Topic: Heat Demons?? (Read 8537 times)

opee6969 · « **on:** November 08, 2008, 03:06:07 PM »

Will Heat Demons work on an 08' and later bike. I was told, unofficially, the handlebar on the throttle side won't allow the heating element to be inserted into it. Please advise...

Opee

mr_magoo · « **Reply #1 on:** November 08, 2008, 03:14:47 PM »

May have to do with the FBW throttle.

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 08, 2008, 05:08:45 PM »

I just talked to Mike at Symtec Inc about the grips for TBW throttle. So he sent me a right side heater element to try only difference is it is longer so wirining clears the TBW encoder. Mike said there was enough room on the 08 bikes for the element. Mike also said they have tested the heater with the TBW with no ill effects. So I tried to install today on my 09 FLTRSE3 and there was not enough clearance to get the TBW encoder and heater element into the handlebar. I will be calling Mike Monday to let him know and if he can offer any tips. I will update info if he has any ideas. I do not know if there is any change from 08 to 09 TBW encoder. I really wanted this to work I really miss my heated grips.

Brad

Fired00d · « **Reply #3 on:** November 08, 2008, 05:11:11 PM »

Quote from: hdbrad03 on November 08, 2008, 05:08:45 PM

I just talked to Mike at Symtec Inc about the grips for TBW throttle. So he sent me a right side heater element to try only difference is it is longer so wirining clears the TBW encoder. Mike said there was enough room on the 08 bikes for the element. Mike also said they have tested the heater with the TBW with no ill effects. So I tried to install today on my 09 FLTRSE3 and there was not enough clearance to get the grip and heater element into the handlebar. I will be calling Mike Monday to let him know and if he can offer any tips. I will update info if he has any ideas. I do not know if there is any change from 08 to 09 TBW encoder. I really wanted this to work I really miss my heated grips.

Brad

Brad,
Can you supply a picture of this for those that have TBW? TIA.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #4 on:** November 08, 2008, 05:28:43 PM »

Sure I can take a picture of the heater element but the Bike is back together. I should have snapped a few photo's while trying to install but I had a brain fart and did not. More later.

Brad

sportygordy · « **Reply #5 on:** November 08, 2008, 09:40:17 PM »

Brad,

Do you have stock bars?

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #6 on:** November 08, 2008, 10:05:14 PM »

Yes, Mike told me that the 08's had enough room for the heating element to fit. Not the case on the 09 FLTRSE3. Theclearance from the encoder to the inside of the bar is nill. The encoder barely fits.

Brad

opee6969 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2008, 01:36:17 PM »

The bike I'm trying to get the Heat Demons to fit in is an 08' Street Glide. Will they fit on this bike?

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2008, 02:29:25 PM »

They claim no issues with 08 models but it is a different kit than the standard kit. The throttle side element is longer to clear the TBW Encoder. They are presently looking into the 09's to see if HD changed the Encoder size. More later.

Brad

Boatman · « **Reply #9 on:** January 01, 2009, 04:28:51 PM »

Quote from: hdbrad03 on November 10, 2008, 02:29:25 PM

They claim no issues with 08 models but it is a different kit than the standard kit. The throttle side element is longer to clear the TBW Encoder. They are presently looking into the 09's to see if HD changed the Encoder size. More later.

Brad

Brad, what have you found out about the Demons fitting 08-09's with TBW? Looking to install on 09 Streetglide if wife pulls the trigger. She won't be without heaters.

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:26:42 PM »

Measure the inside diameter of your handlebar if it is 7/8" or bigger the 08 kit will work. I had to drill out my handlebar to 7/8" on my 09 FLTRSE3. Which I would not recommend in was a bi#$h. I now have heated grips. Symtec really went the extra mile on my install. Good luck and for sure you will enjoy the Heat Demons!

Brad

Twolanerider · « **Reply #11 on:** January 01, 2009, 05:31:14 PM »

Quote from: hdbrad03 on January 01, 2009, 05:26:42 PM

Measure the inside diameter of your handlebar if it is 7/8" or bigger the 08 kit will work. I had to drill out my handlebar to 7/8" on my 09 FLTRSE3. Which I would not recommend in was a bi#$h. I now have heated grips. Symtec really went the extra mile on my install. Good luck and for sure you will enjoy the Heat Demons!

Brad

So the ID of the handlebar is the difference? Symtec released their 08 specific product before the 09s were a known quantity. Then someone here reported an issue with an 09 but I never caught the specifics of why.

Brad, your experience mirrors my own with Symtec. Easy and effective people to work with. How we wish all vendors would be. If the issue is their elements rather than their controls that might be a relatively easy adjustment for them to make. They've already got several different elements in use between ATV, snowmobile and other products. Thanks for the heads up on the actual product difference you witnessed and worked through.

Boatman · « **Reply #12 on:** January 08, 2009, 02:55:06 PM »

I just received a Heat Demon set for an 09 Streetglide after calling them. Will let you know how the install goes.

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 08, 2009, 04:55:37 PM »

Quote from: Twolanerider on January 01, 2009, 05:31:14 PM

So the ID of the handlebar is the difference? Symtec released their 08 specific product before the 09s were a known quantity. Then someone here reported an issue with an 09 but I never caught the specifics of why.

Brad, your experience mirrors my own with Symtec. Easy and effective people to work with. How we wish all vendors would be. If the issue is their elements rather than their controls that might be a relatively easy adjustment for them to make. They've already got several different elements in use between ATV, snowmobile and other products. Thanks for the heads up on the actual product difference you witnessed and worked through.

Don I think the issue is the CVO Bars are chromed and maybe the TBW Sensor is different than the Normal Production Bikes. There is a additional pair of wires which I think is the heater element for the CVO Ultras. So the diameter of TBW maybe larger on the CVO's. I do not have a CVO supplement so I cannot identify the extra wires. The wiring Colors are different for the Throttle part also when compared to the standard electrical Schematic. So there are many unknown variables.

Brad

Twolanerider · « **Reply #14 on:** January 08, 2009, 06:12:44 PM »

Quote from: hdbrad03 on January 08, 2009, 04:55:37 PM

Don I think the issue is the CVO Bars are chromed and maybe the TBW Sensor is different than the Normal Production Bikes. There is a additional pair of wires which I think is the heater element for the CVO Ultras. So the diameter of TBW maybe larger on the CVO's. I do not have a CVO supplement so I cannot identify the extra wires. The wiring Colors are different for the Throttle part also when compared to the standard electrical Schematic. So there are many unknown variables.

Brad

Thanks Brad. Even though specifics of differences might be yet unknown the fact of differences seems to be known for sure. That's a first step.

TN · « **Reply #15 on:** January 08, 2009, 06:29:42 PM »

so i could put heat on the left side?

TN

Boatman · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2009, 01:22:07 PM »

Quote from: opee6969 on November 08, 2008, 03:06:07 PM

Will Heat Demons work on an 08' and later bike. I was told, unofficially, the handlebar on the throttle side won't allow the heating element to be inserted into it. Please advise...

Opee

Here is a picture of the LH Heat Demon and TBW control on an 09 Streetglide with std handlebars. A CVO has different handlebars so this may not apply..

Boatman · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2009, 01:23:30 PM »

Here is a picture of the TBW assy with the Heat Demon wrapped around the TBW control and being pushed into the handlebar together.

Boatman · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2009, 01:35:01 PM »

It was A LOT harder than doing my 05 SEEG or 03 Fatboy. When you slide the TBW control out of the handlebar, you have to "feed" the remaining cable that is inside the fairing out with the TBW.. There is about 10-12" of additional wire inside the fairing. The problem is that even in doing that, the TBW control unplugged itself from the wiring inside the handlebar and it's a HELL of a job to get the wire fed back thru the bar with the plug on the end of the wire. The plug connector that couples the TBW unit to the wiring harness inside the handlebar does not even lock properly (like it is meant to pull apart). I put electrical tape around that connection when done.

When I got the wires from the throttle side over to the clutch grip side, there was about 10" wire left outside the bar. I did not cut that off and stuffed the excess wire inside the middle of the bar (where the TBW goes thru) so if the TBW control had to be pulled out again, I probably will have enough wire to pull the Heat Demon out along with it.

On the 05, I did not have to take the radio out. On this 09, taking the radio out made the job much easier. Problem is, I stripped one of the allen screw nutserts out in the side of the radio. Right now I have 3 screws fully tightened and the stripped screw is about 1/2 way in and won't come back out. I did not pull the radio back out. Figured would have to come back out someday.

Does anyone know the part # of the Harmon Kardon radio nutsert? On my 05, the nutsert was an easily replaced rubber nutsert. The allen screws look the same. To replace the nutsert on the HK, it looks like the cover would have to come off.

Did I say I wouldn't wish this job on my worst enemy??

Boatman · « **Reply #19 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:21:41 PM »

Well, the Heat Demons worked fine on the 09 Streetglide with stock handlebars. Decided to change to the Harley pull back reach bars and now have the problem Brad described on his 09 SERG.. The pull back handlebars are chrome and the inside diameter of the bar is too small for the TBW sensor and the heat demon. Brad already said drilling his bars was a beech. Will call Symtec tomorrow. NOTHING is ever easy.

Brad, if you can add any more, I'd appreciate any help. Thanks, Bob

spydglide · « **Reply #20 on:** March 16, 2009, 11:13:28 PM »

The Heat Demons are well worth the effort/expense.......mine paid off in spades on my recent Daytona run. I know that all these bells & whistles & doodads are not suppose to be on a 'pure mc'......but, this is one addition that my ole hands really appreciate. Don't have to wear those over-stuffed gloves that make you feel like a spaz.

har!

spyder

hogasm · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2009, 08:05:59 AM »

For those of you with heated clothing...Symtec has come out with a controller that goes on the right handlebar clamp that matches the Heat Deamon one. It has 4 levels. I don't see it on their web site but they had them in Daytona.

MJZ · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:27:41 PM »

Quote from: hogasm on March 17, 2009, 08:05:59 AM

For those of you with heated clothing...Symtec has come out with a controller that goes on the right handlebar clamp that matches the Heat Deamon one. It has 4 levels. I don't see it on their web site but they had them in Daytona.

Interesting idea but I have to have a dual controller as my gloves do not get near as warm as my jackets. I usually have my jacket on 2 or 3 and my gloves on 8 or 9. So I think I just saved a few bucks.

Indenial · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:38:32 PM »

So, does the Heat Demon fit an 09 SERG or not? Read lots of stuff here.

Boatman · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:17:01 PM »

Quote from: Indenial on March 17, 2009, 01:38:32 PM

So, does the Heat Demon fit an 09 SERG or not? Read lots of stuff here.

No, the inside diameter of the bar on the SERG is 1/16" diameter to small per Brad. He somehow drilled his out to 7/8" but a beech of a job.

Maybe better going with HD's heated grips.

Stock bars on a regular touring bike are no problem. The pullback bars will not work either.

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:36:56 PM »

Quote from: hogasm on March 17, 2009, 08:05:59 AM

For those of you with heated clothing...Symtec has come out with a controller that goes on the right handlebar clamp that matches the Heat Deamon one. It has 4 levels. I don't see it on their web site but they had them in Daytona.

Wonder where the Hell they got that idea??? I suggested it in Daytona 3 years ago. I should have applied for the Pattent.

brad

Boatman · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2009, 01:51:53 PM »

I took the chrome touring pullback HD bars to a local machine shop and they reamed the bar ends to 7/8" so I am back in business with the Heat Demons. Cost me $50.00 to do both sides of the bar-could probably have did just the brake side but you need all the room you can on the clutch side to stuff all the wire connectors in.

Brad said you had to be brave to drill-me not that brave.

Highjagger · « **Reply #27 on:** August 30, 2009, 02:01:58 AM »

Do they have a special version of grip heaters for the FLTRSE3 now ?
I do not check the differences of their heater-versions they offer on their website.

Indenial · « **Reply #28 on:** August 31, 2009, 12:34:13 PM »

The key is the 7/8 ID of the bar. I had to have it drilled out and now they fit and work fine. But if it's 1/100 under 7/8, they won't fit. but they are well worth the hassle. They heat the grips up nicely, even in the rain. Wouldn't be without them.

Highjagger · « **Reply #29 on:** August 31, 2009, 03:31:14 PM »

That means that the material of the handlebar is thinner when drilled out , is that right ?

How can you drill this out ?
What kind of machine do you need ?
Or do you do it by hand ?
Where are these new 2010 Harley heated grips someone talked about ?( i did not found them on the website )

Indenial · « **Reply #30 on:** September 01, 2009, 10:10:19 AM »

That's right, the wall thickness is getting thinner. I took mine to a machine shop and they used a drill press. Hopefully they are strong enough to hold up.

Highjagger · « **Reply #31 on:** September 01, 2009, 01:59:44 PM »

And you have to drill this out for the complete length of the grip

Twolanerider · « **Reply #32 on:** September 01, 2009, 02:04:56 PM »

Quote from: Highjagger on September 01, 2009, 01:59:44 PM

And you have to drill this out for the complete length of the grip

Wouldn't it be just the length of the heating element?

This is the ID the bars had been for years though. So it's not as if it's a new thing in bar thickness.

Highjagger · « **Reply #33 on:** September 01, 2009, 02:47:34 PM »

This response i got from heatdemons :

^{Hi Klaus,

Greeting from USA.

From my spec sheet it would appear that our standard Heat Demon, Harley style would fit you bike. This is the model for the standard 1" handle bar. You have the choice of Chrome or Black for the switch. The model would be 210046BET for black or 210045CET for chrome.

The price is $139.95 plus the shipping charge to Germany which is $29.75.

Sorry we do not have a dealer in Germany.

Thanks for your inquire.

Roger}

Indenial · « **Reply #34 on:** September 02, 2009, 10:49:14 AM »

That's what Roger said to me too, until I got them off and they were a tad under 7/8. Just be prepared to ream them out some. And you only need to go in as far as the heat shield goes in.

Highjagger · « **Reply #35 on:** September 02, 2009, 11:16:54 AM »

You took heatdemons 210045CET for 1" bar because there is also a 210045CET CHUB for 1 1/4" bar ?
Is it possible to reem out the ID of the bar per hand with sandpaper or is this not possible ?
Is only the chrome the removable material or more ( also of the steel ) ?

Boatman · « **Reply #36 on:** September 02, 2009, 11:23:43 AM »

I hope this does not confuse the issue as I have no experience with SERG bars.

I changed to the MOCO's "reach" bars on my wife's 2009 FLHX and install the Heat Demons. The chrome "reach bars" were 1/16" smaller on the ID.. I took them to a machine shop where they set the bars up in a jig and used a reamer to remove the material inside the bars. No way could you sand them out.

Hope this helps.

I also told Roger the reamed bars had marks inside and he said that would not be an issue with their heaters.

Highjagger · « **Reply #37 on:** September 02, 2009, 11:33:37 AM »

What the hell is a reamer ?
A drilling tool machine ?
I just do not know with what tool you are removing the material of the inside of the bar .
Not possible with sandpaper is a helpful info , thxs , but i hoped so that this would be possible , damn .
Could you post a pic of the tool you used ?
Perhaps i could see it better than i translate .

Indenial · « **Reply #38 on:** September 02, 2009, 09:38:49 PM »

A reamer is like a drill bit, only not threaded all the way up. A machine shop will have one. When drilling it out, you're removing steel, so sanding or filing it won't work. It's quite a job and you need a drill press to keep it centered so you don't thin out one side too much.

Highjagger · « **Reply #39 on:** September 03, 2009, 02:15:08 AM »

:2vrolijk_21:thxs ,
now i know exactly what i have to search .

Are there any issues known about the electrical heat demon unit and the electrical throttle by wire , i.e. electrical radiation that could influence the TBW unit

?
Do someone see a problem there ?
Like the maybe-problem of the hidden antennas and the TBW or the Hidlights and the TBW

??

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #40 on:** September 03, 2009, 05:08:24 AM »

Mine have been installed for 1 year no issues.

Brad

Boatman · « **Reply #41 on:** September 03, 2009, 06:43:42 AM »

Quote from: Highjagger on September 03, 2009, 02:15:08 AM

Are there any issues known about the electrical heat demon unit and the electrical throttle by wire , i.e. electrical radiation that could influence the TBW unit ?
Do someone see a problem there ?

As Brad said, there is no problem with the TBW and the Heat Demon's once the bars are the proper I.D.. I don't know why Harley had to change the inside diameter of some of their bars.

roadrunner · « **Reply #42 on:** September 03, 2009, 01:16:17 PM »

Order mine for the 1.25 bars and chrome switch, over a year and working fine!

Highjagger · « **Reply #43 on:** September 03, 2009, 04:42:32 PM »

Now i received a mail from symntec :
^{Hello Klaus,

I have made and error in the part I quoted you. Our discussion of the 1 1/4" bar on your Road Glide made me realize that you must have the switch for the Chubby Bar and also the Electronic throttle. The P/N for this one is 210045CETCHUB. This is the chrome switch and also the correct throttle side heater for the Electronic throttle unit. I must also correct the price, This model is $149.95 and the shipping is $29.75, I'm sorry for the misquote, I forgot match the correct model with your CVO Road Glide bar.

You will have to bore out the bar on the right side to .875" x 6'}

Now , which one do i need ? This chubby version ( what is a chubby bar

)

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #44 on:** September 03, 2009, 04:58:18 PM »

You do not need CHUB kit. Our Roadglides have 1 inch Bars. CHUB most likely indicates Wild1 Chubby Bars which are 1 1/4".

Brad

Highjagger · « **Reply #45 on:** September 04, 2009, 01:28:12 AM »

Thank you again for let me know this for sure that the SERG has a 1" bar .
Do have the control of the heat demons on the left side or right side ?
I need the 210045 CET , thxs .

( So Roger from symntec wants me to order the wrong version , silly world , first was the one which would fit and then he wants me to order the wrong one ) .

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