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[Jeevz]

I'm no expert but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night...

Right above the signatures on page 2 it says the order is only good for the model year listed which is 2015.  That implies it means the 120ST crate motor that currently exists is approved to install in CA bikes for model year 2015 not that it will be in all the 2016 models listed.  It may be in the '16's but I don't believe that's what this order is saying.

[Afdharley]

Agree with Jeevz. This is just to finish up the 50 state legal 120 crate motor.

Nothing in that report about anything twin cooled.

[grc]

Absolutely as Jeevz noted.  All this pertains to is the 120ST crate engine being approved for use in the listed models.  None of this is about the 2016 models.

Jerry

[FLSTFI Dave]

Ok, this makes sense.

I do wonder if they will put it on some bikes in 16 out of the factory, or maybe even a twin cooled out of the factory for 16.

[ZVO]

Dealers received a notice that 120 engines only come with a 1 year warranty.

[Puma]

 

[grc]

Dealers received a notice that 120 engines only come with a 1 year warranty.

Not surprising, since Harley has some of the shortest warranties in the business.  At least they offer a short warranty on the ST version, the R version has no warranty.  IF they decide the ST is going to be the next CVO engine, they will then have to bump it up to match the rest of the bike's two year warranty.  Still way too little when you consider the price of the product, the quality and reliability history, and the kinds of warranties offered by other bike companies and of course the auto industry. 

Jerry

[ZVO]

Yes extended warranty on a 120 will be extremely necessary

[Cat Eye]

Just curious, Do you think the 110 cvo touring bikes are under powered?

I know its no crotch rocket...and won't do wheelies like Steve's bike.

Other than the marketing "mine is bigger than your's" thing....what will the 120ST in the touring bike bring to the table? 

[JCZ]

OK, all you nay sayers have to keep your 110 until 2020! 

Seriously, I think you'll see it at least in the CVOs in Aug.  They may keep the 110s in the standard line of baggers another year.....then it'll be in all the baggers.  Or, just like everybody else here, I could be totally wrong and it's in all the baggers in Aug. 

[JCZ]

Just curious, Do you think the 110 cvo touring bikes are under powered?

I know its no crotch rocket...and won't do wheelies like Steve's bike.

Other than the marketing "mine is bigger than your's" thing....what will the 120ST in the touring bike bring to the table?

I remember when we went from my Pan/Shovel to an 80" and thought it had so much more power.  Then we experienced it again when they went to 88".  And oh man.....then it was the 96" least we not forget the proven workhorse, the Screamin Eagle 103" (available in CVOs only) and now we have the 110 and looking at the 120 on the horizon.

[charles05663]

I think this is just a beta test before they roll it out as a standard option.  This way they get the power junkies to test and find the bugs for them and hopefully get the customer to pay for the repairs since they only have a one year warranty.

 

[Puma]

Just curious, Do you think the 110 cvo touring bikes are under powered?

I know its no crotch rocket...and won't do wheelies like Steve's bike.

Other than the marketing "mine is bigger than your's" thing....what will the 120ST in the touring bike bring to the table?

When news of this motor first was released there was a torque number in the story that was less than what I got from my 110 with a pipe and tune. I'm sure the same pipe and tune on a 120 would put it above my numbers, but I don't know by how much. I went from a 96 balanced motor to a 110 CVO RK. I'm going to guess that that was a much bigger power difference than what will exist between the 110 and 120. Oh, to answer your first question, no, I don't think the 110 cvo's are underpowered.

[FLH91]

The way I read the first couple paragraphs is the 120ST is now approved as a replacement motor for those 2015 bikes.  An option and/or accessory.  I guess maybe I'm not reading any father into it right now...  Am I wrong?

[CVOStreetglide]

The way I read the first couple paragraphs is the 120ST is now approved as a replacement motor for those 2015 bikes.  An option and/or accessory.  I guess maybe I'm not reading any father into it right now...  Am I wrong?

Only the non-waterheads.  CVO's are now 110 waterheads as of this year.

IF they do the 2016 CVO line with the 120 it will have to be converted to a waterhead.