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[RCFlyer]

This is a set of RJ's (No more fried thighs) mid frame deflectors. I originally thought about the beauty it would hide on the ConV or there would be damage to the painted oil tank... the wifey had her doubts too. RJ makes a great product, no doubt, and has made sure no paint damage will be had. I've heard of his deflectors sitting on an exhaust pipe for more than a year with no melting of his product or damage to the bike. A police bike to be exact and when RJ saw them we went to adjust them but was told not to... the LEO liked it that way. These deflectors will outlast the bike.

We put them on due to the 90+* heat we've been suffering lately. Just got to say they really do work well and look just as nice. The heat coming up from the exhaust and rear jug is all but eliminated.

Great job RJ.    http://www.rjsoriginals.com/

You forgot to say the guy at RJ's is a total d$@k. He only takes paypal or money order. How can anyone run a business these days being like that. I won't deal with him!!

[Mr. Wizard]

You forgot to say the guy at RJ's is a total dick. He only takes paypal or money order. How can anyone run a business these days being like that. I won't deal with him!!

Hummmm...

RJ (the only guy there that I know of) has always been easy to deal with and very helpful to me or anyone else that has spoken of RJ's stuff. You're the first I've ever heard complain.

I've never had an issue using PayPal (although MO's are a pain). Using PayPal doesn't cost any extra except for the seller. Now, if his product was crap then I could see an issue. 

[RCFlyer]

Hummmm...

RJ (the only guy there that I know of) has always been easy to deal with and very helpful to me or anyone else that has spoken of RJ's stuff. You're the first I've ever heard complain.

I've never had an issue using PayPal (although MO's are a pain). Using PayPal doesn't cost any extra except for the seller. Now, if his product was crap then I could see an issue. 

I called him to place a phone order and before I could even ask a question, he said I don't take credit cards over the phone. He shut me down before I could even ask him what to order. I was very disappointed in his attitude. He said use paypal pr MO so I said fine and hung up.  I don't have a problem with paypal, but it makes me wonder why he won't take credit cards? I think he's shutting out a lot of business by doing so. I think the product looks good but I'm hesitant to deal with him. Just my opinion.

[Mr. Wizard]

Whoa.....  guys, guys...  go easy..

RJ, maybe RC misunderstood you, RC, maybe you misunderstood RJ.

All I know is that his product that I use works and are of top quality in my humble opinion. I wouldn't have posted it here if I didn't think so. Give it another chance guys and let this misunderstanding be water under the bridge.   

Reboot anybody?  Is it Friday yet?? 

[RCFlyer]

How dare you! You called my place of business, right in the middle of a tornado warning we had going on here about 4 miles from me and I said, to make it quick, right off the bat that I cant accept CC purchases over the phone. I take orders through Pay Pal, through my web site or you can purchase by mail order. Then you hung up! So now I see you run in here and call me a dick? So not to be distasteful in my choice words for you as you ran in here to post slander about me. Go purchase another product. Ive your name and number and will refuse to sell you my product. For any others that do purchase my product. I use pay pal. If there's a mess up through accounting. They have to take care of the problem. Not me. This is why I don't bother with CC over the phone. Also there are riders that worry about giving their CC numbers verbally on the phone or even on line. Thats why I offer a mail order option.

RJ
 

Hey RJ, if you remember correctly you cracked a joke and I didn't laugh so you made some snide remark. You don't even take phone calls from people without unblocking their number. Maybe you're just paranoid. Go take your shields and keep them to yourself. I really don't need you or your products! Enough said. I'm done with you and you're done with me. I really don't care.

[JCZ]

While I might not use the term that RC Flyer used, I would have to agree that RJ does conduct business in an abnormal way and it does call into question his integrity.  At least where his interaction (or lack of) with me went.  You can read the posts in this thread and decide for yourselves.......
    http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=1221.msg11118#msg11118

[Mr. Wizard]

While I might not use the term that RC Flyer used, I would have to agree that RJ does conduct business in an abnormal way and it does call into question his integrity.  At least where his interaction (or lack of) with me went.  You can read the posts in this thread and decide for yourselves.......
    http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=1221.msg11118#msg11118

Thanks for the thread JCZ. I read it from top to bottom. Seems like a mysterious business owner doesn’t it? I guess you would have to question a guy’s character for not following through with a free deal like that back from Nov 2004. I wonder what year his business started and if he could afford all those freebies at that time. I don’t know. It did read later on that you were going to pass his product around later in the thread but when I read it, it seemed at first that he was being asked for a bunch of free product.

I also see starting at post # 18 through 30, just before the thread about died, he had satisfied customers. I think the last post was you asking everyone to refrain from the heat issue on the rider and passenger and concentrate on getting the temps for the rear jug on Aug 2008 some four years later the thread was started.
 
I do have a question though. Maybe you being a Moderator could answer this for me. I see his post was dated Nov 2004 yet his account of Zoood was set up on March 2005. I also see where he made a post but his post count is 0. Now looking above I see there is a new account name, Zoood1 and his account date was yesterday and has 1 post count. What do you think happened to his account? Was he snuffed for some reason? If so, could you tell us why?

Now, I have no dog in the hunt for questioning or vouching for anyone’s character either here or elsewhere respectfully. But being a senior consultant and site administrator for 10 years on a discussion site much larger than our site here I have to ask such questions. I also have to ask them in such a way as not to irritate a site moderator such as yourself or risk losing my account here, again respectfully.

This thread was made because this product works for me, same as for the others in your posted thread which had been buried for years. Being excited I brought this, new to me, information here for the other ConV owners to know there is a product out there to help with the heat. If anyone wants to question my character for posting the information I bring here, well...  that's fine because it is my thread.
 
Maybe RJ can discuss this in PM or via email somewhere but this thread is being hindered by questions of character not of the product. I had no issue with him, you or RC but if he has survived in business since the above thread (2004) to this day I would have to agree others aren’t having character or payment issues with him either.

Thanks for listening.


-wiz

[ezpgh]

I must say I am surprised by this. I know for a fact that he sells a ton of those for tour bikes and I have never seen another complaint. Matter of fact everyone seems to really like them. I think his products may be better than his personality? You can always try Capt. Itch products also. I have used them and they are great.

[JCZ]

Mr. Wizard......it was only one set of shields that he was going to send to me.  The forum was a lot smaller back then and because I couldn't use them on my bike (due to previous mods that used the space) I was going to send them to a member to try for a couple of weeks, he was going to forward them to another member for a couple of weeks and so on.  A great form of advertising in my opinion........especially since he offered them up for free (I didn't ask for them)......but then he renigged.

Definately a flakey way of doing business and a fast track to loosing integrity here.

I'm not easily offended and always try to give the benafit of the doubt......especially where these forums are concerned.  So your question is not out of line nor offensive.  I've already let the other moderators know that he's one and the same and we'll look into why he's posting under a new name after his other name shows 0 posts.

The question still remains.........what effect do these shields have on the rear cylinder temps?  Already, by design it runs much hotter than the front and it appears that these shields would partially block or restrict the natural air flow (even though it makes it more comfortable for the rider) around the rear cylinder.

[Mr. Wizard]

Mr. Wizard......it was only one set of shields that he was going to send to me.  The forum was a lot smaller back then and because I couldn't use them on my bike (due to previous mods that used the space) I was going to send them to a member to try for a couple of weeks, he was going to forward them to another member for a couple of weeks and so on.  A great form of advertising in my opinion........especially since he offered them up for free (I didn't ask for them)......but then he renigged.

Definately a flakey way of doing business and a fast track to loosing integrity here.

JCZ

I called him and asked what the heck was going on and about the thread you put up here. As any business owner would be, he is unhappy with having a dissatisfied customer, doesn't matter if he is quirky or not it all effects businessmen the same.

He went on to say when that 2004 thread was posted he was slammed with "can I have a trial set too?" and being a new small business he couldn't simply hand make all these and give them away. I don't think you knew about the others asking him for free product behind the scenes, he said after that he couldn't get back into his account thus verifying my question of why his dates and post count were so weird. Somehow his account must have been messed with or there would not be the inconsistencies I spoke of. This is why he sent you an email as to keep it between you guys. Heck, that's pretty good, I can't remember what happened yesterday much less 6 years ago.

I'm sure he's watching this now that he has a new account and doesn't want to disrespect the site by responding with something that would be taken wrong. Like any normal person things go south when you snap off a knee jerk reaction when called names

Anyway, while talking to him I also ordered a set for my SESG and paid via PayPal. I had the HD plastic ones on and they do scoop the jug and pipe heat and pack it under my seat. Nice in the winter but man... it's way too hot to have your nuts roasted now.

Wifey likes them on her ConV and I hope I like them as much on my bike. By the reactions of the posts @ 18 - 30 on the post above I think they will work fine. I will, however, post my findings whether it be positive or negative. I also have the equipment to test the before and after temps under the deflectors and will post that as well.

I'm done, just want to give everyone a fair shake and not keep beating a dead horse. 

later...


-wiz

 

 

[JCZ]

JCZ

I called him and asked what the heck was going on and about the thread you put up here. As any business owner would be, he is unhappy with having a dissatisfied customer, doesn't matter if he is quirky or not it all effects businessmen the same.

He went on to say when that 2004 thread was posted he was slammed with "can I have a trial set too?" and being a new small business he couldn't simply hand make all these and give them away. I don't think you knew about the others asking him for free product behind the scenes, he said after that he couldn't get back into his account thus verifying my question of why his dates and post count were so weird. Somehow his account must have been messed with or there would not be the inconsistencies I spoke of. This is why he sent you an email as to keep it between you guys. Heck, that's pretty good, I can't remember what happened yesterday much less 6 years ago.

I'm sure he's watching this now that he has a new account and doesn't want to disrespect the site by responding with something that would be taken wrong. Like any normal person things go south when you snap off a knee jerk reaction when called names

Anyway, while talking to him I also ordered a set for my SESG and paid via PayPal. I had the HD plastic ones on and they do scoop the jug and pipe heat and pack it under my seat. Nice in the winter but man... it's way too hot to have your nuts roasted now.

Wifey likes them on her ConV and I hope I like them as much on my bike. By the reactions of the posts @ 18 - 30 on the post above I think they will work fine. I will, however, post my findings whether it be positive or negative. I also have the equipment to test the before and after temps under the deflectors and will post that as well.

I'm done, just want to give everyone a fair shake and not keep beating a dead horse. 

later...


-wiz
 

Let's keep in mind that he solicited me to try a pair free of charge......I didn't request it.  The communication back and forth was over a short period of time......just a few days.  As soon as the issue of heat on the rear cylinder came up and a member posted that he had an infrared heat temp gun, that he'd check the before and after temps........all communication immediatly stopped.  Giving him the benafit of the doubt, I wrote to him a couple of more times.  All of my efforts went unanswered.  That's the facts.

If he was inundated with requests for free sets, I feel that he should have at least sent me a courtesy note explaining that.  No problem.

Oh, by the way, I checked the Ban list.  He was never banned.....not a temporary ban nor a permanent ban and his original account is still active.  If he hadn't deleated his posts, it would reflect the real count. 

Just some very odd business practices and not just my experience. 

I hope that you enjoy your heat shields and that they're everything that you're hoping they are.

[Mr. Wizard]

Let's keep in mind that he solicited me to try a pair free of charge......I didn't request it.  The communication back and forth was over a short period of time......just a few days.  As soon as the issue of heat on the rear cylinder came up and a member posted that he had an infrared heat temp gun, that he'd check the before and after temps........all communication immediatly stopped.  Giving him the benafit of the doubt, I wrote to him a couple of more times.  All of my efforts went unanswered.  That's the facts.

If he was inundated with requests for free sets, I feel that he should have at least sent me a courtesy note explaining that.  No problem.

Oh, by the way, I checked the Ban list.  He was never banned.....not a temporary ban nor a permanent ban and his original account is still active.  If he hadn't deleated his posts, it would reflect the real count. 

Just some very odd business practices and not just my experience. 

I hope that you enjoy your heat shields and that they're everything that you're hoping they are.

Thanks for the follow up on his account...  just seems weird.

I'll let you know how they perform, I will not pull any punches either.

-wiz

[RCFlyer]

I put one of these heat shields on and it didn't seem that much cooler to me. We took a 100 mile ride on Saturday and it was only 74 degrees. There was a lot of heat coming off the rear jug. I'm trying some heat tape next on the pipes. What is everyone else's experience with heat?

[Mr. Wizard]

Interesting, we are experiencing lower rider temps with them on than without them.

I promised a test of these a while back. Haven't had a chance to test the temps on my SESG yet but the following was a test with a 2010 Harley Tri Glide just a few weeks ago. I also posted it here if you want to read the entire modification report. 

http://www.hdforums.com/forum/hacked-triked-and-trailering/550510-tg-modifications-the-abc-s-of-removing-rider-heat-a-b-c.html



The Harley TG comes with HD deflectors. Temperatures were taken at the following locations during a 20 minute ride. The main sensor (#1) was installed 1” away from the frame wall under the seating area, just behind the rear cylinder and in the center of the mid frame deflectors with a separate fast acting temperature sensor (#2) fastened under my right thigh just above and to the outside of the knee. The ambient temperature was 91*, speed varied between stopping for street signs up to 50 MPH. The average speed cruising was 45 MPH @ 2500 RPM’s.

The average temps on sensor #1 during the average 45 MPH ride was 145* with a high reading of 178*. While sitting at a 30 second red light the temp rose to 297* before starting the ride again. Sensor #2 on my right thigh averaged 127* with a high reading of 139*. While at the 30 second stop light the high temp crept up to 151*. The average temperature fluxes were corresponding to MPH and RPM’s, the lower the RPM’s the lower the temp as expected.

After removing the HD Mid Frame Deflectors and installing the RJ Originals I ran the test again. Same ambient temperature, same route and the same red light.

The average temps on sensor #1 during the average 45 MPH ride was 122* with a high reading of 159*. While sitting at a 30 second red light the temp rose to 295* before starting the ride again. Sensor #2 on my right thigh averaged 111* with a high reading of 126*. While at the 30 second stop light the high temp crept up to 150*. Again, the average temperature fluxes were corresponding to MPH and RPM’s, the lower the RPM’s the lower the temp as expected

Sensor #1 average reduction was -23* at cruise and a high reading reduction of -19*.
Sensor #2 average reduction was -15* at cruise and a high reading reduction of -13*.

Conclusion, the RJ Originals reduced rider heat and the temperature under the open frame and seat by using the available wind more efficiently and whisking away the rear cylinder and exhaust heat from the rider.

[ezpgh]

I put one of these heat shields on and it didn't seem that much cooler to me. We took a 100 mile ride on Saturday and it was only 74 degrees. There was a lot of heat coming off the rear jug. I'm trying some heat tape next on the pipes. What is everyone else's experience with heat?

No heat problem here, and we had a very above average summer with temp over 90 many days. My previous bike was an '08 FLHTCU with the 96ci and it was much, much hotter. While cruising on this bike I do not feel ANY heat whatsoever and only mild heat at lights or in heavy traffic. The TTS has much to do with it.