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[LarryB]

hmmm, and the G has been using street gangs for some time too, Financing CIA operations takes lots of money that can't be traced. west coast cartels, operating under the guise of gangs but backed by...........Snoop G?

[JCZ]

Street gangs are becoming daily news.  Now it's the guys in blue going at it.  Last week a CDC (Calif. Dept. of Corrections....aka prison guard) was standing in his garage in full uniform at 5:00 a.m. and was shot and killed.  Yesterday they arrested a Sacramento County Deputy Sherriff in connection with that murder and also for having an illegal assault rifle.

This week a federal prison correctional officer was gunned down in his driveway, forty miles south of here, in Stockton but they say the two are unrelated.

[SPIDERMAN]

OMGs have been using street gangs to do their dirty work for a long time now.

These seizures are are result of association with an organization that has been deemed criminal, while members of the Masons have committed criminal acts, their group has not been formed for that reason.

See this is where everything gets fuzzy. The Hell's Angels were formed by bored GI's fresh from WWII. The Pagans, Outlawas, Bandidos, Sons of Silence and Mongols more of the same only different wars. In the beginning, there was no difference between the Boozefighters and the Angels. Now of course, the Boozefighters are Nation wide Mom and Pop riding club and the Angels - - -- - well I'd say if this thing with the Mongols sticks we'll see it handed down for a number of organizations. And therein lies the rub if I may paraphrase Shakespear. Where do you draw the line. If the litmus test is that the club " was formed" to promote criminal activity then you've got a tough case to make. We Americans may not like criminals, may advocate their arrest and imprisonment, but we love freedom more and when catching the bad guys infringes on the rights of law abiding citizens then the chit hits the fan. That's one of the great curses of a free society. There are always those who will use the rights of all for the benefit of a few.

As always, just my $0.02 and not necessarily grounded in anything other than 55 years of living

B B

[BLM777]

Good point BB, in discussing where the very thin and razor sharp edge really is.  Ironically, the most benign organization can step off into the RICO hole regardless of the original intentions, charter or business history of the enterprise.  Case in point is BCCI International Bank and its' subsequent affiliates and holdings within the US.  For years BCCI functioned as a boutique entity originated by several London and Dubai bankers of long standing repute as investment specialists.  Legitimate, for a while.
Based upon its' track record, it became the "in" place for the rich and famous in US to house out of reach funds.  After operating for some time on a legitimate level, BCCI secretly purchased two additional established banks in the US, CenTrust Savings Bank in Miami and Independence Bank of California.  Between 1984 and 1991 DEA and IRS tracked approximately 125 cases of drug proceeds through BCCI and the US affiliates all of which had, at one time been legitimate.  When the RICO indictment came down in 1991 the "G" seized 550 million in cash, all bank assets including those of BCCI in their branches in Cayman and Panama.  Within 30 days over 40 bank employees and associates pled guilty.  DOJ managed the physical properties until they were liquidated.  Despite a reported 8.5 million in legal fees they fell right off in the RICO hole.
Sorry for the protracted example, but it really points up how the best intentions or business plan can develop into a criminal enterprise and subject itself to extensive seizures and individual criminal exposure.

[iski]

http://www.mongolsmc.com/

[Hoist!]

http://www.mongolsmc.com/

"TO OUR ENEMIES:
A man’s greatest pleasure is to defeat his enemies, to drive them before him, to take from them that which they possess, to see those whom they cherish in tears, to ride their horses, to hold their wives and daughters in his arms.
-Genghis Khan 1162-1227"


Actually, I like that line!!! We should'a been using it on the ME since 9/11!

Hoist!

[iski]

"TO OUR ENEMIES:
A man’s greatest pleasure is to defeat his enemies, to drive them before him, to take from them that which they possess, to see those whom they cherish in tears, to ride their horses, to hold their wives and daughters in his arms.
-Genghis Khan 1162-1227"


Actually, I like that line!!! We should'a been using it on the ME since 9/11!

Hoist!

Gotta respect that independence.

Found this - looks like a good read:  http://www.amazon.com/Honor-Few-Fear-None-Mongol/dp/0061137898

[murphy]

There should be no respect for someone who claims they are a 1%er... they appear to be part the community when it benefits them.

It boils down to public relations... but make no mistake, they will rape, pillage, or murder in a heart beat.

Don't  believe anything you hear or read, and only half of what you see.

[Screamin]

Seems that the outlaw clubs are and have been waaaay out of control north of the border. Bombings, an astounding amount of murders and general mayhem. They serve nothing but themselves and we all get caught up in the crossfire. Good luck up there.

[porthole]

Chapter 13 says a lot

[Hoist!]

Im a little worried how this will affect other 1% clubs that are not actual outlaw clubs. Will this become a much larger witchhunt by some suit and tie's that have no clue about MC's? I am in a club that earns money by having poker runs, partys, renting out our clubhouse for wedings and donations by sponsors etc., we give all of our profits to various organizations, such as local school sports programs, make a wish foundation, special olympics, M.A.D.D. just to name a few, and we raise a lot of $$. So you see, some innocents can be hurt here over this . Time will tell, but I don't think the yanking of colors off anyone for any reason, is such a good idea.

Gotta say it's a lil freaky seeing that Avatar in this thread!!! Not a criticism, just a thought.

Hoist!

[Cigarmike]

Gotta say it's a lil freaky seeing that Avatar in this thread!!! Not a criticism, just a thought.

Hoist!

Which is exactly what I mean, people who have no clue, will see a patch holder and instantly think the worse.......god damn those Hog Chapters !!! 

[Hoist!]

Which is exactly what I mean, people who have no clue, will see a patch holder and instantly think the worse.......god damn those Hog Chapters !!! 

Not thinking the worst, best or anything. Just happened to notice is all! And believe me, I'm no HOG dude!

Hoist!

[SPIDERMAN]

Gotta say it's a lil freaky seeing that Avatar in this thread!!! Not a criticism, just a thought.

Hoist!

Freakier still, use photoshop and change it to Red/White or Red/Yellow

[murphy]

Im a little worried how this will affect other 1% clubs that are not actual outlaw clubs. Will this become a much larger witchhunt by some suit and tie's that have no clue about MC's? I am in a club that earns money by having poker runs, partys, renting out our clubhouse for wedings and donations by sponsors etc., we give all of our profits to various organizations, such as local school sports programs, make a wish foundation, special olympics, M.A.D.D. just to name a few, and we raise a lot of $$. So you see, some innocents can be hurt here over this . Time will tell, but I don't think the yanking of colors off anyone for any reason, is such a good idea.

All 1%ers are omgs... if your in a club that doesn't commit crimes and does charity stuff then your not in the 1%... and if that has to be explained to you than you most definitely are not!