that supplied the parts and did whatever software load was required to make the new radio work in the 05 and earlier bikes.  The rep there to speak to is Tom in the Parts Department.  Phone number there is 419-621-1046.  If you're interested in doing this don't hesitiate to give him a call.  Service and support have been outstanding. [/highlight]
[highlight]At time of order I was told the cheaper and less involved accessory harnesses (there are two of these) can't be used for our purposes.  They are supposed to only work on Ultras and they plug in to harness points that are part of the 06 Ultras stock harness.  So if you're retrofitting you have to use the "big harness" that is HD part number 70169-06.  It's MSRP is $125.00.
 
The other parts to complete the job of retrofitting an Advanced Audio Radio and XM package are the radio/speaker kit itself (HD # 76412-06), the XM accessory kit (HD # 76404-06) and the XM antenna mounting bracket (HD # 76456-06).  Full MSRP on all the pieces would be about $1625.00.  Final freight inclusive price on the parts from Roeders was just over $1325.00. [/highlight]
This price would then cover the rear amp as well if I'm looking at this correctly, which I dont believe I'll need.

Question 2 > Did you also have the GPS download at an extra cost? And if so whats the price on that?
I figured I might as well get as much knowledge as I can from you, before I call Tom @ Roeders H.D. to save confusion on my part
Thanks Bro  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2005, 11:43:26 AM »

Mark,
The $1325.00 at Roeders was the 06 radio ($840.00 by itself), the XM unit and the big overlay harness.  That harness, however, lets you connect up any other of the Advanced Audio accessories later on should the urge strike.  So it's cost is not dedicated to just the XM unit.  

Overall cost at $1325.00 did not include the rear amp.  Total outlay for the radio upgrade wasn't $1325.00 though.  I sold the 05 radio kit (radio,speakers, and that overlay harness you no longer use so the kit was complete) for $810.00 and a spare set of HogTunes I'd collected for $90.00.  So only ended up with about $425.00 in the radio upgrade.  That much lower total outlay made the extra expense for the great new amp kit from Hawg Wired much more palatable.  The new radio, XM kit, overlay harness and amp kit are actually only in to me for about $1050.00.

I looked at the rear amp.  Mounting and electronic audio specs are available.  We could mount it (physically) without a problem.  If you've got a fixed tour pak it wouldn't even be a bad solution.  It's actually not a "great" amp as it delivers a fair amount of distortion well before it's total output is reached.  But it'd be decent.  Nothing compared to the clean large output of the HawgWired setup though; not even close.  And not nearly so esthetically effective or pleasing as well.

With a detachable tour pak, however, the rear amp is very problematic.  It has a huge harness and a LARGE plug that connects to the amp.  Would be a real chore to cut that harness and a add disconnect for detachable purposes.  Even doing so would still leave a big honking harness and plug exposed behind the seat.  Just wasn't a clean way to make it work as a detachable unit.  So went looking for something else.

That was about the same time Jim pointed me in the direction of the HawgWired amp kit.  It's a nearly ideal solution.  Small, digital (so no heat and low power consumption) and powerful.  In conjunction with the 06 radio it is a great 1-2 punch.  I wrote that it's a "nearly" ideal solution for two reasons.  

It is a big pricey, for one.  That's mitigated, however, by the facts that it works great and actually fits where we need it to.  Nothing else seems to.  Second issue would be for guys with rear speakers.  It is a two channel amp.  So a lot of guys will look at it and think you can't drive four speakers with it.  The thing is that, in fact, you can.  Just have to wire things up correctly.  If done correctly there's no harm anyplace.  The only "loss" would be the ability to control front to rear fade.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2005, 12:29:56 PM »

 
Don,
That was sweet selling the 05 system to offset the new system to that figure, makes it a no brainer for the added features of the HK system.
I'll sell mine as well, not to say that I'll get as well a deal but whatever to help offset the better.
The rear amp set-up is diffenitely not in my want list, for all the apparant reason you stated.
What I'm still curious of is did you also do the GPS with it? I have the Garmin 2620 unit, and do like it (I didnt hardwire the unit) so the cords are still somewhat of a small issue when in use. I havent had it long enough to play with alternate hook-ups, I set-up a 3 position(lighted) 12v supply unit in my chopped tour pac, for charging my phone, camera, and Ipod (the Ipod stays in there which has a signal transmitter that feeds the antenna from there) and im thinking of routing a line for the Garmin from that. All thoughts at the moment can be changed if the GPS unit the 06 has would be as equal to the 2620. I will sell the Garmin 2620 as well. Which is brand new.
The less lines and cords that are needed to accomplish the accessories the better!!
   Both the 06 HK with XM. and all needed harness and mounting plates and the Hawgwired set-up are a go. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif] Now just need to figure the GPS in or not. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2005, 01:27:02 PM »

Mark,
I didn't do the Nav unit.  And really don't plan on it unless would just stumble in to smoking deal on eBay or something someday.

The nav unit is really just a navigation unit.  Not a mapping unit at all.  It's (basically) turn by turn local routing and a trip computer all done in the small radio display.  No mapping display at all though.  Got a chance to look at one installed on a bike for a bit one afternoon and really wasn't impressed.  Especially when you find out it costs more than does the radio.

Like you I've got the Garmin 2620.  Used a simple quickly removable handlebard mount.  Also took their accessory power cable, built it a length that just effectively reaches the lighter plug with a good plug from Radio Shack, and it works great.  It's not cumbersome.  The cord is out of the way.  The unit is either on or off the bike in literally 90 seconds.

The mapping display on the 2620 is good enough, and so intuitive, that I don't even mess with hooking up the audio.  It's not necessary (at least for me), means I don't have a cord draped across the fairing or tank, and it just works great without it.  Have used it on three long-ish trips and a few short ones this way and it's a completely effective solution.

As for selling the old radio; I just put it on eBay and started the auction at a dollar (that's how I always do it there).  So the market set the price, not me.  In fact it "sold" twice.  First buyer claimed poverty after the fact; so I relisted it.  Exactly the same price the second time from a different bunch of bidders.  So something close to that price ought to be reachable again, at least for awhile.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2005, 02:29:15 PM »

Don,
That was what I thought your response was going to be, and what I figured the small screen would do. I didnt think that it would be that much though. Question answered, that would be that! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
  I'll then stay with the 2620 and redoe the power led to it, so as to hide it as much as possible and out of my way. The voice option even at top setting doesnt work on the bike, it does however work very well in the Denali, that it needs to be turned to half volume.
Ebay will be having another unit rolling through it soon. Unless someone on this site needs one then it would go to a member first!
Thanks again for the help and tips Don [smiley=drink.gif]
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« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2005, 02:33:57 PM »

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Don,
That was what I thought your response was going to be, and what I figured the small screen would do. I didnt think that it would be that much though. Question answered, that would be that! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
  I'll then stay with the 2620 and redoe the power led to it, so as to hide it as much as possible and out of my way. The voice option even at top setting doesnt work on the bike, it does however work very well in the Denali, that it needs to be turned to half volume.
Ebay will be having another unit rolling through it soon. Unless someone on this site needs one then it would go to a member first!
Thanks again for the help and tips Don [smiley=drink.gif]
Mark

Mark,
The audio out of the 2620 never will work right when just plugged in to the aux port on the bike's radio.  One is an amplified and the other an unamplified line.  There are some signal adapators you can get to plug in between.  But that makes even more "stuff" in the cable.  More to be ugly and in the way.  I'll PM you my phone number.  It appears we've got a fair bit of the same stuff going on.  Never hesitate to call if you're wondering about something.

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2005, 04:24:39 PM »

2lane,
I'll go online with Garmin to see if theres another cable that will do me without the speaker in it, seeing as it will just touch the tank if I "park it" the whole way.
Thank for the numbers bro [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2005, 07:18:29 AM »

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2lane,
I'll go online with Garmin to see if theres another cable that will do me without the speaker in it, seeing as it will just touch the tank if I "park it" the whole way.
Thank for the numbers bro [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
Mark

Mark, don't buy a cable separate.  The mount kit I got included a cable.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2005, 08:44:05 AM »

Don,
Well it does look like a lot in the way of alternate cables anyway. :-?
Although I will get the remote antenna for the Denali for sure, saw it online for $56.00 instead of Garmins site for $99.00  [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #36 on: November 26, 2005, 08:48:13 PM »

Mark, mounts for the Garmin units was being chatted up in another thread too.  Take a look here for a post that takes longer to read than it does to use or mount any of the parts it is talking about:

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1132935548/12#12
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2005, 09:52:49 PM »

Dude,

Just an FYI on the swap of the amps as mentioned earlier in this thread.  With the first amps supplied interference from them was spoofing the small antenna tucked up inside the fairing on the red bike.  Paul at HawgWired sent a replacement pair of a newly revised model.  

Where the interference previously caused the radio's seek function to stop on every freq the new amps completely cleaned up the problem.  Seek functions work perfectly again.

I'd not reported the issue to HawgWired as a problem. The system worked too well to complain about and favorite FM stations could be preset anyway.  Of his own accord Paul sent the replacements to see if they'd help.  

The same may not be as complete a solution for someone with a differnet antenna or different placement.  But at least in my case it works perfect now.  Should anyone have pieces in hand causing a similar problem my original amps were marked as REV 2A pieces.  The replacements are REV 3A.

Great service by the company and, once again, a wonderfully performing and beautifully designed product.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2005, 10:29:31 PM »

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Dude,

Just an FYI on the swap of the amps as mentioned earlier in this thread.  With the first amps supplied interference from them was spoofing the small antenna tucked up inside the fairing on the red bike.  Paul at HawgWired sent a replacement pair of a newly revised model.  

Where the interference previously caused the radio's seek function to stop on every freq the new amps completely cleaned up the problem.  Seek functions work perfectly again.

I'd not reported the issue to HawgWired as a problem. The system worked too well to complain about and favorite FM stations could be preset anyway.  Of his own accord Paul sent the replacements to see if they'd help.  

The same may not be as complete a solution for someone with a differnet antenna or different placement.  But at least in my case it works perfect now.  Should anyone have pieces in hand causing a similar problem my original amps were marked as REV 2A pieces.  The replacements are REV 3A.

Great service by the company and, once again, a wonderfully performing and beautifully designed product.

Thanks for the update Don, I'll pass the positive feedback onto Paul. Did you try the speakers?

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« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2005, 11:45:26 PM »

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Thanks for the update Don, I'll pass the positive feedback onto Paul. Did you try the speakers?


Jim, yes; did try the speakers.  At least to my ears there's not a heluva lot of difference.  The HogTunes seem to be a bit "bigger" down low while the HawgWired speakers are a bit purer in mid range and up high.  Both are good.  And the differences are there.  Just not in tremendous amounts either way.

When Paul told me he was sending the amps he'd asked for an update on how well or if they made a difference.  So I let him know this evening that the improvement was substantial.  Really got the system back to working "normally," which is all you can ever ask for.

Seems now that the only thing to do with the HawgWired equipment is wait for the new speakers that Paul has described.  Hopefully before spring we'll see those as an option.  From at least his early descriptions of the product those should be well worth waiting for.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2005, 10:59:34 PM »

Jim and I swapped out my Hog Tunes for the Hawg-Wired speakers today.  In the 80 MPH test, I feel that the Hawg-Wired are nicer to my ear.  The Hot Tunes are fuller, but the crispness of the mids and highs (which is all you really hear at 80 MPH) is better in the Hawg-Wired speakers.  I'm very happy with the Hawg-Wired amp/speaker combo.  Like Twolane said, now all I have to do is wait for the new speakers to be put on the market...

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« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2006, 10:52:25 PM »

Guys,

 I talked to Paul at the V Twin Expo last weekend. He has the new speakers in his bike at this point and said they'd be available to the public shortly (weeks not month's as he put it). So stand by for updates. I guess you could start placing order's at this point.............

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Guys,

 I talked to Paul at the V Twin Expo last weekend. He has the new speakers in his bike at this point and said they'd be available to the public shortly (weeks not month's as he put it). So stand by for updates. I guess you could start placing order's at this point.............

Fatboy


Thanks for the heads up.  Have checked their website once ever few weeks but no notice of new pieces there yet.  Glad to know we're that much closer.  

So Zippers will have their cams and other parts released, Hawg Wired their new speakers; might be an expensive spring  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2006, 11:44:00 PM »

Allright fellas.....what's the poop.   My bro PC needs his scoot back (and quite frankly...I'd like it the hell out of my garage........I got some other things to do to it in the mean tme,  but what's the best bang for buck),  My new lift is coming soon (I hope),  that means only 3 bikes at a time.......(I like threesomes.......YIPEE!!!!!)  anyway,  good info on the tunes,    but is this Harg-Wired stuff really that good...??????   A little help????? [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=cherry.gif]
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« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2006, 11:46:37 PM »

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Allright fellas.....what's the poop.   My bro PC needs his scoot back (and quite frankly...I'd like it the hell out of my garage........I got some other things to do to it in the mean tme,  but what's the best bang for buck),  My new lift is coming soon (I hope),  that means only 3 bikes at a time.......(I like threesomes.......YIPEE!!!!!)  anyway,  good info on the tunes,    but is this Harg-Wired stuff really that good...??????   A little help????? [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=cherry.gif]

Got the Hawg-Wired amps and speakers on my SEEG and with a Thunderheader I have the volume about 2/3 - 3/4 and can hear it clearly at 85 MPH.  My vote is yes, it's worth it.
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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2006, 11:50:29 PM »

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Allright fellas.....what's the poop.   My bro PC needs his scoot back (and quite frankly...I'd like it the hell out of my garage........I got some other things to do to it in the mean tme,  but what's the best bang for buck),  My new lift is coming soon (I hope),  that means only 3 bikes at a time.......(I like threesomes.......YIPEE!!!!!)  anyway,  good info on the tunes,    but is this Harg-Wired stuff really that good...??????   A little help????? [smiley=banana.gif] [smiley=cherry.gif]


Wouldn't be necessary if you were going with an aftermarket radio with a decent sized amp already built in to it.  Working with a stock radio, however, it really is "that good."  Designed for the bike environment.  Fits in the fairing.  Very nicely engineered.  Works great.  Digital amp so low power requirements and heat output (i.e., designed for the bike environment).  I looked around for awhile and found nothing comparable.  For more of a discussion see this thread:

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« Reply #46 on: February 08, 2006, 12:14:33 AM »

I am not totally sold on the digital amp technology.  It is only two channels of power and not stable into the lower impedances that would allow the two channels to run the four speakers.  They say there is not enough room to run two amp systems under the fairing. All things being equal, the four speakers should be amplified equally IMHO.  This leads one to think about a more traditional car stereo solution. I am thinking about going with JL or Zapco speakers and doing an AMP mounted right under the tourpak cover.  Now i know that having the hawg wired stuff is very nice because its digital and can be hidden in the fairing (the advantages of this not to be dismissed lightly) but, i am "considering" going the more traditional way despite the drawbacks in power, heat and space. I just think the sound will be substantially better - but what the heck do i know - i am new to the whole stereo in my scooter deal and am trying to learn

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« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2006, 12:38:54 AM »

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I am not totally sold on the digital amp technology.  It is only two channels of power and not stable into the lower impedances that would allow the two channels to run the four speakers.  They say there is not enough room to run two amp systems under the fairing. All things being equal, the four speakers should be amplified equally IMHO.  This leads one to think about a more traditional car stereo solution. I am thinking about going with JL or Zapco speakers and doing an AMP mounted right under the tourpak cover.  Now i know that having the hawg wired stuff is very nice because its digital and can be hidden in the fairing (the advantages of this not to be dismissed lightly) but, i am "considering" going the more traditional way despite the drawbacks in power, heat and space. I just think the sound will be substantially better - but what the heck do i know - i am new to the whole stereo in my scooter deal and am trying to learn

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Stand by if you can on the "car" audio products. Car audio products do not take into consideration heat production nor current draw. You bike's charging system can not handle a large amplifier for very long. I spent many years in the high end car audio biz and I know the ramifications of current draw on a vehicles charging system. Not to mention the heat that is produced by these amplifiers. Eventually they will cook themselves in an enclosed tour pack or saddlebag.

Today I installed a Hawg-Wired system in an 06 UC. I just amplified the front speakers and left the rears on the outputs of the HK deck. It sounded really good. The fronts were much louder than the rears but you could hear them and they did add some sound into the mix. Kind of like rear speakers in a home theater system.

There will be a true four channel setup very soon. It will all fit into the EG fairing. The new model of the speakers are about 8 weeks out.

As far as placing orders now, I would like to say you can but you can not. The final pricing for the new speakers and amp setup are not out yet. I will keep the site updated as soon as the info is available to the public.

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #48 on: February 08, 2006, 12:41:17 AM »

Thanks - thats good advice

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #49 on: February 08, 2006, 06:38:03 AM »

Did you bridge the Tourpac mounted Amp for the rear speakers, giving 80w / channel?
I am thinking of this route...

/Bill


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Stand by if you can on the "car" audio products. Car audio products do not take into consideration heat production nor current draw. You bike's charging system can not handle a large amplifier for very long. I spent many years in the high end car audio biz and I know the ramifications of current draw on a vehicles charging system. Not to mention the heat that is produced by these amplifiers. Eventually they will cook themselves in an enclosed tour pack or saddlebag.

Today I installed a Hawg-Wired system in an 06 UC. I just amplified the front speakers and left the rears on the outputs of the HK deck. It sounded really good. The fronts were much louder than the rears but you could hear them and they did add some sound into the mix. Kind of like rear speakers in a home theater system.

There will be a true four channel setup very soon. It will all fit into the EG fairing. The new model of the speakers are about 8 weeks out.

As far as placing orders now, I would like to say you can but you can not. The final pricing for the new speakers and amp setup are not out yet. I will keep the site updated as soon as the info is available to the public.
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #50 on: February 08, 2006, 09:56:00 AM »

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Did you bridge the Tourpac mounted Amp for the rear speakers, giving 80w / channel?
I am thinking of this route...

/Bill



The bike I did this on was an Ultra Classic, not a SEUC so there was no rear amp. I'm not sure if the HD amp is "bridgeable". I will look into that and let you know.

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #51 on: February 08, 2006, 01:21:36 PM »

Hey Jim,

Have you done any of the '06 HK radio updates with the HW amps in the '04 & '05 SEEGs?  I'm saving my pennies for this update.

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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #52 on: February 08, 2006, 01:31:23 PM »

i think thats the setup that TwoLane has
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Re: Hog Tunes vs. Hawg Wired Speakers
« Reply #53 on: February 08, 2006, 03:16:09 PM »

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Hey Jim,

Have you done any of the '06 HK radio updates with the HW amps in the '04 & '05 SEEGs?  I'm saving my pennies for this update.

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Yeap, Neal remembered correctly, that's what is in mine.  It's actually a great combination too.  The amplified radio we have stock in the 04 and 05 bikes has a larger amp than does the HK radio by itself without its rear amp.  So when you go from the SEEG's 04 or 05 radio to the HK you'll notice a little less overall volume.  Not a lot, but a little.  From a stock bikes radio prior to 06 the HK would be an improvement by itself.

The HK radio from the 06 bikes when combined with the HawgWired amp kit is sweet though.  Clear audio through all the ranges I can hear.  It works great.  And there is greater audio output than you're ever going to need.  Not only can you still hear it at 100 mph, the guy on the bike behind you can too if you wish him too.

If you're really interested in superior flexibility for the audio system that all fits inside the fairing without gettng too warm or pulling threatening amounts on the charging system than sticking the 06 HK radio and XM kit and the HawgWired amp kit in your previous model years bike is an elegant solution.

Check out the FLHTCSE section of the site.  There are threads that illustrate and describe the installs of each along with quite a bit of conversation on both of the products at the time.

HD-Dude has dealt with many of the amp installs now too.  So hit him up for all the details you may be wondering about.  He can also save you a bit of money off the mftr's price too.
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