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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2014, 04:53:48 PM »

We used to see beaucoup' problems with that battery in the Titans, Big Dogs, AIH, etc.
Must be they've changed things.
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2014, 08:11:51 PM »

Biggest problem with an odyssey is they take about twice the miles to get a good charge.  This does not work on the cookie cutters and real TT bikes.
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2014, 12:31:53 AM »

Only 2 years on one of those large group 30 battery's, is premature failure.
Sure you don't have a draw on it from somewhere?
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They are checking that tomorrow
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2014, 08:01:23 AM »

CCA is based on  temps and there is no real STD for the test, some company's use the same temps others do not.  Warranty time frame. Deka is 1 year free replacement. That one I can tell you the Deka is 400  HD site states 365 and interstate is 385. At least that is the info the interstate rep just gave us.  I do not think the CCA is a make or break deal. Warranty on some are 6 months others are a year.  Just do your home work first.  If we had not been set up with Deka for some many years I would think I might have gone with interstate. Had good luck with them in the past , Have seen the  private label versions ( agm midwest drag etc) not last. Good luck .. I would have a shop test the charging system with a quality testor that can check the true amp reading, real load test and diodes in the reg as well. We use a Sun VAT 45.  Something along those line to give you a base line. Grounds are always the first place to look. Check the stator reg plug as well for any oil.

Steve that battery you bought looks like a deka case?? Any idea what temp the 600 CCA was tested at?
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2014, 08:59:01 AM »

CCA is based on  temps and there is no real STD for the test, some company's use the same temps others do not.  Warranty time frame. Deka is 1 year free replacement. That one I can tell you the Deka is 400  HD site states 365 and interstate is 385. At least that is the info the interstate rep just gave us.  I do not think the CCA is a make or break deal. Warranty on some are 6 months others are a year.  Just do your home work first.  If we had not been set up with Deka for some many years I would think I might have gone with interstate. Had good luck with them in the past , Have seen the  private label versions ( agm midwest drag etc) not last. Good luck .. I would have a shop test the charging system with a quality testor that can check the true amp reading, real load test and diodes in the reg as well. We use a Sun VAT 45.  Something along those line to give you a base line. Grounds are always the first place to look. Check the stator reg plug as well for any oil.

Steve that battery you bought looks like a deka case?? Any idea what temp the 600 CCA was tested at?

There actually are real standards for CCA Steve, but you are correct in that some companies play fast and loose with the numbers they advertise.  For instance, those folks at Odyssey like to use CA instead of CCA, or better yet their own invention they call pulse cranking amps, which just involves the amps for the first couple seconds, not the 30 seconds in the actual test specifications. 

The real industry standard is CCA (cold cranking amps), and it has been for a long time.  Any company in this day and age still using CA ratings is obviously trying to mislead consumers, and I won't do business with those kind of people.  I consider them in the same class as the folks selling $25 spark plugs that do nothing but lighten people's wallets.

CCA - the number of amps the battery can deliver at 0°F for 30 seconds without dropping below 7.2 volts.
CA -  the number of amps the battery can deliver at 32°F.
HCA - the number of amps the battery can deliver at 80°F (this one hasn't been used for as long as I can remember).

Sadly there are more scam artists these days than legitimate and ethical folks, at least it sure seems that way.  Anytime the typical rating for a particular size battery is xxx CCA, and someone comes along and suddenly claims xxx plus 200 CCA for the exact same case size and chemistry, the red flags should start flying and the bells start ringing in your brain.

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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #20 on: July 03, 2014, 12:17:11 AM »

Only 2 years on one of those large group 30 battery's, is premature failure.
Sure you don't have a draw on it from somewhere?
Scott
you were right, bad regulator..
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2014, 12:22:40 PM »

I just replaced my battery on the 120 bike last Monday.  it was a Deka AGM 400 cca battery and only 2 years old,  this was replaced with a Yuasa AGM battery with 500 cca,  you could tell the difference right away with the weight of the batteries between the two because the Yuasa has bigger plates in the same size battery.  so far with the Yuasa I get instant starts.

research also told me Yuasa is american made battery.  :)
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #22 on: July 03, 2014, 02:42:30 PM »

Steve that battery you bought looks like a deka case?? Any idea what temp the 600 CCA was tested at?


Has black case. This battery is made and/or distributed by PowerSource. So far it is doing a great job. Been in the bike about 2 months and I have never used the Battery tender. Never seems to lack for cranking power. No clue on how it was tested.
For $109 out the door I had to take a chance on it.
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #23 on: July 03, 2014, 03:07:52 PM »

All I know is when our clients are in need of a killer battery from now on, after dealing with motorcycle batterys/charging systems for almost 30 years, I KNOW where to reach.
No pony in the race, nothing to gain by sharing this info............. :)
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #24 on: July 03, 2014, 03:17:48 PM »


Has black case. This battery is made and/or distributed by PowerSource. So far it is doing a great job. Been in the bike about 2 months and I have never used the Battery tender. Never seems to lack for cranking power. No clue on how it was tested.
For $109 out the door I had to take a chance on it.

I'm pretty sure the battery you're talking about is the same one I mentioned earlier, the Lightning Start by Power Source.  It's made in China, and the US distributor and retailer couldn't come up with a straight answer when I asked about that 600 amp rating other than to say that was what the manufacturer claimed.  Since the Chinese would never lie about any product they export to us, I'm assuming the rating must be good, right? ;)

I'll be interested in hearing how this battery holds up and performs over time.  Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2014, 06:19:11 PM »

All I know is when our clients are in need of a killer battery from now on, after dealing with motorcycle batterys/charging systems for almost 30 years, I KNOW where to reach.
No pony in the race, nothing to gain by sharing this info............. :)

The guys that really know and don't want to post up.  Don't post up about knowing and how they wont post.  They just don't. 
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2014, 08:38:39 PM »

you were right, bad regulator..

At least it's an easy and quick fix!
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2014, 01:40:18 AM »

At least it's an easy and quick fix!
Yep, back on the road today in time for a great weekend!
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2014, 07:02:52 AM »

In my years of riding,and several types of Harleys , I have tried multiple batteries and none have held up to the H-D battery. I have got approx. 6-7 years from everyone (using tender) and 1-3 from "X" brands. I was also told a few years ago from an HD tech that interstate was the manufacturer of the HD batteries. Just my 2-cents.
In the middle of my ride today about 150 miles from home in the middle of the mountains I stopped for lunch at a little place and when i came out and got under way I noticed the battery and engine light on. I rode about 70 miles to a dealer to shut it off in case it wouldn't start back up-which it didn't..
They were very nice and they jumped it and I filled up (yea, with the motor running) and rode to my dealer for a new battery. Mine is about 28 months old with around 22000 miles.
I have a 120r so Im sure that probably had something to do with it wearing out so quickly. I do keep it on a tender. I asked the dealer where I stopped (the parts mgr was working today and he was actually the one that helped jump me) and he said that was common for the stock battery to go out at around my mileage but he thought that would be the case with any battery..
I saw online the Shorai lithium ion replacement which is crazy expensive which I would still do if it was worth it as I don't want to go through what happened today again (ruined the rest of my day/ride).
What do you think?
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Re: Which battery?
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2014, 08:52:10 AM »

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 I was also told a few years ago from an HD tech that interstate was the manufacturer of the HD batteries. Just my 2-cents.

You really shouldn't blindly believe what the typical Harley dealership employee says.  Interstate is just a brand name, not a manufacturer.  For instance, Johnson Controls actually manufactures the Interstate branded automotive batteries, along with a gazillion other brand names.  If you can ever finagle an actual tour of one of their plants you will see many different names and labels being applied to the batteries as they roll down the conveyor lines.

Jerry
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