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[VegasFireman]

I have my final map to upload for my SERK.

Note..If you want the map, looks like you will have to send me an e-mail..The system won't accept it.

This map is very close to the stock map that comes with the Racers Tuners Kit.

I went to Harley for a back tire and wanted the tune checked on their dyno. They just opened the HD store in a different location and have a brand new Dyno Jet.

One of the conditions on the test was that I be there and allowed to observe so I can have input incase we made any adjustments to the map.

Bike is a Stock , 04 SERK with HD Air Filter added and Samon Bone Shaker Pipes.

When the tech got the bike, he was very nice, however he did everything but laugh at my pipes. Saying these are not performance pipes, the reading would be all over the place with these pipes, etc.

Boy was he, and I suprised. (I knew the bike was runing strong, but did not realize how good the curve would be.)

Conditions for the test were

Temp 72.17 F
Bar 28.13 in-HG
SAE 1.04

Results of the test were, Best 2 runs.

Run 5: Max Power 96.52 Max Torque 98.97
Run 6: Max Power 94.63 Max Torque 99.58

The best I have ever heard for one of these bikes stock with AF and exhaust was 106hp. I have heard nothing on the torque. It was also said, 3rd party, not proven, as I never seen the paperwork from the dyno.

The Air/Fuel Ratio stayed about 13.2 after the inital roll on. The inital roll on A/F ratio was about 13.8 then leaned out.

The power curve was very even with no weird burps.

The Harley tech was very suprised to say the least by the results and did not feel he could make this any better.

He did say from now on I'm going to keep my mouth shut til I get it on the dyno

We think the reason the engine performed well was the CI is over 100. This is also what Samson told me when I bought the pipes.

Pics of the dyno paper work and pipes:









If you want the map, looks like you will have to send me an e-mail..The system won't accept it.

[JCZ]

Those numbers seem to be resonable, based on the dyno sheets that I've saw on these boards.  What altitude was the dyno done at?  That has a lot to do with it, too.

Those pipes leave a whole lot to be desired.  People worried about the looks of going from a dual to a single......how about going from a dual to a quarter length.  I'm curious what other responses will be to that exhaust.

[naitram]

visualy, those pipes dont do it for me. maybe on a stripped down rigid choper but not on a bagger, just my opinion though. as long as VegasFireman likes thats what counts. it makes it one the more unique looking SERKs i have ever seen  

[VegasFireman]

Those numbers seem to be resonable, based on the dyno sheets that I've saw on these boards.

[VegasFireman]

visualy, those pipes dont do it for me. maybe on a stripped down rigid choper but not on a bagger, just my opinion though. as long as VegasFireman likes thats what counts. it makes it one the more unique looking SERKs i have ever seen

[JCZ]

Vegas thanks for gettin back so quick.

I'm not knockin your exhaust or bike, for that matter (nor did I read that in Naitram's post) just sayin that it's not my style.  I run with a 2 into 1 on a bagger and most bagger owners don't agree with that look, either.  That's fine, it's what I like and not a problem for me.

1,500 ft??  I'd like to see your dyno numbers (so would you) at or near sea level.  There would be a significant difference.

I've yet to see exhaust comparisons in a controlled environment, on the dyno, for the 103" motor.  I've already sent a letter to two of the magazines that I subscribe to, asking them to do it.  I've also sent an email to Vance & Hines to confirm or deny what somebody told you.

I hope that you guys are contacting the magazines that you subscribe to, asking for an exhaust shoot out on the dyno, for the 103" motor.  The facts, nothing but the facts sir. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]

[VegasFireman]

Vegas thanks for gettin back so quick.

I'm not knockin your exhaust or bike, for that matter (nor did I read that in Naitram's post) just sayin that it's not my style.

[JCZ]

By the way, thought I should say that I've wrote to American Rider and American Iron to ask them to do a dyno exhaust shootout on the 103".

So you guys can pick one of the other magazines to write to.

[VegasFireman]

[JCZ]

Vegas thanks again for the follow up here.

[VegasFireman]

Sounds like a great idea

[JCZ]

By the way, thought I should say that I've wrote to American Rider and American Iron to ask them to do a dyno exhaust shootout on the 103".

So you guys can pick one of the other magazines to write to.

I also just wrote to "Hot Rod Bikes" magazine.  I subscribe to too many.  Somebody else here needs to help carry this load.

[JCZ]

I got two responses back this morning, already.  One from Buzz Buzzelli (editor of American Rider magazine) and he thought that it was a very good question and forwarded it on to Joe Minton (AR's Tech. go to guy).  He also made a couple other suggestions that I will follow up on.

I got another response from Dusty Schaller at Dynojet.  I will refrain from posting his response untill I get clarification from Vegas Fireman on his statement.

[Cabo]

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[JCZ]

City of Henderson -- Quick Facts
Quick facts regarding the city of Henderson

Henderson is one of the younger cities of the modern dynamic Southwest, located in the southern tip of Nevada. It is situated on level, desert terrain, midway between Boulder City and Las Vegas at an elevation of 1940 feet.

Cabo have you been hittin the jug again??  What are you talking about??  We know, Hendersen is like a suburb of Las Vegas (I was there last week), but what does that have to do with this thread??

[JCZ]

Vegas Fireman you have a PM.  Go to the very top of the page where it says "Hey Vegas Fireman you have 1 private message" and click on it and it will open up.

[Cabo]

What altitude was the dyno done at?

[JCZ]

I was answering your question...I wonder whose been on the jug..or sniffin glue or.... [smiley=drink.gif] [smiley=beerchug.gif] [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif] [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

It's glue man, I'm a cheap date! LOL

Seriously, I didn't follow that part of it......you're just too sharp for me.  Guess I'm gonna have to stay on my toes around you.  The next time, can you click on the "quote" bar first. lol

Almost 2,000 ft. he would turn better numbers at sea level.

As it stands, I got an email from Dustin Schaller, Dynojet Research and he clearly states that he's never dynoed a bike with a 103" motor using a 2 into 1 exhaust system and doesn't have any ideas or input regarding the correct exhaust for this motor.

I've wrote to S&S and am waiting for an answer.  They know big inch motors and should of done some testing in this area.

[kazumdgc]

The great thing about the Serk is what you do is you. I agree that while I would not do the look so what.You did it and  like it and it sounds right for you. Anybody have any experience with Bassini Power curve? I am thinking about doing that to mine and wonder if anybody has any positive or negs on it. See its anything gose on a serk as long as you keep the class [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]

[VegasFireman]

It's glue man, I'm a cheap date! LOL

I could use some glue to go with some of my pain killers

[JCZ]

Just for the record (some folks believe everything they read) I have 17 years of recovery......life's different.  And I quit riding in the back seat of police cars! [smiley=nixweiss.gif]  Funny how that happens.

[Jim]

Hi Fireman, Congrats on 17 years, are you a friend of Bill W.?

[VegasFireman]

Hi Fireman, Congrats on 17 years, are you a friend of Bill W.?

If he is a chief .. yes i am. only bill w i can think of right off hand.

did he tell you how many years i have? if he did tell him i'll have 19 on in april lol

Craig

[VegasFireman]

As it stands, I got an email from Dustin Schaller, Dynojet Research and he clearly states that he's never dynoed a bike with a 103" motor using a 2 into 1 exhaust system and doesn't have any ideas or input regarding the correct exhaust for this motor.

http://www.powercommander.com/807mapsbyall.shtml

Follow this link to the last 2 listings on the page and you will see where they have indeed done a map on a 103 with a 2 into 1. That is my bike they did it on. It is listed as a road glide but I assure you, that is my bike.

Craig

[JCZ]

Hi Fireman, Congrats on 17 years, are you a friend of Bill W.?

Hey Jim welcome to the site.  You asked Vegas Fireman if he's  a friend of Bill W.......just thought I'd let you know that I am!   17 years on Nov. 27th.  Can I have a beer now? lol

[Jim]

Hi JCZ, Looks like I got mixed up on who I was responding too. I realized I had the wrong person when the Fireman responded that the only Bill W. he knew was the Chief. Congrats to you on 17 years. I also hit 17 years last May 25th. And NO to the question on the beer. Well, any way I'm just purchased my bike a month ago, I got 150 miles on it before I had to put away for the winter. Can't wait to get it out this spring and start riding and adding accesories. I have already purchased the passing light kit, low profile color matched tour pack, and the LED lighting for saddle bags and tour pack. Have a great day.  Jim B.

[JCZ]

Thanks Jim....instead of a beer, I went to a meeting tonight, instead.

You'll really appreciate the difference with the running lights on.  The Road King has a large light but it will be a huge difference with the new running lights.

You'll find me mostly on the Screamin Eagle Electra Glide forum, since that's what I've ordered and am waiting on.  I've also ordered the tour pak, but I ordered the King tour pak for the rear speakers and to hold my ice chest.  It's color matched.