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[harley56]

If I'm reading between the lines that are coming out of our KY Capital I no way think that Harley is leaving York. I think this is just there way of busting the unions balls and getting all the tax breaks they want. Kentucky has a history for giving the farm away to get companies to come here and when they do that we all loose. Did Harley up the prices on CVO's from last year? I was told by one of the local dealerships here that no price increase over last year. Is that true. 

I think this is correct.......
Two carryover CVO's from 2009:
  -  FXDSFE:  Priced stayed the same.
  -  FLHTCUSE4:  Price increased $500

All regular touring model base MSRP's remained the same and............
Some non-CVO models have decreased for 2010 - The FLSTC (-$1,000) and the FLSTN (-$650)and I believe at least one dyna model (FXDB Street Bob) is almost $800 less than it 2008 msrp.

[NVTHIS]

The Nightly news just came on and the lead story was Harley Davidson. It was reported tonight that Harley narrowed it's search to Shelbyville, KY. only. They said a December vote would take place if the company and unions could not agree on a new contract. So if this happens it could be in my back yard. I really don't expect any move, I think it's another way to cut wages. But who knows maybe it's really going to come down to saving on shipping cost???

[MKW]

If there was a CVO website (or the web period) in the late 70's, early 80's these types of discussions would have taken place.  It is evolution, not revolution.  HD has new leadership, someone outside of the industry, to reshape the company and move it forward.  Many changes are coming and I for one look to the future with hopes that HD will get their footing and put in another 106 years!  Lets face it, Ronald Reagan isn't around anymore to help the company.

[Harleyrider_49]

Have been wonder'n on this move also, according to a local news channel in my area (Tue., I think) HD Execs. had or were meeting with KY officials, and according to 1 source, the Shelbyville in question was definately KY.   Now,....maybe HD is yank'n PA.'s chain to come on w/some more state incentives, who knows, and if they ACT like they'r mov'n.....maybe they"ll get somewhere w/ PA.  just a thought

[LarryB]

That's the general thought and has been for some. HD asked TN " what are you going to do for me ?" but since TN has gotten burned by this before by auto makers they offered some minor tax breaks. KY offered some huge incentives, they might be better off if HD stays in PA. They can't afford to loose jobs there as much as jobs are needed elsewhere.

[DCFIREMANN]

I heard through the rumor mill yesterday that the union is talking STRIKE!!! If that happens I think they may make the move to KY!

Just the thought of the cost to build and move a production facility like that is scary!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

[RedDevil]

I heard through the rumor mill yesterday that the union is talking STRIKE!!! If that happens I think they may make the move to KY!

Just the thought of the cost to build and move a production facility like that is scary!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Now there would be a smart move by the union.  Give the MoCo the excuse they need to move operations and open a non-union plant in Kentucky.  Ya gotta wonder what genius at the top of the union food chain came up with that brilliant decision.
 

[Boatman]

Now there would be a smart move by the union.  Give the MoCo the excuse they need to move operations and open a non-union plant in Kentucky.  Ya gotta wonder what genius at the top of the union food chain came up with that brilliant decision.
 

Between attitudes like that and an antiquated York plant, I'd move too.

[NVTHIS]

I can tell you guys that I live about 20 minutes from where the new plant will be build if it happens and it's on the news about everyday. The Governor just called for a special session to give Harley-Davidson more tax breaks and more of everything to get them to come. Harley would be some dumb SOB not to take what KY is offering. I think we are giving them the moon and the ride there. We want that plant and the 1,500 jobs that come with it. Come on HD we will welcome you with open arms. Sorry York but it's not the time to play hard ball with peoples jobs and how they put food on the table. Oh, the word around the dealership is they want to come and build a new plant because the state is going to help pay for it. I guess thats my tax dollars at work.

[CVOStreetglide]

I can tell you guys that I live about 20 minutes from where the new plant will be build if it happens and it's on the news about everyday. The Governor just called for a special session to give Harley-Davidson more tax breaks and more of everything to get them to come. Harley would be some dumb SOB not to take what KY is offering. I think we are giving them the moon and the ride there. We want that plant and the 1,500 jobs that come with it. Come on HD we will welcome you with open arms. Sorry York but it's not the time to play hard ball with peoples jobs and how they put food on the table. Oh, the word around the dealership is they want to come and build a new plant because the state is going to help pay for it. I guess thats my tax dollars at work.

I still can't understand why they continue to have so many assembly plants in a shrinking market.

Maybe if they do Kentucky right with state-of-the-art technology then only Kansas will be left over time.  I am still thinking that Milwaukee will be the museum for the Motor Company only.

Is your location close to a major railroad connection--east/west north/south???

[NVTHIS]

I still can't understand why they continue to have so many assembly plants in a shrinking market.

Maybe if they do Kentucky right with state-of-the-art technology then only Kansas will be left over time.  I am still thinking that Milwaukee will be the museum for the Motor Company only.

Is your location close to a major railroad connection--east/west north/south???

You maybe on to something there. We do have major Hwy's and Railroad here. That has been a big selling point, location for delivery and fright.

[moscooter]

 
I'm seeing that at least some of you are zeroing in on one of the "key" issues...........The FuKK**g union.   Just like the reasons Detroit will (never) resurface as a viable site for Autos,  (reason being union demands that won't allow for competitiveness).

I cannot believe they (HD) will settle upon any site (tax breaks, etc.) unless they can be reasonably certain they won't have to deal with union contract B.S.

[FLSTFI Dave]

Now there would be a smart move by the union.  Give the MoCo the excuse they need to move operations and open a non-union plant in Kentucky.  Ya gotta wonder what genius at the top of the union food chain came up with that brilliant decision.
 

Union leadership is out for the union executives, not the blue collar guy or gal they represent.

Between attitudes like that and an antiquated York plant, I'd move too.

Yep.

There is a reason all new auto plants have been built in the South like KY,TN, AL and so on.  Right to work states.  They still pay a very good wage, with good benifits. 

[Fired00d]

Union leadership is out for the union executives, not the blue collar guy or gal they represent.
Yep.

There is a reason all new auto plants have been built in the South like KY,TN, AL and so on.  Right to work states.  They still pay a very good wage, with good benifits. 

Sad to say but I think you've hit the nail on the head there.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[ultrafxr]

I don't know when the workers actually work.  I've been to York at least three times and all the other plants once.  I came a day early to the Pony Express ride in Saint Joseph, MO, in Sept so I could tour the KC plant on the way.  I have never ever actually seen a production line run.  There must be elves putting the bikes together at night or something.  Workers have either been on lunch break, in a plant wide meeting, doing model year changeover, etc., etc.  No joke, never seen production line running.  I'm through doing plant tours - well maybe if they do move to KY since it is so close I might give 'em just one more chance.