Only 424 more to go and I get a free tune.
I'll be interested to hear what kind of performance you get after the tuning.
Lets see,
My X Pipe,
Andrews 54,
And Doc, The master at squeezing every last drop of HP out of a bike.
I'm liking this a lot already! Go Doc! :2vrolijk_21:
Steve
So who is this Doc guy????????????
So who is this Doc guy????????????:ROFLOL:
Here you go Steve.
http://www.docsperformancetuning.com/
Jessie....he knows who I am... :D....he's being funny....lol
I pondered that for about 5 minutes before I posted that.
I'm one of those guys who always feels sorry for the poor schmuck in last place. Some people live under a rock. I being one of them I thought he might be too. I didn't know who you were until just a few days ago.
I need to get out of the house more often. :D
Yes I guess you do...lol....that masked man, Steve Cole, is the developer and CEO of TTS Powersports that makes the TTS MasterTune..... : :oops:
Now thats funny.....
I've noticed that I have more than enough power in low rpm ranges such as 2-3k which is no doubt due in part from the 255 stock cams. However, I find that when I'm passing a long vehicle like an 18 wheel rig or perhaps two or three cars, I seem to run out of steam at the top end just a bit. I want serious HP in the 4-6k rpm range so I can get the job done.
The Andrews 54 may offer more HP in that range. Even with the possible loss of a few foot pounds of torque in the low range, I am willing to make that trade. Doc has mentioned that the 54 offers a cooler temp operation over the 255. Cooler temps are high on my list of priorities.
The reasons you mentioned above are exactly why I went with the SE259G (same grind as the SE251) and it filled the bill perfectly. My bike runs WAY cooler, pulls very hard all the way to 6k and I can't tell that I lost much if any low end. It starts making noticably more power at about 2500 and doesn't stop through the power band. I find I'm riding a little harder because it is running so much better. Mine came in at 102hp and 101tq with intake, exhaust and cam change. I did not do anything with compression. I am very pleased and I think you will be to.
Thanks Doc for the new prescription for my SESG it's just what the Doc ordered!!!!!
If I recall the out come was 98/118. This is a CVO with the 255 cam.
Doc
If I recall the out come was 98/118. This is a CVO with the 255 cam.
Doc
Docs viewpoint of restrictive heads is supported by two dynos that I personally know of. Both 110 engines installed the Woods T7 cam which is bigger than the 54. However, both engines are producing less power than the 54. It should be the opposite.
Jessie, it appears that your based in North Carolina.After your done with Jessie come to Florida and I will show you the tail lights of a 103'' with a woods TW8.....that is if you have a set of field glasses... :P
Come on up to "Screamin @ New River Gorge" http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=43289.0 and I will show you the tail lights of a 110 with a Woods TW7H.
Long post and glossy dyno sheets mean nothing once the grip is twisted.
SBB
After your done with Jessie come to Florida and I will show you the tail lights of a 103'' with a woods TW8.....that is if you have a set of field glasses... :P
Chit no Doc, I know better.
But someone bashing another cam just because they are satisfied with theirs only shows a lack of respect or knowledge of other products.
Your history preceeds you, you could put a Woods cam in a Buell Blast and I'd be toast.
And that I don't need a set of field glasses for!
;)
SBB
After meeting Jesse, I doubt he was "bashing" the Woods cams or being "disrespectful", just giving his opinion based on his experience. That what happens on a forum. You evidently have a different experience and it is respected. I enjoy reading your post. Hope I get to meet you also on one of my trips up to North Carolina. You have been a great resource for me.
Chit no Doc, I know better.
But someone bashing another cam just because they are satisfied with theirs only shows a lack of respect or knowledge of other products.
Your history preceeds you, you could put a Woods cam in a Buell Blast and I'd be toast.
And that I don't need a set of field glasses for!
;)
SBB
And BTW, would enjoy seeing you at New River Gorge!Will see what I can do. Would like to meet everyone. Leaving for Maine in mid August with a couple of friends from North Carolina as the start of our 4 Points ride. Have to either cross or pass West Virginia. Would be a real pleasure to see everyone. See what I can work out.
Can you make that happen?
On this point we certainly agree.
Do you live in Matthews NC? I have all my bike work done at Harley of Charlotte in Matthews. Next time I'm up there what say we grab a cup of coffee. You'll find I have no intent to bash any one or any thing. But I might take you up on that tail light race challenge just for the heck of it. It might prove rather interesting. Loser buys the beer? :drink:
Will see what I can do. Would like to meet everyone. Leaving for Maine in mid August with a couple of friends from North Carolina as the start of our 4 Points ride. Have to either cross or pass West Virginia. Would be a real pleasure to see everyone. See what I can work out.
Look at the top right corner of the graph and tell us what correction factor says.
Doc
Doc
Can you explain to everyone about the correction factor numbers and what they mean?
CF: STD Smoothing: 5, or 3 or :nixweiss:
SBB
Correction Factors are atmospheric conditions that horsepower is rated at. We use SAE in America which stands for Society of Automotive Engineers and they say the perfect atmospheric conditions are 29.23'' mercury, dry air (no humidity), and 77 degrees. At this correction factor we can run a bike in Denver and get the same HP if we ran that bike in Miami or any where in the world for that matter.....the computer rates the air at the SAE correction no matter if it is raining, high humidity, or 100 degrees in the dyno room. STD correction factor says the perfect atmospheric conditions are 29.73, dry air, and 60 degrees, so as you can see the STD correction rates HP at a cooler temp, closer to sea level than the SAE correction. The cooler air and denser air will produce more HP so STD usually is 4% higher numbers than SAE correction factor. There are several correction factors all over the world.....Germany has their own CF called DIN, Japan has their own, Europe has their own and so on and so on. The USA seems to use the SAE and the STD so that's why I want to know what the correction factor is when people say what there numbers are....if STD is 4% higher then a 100 hp motor will put out 104 hp by a click of the mouse. The smoothing smooths out the graph....the scales is from 1 to 5 and 5 being the smoothest. If you have a graph with the tq and hp line set at smoothing 1 the graph will get real zagged and the peaks of the zags will make hp and tq much higher than it would be if the smoothing on #5. These things make a BIG difference in the hp/tq read outs with just fudging with a few things in the winPEP 7 software and if you didn't know to look for these things you can be very deceived.
Doc
The chart shows SAE Smoothing 5. If you haven't check out Man and his components please take the time to do so.
No problem. T-Man actually mentioned a different header/pipe setup would have probably yielded even better numbers but probably not worth the extra expense. ThanksI'm sure he is right on the header comment. My aurgument here is the heads don't allow these cams to breath, even though you broke 100 hp your tq is still way below what a good flowing head can produce. You have more hp than Jessie however your cam is WAY larger that Jessie's but you tq is the same as Jessie's and this is my point. I have 103'' packages that run 120/122, 107'' packages that run 125/128, 95'' packages that get 105/115, and a 113'' that yeilds 125/135....so for a 110'' only getting up to 112 tq the heads are not flowing enough air through the motor in my opinion.
My aurgument here is the heads don't allow these cams to breath, even though you broke 100 hp your tq is still way below what a good flowing head can produce. You have more hp than Jessie however your cam is WAY larger that Jessie's but you tq is the same as Jessie's and this is my point. I have 103'' packages that run 120/122, 107'' packages that run 125/128, 95'' packages that get 105/115, and a 113'' that yeilds 125/135....so for a 110'' only getting up to 112 tq the heads are not flowing enough air through the motor in my opinion.
Doc
I'm sure he is right on the header comment. My aurgument here is the heads don't allow these cams to breath, even though you broke 100 hp your tq is still way below what a good flowing head can produce. You have more hp than Jessie however your cam is WAY larger that Jessie's but you tq is the same as Jessie's and this is my point. I have 103'' packages that run 120/122, 107'' packages that run 125/128, 95'' packages that get 105/115, and a 113'' that yeilds 125/135....so for a 110'' only getting up to 112 tq the heads are not flowing enough air through the motor in my opinion.
Doc
I'm taking bets on how long till Jesse does head work.............
I'm taking bets on how long till Jesse does head work.............
I will never, I mean never do head work on this engine. This will be my last, I mean my very last Harley. Even if I do get another Harley, I won't, and I mean won't modify anything. I refuse, and I mean refuse to put loud pipes on my next Harley that I positively will never get.
Trust me.
:zroflmao:Does this mean that the Rineharts are a tad too loud for long trips? :confused5:
I will never, I mean never do head work on this engine. This will be my last, I mean my very last Harley. Even if I do get another Harley, I won't, and I mean won't modify anything. I refuse, and I mean refuse to put loud pipes on my next Harley that I positively will never get.
Trust me. :devil:
Does this mean that the Rineharts are a tad too loud for long trips? :confused5:
.Nice looking bike! There's one in my garage that looks just like it - except that I don't have the SE heavy breather. Maybe I should get one.
In my opinion, the Rinehart X-treme true dual is the best looking set a of headers money can buy.
Excellent photos. I'll be posting mine soon too Frank. Bike looks fantastic. :2vrolijk_21:
Those are good numbers.Thanks for all of the posts about your tune with Doc. I look forward to seeing a pic of the Rinehart XTremes on your bike!
Mine are 112 torque at 3250 and 98.19 HP at 5500.
I wanted to be able to stretch it out a bit at higher RPM's. I believe the Rinehart XTremes and the Andrews 54 work pretty good together to make that happen. My torque comes in a little later than yours although it's a rock solid 100@ 3000 rpm.
Doc, did you ever get the decel pop out of the guy from Wesley Chappels red 08 103 Ultra? Heard his side, wondered what yours was. From what I heard he said you got him big HP/Torq but he has decel pop excessively and lo (30) mpg. Is this common with your tunes? Or a one off thing?
Thanks
With those Rinehart X duals, how do you access the oil filler spout?Good question :2vrolijk_21: I had to go back and look at the pictures and it doesn't look it's going to be easy. :nervous:
Looks are deceiving fellas. I just changed my oil and filter not 15 minutes ago before heading to the Myrtle Beach rally. Access to the filler cap is no problem. If you check it when pipes are scorching hot I'd be very careful but the cap is fully accessible.So true.. Maybe a picture from standing up looking down at the pipe would show better access.. this may help someone that is considering these pipes. :nixweiss:
ask and you shall receiveThanks. :2vrolijk_21:
no Fired00d don't ask about my other pics lololololI was thinking if I ever make it to Pompano Beach Florida I meet you somewhere and I buy the first round. ;) :D :D :D
no Fired00d don't ask about my other pics lololololI like to do a hot check of the engine oil. How easy is that with the Rinehart Xtremes, without your right hand hitting the pipe (if you're right-handed)?
and take more pics but on yours !!!!!Yessir!!!!! You read my mind. ;) :D :D
I like to do a hot check of the engine oil. How easy is that with the Rinehart Xtremes, without your right hand hitting the pipe (if you're right-handed)?
:D...I told him to remove the heat wrap from his pipe then come back....I want to cool the pipe down to stop the popping and the heat wrap was keeping in the heat. He will be back this week to remove all popping.Doc, I did come back and you have not resolved the poor gas mileage or the popping. Where do we go from here?
No, I don't let those things leave the dyno but this case is much different....this is the ONLY time popping has left my shop after a tune.
I have a Jim's 131 with a Boarzilla pipe and the only hot spot was the pipe off the rear cylinder. I took the heat shield off and wrapped the rear part of the pipe then put the shield back on. The hot spot is gone and the whole thing is much cooler than my 110 motor that had head work but still stock cams. I had a small amount of popping before the wrap and it is exactly the same after the pipe wrap. So am curious how the wrap makes any difference. In my case I will keep the wrap.
Popping is mainly caused by low back pressure exhaust. This allows oxygen to enter the pipe and cause the popping noise. The wrong mix of parts can and does cause popping and you cannot always get rid of all of it. A camshaft selection along with an exhaust that doesn't play nice together along with head work all plays a part. That is just the way it is sometimes
Looks like doc did a nice job with your Skunk.
He will be seeing mine once I get back to the USA.
I have the Jackpot head pipe and Jackpot pro tour mufflers.
Debating weather or not I will built the motor.
You need to build the motor. :)I'm sure I do. I know I want to. Need mainly to see how funds and timing works out. I do not want the bike down while I am in the USA and could be riding it. LOL
I just had Doc tune my 2012 Road Glide Skunk and I just could not believe the difference. The bike is very happy now and I am :orange: to.
Doc replaced the head pipe to a Jackpot Series 2-1-2 Dyno tuned assembly. I wanted to keep my stock mufflers because I liked the look so Doc had Fullsac replace the baffles with Fullsac 2" baffles. Doc used a TTS Master Tune.
My SAE dyno numbers are 96.35hp and 121.07 tq.
I can't say enough about Doc. Good guy and knows his stuff.
Thanks Frank but Doc only tuned it.....the Fullsac 2'' cores and X Pipe is what made the power....I only made sure we got it out.
It was a 65 degree day when we tuned Franks bike and the UNCORRECTED graph was 127tq and 101hp....thats awesome for a pipe/baffle change.
Doc