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Title: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on March 04, 2013, 04:21:58 PM
It sure has been quiet  regarding the 2014's?? Changes???  Models??  Will they bring back the SG?? Should be fun to watch what happens this year 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Mano on March 04, 2013, 04:23:57 PM
This thread will be interesting. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on March 04, 2013, 04:28:21 PM
This thread will be interesting. :nixweiss:
No Your NOT
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Phantom309 on March 04, 2013, 07:03:04 PM
Time will tell ... I'm not losing any sleep wondering about it. I bet the biggest change will be exactly that ... less of it in your pocket and more in HD's.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Texas Fat Boy on March 04, 2013, 07:06:46 PM
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Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: HogRydr on March 05, 2013, 05:46:18 PM
I just bought a CVO Ultra, I hope they don't make any massive improvements to it. I would like to enjoy my purchase for a while before thinking I should've waited  :'(
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: funbiker1967 on March 06, 2013, 08:04:56 AM
I just want to enjoy my 13 before thinking about 14.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on March 06, 2013, 10:14:32 AM
My prediction:  More of the same as in previous years, less made in US parts, continuing rumors of water cooling, more left over 2013's in the showroom and all of whatever they offer costing more.  That should take care of it...... :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JCZ on March 06, 2013, 10:20:45 AM
My prediction:  More of the same as in previous years, less made in US parts, continuing rumors of water cooling, more left over 2013's in the showroom and all of whatever they offer costing more.  That should take care of it...... :2vrolijk_21:

DING....DING.....DING....we have a winner!  :nervous:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on March 06, 2013, 11:19:33 AM
My prediction:  More of the same as in previous years, less made in US parts, continuing rumors of water cooling, more left over 2013's in the showroom and all of whatever they offer costing more.  That should take care of it...... :2vrolijk_21:

+1  :'(
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 15CVOSG on March 06, 2013, 11:21:43 AM
I would say water cooled engines is almost a sure thing...there will be big things in store for 2014's....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Mano on March 06, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
and what about the 120 in a CVO. :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: dayne66 on March 06, 2013, 04:46:38 PM
+1  :'(
...and ain't that a pity!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JoeVibe on March 06, 2013, 05:05:04 PM
I would say water cooled engines is almost a sure thing...there will be big things in store for 2014's....

I seem to remember this was a sure thing in the 2013's.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on March 06, 2013, 06:57:07 PM
and what about the 120 in a CVO. :nixweiss:
Yes Mano, 120 excuses for they ALL DO THAT  
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Charlie on March 06, 2013, 11:09:44 PM
I think i would get my wallet out for a water cooled 120 CVO Streetglide! Maybe, you never know?
I would for sure if they did a 120 water cooled CVO Softail with a Springer front end! Wont ever happen but would be nice!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: funbiker1967 on March 07, 2013, 05:58:30 PM
I hear they will have jet propulsion .......  HAHA
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Puck on March 07, 2013, 09:30:50 PM
 A 120r in a new and improved softail custom....would have my wallet out!!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: napalm on March 07, 2013, 10:43:22 PM
 :huepfenjump3:    :drink:    :nixweiss:    :nervous:    :coolblue:    :2vrolijk_21:    :)    ;)    :D    ;D    >:(    :(    :o    8)    ???    ::)    :P    :-[    :-X   :-\    :-*    :'(    :orange:    :huepfenjump3:    :mango:    :bananarock:    :confused5:    :soapbox:    :drink:    :pumpkin:    :oops:    :huepfenlol2:    :nixweiss:    :apple:    :carrot:    :jalapeno:    :nervous:    :cucumber:    :coolblue:    :cherry:    :pineapple:    :pepper:    :2vrolijk_21:    :worthless:   

My two cents...

naplam
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on March 07, 2013, 10:58:42 PM
The pool boy died.  So now have it from Willie G's drywall hanger that 2014 will see the liquid cooled (i.e., it's cooler riding in the rain) 120R powered SE Servicar.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on March 08, 2013, 10:32:21 AM
The pool boy died.  So now have it from Willie G's drywall hanger that 2014 will see the liquid cooled (i.e., it's cooler riding in the rain) 120R powered SE Servicar.

I know someone who would be interested in that!  :drink:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Charlie on March 08, 2013, 10:57:23 PM
I was considering buying another CVO (2013) but don't know if i should wait for the 2014 models?
Going to keep my Convertible but considering the CVO Ultra, if they do move to a water cooled engine it would be handy and maybe worth the wait!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: PierceEye on March 08, 2013, 11:36:59 PM
I was considering buying another CVO (2013) but don't know if i should wait for the 2014 models?
Going to keep my Convertible but considering the CVO Ultra, if they do move to a water cooled engine it would be handy and maybe worth the wait!


Hi  Charlie....noticed your in Dubai...do you happen to know a kiwi known as Craig Symonds with Tactical Trading? Used to run HD there
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Charlie on March 09, 2013, 12:12:09 AM

Hi  Charlie....noticed your in Dubai...do you happen to know a kiwi known as Craig Symonds with Tactical Trading? Used to run HD there
Hi PierceEye,
I have met him before (a few years ago) but wouldn't go as far as to say i know him! i think he left Harley sometime in 2007, the GM is now a guy called Steve Beatie,
You ever been out to Dubai?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Mano on March 09, 2013, 10:24:32 AM
Yes Mano, 120 excuses for they ALL DO THAT  

 :bananarock:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: silverone on March 16, 2013, 08:38:57 PM
Water cooled Harley I guess that would be a Warley right!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 93-331-29psi on March 21, 2013, 03:34:10 PM
Yeah seeing that emissions standards haven't changed since 2010 for on road motorcycles with engine size 280cc + I don't see water cooling coming anytime in the very near future.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on March 21, 2013, 04:43:34 PM
At this point in time, I don't think emissions is part of the consideration to go "water" either.

I think the issues are rider comfort--cooling down the increasingly hotter motors and;

Market competition--They need a bigger bore/horsepower/torque motor to compete.

It is increasingly plausible that we will see a streetable version of the 120 motor with or without water in 2014. 

I'm thinking 1 model in the FL line to start things off.

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: funbiker1967 on March 21, 2013, 08:42:06 PM
120 motors are still considered race only.  In there current form, way to much top end and not enough low and mid range.  I am thinking there will be another string of 110.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 2k on March 21, 2013, 08:52:25 PM
THE SERVICAR IS COMMING BACK...THE SERVICAR IS COMMING BACK, a guy that works for Willie G said so  :carrot:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Steve_G on March 22, 2013, 01:42:57 PM
How about three cylinders? :pepper:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on March 22, 2013, 06:07:01 PM
i heard cvo models will come with a Keurig coffee maker that fits in the saddle bag and powers via usb cable
and there a "K" lite on dash to til ya when ready
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on March 22, 2013, 06:09:48 PM
i heard cvo models will come with a Keurig coffee maker that fits in the saddle bag and powers via usb cable
and there a "K" lite on dash to til ya when ready

The coffee maker will only be a dealer installed accessory.  Other new dealer option is new (chrome plated) Screamin' Eagle Bong ($348.95 MSRP) that can ride in the CD tray while going down the road.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on March 22, 2013, 07:13:16 PM
Does anyone know when the California EPA specs are published ???? Usually that is our first knowledge of what the cvo's will be.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: PierceEye on March 28, 2013, 09:05:16 PM
Hi PierceEye,
I have met him before (a few years ago) but wouldn't go as far as to say i know him! i think he left Harley sometime in 2007, the GM is now a guy called Steve Beatie,
You ever been out to Dubai?

No was going to come this year for IDEX but that went left. Probably will be over later this year
He owns Tactical Trading now and just moved over by the HD store so he has a retail front now.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: cahdbiker on April 01, 2013, 11:28:08 AM
bbrown, I heard the 2014s are coming with a collapsible stripper pole, but when you take it into the dealer because she won't strip the tech says " They all do that". When the warranty runs out so does she.  All kidding aside I read some of the comments regarding lots of bikes being left over etc, but the dealer near me  is moving bikes like crazy he has a very large shop already and is expanding his service area. I hate to admit it, but they really do take good care of me. I took my 95 Heritage in for a trans leak and installation of a new tire I had already purchased. Just before I got on the freeway my belt broke ( it was an aftermarket belt).I called them on my cell and they picked me up within 20 minutes , they are only 6 miles from my house. Here is the kicker, the bill was $300.00 less than the estimate.CAHDBIKER
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on April 01, 2013, 04:29:02 PM
We toured the HD Tomahawk facility last week and got a glimps of the fenders of a trike they were painting that sure looked to be a possible CVO based on the colors and design.  When we pointed to it they quickly closed the door.  Maybe it was a Mirage  
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: tazmun on April 02, 2013, 05:57:01 PM
We toured the HD Tomahawk facility last week and got a glimps of the fenders of a trike they were painting that sure looked to be a possible CVO based on the colors and design.  When we pointed to it they quickly closed the door.  Maybe it was a Mirage  

The MOCO has always outsourced CVO painting to (2) different companies, and I'd ASSume they will continue
that trend. You may have seen Limited colors?

TAZ
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: fxstdse on April 02, 2013, 09:37:42 PM
[quote author=Mano link=topic=82752.msg1114155#msg1114155
This thread will be interesting OMG
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Breakout on April 03, 2013, 11:22:45 AM
I first want to have my ordered 2013 CVO Breakout before I want to even think about a 2014 CVO !!
 :nixweiss::
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: napalm on April 03, 2013, 03:17:00 PM
What, only three pages of BS so far!!!!!!

napalm
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Red Dragon on April 03, 2013, 03:46:46 PM
The way the Moco is headed, I'm waitin' for a candy sparkle water cooled CVO RICKSHAW designed by Willie G. and Hop Sing from Bonanza...ONLY comes in....RED!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Beemer on April 05, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Here it is...just what we predicted...with the all new water cooled engine!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on April 05, 2013, 03:54:48 PM
The coffee maker will only be a dealer installed accessory.  Other new dealer option is new (chrome plated) Screamin' Eagle Bong ($348.95 MSRP) that can ride in the CD tray while going down the road.

Only available in California, Oregon, and Colorado...the California version is a vaporizer bong so there is no second hand smoke...the CD tray holder is an innovative idear though...

The CVO Servicar rear will house a new Hydroponic growbox with LED lighting, charcoal filtering, and the water will double as cooling media for the V4 Revolution Engine.  Screamin' Eagle Hydrogrow...available in quarts/gallons for $99.95 and $249.95 respectively.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on April 05, 2013, 08:18:29 PM
Only available in California, Oregon, and Colorado...the California version is a vaporizer bong so there is no second hand smoke...the CD tray holder is an innovative idear though...

The CVO Servicar rear will house a new Hydroponic growbox with LED lighting, charcoal filtering, and the water will double as cooling media for the V4 Revolution Engine.  Screamin' Eagle Hydrogrow...available in quarts/gallons for $99.95 and $249.95 respectively.

But..... the first factory recall will be on the large voltage regulator necesary for the grow lights.  NHTSA report will cite bikes with charging spikes that cause the lights to piss off the plants and have them reach out of the storage rear of the Servicar and strangle the riders (think "Little Shop of Horrors") causing "potential injury or death."
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Trapperdog on April 05, 2013, 10:05:17 PM
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Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Breakout on April 08, 2013, 08:39:53 AM
Here it is...just what we predicted...with the all new water cooled engine!
Yep and it is not only water cooled, due to the surging gas prices it will have an DIESEL engine too !!!! :orange: :mango: :bananarock: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :pineapple: :pepper:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 93-331-29psi on April 09, 2013, 08:33:32 AM
Does anyone know when the California EPA specs are published ???? Usually that is our first knowledge of what the cvo's will be.

Last year it was June timeframe.  Check here often

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2014/2014.php
Title: 2014 CVO Lineup
Post by: 15CVOSG on April 15, 2013, 12:04:06 PM
heard it from my pool guy ... he's very knowledgeable on pools so I trust his CVO expertise as well (lol) ... soooo ... he says 2014 touring models to be water cooled ... no 14' CVO Street Glide again ... CVO lineup will be CVO Ultra , CVO Road King , CVO Breakout will be back and a new CVO  softail model ... possibly a CVO Deluxe version ...

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLY-DOG on April 15, 2013, 02:10:22 PM
My inside source tells me he’s seen behind the secret door and there are only going to be 2 significant model changes.  A slammed blacked out bagger model called “Spec-Ops”; it will have visuals similar to the Honda F6B, and it will be a water cooled V-Twin.  A new CVO Trike that will also share the “Spec-Ops” water cooled motor.  Everything else will soldier on until MOCO has time to evaluate acceptance of the water cooled theme in 2014.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on April 15, 2013, 02:14:05 PM
My inside source tells me he’s seen behind the secret door and there are only going to be 2 significant model changes.  A slammed blacked out bagger model called “Spec-Ops”; it will have visuals similar to the Honda F6B, and it will be a water cooled V-Twin.  A new CVO Trike that will also share the “Spec-Ops” water cooled motor.  Everything else will soldier on until MOCO has time to evaluate acceptance of the water cooled theme in 2014.

Don't know about the rest of it but I have heard the same CVO trike rumor.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: donald p on April 15, 2013, 05:01:58 PM
 SORRY there is NO 2014, my mom said so.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 93-331-29psi on April 15, 2013, 05:13:06 PM
Maybe that spec ops will come with stealth paint as well
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: grc on April 15, 2013, 05:14:23 PM
The only thing I can say with total confidence is that the quality and reliability of Harley's offerings in 2014 will still be very poor, and their customer service will suck as much as or even more than usual.  Considering those two items, I really don't care what else they may offer for 2014, I won't be buying it.  I'd rather spend my money on something worthwhile, like a colonoscopy.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: skippy on April 15, 2013, 05:26:19 PM
I had a dealer tell me Saturday that we may see water cooled heads next year on touring bikes  with some sort of radiator in the fairing   :o :o :o            cannot wait to see this quagmire   
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Toddster on April 16, 2013, 03:37:07 PM
I have to say that all blacked out goldwing pic a page or two earlier looks damn good to me. I understand the only option is an oriental massage.

My Ouija board says 2014 will bring us a CVO 883 in hot pink that comes w a lipstick holder and the radiator doubles as a bidet.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: HUBBARD on April 16, 2013, 06:06:31 PM
Water-Cooled Heads on the Tour-Glide, :oops:, Road-Glide, only, for 2014.  Too many of you RUBS complaining about your thighs gettin' too hot!  Did HD actually listen to the RUBS?  :nixweiss: Same 45 degree V-Twin.  You'll have to have a trained eye to see the difference.  Coolant in Lowers.  Can't take 'em off on that Model.  >:(  Later--HUBBARD   
Title: Re: 2014 CVO Lineup
Post by: jr1000yarder on April 16, 2013, 07:10:00 PM
heard it from my pool guy ... he's very knowledgeable on pools so I trust his CVO expertise as well (lol) ... soooo ... he says 2014 touring models to be water cooled ... no 14' CVO Street Glide again ... CVO lineup will be CVO Ultra , CVO Road King , CVO Breakout will be back and a new CVO  softail model ... possibly a CVO Deluxe version ...



That is very interesting. We place our phase one orders on April 23rd and Road Glide and Road King Classic are dropped from the 2014 FL line up. I know, I know but it's true. Take that to the bank

The 2014 colors of the non cvo's are kinda cool too. I like Daytona Blue Pearl :2vrolijk_21:

Discontinuation Details for Road Glide for 2014MY

Both Road Glide models are being discontinued for the 2014MY to undergo planned design refreshes; during this time, we will also be making needed updates to the manufacturing processes currently being used to produce these models. For example, the fairing tooling for this model is at the end of its usable life, so during the discontinued timeframe we will both update this design and retool manufacturing equipment. Making both design and build changes during this time will enable us to more quickly reintroduce a more innovative and better-than-ever Road Glide for your touring customers. Additional information on the reintroduction of the Road Glide will be shared at the 2013 Annual Dealer Meeting in August.

Discontinuation Details for Road King models

Over the past few years we have been monitoring Road King and Road King Classic sales, and have sought input from dealers regarding whether we needed both of these models in our lineup. Considering recent sales trends, we have decided to discontinue the Road King Classic in North America. In international markets, where the Road King Classic outsells the Road King, we will be discontinuing the Road King.



Rich
Title: Re: 2014 CVO Lineup
Post by: CVOStreetglide on April 17, 2013, 03:33:20 PM
That is very interesting. We place our phase one orders on April 23rd and Road Glide and Road King Classic are dropped from the 2014 FL line up. I know, I know but it's true. Take that to the bank

The 2014 colors of the non cvo's are kinda cool too. I like Daytona Blue Pearl :2vrolijk_21:

Discontinuation Details for Road Glide for 2014MY

Both Road Glide models are being discontinued for the 2014MY to undergo planned design refreshes; during this time, we will also be making needed updates to the manufacturing processes currently being used to produce these models. For example, the fairing tooling for this model is at the end of its usable life, so during the discontinued timeframe we will both update this design and retool manufacturing equipment. Making both design and build changes during this time will enable us to more quickly reintroduce a more innovative and better-than-ever Road Glide for your touring customers. Additional information on the reintroduction of the Road Glide will be shared at the 2013 Annual Dealer Meeting in August.

Discontinuation Details for Road King models

Over the past few years we have been monitoring Road King and Road King Classic sales, and have sought input from dealers regarding whether we needed both of these models in our lineup. Considering recent sales trends, we have decided to discontinue the Road King Classic in North America. In international markets, where the Road King Classic outsells the Road King, we will be discontinuing the Road King.



Rich


CLEARLY THIS IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS BUT........

If you value your job with the motor company, I would refrain from making these type of postings. As you know you are bound by a confidentiality agreement and can be fired for releasing confidential information. 

I personally don't want to see that happen.  So I am suggesting you take the postings down before somebody from the motor company see them and takes action.

Regards
Title: Re: 2014 CVO Lineup
Post by: Twolanerider on April 17, 2013, 04:22:52 PM

CLEARLY THIS IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS BUT........

If you value your job with the motor company, I would refrain from making these type of postings. As you know you are bound by a confidentiality agreement and can be fired for releasing confidential information.  

I personally don't want to see that happen.  So I am suggesting you take the postings down before somebody from the motor company see them and takes action.

Regards


The letter he's citing is already in the wild and has been posted in its original form here on the site several weeks back.  The other info has been public for quite awhile also and also cited with copies of HD correspondence.  So he's likely ok.  Even were the gentlemen inclined to (perhaps prudently) remove his post or at least edit to remove his personally identifying information it's is harder for him to do once you've quoted it....  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jr1000yarder on April 17, 2013, 06:46:38 PM
It's all good, the way I see it it would drive people in to gobble up the remaining inventory while available.

It has already been published anyway.

Rich
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on April 17, 2013, 08:05:26 PM
It's all good, the way I see it it would drive people in to gobble up the remaining inventory while available.

It has already been published anyway.

Rich


I agree.  My Dealer showed me the same documentation and said if you want a Road Glide buy it now/b]
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on April 18, 2013, 10:33:11 AM

I agree.  My Dealer showed me the same documentation and said if you want a Road Glide buy it now/b]

JUST SAYING: As an employee who signed a confidentiality agreement (gave his word) my suggestion is to err on the side of caution and not go public with any information that could put your dealer, the HD plant, your career or your job at risk.

Over the years, we non employees have talked about a lot of new model rumors on these sites. But we aren't subject to the same code of conduct as The Motor Company employees.

FWIW: In years past we had a thread like this going and I mentioned some new model speculation in jest in a post. Willie "G" read it and responded "Your Fired" in jest. So you just never know who is a member or is just reading the posts.

Regards
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on April 18, 2013, 10:51:15 PM
All good points but we must be hitting close to home...since inthe past we said the information must have been from the "Pool Boy" :nervous: :nervous:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: danmorel on May 10, 2013, 08:36:50 AM
Since the color chart for the Non-CVO models has been seen....hence the mention for a color dubbed as "Daytona Blue Pearl"

what are the other colors, which model will be available to each color option??

Has anyone seen the actual chart or document with the colors??
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Yellow09SERG on May 10, 2013, 10:00:53 AM
Forget the bikes.... I want the 14 SE Book to see if there is any chance the MOCO will remember us with the long forgotten granite colored 110's with a granite 120
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Charlie on May 10, 2013, 12:11:33 PM

I agree.  My Dealer showed me the same documentation and said if you want a Road Glide buy it now/b]
+1 my dealer said the same thing! said the Road Glide was stopping to change the design on the windshield etc.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: danmorel on May 11, 2013, 07:24:02 PM
actually all this info about dropping the Road Glide and with a possible return in the next model year has been out for quite a while....there's even a HD document floating around dated january, 2013 stating the reasons for doing so.

It also explains why the RK with hard bags will only be available in domestic US market and the RK Classic will be exclusively sold in international markets...


as for the color charts...has anyone actually seen them?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: tweeter13 on May 11, 2013, 08:25:32 PM
The only thing I can say with total confidence is that the quality and reliability of Harley's offerings in 2014 will still be very poor, and their customer service will suck as much as or even more than usual.  Considering those two items, I really don't care what else they may offer for 2014, I won't be buying it.  I'd rather spend my money on something worthwhile, like a colonoscopy.

Jerry


Me too.  They might find my head so I could find the reason for me buying my 11.5 in the first place.  All kidding aside I do like the bike.  Very expensive.  I love riding it.  Would I buy another one,  not sure right now.  Give it a few more years. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on May 11, 2013, 09:12:56 PM
I'll be keeping the Honey Badger for a long time. Whatever changes are in store for 2014, I sure don't want to be a guinea pig for them...

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Cyclegirl on May 11, 2013, 11:01:43 PM
Will this be the year of the first CVO Trek?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on May 12, 2013, 01:02:30 PM
Will this be the year of the first CVO Trek?
Yes!!!  But don't you get rid of Blue Thunder... >:( ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on June 01, 2013, 07:20:25 PM
Keep an eye on the CA EPA website.  We should start seeing some information after all its only 12 weeks till they announce the 2014's

Should be interesting
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 93-331-29psi on June 06, 2013, 08:21:10 PM
This information was posted months ago and is no new news. I don't think anything was said that would jeopardize anyone's livelihood.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: StreetDog on June 06, 2013, 09:19:35 PM
 Just heard today that ................NO 2014 CVO ROADKING...............they are going back to cvo streetglide instead.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Billy on June 06, 2013, 10:20:09 PM
That's what I was hoping for now we wait and see. Billy
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on June 06, 2013, 11:10:01 PM
Just heard today that ................NO 2014 CVO ROADKING...............they are going back to cvo streetglide instead.


.........and it's a 120R with water cooled heads and a radiator in the lowers.   :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: donald p on June 06, 2013, 11:51:16 PM
Harley Davidson Does NOT change their cycles unless they THINK last years model is perfected.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 2018_FLTRXSE on June 07, 2013, 11:12:22 AM
actually all this info about dropping the Road Glide and with a possible return in the next model year has been out for quite a while....there's even a HD document floating around dated january, 2013 stating the reasons for doing so.

It also explains why the RK with hard bags will only be available in domestic US market and the RK Classic will be exclusively sold in international markets...


as for the color charts...has anyone actually seen them?

Not like you cant make the key change on either bike just by switching bags.... if youre looking for color matched hard bags look for another touring bike (usually an ultra) in the same color scheme. order them complete (they arent cheap)

but you'll convert a "classic" into a standard for minimal headaches.... now, if you want the fender lights too (and the different plate light/mount... thats a different animal all together.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on June 15, 2013, 07:20:37 AM
for whats it worth the rumor mill at my local  dealership says   that all touring  models will have abs  system including the softail line as well .
 and there is gonna to be a new   model come out  like the breakout  ...   it will have a motor  change ...maybe  a 110 in a standard line up ?  who knows
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on June 15, 2013, 09:03:26 AM
for whats it worth the rumor mill at my local  dealership says   that all touring  models will have abs  system including the softail line as well .
 and there is gonna to be a new   model come out  like the breakout  ...   it will have a motor  change ...maybe  a 110 in a standard line up ?  who knows
Pushing down the 110 on other models will tell us if the moco has a change for 2015.  So if anyone has the itch to get the not so greatest
and newest of the new 2015 well ...................

But it is still ... if I read it on the internet  :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: napalm on June 15, 2013, 09:27:28 PM
Harley Davidson Does NOT change their cycles unless they THINK last years model is perfected.

Guess that's why we have had to live with the 110 motor  :o  for so long :huepfenjump3:...LOL... :drink:  :nixweiss:    :drink:  :nixweiss:   :drink:   :nixweiss:

napalm
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on June 16, 2013, 10:06:57 AM
Nothin so far...
 >:(http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2014/2014.php
Title: 2014's coming soon!
Post by: Grizzly on June 28, 2013, 08:12:32 AM
My dealer is pumping me up for something new and exciting for the '14 line-up, he's talking major change???

Anybody have any ideas?

I've also heard that the price will take a big jump.

 :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on June 29, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
The one rumor that I've heard is that for 2014, there will be a choice on the standard Ultra models only; air-cooled or water-cooled with the radiators in the lowers.  Of course, reliability via the rumor mill is always questionable, but it seems like most of this thread is the rumor mill at it's finest. :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on June 29, 2013, 11:01:48 PM
The one rumor that I've heard is that for 2014, there will be a choice on the standard Ultra models only; air-cooled or water-cooled with the radiators in the lowers.  Of course, reliability via the rumor mill is always questionable, but it seems like most of this thread is the rumor mill at it's finest. :coolblue:

I finally gave in and went to the source.  Called the pool boy.  He's always been right on before and so willing to help.  I seem to remember him being dead last year.  But he must have gotten better.  Anyway.... when I asked him what was happening for 2014 he told me to go &^(* myself.  Pretty sure he didn't mean it in a good way either. 

Recovering from being dead must have made him grumpy.....  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Charlie on June 30, 2013, 11:08:13 AM
 
I finally gave in and went to the source.  Called the pool boy.  He's always been right on before and so willing to help.  I seem to remember him being dead last year.  But he must have gotten better.  Anyway.... when I asked him what was happening for 2014 he told me to go &^(* myself.  Pretty sure he didn't mean it in a good way either. 

Recovering from being dead must have made him grumpy.....  :nixweiss:
;D :D great  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: YELLOWBIRD on June 30, 2013, 01:27:45 PM
Because most of the parts on the CVO's are from China.

I heard that instead of the Gold Keys, or Gold coins, they

are going to be given away Smithfield meats products

with the 2014 CVO Models!!

 :P  :o  :D  :bananarock:  :pineapple:  :pepper:

Ride On,

YB
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on July 01, 2013, 10:06:21 AM
We all know that there will be no Road Glides in 2014, but I also heard that in the "regular" lineup, there will be NO Classics or Ultras from now on... This would leave ONLY Limiteds in the Electra Glide family.

That's what I heard anyway.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 01, 2013, 10:14:18 AM
We all know that there will be no Road Glides in 2014, but I also heard that in the "regular" lineup, there will be NO Classics or Ultras from now on... This would leave ONLY Limiteds in the Electra Glide family.

That's what I heard anyway.  :nixweiss:


Source?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 01, 2013, 10:22:01 AM

Source?

I'm guessing that same, pesky pool boy..... :huepfenlol2:

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: dartman on July 01, 2013, 12:03:12 PM

Source?
Dropped bike off for service yesterday, Dealer has an update he received

Harley is streamlining it's lineup of motorcycles for 2014 by dropping six bikes from their lineup for 2014. the changes are supposed to reduce model complexity in showrooms,

dropped for 2014 XR1200X Sportster, the FXS Softail Blackline, and the FLHTC Electra Glide for good. The FLHRC Road King Classic will be sold internationally but only the standard will be the US.

Both the FLTRX Road Glide Custom and the FLTRU Road Glide Ultra won't be available in 2014, but only temporarily: both models are getting a redesign and update. They should be back by 2015 barring any new developments.

No Information as yet on the CVO lineup.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: WildClyde on July 03, 2013, 02:34:47 PM
Does anyone know if Harley is going to announce the 2014 lineup before Sturgis? Remember that last year they decided to forgo the announcement until after Sturgis which IMHO was a marketing disaster.

Clyde
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: HJP on July 03, 2013, 07:27:45 PM
My understanding is that the dealers meeting is after Sturgis again this year.  No new Harleys again at Sturgis this year.  Will have to check out the new Indian Chief that is being rolled out at Sturgis this year. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: WildClyde on July 03, 2013, 08:10:30 PM
I guess 416,000+ potential customers viewing your new product line up close does not get the bean-counters excited.

Was there a change in the Marketing dept. two years ago? I remember hearing that last year some dealers felt that introducing the new product line in the peak selling season hurt sales. That is not intuitive to me - you would think that it would increase sales. My local dealer felt that the change last year was ill-advised.

Is Harley moving to a new cars get introduced in the Fall so motorcycles should be too marketing model?

Sturgis Attendance Source: http://www.sturgismotorcyclerally.com/info-guide/faq.php (http://www.sturgismotorcyclerally.com/info-guide/faq.php)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Ghost Rider on July 03, 2013, 11:33:05 PM
I guess 416,000+ potential customers viewing your new product line up close does not get the bean-counters excited.


I can't speak for all "bean-counters" but this is one CPA that gets pretty darn excited about Sturgis every year.  :2vrolijk_21:  :cucumber:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: WildClyde on July 04, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
Quote
Was there a change in the Marketing dept. two years ago?

The answer is that a change was made in 2007, and the new marketing guy came from General Motors. His bio follows along with a link to a YouTube video where he says: "...so put customer right at the heart of it. Use them as the inspiration as we do in the rest of our business and see what comes out. And so it started a little bit an experiment as most of these things do, and it was impressive - the ideas coming from the people who are most emotionally invested in the brand were impressive. They knew how to talk to themselves - the things that they were interested in, and so, you know, we were able to turn the majority of our creative development over to our fans to the place we call the fan machine. And it's very rich".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c5nBtF-AGU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c5nBtF-AGU)

Mark-Hans Richer

Senior Vice President and Global Chief Marketing Officer
Harley-Davidson Incorporated

Mark-Hans Richer is Senior Vice President and Global Chief Marketing Officer for Harley-Davidson, Incorporated, with primary responsibility for overseeing all global marketing activities including promotions and advertising, motorcycle product planning, the Harley-Davidson Museum, and the Harley Owners Group (H.O.G.).

Prior to joining Harley-Davidson as Chief Marketing Officer in July, 2007, Richer held numerous marketing and advertising positions at General Motors. In November 2006 he was inducted into the American Advertising Federation's Hall of Achievement for his career of high-impact, non-traditional marketing approaches. These include two Cannes Gold Lion-awarded marketing programs while at Pontiac, and prior successes helping lead advertising and promotions at GMC and Chevy Trucks. Richer also has previously won three Effies, the PMA Super Reggie, Promo Magazines' interactive promotion of the year and a Kelly Award for best national print.

Prior to GM, Richer served as the Director, Latin America for the McDonald's account at DDB Needham Advertising and served in different roles over eight years working on consumer goods brands as SC Johnson Wax and General Mills.

Richer holds a Bachelor of Arts degree in History from Northwestern University and an MBA from the University of Michigan. Richer is a motorcycle enthusiast of 24 years, and the proud owner of Harley-Davidson V-Rod Muscle and Road Glide Custom motorcycles.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: WYD OPN on July 04, 2013, 07:14:06 PM
The dealer meeting has been pushed back for a simple reason.  In years past, the meeting had been moved earlier because dealers and customers were screaming for product to supply the demand.  The market dropped overall and has rebounded along with the economy.  But dealers wanted the intro date pushed back to move their current product.

The 110th-intro last year was the perfect opportunity to slide the dealer meeting back from July to August for model introduction.  It gives the bulk of the current riding season for current MY sales, but still with the opportunity for some early-production next-MY sales and riding time.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: StreetDog on July 04, 2013, 08:27:47 PM
 IMO... Mark-Han Richer is really missing the mark on this decision. Being from the car background I guess he does not realize the affect of marketing to over 400,000 people in one week at the Sturgis rally. I am willing to bet that Polaris understands this and that they will sale more than a few new Indian bikes that week. Especially if the quality is superior to the Harley crap MOCO has been selling the last few years.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: nevadabob on July 04, 2013, 08:46:47 PM
 :-\ HARSH !  :soapbox:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: grayghost731 on July 04, 2013, 08:51:07 PM
IMO... Mark-Han Richer is really missing the mark on this decision. Being from the car background I guess he does not realize the affect of marketing to over 400,000 people in one week at the Sturgis rally. I am willing to bet that Polaris understands this and that they will sale more than a few new Indian bikes that week. Especially if the quality is superior to the Harley crap MOCO has been selling the last few years.




Missing the mark... Most people at the Big Rallies already drank the Kool-aid, There Loyal to Harley!

He's going for a whole New Younger Market and Females  ;)  We Will See  how it goes  :nixweiss:

Harley has  appeal to people who want to customize there bike, with out building it from scratch.

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on July 08, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
Last year in Sturgis the Victory tent was packed as it will be this year with all the interest in the 2014 Indians.  Meanwhile there fewer people in the Harley tents by comparison.  I attended the big event at the Museum when they rolled the 2013s and it was well attended but there were no 400,000 people there.

I heard this change of date was done to help the dealers clear out the current year bikes before interest peaks on the new models.  They must not care if interest instead peaks toward the Indian and others
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on July 08, 2013, 07:40:59 PM
Last year in Sturgis the Victory tent was packed as it will be this year with all the interest in the 2014 Indians.  Meanwhile there fewer people in the Harley tents by comparison.  I attended the big event at the Museum when they rolled the 2013s and it was well attended but there were no 400,000 people there.

I heard this change of date was done to help the dealers clear out the current year bikes before interest peaks on the new models.  They must not care if interest instead peaks toward the Indian and others


Consider the fact that you started this thread way back on March 4th (over 4 months ago).  I'm asking you to look at yourself only and then tell me if your interest in seeing the 2014 Harleys stops when they aren't debuted at Sturgis.  Obviously, the answer is no.  Impatient and can't wait to see them looks like the answer would be yes.  Disappointed...probably.  Are you planning on pulling the trigger and buying an Indian without seeing the new Harleys?  Probably not, but if you were, then you would probably buy the Indian if you were that impressed with it, regardless of what Harley does.  My point is that trying to make this into some kind of argument that this is some huge marketing mistake by Harley is a bunch of poppycock.  Harley already has your attention and they very well know it.  Face it, most of us know that our bikes are not the best built machines sold by a long stretch, yet we pay top dollar for them while already knowing that we are going to make all kinds of changes to them.  Apparently, we don't even like the bikes as they are sold.  We need to make numerous changes to them and still aren't satisfied and we continue to look for new ways to change them.  My friend, if that isn't marketing genius, I don't know what it is.  If anything, it might take the person thinking about popping for the Indian and delay their purchase and give them some time to think about what they are doing, while they wait to see the new Harleys.  I'm just as anxious to see the new Harley lineup as everybody else is.  Yes, they have their hook in me too.  But the anticipation doesn't fade, it grows as we get nearer the release.  I for one will be disappointed if we don't see at least one water-cooled model this year (excluding the Vrod of course).  We all know it's coming one of these years, and I would like to see a finished product to see what they actually come up with.  Then I can go back to waiting to see if they have a lot of bugs to work out and decide how long to wait to own one.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Eccool on July 08, 2013, 08:40:05 PM
(This is not directed at anyone in particular).  I really don't understand what all of the enthusiasm is about for a water cooled engine.  Harley debuted the V-Rod and it bombed.  A water cooled tourer might do better, I'm not sure.  There are plenty of water cooled bikes available if somebody wants one.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: grayghost731 on July 08, 2013, 08:47:06 PM



Missing the mark... Most people at the Big Rallies already drank the Kool-aid, There Loyal to Harley!

He's going for a whole New Younger Market and Females  ;)  We Will See  how it goes  :nixweiss:

Harley has  appeal to people who want to customize there bike, with out building it from scratch.





www.youtube.com  Harley wheelies 11     This is the New Harley Generation !
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on July 08, 2013, 09:10:34 PM
(This is not directed at anyone in particular).  I really don't understand what all of the enthusiasm is about for a water cooled engine.  Harley debuted the V-Rod and it bombed.  A water cooled tourer might do better, I'm not sure.  There are plenty of water cooled bikes available if somebody wants one.

I'm not saying that I'm enthused about the water-cooled engine.  It's just that it seems to be the inevitable at some point and there is so much talk about it, that I would like to just get it over with and see just what it is that we have been anticipating for years.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on July 08, 2013, 10:35:55 PM
(This is not directed at anyone in particular).  I really don't understand what all of the enthusiasm is about for a water cooled engine.  Harley debuted the V-Rod and it bombed.  A water cooled tourer might do better, I'm not sure.  There are plenty of water cooled bikes available if somebody wants one.


It DIDN'T flop.  Consider these points:

It is as successful as almost all the other lines.

It is one of the most reliable engine platforms out there. You don't read about a lot of issues with these motors even after twelve years.

The performance is teriffic. There are many Destroyers in competition that see the low to mid nines regularly. And if you want to you can turbo or nitrous the street and competition models to go even faster/quicker.

Currently 14 model year old bikes are getting 35 - 45% of their original selling price.

There is a huge ownership/following. Over 47,700 registered members on a V-Rod specific site alone.

For many it is a 2nd bike.

FWIW: DISCLOSURE: Yes I owned 2 V-Rods 1 street version with a highly modified motor and one competition model (Destroyer) I also owned a couple of Street Glides at the same time.

Regards

Jerry




Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on July 09, 2013, 05:24:55 PM
His so called marketing genius didn't help GM weather the recession. Canadian and US tax payers forked out billions and billions of dollars in subsidies to keep the GM solvent on both sides of the border. Oh well, at least the guy rides.....     



LOL   GOOD POINT
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Eccool on July 09, 2013, 06:45:49 PM

It DIDN'T flop.  Consider these points:

It is as successful as almost all the other lines.

You have GOT to be kidding.  Go for a ride today.  How many V-Rods did you see?  Probably none, or maybe one.  Walk into virtually any dealership.  How many do you see on the floor?  Very few (and it's not because they sold them all - lol).  It's because dealers like to carry what sells.  By any objective measure, the V-Rod bombed.

 








Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on July 09, 2013, 08:53:44 PM


Maybe.....in your world but not oin a lot of other locations.

Don't get me wrong I like both V-Rods and Twinkies because they are well engineered and offer different experiences.

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on July 09, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
Consider the fact that you started this thread way back on March 4th (over 4 months ago).  I'm asking you to look at yourself only and then tell me if your interest in seeing the 2014 Harleys stops when they aren't debuted at Sturgis.  Obviously, the answer is no.  Impatient and can't wait to see them looks like the answer would be yes.  Disappointed...probably.  Are you planning on pulling the trigger and buying an Indian without seeing the new Harleys?  Probably not, but if you were, then you would probably buy the Indian if you were that impressed with it, regardless of what Harley does.  My point is that trying to make this into some kind of argument that this is some huge marketing mistake by Harley is a bunch of poppycock.  Harley already has your attention and they very well know it.  Face it, most of us know that our bikes are not the best built machines sold by a long stretch, yet we pay top dollar for them while already knowing that we are going to make all kinds of changes to them.  Apparently, we don't even like the bikes as they are sold.  We need to make numerous changes to them and still aren't satisfied and we continue to look for new ways to change them.  My friend, if that isn't marketing genius, I don't know what it is.  If anything, it might take the person thinking about popping for the Indian and delay their purchase and give them some time to think about what they are doing, while they wait to see the new Harleys.  I'm just as anxious to see the new Harley lineup as everybody else is.  Yes, they have their hook in me too.  But the anticipation doesn't fade, it grows as we get nearer the release.  I for one will be disappointed if we don't see at least one water-cooled model this year (excluding the Vrod of course).  We all know it's coming one of these years, and I would like to see a finished product to see what they actually come up with.  Then I can go back to waiting to see if they have a lot of bugs to work out and decide how long to wait to own one.





Wow. Lots of assumptions here. My intent was not to make it an "argument"
























Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on July 10, 2013, 07:50:58 AM
I've been pondering on this water cooled motor deal for 2014 or later.  The vRod was designed (with MUCH help from Porsche) specifically as a water cooled engine and it's a great motor (again, thanks to the Germans).  The rumors are a'flyin' on what the next water cooler will be but here are my thoughts.  If the MoCo retrofits the twin cam as a H2O cooled and doesn't design an all new engine strickly as a water cooler (as the vrod) there will be major problems.  It took a few years to get the Evo "perfected" and except for the years they went away from Timken bearings, they were great motors and lived from 1984 to 2000.  The twin cam is a very good motor but there are still issues with it after 14 years.  The vRod motor has actually been a very good motor from the start but it was always a water cooled motor design.  Retrofiting an air cooled motor can be done but it's a challenge and knowing the MoCo, I wouldn't touch one for the first 5 years, maybe longer.
Fuel injection was a given and with the EPA regs, water cooling is coming for our HD's.  I'm hoping that they learn from the past (I know what your thinking here....just as I'm typing, I'm laughing out loud) and go with either a revamping/upgrading of the vRod motor OR a whole new water cooled motor design..... ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: PierceEye on July 10, 2013, 08:35:36 PM
I've been pondering on this water cooled motor deal for 2014 or later.  The vRod was designed (with MUCH help from Porsche) specifically as a water cooled engine and it's a great motor (again, thanks to the Germans).  The rumors are a'flyin' on what the next water cooler will be but here are my thoughts.  If the MoCo retrofits the twin cam as a H2O cooled and doesn't design an all new engine strickly as a water cooler (as the vrod) there will be major problems.  It took a few years to get the Evo "perfected" and except for the years they went away from Timken bearings, they were great motors and lived from 1984 to 2000.  The twin cam is a very good motor but there are still issues with it after 14 years.  The vRod motor has actually been a very good motor from the start but it was always a water cooled motor design.  Retrofiting an air cooled motor can be done but it's a challenge and knowing the MoCo, I wouldn't touch one for the first 5 years, maybe longer.
Fuel injection was a given and with the EPA regs, water cooling is coming for our HD's.  I'm hoping that they learn from the past (I know what your thinking here....just as I'm typing, I'm laughing out loud) and go with either a revamping/upgrading of the vRod motor OR a whole new water cooled motor design..... ;D

For me it would have to be the same design as our air cooled or it will not have the same sound and the torque we love
....JMO
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on July 10, 2013, 10:06:06 PM
Water-cooled heads would do quite a bit to lessen the overall heat. Not as much as a true liquid-cooled modern engine like the one in the V-Rod... But they would enable the MoCo to get a few more years out of the (cough) "real" Harley pushrod V-Twin.

Now, if they came out with a BAGGER with a V-Rod engine, that might be a real game-changer for me. I would love to have a truly modern, quad overhead cam, liquid-cooled Touring engine that makes 125 HP out of the box with no heat issues. The different exhaust note would not bother me a bit.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: PierceEye on July 10, 2013, 10:26:30 PM
Water-cooled heads would do quite a bit to lessen the overall heat. Not as much as a true liquid-cooled modern engine like the one in the V-Rod... But they would enable the MoCo to get a few more years out of the (cough) "real" Harley pushrod V-Twin.

Now, if they came out with a BAGGER with a V-Rod engine, that might be a real game-changer for me. I would love to have a truly modern, quad overhead cam, liquid-cooled Touring engine that makes 125 HP out of the box with no heat issues. The different exhaust note would not bother me a bit.

Ken

Here you go :-)   http://www.hotbikes.insitetrading.com/index.html
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Eccool on July 10, 2013, 10:47:36 PM
Maybe.....in your world but not oin a lot of other locations.

Don't get me wrong I like both V-Rods and Twinkies because they are well engineered and offer different experiences.



There is a post in the Harley Tech Talk forum in the V-Rod section.  It is titled "V-Rod Market".  A salesman that works at a Harley dealership asks what can he do to sell more of them because they can't give them away.  How well engineered they may or may not be has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that they bombed in the market place.  I'm not sure a water cooled tourer would do substantially better.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on July 10, 2013, 11:33:54 PM
"Wow. Lots of assumptions here. My intent was not to make it an "argument""

I was not meaning to use the term "argument" in the sense of debating back and forth with another.  Rather, I was speaking in terms of "argument" in the sense of that you were stating your case that this was a huge marketing mistake for Harley.  No personal attack intended.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.  My point was that the existence of this thread itself shows that we all are still on the edge of our seats to see what's coming, and they could wait until next year to release the new models and we would all keep our interest active.  I realize that sometimes I should just keep my hands in my pockets and forget that I know how to type, but sometimes I just can't resist stirring the pot a bit.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 11, 2013, 01:39:20 AM
Water-cooled heads would do quite a bit to lessen the overall heat. Not as much as a true liquid-cooled modern engine like the one in the V-Rod... But they would enable the MoCo to get a few more years out of the (cough) "real" Harley pushrod V-Twin.

Now, if they came out with a BAGGER with a V-Rod engine, that might be a real game-changer for me. I would love to have a truly modern, quad overhead cam, liquid-cooled Touring engine that makes 125 HP out of the box with no heat issues. The different exhaust note would not bother me a bit.

Ken

Water cooling in a bike like a Harley bagger might indeed get heat out of the engine.  But I don't expect it to make the riding experience at all better.  In fact I expect the riders to absorb a penalty for the gain acquired by the engine.

No one thinks that Harley is going to clad the engine with body panels.  That being so the only place a pair of small radiators can go on a Electra Glide or a Road Glide is the lowers.  And we reside behind those lowers.  So where is the heat from the radiator going to radiate?  Right back to us in the saddle...

That lack of alternative radiator location is why I fully expect water cooled heads only. Sealed water jackets that don't go lower.  At least for awhile.  That why bikes that can't or won't ever get lowers can stay with the same engine.  Dynas and Softails will get the air cooled heads and their service lives will continue until something actually new actually has to be done.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: donald p on July 11, 2013, 05:39:12 AM
More likely we could see OIL cooled heads on the new harley's.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LC110 on July 11, 2013, 08:29:53 AM
More likely we could see OIL cooled heads on the new harley's.
Ssshh, Your not suppose to tell anyone. :deal2:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 05Train on July 11, 2013, 08:53:30 AM
More likely we could see OIL cooled heads on the new harley's.
That would be the simple solution.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on July 11, 2013, 09:24:31 AM
Don't they have oil cooled heads already on the xr models?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 05Train on July 11, 2013, 09:30:41 AM
Don't they have oil cooled heads already on the xr models?
Sure do.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BryantH on July 11, 2013, 09:32:06 AM

Those CARB reports are really really late this year. This may suggest something really different for Harley........ I don't ever remember them being this late.
BryantH
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on July 11, 2013, 11:56:36 AM
Posted this in the SESG 2014 speculation thread, too.

One thing that would be GREAT is to get rid of the ancient, troublesome H-K radio - and go to a more modern touch panel all-digital audio system with Bluetooth, MP3 player, GPS, etc. and a big LCD panel in the dash to control all of the functions. Does anyone use CDs anymore? I have never even put one in my radio!

Harley really needs to step up and provide state of the art modern audio/nav systems like many automobiles have these days - without needing all of the bulky add-on modules for iPod, CB, nav, etc.

Just a thought... What does everyone think about that?

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on July 11, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
Posted this in the SESG 2014 speculation thread, too.

One thing that would be GREAT is to get rid of the ancient, troublesome H-K radio - and go to a more modern touch panel all-digital audio system with Bluetooth, MP3 player, GPS, etc. and a big LCD panel in the dash to control all of the functions. Does anyone use CDs anymore? I have never even put one in my radio!

Harley really needs to step up and provide state of the art modern audio/nav systems like many automobiles have these days - without needing all of the bulky add-on modules for iPod, CB, nav, etc.

Just a thought... What does everyone think about that?


You are dead spot on....That would be a great idea

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LETS_ROLL on July 12, 2013, 06:03:53 PM
Are the new models gonna ba announced in Sturgis or Milwaukee @ the 110?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on July 13, 2013, 11:36:53 AM
OK THIS IS OFFICIAL!!!! It did not come from the pool boy, but did come from someone in the know. WATER COOLED in 2014. They are testing right now and they are having some issues. I don't know what models or every model. I know this person was talking about 1 model that they were working on right now. This person would not give up any other info.

Please do not even ask where this came from. You know the MOTHER COMPANY lurks on this site.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 13, 2013, 11:42:46 AM

Please do not even ask where this came from. You know the MOTHER COMPANY lurks on this site.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Hey Mike, where'd you hear this?   :huepfenlol2:

Still testing and still having problems yet having an imminent and very near term release date does sound like Harley Davidson.  In and of itself that almost makes it authoritative....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on July 13, 2013, 12:11:33 PM
Hey Mike, where'd you hear this?   :huepfenlol2:

Still testing and still having problems  yet having an imminent and very near term release date does sound like Harley Davidson.  In and of itself that almost makes it authoritative....

You must have some knowledge as well!!!! I was told a testing problem on 1 of the touring models. I am not sure if that is the only model they have been doing testing on or not.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 13, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
You must have some knowledge as well!!!! I was told a testing problem on 1 of the touring models. I am not sure if that is the only model they have been doing testing on or not.

Be Safe

THE DAWG


Who, me?   ???
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: hdbrad03 on July 13, 2013, 12:48:36 PM
Since the Roadglide is absent from the lineup isn't like 35 years since the TourGlide introduction? Maybe first water cooled bike will be 35th Anniversary TourGlide?  :Nixie's:


 :bananarock: :bananarock:

   Brad
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on July 13, 2013, 01:27:31 PM
Brad the Tourglide was not mentioned to me. At least that is not the model they are testing at this time and having problems with.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: dlaws01 on July 13, 2013, 01:29:31 PM
Hey Mike, where'd you hear this?   :huepfenlol2:

Still testing and still having problems yet having an imminent and very near term release date does sound like Harley Davidson.  In and of itself that almost makes it authoritative....


Still testing and having problems and a near term release date . . .         Sounds par for the course from H-D to me.   ???
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 13, 2013, 02:35:57 PM
Since the Roadglide is absent from the lineup isn't like 35 years since the TourGlide introduction? Maybe first water cooled bike will be 35th Anniversary TourGlide?  :Nixie's:


 :bananarock: :bananarock:

   Brad

It would be.  At least it would be in the specific sense.  The 79 Tour Glide existed.  But the common (and apparently correct) story is that there only 19 were built.  Very much a test mule it seems.  Then 1980 saw something close to 4500 bikes and 1980 got the five speed and the 3 point rubber mounted engine.  My kidneys and shoulders and wrists loved my first rubber mounted shovel (but I digress).  There were other changes with 80 and more later on but that's how the old Tour Glide got started.




Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 13, 2013, 02:44:50 PM

OK THIS IS OFFICIAL!!!!




OMG (learned that from my niece)!  Just realized that Mikey's retirement and coming off the BBQ circuit has now been explained.  The Dawg is the OFFICIAL HD Spokesdawg!  How cool is that :znotworthy: .


Ok, I'd heard rumors and rumblings too.  But nothing that could be cited.  Not exactly like yours but similar.  That even Harley would be stupid enough to have models approved for production with the various state and Federal agencies and, this close to release, actually not have it ready for release strained credulity.  But this is Mother Harley after all.  We are still in, what, the 7th year of beta on the 110?  So who can really say what these clowns would do.

For purposes purely of amusement rather than any actual factual rendering what would be the best guess that one problem model might be?

Do we assume the Dyna is the guinea pig platform as it so often has been?  Or do we assume the more likely target for a water cooled twin cam is the more obvious Touring line?  If Touring which one "is not like the others" and would, therefore, be the most likely problem child?  You suppose they're having trouble finding a place for functional small radiators and/or fans on a Road King without lowers?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: PierceEye on July 13, 2013, 02:52:38 PM
Another thing is if a CVO Ultra is now 36k retail what's a water hog going to be 40k, getting to the point of this is too much to pay for 2 wheels. I had a hard enough time swallowing the money on my new UCA
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 13, 2013, 03:15:21 PM
Another thing is if a CVO Ultra is now 36k retail what's a water hog going to be 40k, getting to the point of this is too much to pay for 2 wheels. I had a hard enough time swallowing the money on my new UCA

These pigs Hogs have been embarrassingly overpriced for so long Harley knows they don't have to care.  Had to kill some time last night and ended up doing so on a Chevy dealer's lot.  Crossover SUV with leather interior, all the common and modern electronic bells and whistles, safety systems throughout, nearly as good highway gas mileage as my Road Glide gets but could seat six, simply many many more systems and engineering and raw materials and development, greater cost of transport, etc etc etc (even has 2.5 times as many tires and wheels).  Yet could have bought the thing for under what these bikes cost.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on July 14, 2013, 07:56:12 AM


OMG (learned that from my niece)!  Just realized that Mikey's retirement and coming off the BBQ circuit has now been explained.  The Dawg is the OFFICIAL HD Spokesdawg!  How cool is that :znotworthy: .


Ok, I'd heard rumors and rumblings too.  But nothing that could be cited.  Not exactly like yours but similar.  That even Harley would be stupid enough to have models approved for production with the various state and Federal agencies and, this close to release, actually not have it ready for release strained credulity.  But this is Mother Harley after all.  We are still in, what, the 7th year of beta on the 110?  So who can really say what these clowns would do.

For purposes purely of amusement rather than any actual factual rendering what would be the best guess that one problem model might be?

Do we assume the Dyna is the guinea pig platform as it so often has been?  Or do we assume the more likely target for a water cooled twin cam is the more obvious Touring line?  If Touring which one "is not like the others" and would, therefore, be the most likely problem child?  You suppose they're having trouble finding a place for functional small radiators and/or fans on a Road King without lowers?

Sorry Don still doing BBQ just not as much this year. Trying to spend time at home for a change. I think if they offer me the "SPOKESDAWG" job I would have to take it!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 14, 2013, 01:35:24 PM
Sorry Don still doing BBQ just not as much this year. Trying to spend time at home for a change. I think if they offer me the "SPOKESDAWG" job I would have to take it!!!!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Got to admit it Mike.  HD SpokesDawg could be a cool gig.  Bring some bark back to their old noise.  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on July 14, 2013, 02:30:15 PM
I ordered a 2014 CVO UC and I really don't want liquid cooled so I hope the rumors are wrong
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVODON on July 14, 2013, 02:52:10 PM
Comment was made above "Does anyone use CD's anymore?". I for one do, I use MP3 format and can get about 100 songs on a normal old cheap cd. I find it much easier to use than messing with anything from apple. 2 or 3 cd's will play along time and if I drop it not much lost, that apple poc will not result in the same thing when dropped.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BALIS on July 17, 2013, 09:47:50 AM
OK THIS IS OFFICIAL!!!! It did not come from the pool boy, but did come from someone in the know. WATER COOLED in 2014. They are testing right now and they are having some issues. I don't know what models or every model. I know this person was talking about 1 model that they were working on right now. This person would not give up any other info.

Please do not even ask where this came from. You know the MOTHER COMPANY lurks on this site.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

I just come back from the US and I have heard that too ,  water cooled with a 2300cc motor and a new radio.
We will see next month !!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mrmagloo on July 17, 2013, 12:08:41 PM
I just come back from the US and I have heard that too ,  water cooled with a 2300cc motor and a new radio.
We will see next month !!!!!

Forget a new ground up liquid motor.  They are simply plumbing the existing V-Twin for water, and using lower fairing mounted radiators.  That alone confirms it's a touring model that normally has lowers, but I was unable to confirm whether it was a CVO or a standard model.  I'd guess it won't be a CVO, but what do I know.


Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on July 17, 2013, 03:11:14 PM
Another thing is if a CVO Ultra is now 36k retail what's a water hog going to be 40k, getting to the point of this is too much to pay for 2 wheels. I had a hard enough time swallowing the money on my new UCA

My dealer also told me with all the major changes in store, get ready to pay more for a 2014 CVO Ultra... In Canada the 13's MSRP is currently at $42,700.  I suspect from the way my dealer is talking if I want a '14 SEUC the price will be north of $48k.  Ouch!  Oh yeah, then add taxes etc.

Heck my first house was way less than that, and as everyone knows a house appreciates in value!!!

Boy, do I ever love my '08 Duracell.   :)  Runs great and still looks amazing.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: DCFIREMANN on July 17, 2013, 09:39:12 PM
Forget a new ground up liquid motor.  They are simply plumbing the existing V-Twin for water, and using lower fairing mounted radiators.  That alone confirms it's a touring model that normally has lowers, but I was unable to confirm whether it was a CVO or a standard model.  I'd guess it won't be a CVO, but what do I know.




The twin cam motor has water jackets in it. So I would think we will see the same motor. I did hear about fairing mounted radiators also. I placed a call to my friend but I have not received a call back. I really want to dig a little deeper. I'm more interested in hearing about the problems. I know he will not give up any CVO info or at least I don't think he will.

Be Safe

THE DAWG
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on July 17, 2013, 10:10:20 PM
T-minus 33 days till we know for sure.   :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVO2012 on July 19, 2013, 06:21:06 AM
I hope that they will bring back the CVO SG as it was a great success world wide
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on July 22, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
Anyone know the date and location for the upcoming Dealer meeting???
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SciFiGuy on July 22, 2013, 03:10:35 PM
Anyone know the date and location for the upcoming Dealer meeting???

Harley-Davidson Dealer Meeting

August 19-21, 2013
Denver, CO – Colorado Convention Center
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: StreetDog on July 31, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
   Anything filed with CARB yet? Something stranger going to be this late in the year and no reports out yet. Anybody got any spy shots of the 2014 bikes. Seems like every year in the past we hear something around June.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: willyB on July 31, 2013, 05:35:27 PM
Hmmmmmm, a touring vrod?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on July 31, 2013, 08:18:53 PM
   Anything filed with CARB yet?

It's easy to go look:

http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2014/2014.php
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on July 31, 2013, 10:40:12 PM
I heard that this is Harley's new ad campaign:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 01, 2013, 07:18:37 AM
I heard that this is Harley's new ad campaign:

Now that's funny.  :2vrolijk_21:


However, the first thing that came to mind was George Constanza's line. "the sea was angry that day, my friend".  ;D

Less than 20 days now before we know for sure.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: VaEagle on August 01, 2013, 09:01:18 AM
Maybe a water cooled CVO called a Gargling Eagle!    :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mrmagloo on August 01, 2013, 03:45:26 PM
Maybe a water cooled CVO called a Gargling Eagle!    :huepfenlol2:
I was thinking Osprey, but Gargling Eagle works for me.   :pineapple:   (God I love that pineapple guy!)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fast FLHX on August 04, 2013, 12:24:48 AM
Buy a new Indian Chieftan.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 04, 2013, 12:04:21 PM
X2!! I just got off the Indian website and the bike looks very impressive and is very well priced. It looks like it is a seriously contender that may become my next bike.       

Very impressive bikes...adjustable windshield, real leather seats, one hole lubricant, wind tunnel tested fairing, 5 year unlimited mileage Warranty/ESP, Integrated Bluetooth, digital display, cruise control, cast aluminum frame, Elite Tires, ABS....are you watching, MOCO?

Some serious competition, IMO.


Am I reading the specs correctly?  It lists the drive ratios for all six gears, then a final drive ratio, so is this a 7 speed tranny?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mrmagloo on August 04, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
I would HIGHLY recommend anyone thinking about an Indian to drive one first.  I have an Indian fantic for a friend who dragged me to Milwaukee to do these demo rides a couple of years back. Imho, the thing was a rattling, cheap feeling piece of junk. Looked great, but everytime you gave it gas, the trans clunked, if you got it over 3000 rpm, you couldn't see out of the mirrors, and everything make it's own frequency of rattling metals.  Thinking I got a beat up lemon, we swapped bikes at the 1/2 way point, and the other one was just as bad.

Don't get me wrong, they are gorgeous bikes, but I just could wait to get back on my Harley.  This was right before the buyout, so I sure hope the've made some big improvements.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 04, 2013, 12:12:18 PM
I would HIGHLY recommend anyone thinking about an Indian to drive one first.  I have an Indian fantic for a friend who dragged me to Milwaukee to do these demo rides a couple of years back. Imho, the thing was a rattling, cheap feeling piece of junk. Looked great, but everytime you gave it gas, the trans clunked, if you got it over 3000 rpm, you couldn't see out of the mirrors, and everything make it's own frequency of rattling metals.  Thinking I got a beat up lemon, we swapped bikes at the 1/2 way point, and the other one was just as bad.

Don't get me wrong, they are gorgeous bikes, but I just could wait to get back on my Harley.  This was right before the buyout, so I sure hope the've made some big improvements.

This is not the same bike you rode two years ago.  Completely redesigned by Polaris.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: grc on August 04, 2013, 12:20:40 PM
...............................................
Am I reading the specs correctly?  It lists the drive ratios for all six gears, then a final drive ratio, so is this a 7 speed tranny?

Nope, just a six speed (six is more than enough IMHO).  The ratios they list for one through six are overall ratios that include the primary ratio, the actual trans ratio, and the final drive ratio.  Then they give the final drive (trans output shaft to rear axle) ratio separately.

Jerry
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 04, 2013, 12:23:06 PM
Nope, just a six speed (six is more than enough IMHO).  The ratios they list for one through six are overall ratios that include the primary ratio, the actual trans ratio, and the final drive ratio.  Then they give the final drive (trans output shaft to rear axle) ratio separately.

Jerry

Thanks for the clarity, Jerry.  I agree, six speeds is gracious plenty on a bike.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 04, 2013, 01:04:19 PM
Very impressive bikes...adjustable windshield, real leather seats, one hole lubricant, wind tunnel tested fairing, 5 year unlimited mileage Warranty/ESP, Integrated Bluetooth, digital display, cruise control, cast aluminum frame, Elite Tires, ABS....are you watching, MOCO?

Some serious competition, IMO.

Am I reading the specs correctly?  It lists the drive ratios for all six gears, then a final drive ratio, so is this a 7 speed tranny?
Yeah, but I did not see lowers or a tour pak.  For my kind of two up long distance riding those are a must.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 04, 2013, 01:32:38 PM
Yeah, but I did not see lowers or a tour pak.  For my kind of two up long distance riding those are a must.

Probably just a matter of time, Jerry.  They do list a set of lower "deflectors" for the bikes, but no photos as yet to see what they actually are.  And somebody will come out with at least some soft lowers.  But, I'd bet that they will have a set of actual lowers in the near future.  A TP might be a bit longer in the making, as the design is going to have to be carefully thought out to avoid the look of an "add on" instead of an integrated component.  Meanwhile, they do offer a nice looking detachable backrest/luggage rack, so one could at least put a good sized Tbag or similar.  But, I hear you on the TP...for the kind of riding you and your wife do, the comfort of the TP is pretty much a necessity, not to mention the added storage capacity and ease of access.

Give it a couple of years, and I think we'll see a few additional features being added. Perhaps a "limited edition" that would be CVO'ish.  But, it's a really good first edition, and from what I'm reading, they did some pretty extensive real life testing instead of letting the buyer be the beta tester like the MOCO seems so fond of doing.

Competition is good, and I think these bikes will be something HD riders take a hard look at.  Whatever one's opinion is of Polaris, they have deep pockets and have put a lot of effort in making this venture a success...I don't think they're going to have a hard time establishing a niche in the marketplace with these bikes, and may eventually start eating the MOCO's lunch and forcing changes in HD's marketing philosophy of "Let 'em eat cake"...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on August 04, 2013, 02:08:46 PM
Indian, schmindian... HD4life  :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on August 04, 2013, 04:05:58 PM
Indian, schmindian... HD4life  :coolblue:
Better get the ESP............ :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 04, 2013, 04:09:10 PM
Better get the ESP............ :huepfenlol2:
:oops: Good one. :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mrmagloo on August 04, 2013, 04:32:15 PM
This is not the same bike you rode two years ago.  Completely redesigned by Polaris.

Yeah, well I'll be the judge of that when he drags me to the next demo.  I'll take way more than a wink and a press release to fix that mess.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 04, 2013, 04:55:20 PM
Yeah, well I'll be the judge of that when he drags me to the next demo.  I'll take way more than a wink and a press release to fix that mess.

Well, with a completely different seat height, wheelbase, engine configuration and design (no primary, parallel pushrod tubes, 49 degree V, just to mention a few), totally different frame, 100 million spent in R&D over the past two years, and a price tag that is more than $10,000 LESS than the version attempted by Stellican, LTD in 2010, I would say it's 100% certain that it's not the same bike you rode.  100 Million buys more than a wink and a press release...the only commonality to the previous attempt is in a few key styling characteristics.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: grc on August 04, 2013, 05:15:43 PM
Better get the ESP............ :huepfenlol2:

And a chase truck might not be a bad idea either.

Jerry ;)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mrmagloo on August 05, 2013, 12:33:20 PM
Well, with a completely different seat height, wheelbase, engine configuration and design (no primary, parallel pushrod tubes, 49 degree V, just to mention a few), totally different frame, 100 million spent in R&D over the past two years, and a price tag that is more than $10,000 LESS than the version attempted by Stellican, LTD in 2010, I would say it's 100% certain that it's not the same bike you rode.  100 Million buys more than a wink and a press release...the only commonality to the previous attempt is in a few key styling characteristics.

Don't get me wrong - A strong competitor will help us all, even if we remain loyal to Harley.  I sure wouldn't mind a 5 year warranty and more competitive pricing, as a start.  However, the proof is in the pudding and I am actually looking forward to demo'ing the new ones. Imho, the fairing is a bit fugly, and where's the tourpak, but overall not bad for a first shot.  I sure hope it's as good as it looks, and isn't just a Victory with Indian fenders.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: StreetDog on August 05, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
 I'll keep my Harley "for now" (even thou HD has really cheeped out on some vitally parts and quality has remained way down), but I plan on buying a new Indian for my next bike next spring. I'll have them both and will be able to really compare the two. And let's see from there which one has the better quality. After all, quality is what I expect and am willing to pay for, not cheeped out craftsmanship! Some people ride their bikes every day and expect them to hold up for the kind of money you pay. Quality, quality, quality and craftsmanship..........are you listening MOCO!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Billy on August 05, 2013, 05:18:56 PM
Are all 3 Indians new with new frames?Billy
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: kraut on August 06, 2013, 05:55:01 AM
reviews are going to come in today and tomorrow (http://cyrilhuzeblog.com/2013/08/05/flash-news-from-sturgis/#more-124643) :-)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 06, 2013, 11:13:14 AM
Are all 3 Indians new with new frames?Billy

Yes, though the same frame is common to all three bikes, I would assume.  The monoshock is a good design concept, not to be confused with HD's soft tail design.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JETCVO on August 07, 2013, 03:48:05 PM
My dealer also told me with all the major changes in store, get ready to pay more for a 2014 CVO Ultra... In Canada the 13's MSRP is currently at $42,700.  I suspect from the way my dealer is talking if I want a '14 SEUC the price will be north of $48k.  Ouch!  Oh yeah, then add taxes etc.

Heck my first house was way less than that, and as everyone knows a house appreciates in value!!!

Boy, do I ever love my '08 Duracell.   :)  Runs great and still looks amazing.
What he said!  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Dr.D on August 08, 2013, 04:52:32 PM
These prices are getting pretty high. If I told my 86 y/o father I was buying a $40'000.000 motorcycle he'd stroke out. I just don't get it? If you have a nice post 09 frame bike and it looks and runs good why would you trade for a new one at that price? Color? What about the CVO bike core has really changed in the last few years? And I don't mean trinkets, bells and whistles that they all try to pass off as big deals. Forgive me is I sound cynical and take me to school if I need it.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Eccool on August 08, 2013, 06:04:59 PM
My dealer also told me with all the major changes in store, get ready to pay more for a 2014 CVO Ultra... In Canada the 13's MSRP is currently at $42,700.  I suspect from the way my dealer is talking if I want a '14 SEUC the price will be north of $48k.  Ouch!  Oh yeah, then add taxes etc.

Heck my first house was way less than that, and as everyone knows a house appreciates in value!!!

Boy, do I ever love my '08 Duracell.   :)  Runs great and still looks amazing.

I believe that with few exceptions, dealers rarely know more about new models than we do.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 08, 2013, 08:41:32 PM
I believe that with few exceptions, dealers rarely know more about new models than we do.

AMEN! I have taught lots of things to H-D salespeople... the ones who even care to learn, that is. They are often nearly-completely ignorant about the bikes they sell, and they really are only taught how to persuade and complete contracts.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 09, 2013, 02:26:16 PM
I just received a email from my dealer here in Jacksonville presenting the 2014 models on 8/31.

My guess is that we will see the trucks moving south from York while the Colorado dealer meeting is in progress. So some of us just may have their new rides in their garages over the Labor Day weekend.

Regards

Jerry
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 09, 2013, 04:05:12 PM
 I sure hope to have mine so I can put some miles on it before the snow comes here.

 :apple:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 09, 2013, 05:12:29 PM
I just received a email from my dealer  here in Jacksonville presenting the 2014 models  on 8/31.

My guess is that we will see the trucks moving south from York while the Colorado dealer meeting is in progress. So some of us just may have their new rides in their garages over the Labor Day weekend.

Regards

Jerry

Well, what do you have to say for yourself young lad?
 ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 10, 2013, 09:44:53 AM
Well, what do you have to say for yourself young lad?
 ;D



Is summer over up there yet?  We will at least experience some good  fall riding weather. 


Regards
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 10, 2013, 11:00:31 AM

Is summer over up there yet?  We will at least experience some good  fall riding weather. 


Regards

Actually we're enjoying a fantastic summer and looking forward to a beautiful September & October.  Fortunately we haven't had all the rain that the mid-States are experiencing, even though we just arrived back from a wonderful 2 week trip to Memphis, Nashville and Cleveland (kind of a musical tour) and only got wet for a total of 10 minutes!  From the reports we've been seeing, we were extremely lucky, and hopefully our fellow members on this site from that area are staying dry.

Our fall is tremendous for riding with all these maple trees turning glorious colours.  You should check it out sometime because as far as I know palm trees don't change, so you're really missing out.  Enjoy your riding season that never ends!!!

Take care & ride safe,
Grizzly
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Chains on August 10, 2013, 01:08:35 PM
i heard cvo models will come with a Keurig coffee maker that fits in the saddle bag and powers via usb cable
and there a "K" lite on dash to til ya when ready

Would not doubt it, we used to make them here in Alabama then Keurig decided to save money and move them to Chia.  Fits right in will the Harley thinking on outsourcing.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 10, 2013, 01:19:45 PM
Is this a genuine question or is it meant to be humorous?    

I obviously saw the humour in it.  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 10, 2013, 09:12:27 PM
Would not doubt it, we used to make them here in Alabama then Keurig decided to save money and move them to Chia.  Fits right in will the Harley thinking on outsourcing.

I need a K-cup brewer... but right on the handlebars...

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: davidw221 on August 11, 2013, 06:22:29 AM
The guys returning from Sturgis, said the two changes in the 2014 Harley's were a touch screen for the radio, and the price!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 11, 2013, 08:38:30 AM
The guys returning from Sturgis, said the two changes in the 2014 Harley's were a touch screen for the radio, and the price!

Did they happen to mention what their magical source of this information is, or just more rumor mill?  Since we have seen the touch screen mentioned a few times now, I'm curious about the thoughts on that idea.  First, I know how difficult it is to see the screen on the current radio, especially with sunglasses on or with the sun shining on it.  Second, in order for it to be glove-friendly, it has to be a screen with a little flexibility like the screen on the Garmin.  That means that it has to give a little to activate the sensors behind the screen.  From my past experience with Garmin, over time, the sun does get to the screen and eventually you are pushing harder and harder, until finally you need to get a new screen.  Third, it sounds a little dangerous trying to hit the right spot on a touchscreen, especially with gloves on.  These are just some immediate thoughts that come to mind without actually seeing what might be the reality of it.  On the other hand, I might see it and say to myself, "wow, this is great...I wish they would have done this a long time ago".

One other thing while talking about the new models.  Doesn't anybody find it to be a bit strange that the CA ARB reports have no mention of Harley at all yet at this late date, approaching release.  Is it possible that Harley has asked them to keep the reports hush hush?  Who would that really hurt if they didn't show the Harley info until the last minute on their website...other than us, of course?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 11, 2013, 10:26:24 AM
Did they happen to mention what their magical source of this information is, or just more rumor mill?  Since we have seen the touch screen mentioned a few times now, I'm curious about the thoughts on that idea.  First, I know how difficult it is to see the screen on the current radio, especially with sunglasses on or with the sun shining on it.  Second, in order for it to be glove-friendly, it has to be a screen with a little flexibility like the screen on the Garmin.  That means that it has to give a little to activate the sensors behind the screen.  From my past experience with Garmin, over time, the sun does get to the screen and eventually you are pushing harder and harder, until finally you need to get a new screen.  Third, it sounds a little dangerous trying to hit the right spot on a touchscreen, especially with gloves on.  These are just some immediate thoughts that come to mind without actually seeing what might be the reality of it.  On the other hand, I might see it and say to myself, "wow, this is great...I wish they would have done this a long time ago".

One other thing while talking about the new models.  Doesn't anybody find it to be a bit strange that the CA ARB reports have no mention of Harley at all yet at this late date, approaching release.  Is it possible that Harley has asked them to keep the reports hush hush?  Who would that really hurt if they didn't show the Harley info until the last minute on their website...other than us, of course?

The Indian display in the Chieftain will not be a touch display, but controlled by hand controls. Maybe Harley will do something like that if they come out with an LCD display in the dash. That would make more sense than a touch screen display.

It is odd that there is no info from Harley on the 2014 CARB site yet. I don't think CARB gives a rip about helping Harley or anyone else keep any secrets, tho. They are a relentless state government agency that really only cares about their rules.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Billy on August 11, 2013, 10:43:19 AM
Maybe there are no new engines to test      Billy
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 11, 2013, 11:29:02 AM
The Indian display in the Chieftain will not be a touch display, but controlled by hand controls. Maybe Harley will do something like that if they come out with an LCD display in the dash. That would make more sense than a touch screen display.

It is odd that there is no info from Harley on the 2014 CARB site yet. I don't think CARB gives a rip about helping Harley or anyone else keep any secrets, tho. They are a relentless state government agency that really only cares about their rules.

Ken

I agree... IMO it would be a liability for them not to have some way for the rider to control the radio w/o removing hands from handlebars. Regarding the CARB reports what constitutes a company having to send in a report?

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 11, 2013, 11:37:03 AM
Just on my way back from Sturgis where we demo rode all three Indians.  They are smooth and really powerful, no clunking when shifting either .  Beautiful bikes at least in my opinion. ( I highly recommend a test ride) There are not many options and the Dealer network has not developed yet.  Wonder if the HD executives wish they would have bought Indian a few years back??? 

This could be the best thing to happen to HD consumers.....just sayin 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 11, 2013, 12:40:09 PM
Maybe there are no new engines to test      Billy


Ding, ding, ding...I think we have a winner!! ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVO2012 on August 11, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
I would love to see SG CVO back to production
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: napalm on August 11, 2013, 06:04:13 PM
One week left and we will know it all & be experts on the HD 2014s...

napalm
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 11, 2013, 06:10:58 PM
And I will know what bike I bought  :drink:  And finally place an order for all the stuff I will replace on it :cucumber:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 11, 2013, 06:15:39 PM
And I will know what bike I bought  :drink:  And finally place an order for all the stuff I will replace on it :cucumber:
I ordered a 2014 CVO UC and I really don't want liquid cooled so I hope the rumors are wrong
:nervous:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 11, 2013, 06:28:24 PM
:nervous:

 It will be air cooled............I hope
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 11, 2013, 06:34:50 PM
It will be air cooled............I hope
Time will tell. :nervous:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 11, 2013, 10:45:10 PM
Me too if Indian can make a 111 air cooled  I would hope to H ... HD can
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 12, 2013, 08:53:43 AM

Ding, ding, ding...I think we have a winner!! ;D

The 103 and 110 have been out a few years, yet CARB had all bike and engine combos on their site for the 13's and the 12's and the 11's.... no new engines those years
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 12, 2013, 10:16:32 AM
The 103 and 110 have been out a few years, yet CARB had all bike and engine combos on their site for the 13's and the 12's and the 11's.... no new engines those years

At least in the past it's been new models and not just new engines that had to be certified.  Also existing models with environmental control systems changes.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: E-Skunk on August 12, 2013, 04:29:17 PM
They show them to the dealers on August 19th at the dealer show so they should be on the Internet then.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Zinister on August 12, 2013, 10:04:06 PM
INteresting to also note that the new Indians aren't on there either.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: redbeard719 on August 13, 2013, 10:05:30 AM
I received an email from Mile High Harley Davidson yesterday, inviting me to RSVP to attend a special unveiling party August 19. 

I'm sure with the dealership convention/meetings in Denver, Mile High has a hand in all this and hosting the Moco execs.

I've attached a screen cap of the email....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 17, 2013, 07:50:03 AM
 :cucumber:
Think I will buy an Indian!!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 17, 2013, 07:52:17 AM
Indians are now on line and looking good. I like the super nice leather they use
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Chief2505 on August 17, 2013, 09:06:59 AM
Local dealer posted this on their facebook page






Reiman's Harley-Davidson



Plan your weekend accordingly !! Be one of the first riders to get a peek at the 14's! Here is when you can take a look.....

 ~~~~~~Today ! Saturday, August 17th~~~~~~

 UFC Ultimate insider on Fuel TV – (2) spots between 3:30 p.m. and 4:30 p.m. CDT

 UFC Preliminary bouts and Main event on FoxSports1 – (6) spots between 5 p.m. and 9 p.m. CDT

 FoxSports Live – (2) spots between 10 p.m. and 1 a.m. CDT Sunday, August 18

 FoxSports Live – (4) spots throughout the day

Like ·  · Share · 1 · 45 minutes ago near Spring Hill, TN ·
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 17, 2013, 10:45:40 AM
Local dealer said the owners will see them "officially" Sunday night August 18th and the HD website should have them up around 10 PM eastern time that night.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Cat Eye on August 17, 2013, 07:21:28 PM
I'll tell you what....HD better do something....Indian is on the war path.

At Sturgis, Indian had a great showing with lots of excitment about their new motor and they just look cool.  Harley didn't create any excitment....same old same old.

If Indian is able to develop a desent dealer network......I would get one.(I would save a lot of money on T-shirts)

Man up Harley...I still love you...but every time I look at the Indian....I take pause a little longer.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LC110 on August 17, 2013, 09:03:49 PM
New Radio, New Rushmore fairing?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on August 17, 2013, 09:13:19 PM
I'll tell you what....HD better do something....Indian is on the war path.

At Sturgis, Indian had a great showing with lots of excitment about their new motor and they just look cool.  Harley didn't create any excitment....same old same old.

If Indian is able to develop a desent dealer network......I would get one.(I would save a lot of money on T-shirts)

Man up Harley...I still love you...but every time I look at the Indian....I take pause a little longer.
I have no idea what you are talking about, I glanced at the ugly Indian thought to myself, poor thing, and strolled right by with a little chuckle. I found nothing remotely interesting, just another Victory trying to be a Harley IMO  :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SBB on August 17, 2013, 09:27:15 PM


The things people say.
People just amaze me.
Kind of sad also.

SBB
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 17, 2013, 09:41:42 PM
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/08/16/manufacturers/harley-davidson/carb-reveals-2014-harley-davidson-models-including-some-cool-surprises/ (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/08/16/manufacturers/harley-davidson/carb-reveals-2014-harley-davidson-models-including-some-cool-surprises/)  From what this article says, the CARB reports show lower emissions in 2 models with the same displacement as other models...as a possible indication of water cooling in 2 bikes.  Read the article and check the CARB reports.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 17, 2013, 09:53:27 PM
It sure is interesting to see that the CVO Ultra Limited, Ultra Limited, and Shriner Limited had a separate rating sheet from all of the other bikes, even with the same size engine, and had different and much lower emissions ratings.  Could it be that we have a new engine fluid to monitor?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on August 17, 2013, 10:36:33 PM

The things people say.
People just amaze me.
Kind of sad also.

SBB

Hugs brother, hugs...  :beerchug:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: chiefs584ever on August 18, 2013, 09:59:54 AM
http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/08/16/manufacturers/harley-davidson/carb-reveals-2014-harley-davidson-models-including-some-cool-surprises/ (http://blog.motorcycle.com/2013/08/16/manufacturers/harley-davidson/carb-reveals-2014-harley-davidson-models-including-some-cool-surprises/)  From what this article says, the CARB reports show lower emissions in 2 models with the same displacement as other models...as a possible indication of water cooling in 2 bikes.  Read the article and check the CARB reports.

Those emissions numbers are low.  What are the chances of a CVO Limited HYBRID?  That would blow everyone out of the water.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: redbeard719 on August 18, 2013, 11:04:58 AM
Seeing the gauge layout from the Facebook posting, and knowing its called Project Rushmore...I bet HD is calling it that because the gauges are all side by side, just like Rushmore's faces.

Based on the CARB filings, I don't expect anything new performance-wise, but more about gadgets. A new fancy radio, LEDs stock in more models, etc.  The inner fairing and it's supports will be the only changes.  Then, we'll see a rush of owners with the older style replacing it with the new inner, upgrading radios, etc....basically, retrofitting the new to old.

And then, MOCO will sell it as an upgrade kit, in primer only, at an inflated cost to us all!  Just like saddlebag speaker lids, speakers in lowers, etc!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on August 18, 2013, 12:51:59 PM


Yes, many of us including myself have been and still are diehard HD loyalists. But that line of loyalty is getting thinner and thinner with each HD  increase and each reliability issue that continues to dog the MOCO.         
Hopefully MOCO will at some point start returning the loyalty along with the dealers. Some dealers in my area are making warranty work a 8wk wait to push customers to other dealers so they can make the easy money. Go figure make something that breaks and then don't wanna back up your customers. :soapbox:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: b407driver on August 18, 2013, 07:58:48 PM
On the CARB documents, note the different engine families.....on the certification for the CVO Limited, Ultra Limited and Shrine edition, the emissions are low and the engine family is EHDXC1.80AEF. On the FLHX, Ultra Classic, Road King, etc., the engine family is EXDXC1.80AED. Interesting....I guess we'll know in a few hours.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on August 18, 2013, 08:27:53 PM
A lot of riders including myself are excited about the new Indian. Polaris has shown Victory to be a very reliable brand and it is expected that the new Indians will be every bit as reliable. And I believe that Victory or Indian have ever wanted to be Harley clones. The new Indians will likely take sales away from HD at least until HD can equal the quality of Victory, Honda, Yamaha, BMW, etc.

Yes, many of us including myself have been and still are diehard HD loyalists. But that line of loyalty is getting thinner and thinner with each HD price increase and each reliability issue that continues to dog the MOCO.         
No biggy you like what you like ya know? I personally just think all Victorys bikes, including the Indian, are Harley ripoffs. The bikes are just their version of a certain bike that Harley makes, only much less desirable TO ME. I just don't see it. Take the cross country for example, just a wannabe SG but less appealing. Again, all my opinions, feelings on it. I love my Harley and nothing that Victory/Indian has done has grabbed my attention just looks like more of the same to me.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: wolverine on August 18, 2013, 08:30:43 PM
I wonder with that big radio display if they come with built in GPS? Or if that is a option you can buy like a Goldwing has? 
  I guess we will find out tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jeffj on August 18, 2013, 08:34:54 PM
Liquid Cooled CVO and Trikes
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SMSgt B on August 18, 2013, 08:49:35 PM
I wonder with that big radio display if they come with built in GPS? Or if that is a option you can buy like a Goldwing has? 
  I guess we will find out tomorrow.

From the dealers meeting:  Built in GPS. Connect with Bluetooth. voice recognition for sound, phone, nav.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Road_Glider on August 18, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
3 liquid cooled bikes.  CVO Ultra limited 110, Triglide 103 and Ultra limited 103. 
Killer new touch screen stereo GPS with blue tooth. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on August 18, 2013, 09:18:25 PM
new bikes
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on August 18, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
new bikes
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JDOFLHRIDER on August 18, 2013, 09:23:42 PM
https://www.facebook.com/adventurehd    has more pictures
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 09:42:26 PM


Nice latch on that blue tour pack.

SBB
Title: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 93-331-29psi on August 18, 2013, 09:52:58 PM
I think water is upon us for a few models. I spy radiators in lowers on the CVO ultra.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e134/93-331-29PSI/208A11BB-D681-4658-87F7-9B0BCD8A3307-3354-0000014896B2EB64_zpse7435d3d.jpg)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 18, 2013, 09:53:20 PM
From looking at the above and the bikes posted on Adventure Harley's Facebook page, it looks like a single bigger latch to open the tourpak, the lowers don't have the same doors anymore, the inner fairing is a huge change, looks like some stock LED headlamps, and there's something very suspicious looking about those lower fairings.  From the photo of the Triglide, it looks more like radiators than vents. I like the inner fairing, by the way.  That blue CVO Ultra looks too much like the 2011.5 model.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 18, 2013, 09:55:35 PM
I think water is upon us for a few models. I spy radiators in lowers on the CVO ultra.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e134/93-331-29PSI/208A11BB-D681-4658-87F7-9B0BCD8A3307-3354-0000014896B2EB64_zpse7435d3d.jpg)
Should be fun cleaning the bugs out of that  :-X
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 18, 2013, 10:01:02 PM
 
Thing sure as hell better run cool.  Don't see a guy's legs getting any wind behind THAT.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: DTR on August 18, 2013, 10:02:20 PM
Any info on the Breakout???   :o :) :) :)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: chiefs584ever on August 18, 2013, 10:03:25 PM
Definite radiators on the tri-glide
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: chiefs584ever on August 18, 2013, 10:10:53 PM
Definite radiators on the tri-glide


Confirmed water cooling on the CVO Ultra as well
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 18, 2013, 10:17:07 PM
I guess I was posting while that pic was being posted.  It looks like one of the things that was mentioned a last year has been dealt with.  It looks like the radiator vents right back out the front, so we won't have the heat passing through to our legs.  That is going to be a real mess to clean.  
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: O4SEGlide on August 18, 2013, 10:19:49 PM
Water cooling .... so why does the bike still have the leg protector shields?? Will be interesting to find out just how much cooler they will run.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sidecar Dan on August 18, 2013, 10:27:04 PM
Do the bag lids and latches look different on the hardbags too?  The front of the bag looks less "flat" i.e. higher in the front? 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on August 18, 2013, 10:27:26 PM
Water cooling .... so why does the bike still have the leg protector shields?? Will be interesting to find out just how much cooler they will run.
Great observation.  ;) spyder
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sidecar Dan on August 18, 2013, 10:30:01 PM
Great observation.  ;) spyder

I agree.....looks like a better venting system....uglier...but not a radiator IMHO. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 18, 2013, 10:32:07 PM
Do the bag lids and latches look different on the hardbags too?  The front of the bag looks less "flat" i.e. higher in the front? 

I thought it looked like the lid was more rounded (like the Indian), and then I looked at the Street Glide and it looked normal, so I though maybe it was just the angle of the photo.  If they did round the top...switch it back...it looks stupid.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: RickDeVon on August 18, 2013, 10:34:46 PM
Those emissions numbers are low.  What are the chances of a CVO Limited HYBRID?  That would blow everyone out of the water.

Be careful of that...CanAm has one in the works for 14...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bigdave110 on August 18, 2013, 10:39:01 PM
Be careful of that...CanAm has one in the works for 14...

First look, I'm not a fan.
The lowers have me wondering how hot things will be on those 90 plus days.

I sort of like the new dash at first glance.
Want to see in person for a final call. lol
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sidecar Dan on August 18, 2013, 10:40:40 PM
I thought it looked like the lid was more rounded (like the Indian), and then I looked at the Street Glide and it looked normal, so I though maybe it was just the angle of the photo.  If they did round the top...switch it back...it looks stupid.

Look at this:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5a-Kjh_qUg/UXUjpQTZFXI/AAAAAAAADdw/kSVhW5V-lro/s640/2013-Harley-CVO-Road-Glide-.jpg
and This:https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1157692_10152487676320663_1481174045_n.jpg

Flip back and forth....it looks rounded to me.  
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bigdave110 on August 18, 2013, 10:42:49 PM
I agree, top of the bags look rounded.
Don't care for the square cut out around the round headlight.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bigdave110 on August 18, 2013, 10:46:54 PM
Dash
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ThunderBueller on August 18, 2013, 10:48:01 PM
Diagrams and clear pics of the cooling system and dash.

https://www.facebook.com/OaklandHarleyDavidson/photos_stream
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 18, 2013, 10:56:21 PM
Diagrams and clear pics of the cooling system and dash.

https://www.facebook.com/OaklandHarleyDavidson/photos_stream
An air vent at the top center of the outer fairing!  Guess they'll sell a stick on chrome trim ring for it, lol.   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 18, 2013, 10:58:11 PM
Diagrams and clear pics of the cooling system and dash.

https://www.facebook.com/OaklandHarleyDavidson/photos_stream

Good pics of the various models, too.  The tour-pak looks shorter!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 18, 2013, 10:59:35 PM
Look at this:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-E5a-Kjh_qUg/UXUjpQTZFXI/AAAAAAAADdw/kSVhW5V-lro/s640/2013-Harley-CVO-Road-Glide-.jpg
and This:https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1157692_10152487676320663_1481174045_n.jpg

Flip back and forth....it looks rounded to me.  

That's the pic I saw earlier that made them look rounded.  While I was looking at that, I noticed that the rear speaker pods are completely different and so is the passenger backrest.  
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on August 18, 2013, 11:00:09 PM
CVO Roadking looks like no lowers or sound system integrated in Bike... :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 11:02:11 PM
2014 CVO Ultra
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 11:02:56 PM

2014 CVO Ultra
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Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 11:06:01 PM

CVO RK
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Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 11:06:41 PM

CVO RK
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Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 11:07:12 PM


CVO Deluxe
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 18, 2013, 11:07:30 PM
Is that a vent coming out the side of the lower next to the glovebox???  Maybe that vent next to the radiator vents the entire way through.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 11:08:44 PM

CVO RK
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Post by: SBB on August 18, 2013, 11:10:06 PM

CVO Deluxe
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 18, 2013, 11:31:03 PM
There aren't any heat shields on the CVO Ultra anymore.  It almost looks like they put chrome calipers on there, but they're probably just painted a light silver color...can't tell from the photos.  After seeing what they did with the tourpak latch, I'm real curious to see the other side...did they change those freakin' hinges?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 19, 2013, 12:24:47 AM
Dash

What is that reflection on the windshield?  Are those vent holes in the top of the inner fairing?  What happens when you put windshield bags there or can you put a bag there?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: charles05663 on August 19, 2013, 12:37:08 AM
At least they did not have a Road Glide to butcher this year.

 :oops: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: King2013 on August 19, 2013, 12:42:39 AM
At least they did not have a Road Glide to butcher this year.

 :oops: :nixweiss:

+1
they killed the serk
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 19, 2013, 02:04:49 AM
At least they did not have a Road Glide to butcher this year.

 :oops: :nixweiss:

Undoubtedly, they ran out of ideas on how to fit that radio/GPS thing in one and that's what did it in. :-\
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 19, 2013, 02:36:58 AM
Undoubtedly, they ran out of ideas on how to fit that radio/GPS thing in one and that's what did it in. :-\


Unless Harley has screwed up a system that others have been using successfully for years (again) the linked brakes is a worthwhile change.  For 99.5% of us it's an improvement.  All the stylistic differences will meet the usual "love it" or "hate it" responses as everyone applies their own sense of taste.  The water cooling is about as minimal as they could do it and still apply a system.  The new forks, however, should be a general affirmative.  And, finally, sealed bearings in the neck!  Now when the dealers don't grease they'll finally actually be doing what they're supposed to.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 19, 2013, 06:09:17 AM
I agree, top of the bags look rounded.
Don't care for the square cut out around the round headlight.
I saw that too.  :smilie_daumenneg:


Been looking at the MoCo's site this morning. Can't find a damn thing about wet cooling. Just a few things about twin cooling. Anyone else find more info? Maybe the "twin cooling" is the air and the oil cooler they have. Dunno  :stars:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: psdj52 on August 19, 2013, 06:31:15 AM
I saw that too.  :smilie_daumenneg:


Been looking at the MoCo's site this morning. Can't find a damn thing about wet cooling. Just a few things about twin cooling. Anyone else find more info? Maybe the "twin cooling" is the air and the oil cooler they have. Dunno  :stars:

 You are exactly correct. It is air cooled and oil cooled.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on August 19, 2013, 06:36:19 AM
I thought twin cooling was air and water cooling  ...on the water cooled bikes it still has the cooling fins on heads and cylinders
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 19, 2013, 07:03:31 AM
I think if I could find a way to make the financial end of it work for me, I'd be willing to be a guinea pig and ride one of these new CVO Ultras. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 19, 2013, 08:03:51 AM
I have an Ultra on order. Will find out what color today. (I am grabbing the first one at my dealership)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 19, 2013, 08:42:26 AM
Unless Harley has screwed up a system that others have been using successfully for years (again) the linked brakes is a worthwhile change.  For 99.5% of us it's an improvement.  All the stylistic differences will meet the usual "love it" or "hate it" responses as everyone applies their own sense of taste.  The water cooling is about as minimal as they could do it and still apply a system.  The new forks, however, should be a general affirmative.  And, finally, sealed bearings in the neck!  Now when the dealers don't grease they'll finally actually be doing what they're supposed to.

 :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 08:47:30 AM
I think if I could find a way to make the financial end of it work for me, I'd be willing to be a guinea pig and ride one of these new CVO Ultras. 

I'd keep your '12... it's much prettier. And, it's ORANGE! Can't touch that...

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SERK3 on August 19, 2013, 09:09:19 AM
I don't see a thing to get excited about, I'll keep my 07 SERK another year  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 19, 2013, 09:15:34 AM
I thought twin cooling was air and water cooling  ...on the water cooled bikes it still has the cooling fins on heads and cylinders

Water.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/chrome-water-pump-cover

Does this make it the Hydrao-Glide?

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 19, 2013, 09:23:04 AM
Water.

http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/chrome-water-pump-cover

Does this make it the Hydrao-Glide?



The errors currently all over the factory website are amusing.  Obviously Mother Harley's web geeks are over-stressed or have absolutely zero content information about the products they are posting and have no editorial oversight by anyone that does.

The water pump cover has a picture of their new Baker competing over bloated over-sized oil pan.  Several other pieces on their site have the wrong pics attached right now.  So project Rushmore really was Rush More.  It's just that they rushed on the web design work too.  Guess if the errors have to start somewhere it's better they start on the web rather than on the road....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 09:39:45 AM
The errors currently all over the factory website are amusing.  Obviously Mother Harley's web geeks are over-stressed or no absolutely zero content information about the products they are posting and have no editorial oversight by anyone that does.

The water pump cover has a picture of their new Baker competing over bloated over-sized oil pan.  Several other pieces on their site have the wrong pics attached right now.  So project Rushmore really was Rush More.  It's just that they rushed on the web design work too.  Guess if the errors have to start somewhere it's better they start on the web rather than on the road....

SO... if I buy that part for $79... do I get that big pan???

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 19, 2013, 09:40:48 AM
The errors currently all over the factory website are amusing.  Obviously Mother Harley's web geeks are over-stressed or no absolutely zero content information about the products they are posting and have no editorial oversight by anyone that does.

The water pump cover has a picture of their new Baker competing over bloated over-sized oil pan.  Several other pieces on their site have the wrong pics attached right now.  So project Rushmore really was Rush More.  It's just that they rushed on the web design work too.  Guess if the errors have to start somewhere it's better they start on the web rather than on the road....

It's so early, I was too busy being confused by the lack of "chrome" on a chrome part to realize it was an oil pan.  I need a nap! :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sidecar Dan on August 19, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
So the Vents are just fancy plastic "ram" air intakes....From HD:  New Fairing Lowers
There’s no such thing as a minor irritation when you’re going to be experiencing it for tens of thousands of miles. The little things make a difference. Like the way the wind comes around your fairing lowers. We’ve got the new fairing lowers dialed in just right, thanks to more wind tunnel and real world riding tests than we’ve ever done before. They’re also vented so you can let some air through when the road gets hot. You’ll appreciate them more with each passing mile.

All the details for 2014 (well....most of them)  http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_US
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
It's so early, I was too busy being confused by the lack of "chrome" on a chrome part to realize it was an oil pan.  I need a nap! :nixweiss:

Apparently, YOU DO!!!  :vrolijk27:

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 19, 2013, 09:48:23 AM

So the Vents are just fancy plastic "ram" air intakes....



You're asking that like it's anything new for their function?  Only difference this year is they are (slightly) vented lowers that also hold a radiator.  That might be very special for the wind rushing up your pant leg....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on August 19, 2013, 10:04:59 AM

You're asking that like it's anything new for their function?  Only difference this year is they are (slightly) vented lowers that also hold a radiator.  That might be very special for the wind rushing up your pant leg....
On the cold weather rides maybe....... :-\.....  spyder
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bigdave110 on August 19, 2013, 10:09:40 AM
Got to say.
They did make a great deal of positive changes this year.
We all bitch they do not do enough every year, this time they stepped up.
There are things I like and do not care for.
I did have a new one on order till I herd about the cooling.
I then purchased a 2013 Anniversary only because I do not want to be the test pilot for this system.
In a year or so I would def pick one up, should have most of the bugs out of it by then one would hope.

Just my 2 cents.

Big Dave

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 19, 2013, 10:14:10 AM

In a year or so I would def pick one up, should have most of the bugs out of it by then one would hope.

Just my 2 cents.

Big Dave



Definitely.  Those 110s have been rock solid systems after their first couple of y.........     :oops:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bigdave110 on August 19, 2013, 10:19:28 AM
lol.  I hear ya.
Wishful thinking I guess.
 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 19, 2013, 10:32:04 AM
After viewing the new models (especially the Ultras) on the H-D website the first thing that came to mind was...

              Honda-Davidson

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 19, 2013, 11:08:57 AM
Although the CVO Deluxe looks pretty cool, I think they missed the mark on it.  :(

Should have gone with hard bags for a real custom look and with more useful room.  JMHO.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sidecar Dan on August 19, 2013, 11:12:10 AM
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1186286_10151754020916192_139740276_n.jpg

I guess the W/C means you loose your pockets! 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mark on August 19, 2013, 11:17:01 AM
The negative - Mail Slot in front of batwing...do you really need a vent in the fairing when going 70 mph? The mail slot ruins the look of the redesigned batwing....couldn't HD have at least made it color matched so it isn't so noticeable?  Looks like an after-market item.

Air cleaner is ugly...reminds me of the old AMF air cleaners.

Positive - Standard wheels look better on the non CVO touring bikes.  Better sound system, etc.  Linked braking.  Seems saddle bags and tour pack will be more user friendly with upgraded latches.

Undecided - Cooling system.  Lets see what, if any, problems emerge.  Would be hesitant to be a 2014 guinea pig...maybe in 2016.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sidecar Dan on August 19, 2013, 11:17:35 AM
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1186286_10151754020916192_139740276_n.jpg

I guess the W/C means you loose your pockets! 

From Louisville HD:  It's a dual cooling system. Still air-cooled but water cooled head. Like BMW started doing on the GS last year. No more exhaust port hot spotting. Less hot crotch on long rides. If riders want the old Harley riding experience, it's simple. Keep buying old Harleys.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sidecar Dan on August 19, 2013, 11:23:47 AM
The negative - Mail Slot in front of batwing...do you really need a vent in the fairing when going 70 mph? The mail slot ruins the look of the redesigned batwing....couldn't HD have at least made it color matched so it isn't so noticeable?  Looks like an after-market item..........




It looks like they are going for the "Madstad" style negative pressure vent to limit turbulence maybe from the video? 

From their website: 

"knocking on your head.

The science of cheating the wind just took a great leap forward thanks to Project RUSHMORE. Thousands of hours in the wind tunnel and countless real world miles led to the invention of the new Splitstream vent. It equalizes airflow to reduce head buffeting by 20 percent. Your love of being in the wind will only get stronger."

It's not "pretty"...but will it be that noticeable over the long haul?  Meh?  Does it work would be my question. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 11:36:44 AM
After viewing the new models (especially the Ultras) on the H-D website the first thing that came to mind was...

              Honda-Davidson



Which Honda does it remind you of?  I see no resemblance   :nixweiss:

I see a lot of ergonomic improvements: A LONG overdue radio upgrade; left handed cruise control button; looks like no more rocker switches on the lower inner; more room for the passenger; one handed saddlebag lid releases; one handed TP release (and they do say "new" hinges, so perhaps they finally got that done); looks like the lowers are better designed for improved air flow; one might not like the vented fairing, but I'll bet $100 that it's much better functionally (I'm certain they will sell a chrome surround for it, for only $69.95).  They still missed the boat on an adjustable windshield though.  The lower rear crash bars are also a nice touch for the passenger.

The new steering head might prove to be a good move; larger/stiffer front forks (though I'm not sure what, if anything they did to the actual springs/fluid/dampening); the water cooling around the exhaust valve, IF THEY GOT IT RIGHT, is bound to help with heat management; Improved lighting all around; improved air box?; linked ABS brakes (it's about friggin' time).

Potential problems for some buyers:  pretty damn high seat height, laden or not, though it sounds like they have done a "nose job" on the seat for the benefit of shorter riders.

Close ups of the paint job look interesting, and the subtle changes to the front fender look better, IMO.

All in all, my opinion is that they did some long overdue refinements.  I actually like the new saddlebag lids, and one handed opening will be a HUGE improvement.  But I bet you get the same crappy rear shocks, and one can only hope they made some kind of improvement on the front suspension components.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 19, 2013, 11:41:16 AM
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1186286_10151754020916192_139740276_n.jpg

I guess the W/C means you loose your pockets! 
Obvoiusly the right pocket...anyone know about the left?  Did they route it all to the right, or is there a tank on both sides?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 11:43:28 AM
I guess I was posting while that pic was being posted.  It looks like one of the things that was mentioned a last year has been dealt with.  It looks like the radiator vents right back out the front, so we won't have the heat passing through to our legs.  That is going to be a real mess to clean.  

Not even HD is stupid enough to vent the radiator air back to the front intake for the radiators.  Look at a side view of the lowers: note the vent on the outside of where they glove box used to be.  Looks to me like the hot air will be pushed out to the sides of the lowers.  It also mentions a "one touch" adjustable vent for rider comfort on the lowers, so obviously there are two venting systems on the lowers...one for the radiator and one to get more/less air to the rider/engine fins.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 11:48:36 AM
Obvoiusly the right pocket...anyone know about the left?  Did they route it all to the right, or is there a tank on both sides?

There's a radiator in each lower.

There are increases in the size of the bags and the TP, according to what I'm reading, so that may be due to not having any glove boxes any longer.

They actually did a pretty good job with the radiators and venting from a form point of view...how they, and the rest of the water system function remains to be seen.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: woode on August 19, 2013, 12:07:44 PM
On the Limited/Ultra:  I may have missed it in previous posts, but it appears as if all navigation options are gone - built in and/or Zumo.  Good to see the comfort improvements for passengers, standard LEDs, ventilation improvements.  Hate the new colors - red is not tooo bad.  Just curious... since they don't call this an Ultra, will it be considered a new model, or will it be designated a FLHTCUSE9?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: naitram on August 19, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
FLHTKSE

nav is built in to the new head unit
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 19, 2013, 12:13:00 PM
If anyone has live photos from the dealer meeting etc it would sure be nice to post them so we can actually see the colors live

thanks
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 12:15:12 PM
On the Limited/Ultra:  I may have missed it in previous posts, but it appears as if all navigation options are gone - built in and/or Zumo.  Good to see the comfort improvements for passengers, standard LEDs, ventilation improvements.  Hate the new colors - red is not tooo bad.  Just curious... since they don't call this an Ultra, will it be considered a new model, or will it be designated a FLHTCUSE9?

NAV is built into the new radio, much like many cars now.  How well it FUNCTIONS, compared to a Garmin, is another question.  I have a LARGE display in my cage, with build in NAV, and I've been in other vehicles with similar systems, and they are NOT the same as a Garmin.

Another upside to the new radio is SIRIUSXM...no more of having to have one subscription for the cage and one for the bike.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: TinSpinner on August 19, 2013, 12:22:55 PM
Overall I am impressed with the new CVO Limited from a style/form standpoint, time will tell if function follows. It is also impressive that they were able to add the components for cooling and the overall running weight increase was only 10 pounds or so over 2013 SEUC. Not wild about the colors but I'm not in the market for a while anyway. Anxious to see one and hear the reviews though.

Was also surprised at the affordability of the Deluxe. If I were to add another bike I would definitely consider one of those. Classic, nostalgic styling but I like laced spokes on a bike like that more than the chrome wheels but that's just me.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on August 19, 2013, 12:59:45 PM
NAV is built into the new radio, much like many cars now.  How well it FUNCTIONS, compared to a Garmin, is another question.  I have a LARGE display in my cage, with build in NAV, and I've been in other vehicles with similar systems, and they are NOT the same as a Garmin.

Another upside to the new radio is SIRIUSXM...no more of having to have one subscription for the cage and one for the bike.
Why wouldn't you have to add this bike's as a subscription add'l. to your car?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 01:23:02 PM
Why wouldn't you have to add this bike's as a subscription add'l. to your car?

You would, Spyd, but where before you had to have a subscription for XM on the bike, and most cars now come with SiriusXM, and even though the two companies merged a few years ago, XM and SiriusXM are not the same animal with regards to subscriptions.  So, you got no combined subscription discount...now you will.   :2vrolijk_21:

Pure XM will eventually fade away...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on August 19, 2013, 01:37:50 PM
You would, Spyd, but where before you had to have a subscription for XM on the bike, and most cars now come with SiriusXM, and even though the two companies merged a few years ago, XM and SiriusXM are not the same animal with regards to subscriptions.  So, you got no combined subscription discount...now you will.   :2vrolijk_21:

Pure XM will eventually fade away...
I didn't realize the subscriptions didn't co-exist......guess it's because I bought the lifetime subscriptions.  :-\ spyder
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on August 19, 2013, 01:59:29 PM
Overall I am impressed with the new CVO Limited from a style/form standpoint, time will tell if function follows. It is also impressive that they were able to add the components for cooling and the overall running weight increase was only 10 pounds or so over 2013 SEUC. Not wild about the colors but I'm not in the market for a while anyway. Anxious to see one and hear the reviews though.

Was also surprised at the affordability of the Deluxe. If I were to add another bike I would definitely consider one of those. Classic, nostalgic styling but I like laced spokes on a bike like that more than the chrome wheels but that's just me.

X2  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 19, 2013, 02:13:49 PM
Just saw the new Ultra Limited in person.

Fairing is very nice with the vent on top. (Adjustable).

Side bags got a new locking mechanism. Tour pack looks sleek   

Coolers nicely integrated in the lowers. (Looks like it will be a challenge to keep our legs cool)

GPS and radio is VERY nice with blue tooth and a pocket for the iPhone with connectors in the dash.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on August 19, 2013, 02:26:10 PM
where is the phone pocket?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOJOE on August 19, 2013, 02:48:38 PM
Quote
There's a radiator in each lower. They actually did a pretty good job with the radiators and venting from a form point of view...how they, and the rest of the water system  remains to be seen.

Be much easier to tell whether it's the Screamin' radiators leaking or Screamin' Eagle oil pan leaking liquid color wise at least.   :nixweiss: :2vrolijk_21: :cucumber:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 19, 2013, 02:50:33 PM
Interesting....just about all I can say until I see one in person.  Don't like the looks of the new bat with the mail slot...but again, I have not viewed it in person.  Don't think that will change my opinion on that one, however, whether it "moves the air" better or not.

Water cooling looks integrated very well.  At first glance, you wouldn't notice the twin radiators so bravo on the design.  Time and miles will tell if they work/leak.  Hey, now when they leak oil, they can leak water on it for a really slick surface.... :2vrolijk_21:

New dash/radio looks "modern" and hopefully an improvement over the HK head unit.  Wonder how it will do in the wet?  

"Rushmore" ad campaign?  OK  :huepfenlol2:

Like the looks of the new easy-opening saddlebags and tour pack.  ANYTHING would be an improvement over the old style, IMO.  While I'm used to the old style, there are many other ways to skin a cat than how HD did it for years.

I like the idea that they made more room for the passenger from the factory...about time.

Colors?  Like the blue (your welcome, Chip) on the CVO Limited (Ultra?)  Not sure 'bout the rest 'cause the pictures do not do some of the paint justice.  Gotta seem 'em in person before passing final judgement.

I wasn't planning on trading Ginger anytime soon anyway (next 10 years or so)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Chief2505 on August 19, 2013, 02:53:33 PM
I think I will save my judgement of the new models until I see them in person. Pictures can be so misleading and in typical Harley fashion the website doesn't give alot of information. And as I know from first hand experience the colors on the website sometimes are no where near what they are in person.

Just might have to call around and see which dealer has what in stock. I might be interested in the CVO limited or even just the limited with the "new improved" 103
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 19, 2013, 02:58:19 PM
Yeah, when I saw the online pics of my 2010 I thought it was not very well done.  Saw it in person & it popped so I bought it.  Will be interesting to see what all these fancy gizmos look like up close.  Appears HD was listening at at least somewhat to what some of us have been saying as to needed upgrades.  The old HK radio is dismal - hope the new one is better.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 19, 2013, 03:03:57 PM
Did I miss it somewhere or has it been mentioned who makes the new radio/GPS? Just wondering how easy/hard will it be to update the GPS, can you add POI's, any special features of this new radio (USB port, etc., etc.).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 03:13:15 PM
Did I miss it somewhere or has it been mentioned who makes the new radio/GPS? Just wondering how easy/hard will it be to update the GPS, can you add POI's, any special features of this new radio (USB port, etc., etc.).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

There does appear to be a USB connection, Gary...one of the photos I saw on line showed a small inner fairing panel on the right side of the radio that opened up and appeared to hold either an Ipod, phone, or something similar.  Lord only knows who makes the GPS/radio.  One can only hope that Garmin had something to do with it...Garmin isn't perfect, but it's a hell of a lot better than most GPS stuff I've seen in cages, including my '12 Mazda CX-9 Grand Touring.  It won't even show the street I live on, and this subdivision has been here for 20 years...it stops providing verbal guidance a 1/2 mile from the house.

I just bought a Nuvi 50LM for Judi's new Miata and will likely use it for trips in the SUV.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 19, 2013, 03:15:03 PM
dood that is the same thing I was wondering.   :nixweiss:

If it was wireless, would be easy to update with maps or routes, but doubt that it is.  That means either a laptop to the driveway/garage (hope not) or maybe a thumb drive or SD card slot somewhere on the radio is available for GPS maps & such?  Maybe will be mentioned in the print literature or somebody will see one & find out.

Would be interested to know who makes this radio also.  If it is HK hope they did an exorcism to get rid of the old radio demons first.

Edit in: Thanks Terry for the USB info.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 03:27:12 PM
dood that is the same thing I was wondering.   :nixweiss:

If it was wireless, would be easy to update with maps or routes, but doubt that it is.  That means either a laptop to the driveway/garage (hope not) or maybe a thumb drive or SD card slot somewhere on the radio is available for GPS maps & such?  Maybe will be mentioned in the print literature or somebody will see one & find out.

Would be interested to know who makes this radio also.  If it is HK hope they did an exorcism to get rid of the old radio demons first.

Edit in: Thanks Terry for the USB info.

Yea, Mike...we can only hope that USB port allows GPS software updates...of course, they will be exclusive HD Map updates, since they will have dealer locations, and will only cost $299.95, or $399.95 for lifetime updates.  It will also have infotainment downloads for the monkey's needed for the radiator duocooling cap removal.  Photos/videos of Bananas, other Monkey's private parts, etc.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ffltjeff on August 19, 2013, 03:34:33 PM
Maybe I missed it somewhere but what is the difference between a CVO Ultra Classic and a CVO Ultra Limited?  Is there something on a CVO Ultra Limited that a CVO Ultra Classic would not have? 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 19, 2013, 03:36:32 PM
Yea, Mike...we can only hope that USB port allows GPS software updates...of course, they will be exclusive HD Map updates, since they will have dealer locations, and will only cost $299.95, or $399.95 for lifetime updates.  It will also have infotainment downloads for the monkey's needed for the radiator duocooling cap removal.  Photos/videos of Bananas, other Monkey's private parts, etc.

 ;D   :huepfenjump3:
And what day would be complete without a video of a fairing monkey's private parts. (Note to self: do not Google that or there will be a website somewhere that will be even more disgusting than it sounds).

Good point on the map upgrades.  By placing them inside the radio, it becomes proprietary. Maybe. Dammit.

Terry, I will be in the market for a new touring bike in 2015-16. No way in hell would I guinea pig myself on one of these duo cooled wonders of semi-modern science.  After being a lab experiment for the 110 in 07 I learned a good lesson.  Some of the upgrades sound pretty good - radio, seat, bags, TP, controls, forks.  But that H2O component, which may be the best thing since Arthur Davidson's genes gave rise to the massive money maker nameplate that Screamin' Eagle is today, is skeery - to me.  Hope all works well for all but....history says....

Anyway, I will probably check out several Touring models beyond HD.  For $40k plus at least another $5k one can purchase a helluva good bike, and maybe for less.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 03:40:46 PM
Maybe I missed it somewhere but what is the difference between a CVO Ultra Classic and a CVO Ultra Limited?  Is there something on a CVO Ultra Limited that a CVO Ultra Classic would not have? 

The CVO Limited comes with a mind-numbing $38,999 PRICE TAG!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Chief2505 on August 19, 2013, 03:42:41 PM
From what I can tell the Ultra limited is the new and improved high output 103 and the CVO limited is a 110.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 03:44:12 PM
...
I wasn't planning on trading Ginger anytime soon anyway (next 10 years or so)

Trading an FLHXSE3 for anything would just be SILLY anyway, Howard!  :2vrolijk_21:

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 03:46:24 PM
;D   :huepfenjump3:
And what day would be complete without a video of a fairing monkey's private parts. (Note to self: do not Google that or there will be a website somewhere that will be even more disgusting than it sounds).

Good point on the map upgrades.  By placing them inside the radio, it becomes proprietary.  Dammit.

Terry, I will be in the market for a new touring bike in 2015-16. No way in hell would I guinea pig myself on one of these duo cooled wonders of semi-modern science.  After being a lab experiment for the 110 in 07 I learned a good lesson.  Some of the upgrades sound pretty good - radio, seat, bags, TP, controls, forks.  But that H2O component, which may be the best thing since Arthur Davidson's genes gave rise to the massive money maker nameplate that Screamon' Eagle is today, is skeery - to me.  Hope all works well for all but....history says....

Anyway, I will probably check out several Touring models beyond HD.  For $40k plus at least another $5k one can purchase a helluva good bike, and maybe for less.

Agreed, Mike.  HD's track record pretty much sucks on new engines.  It even sucks on old engines, though they make incremental progress.  I remember well the woes of the '07's.  In a couple of years, yeah, maybe.  But like you said, with a MSRP of over $40K by the time you add taxes, there are other viable options...at least for me.  Since I am bikeless now, it'll be 2015-16 for me before I can consider another bike, and it ain't going to cost $40K, I'm sure of that.  Not knocking anyone who ponies up...I really like the lines on the new bikes.  Much better flow from the tank, bags, and TP, IMO.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 19, 2013, 04:01:10 PM
Agreed, Mike.  HD's track record pretty much sucks on new engines.  It even sucks on old engines, though they make incremental progress.  I remember well the woes of the '07's.  In a couple of years, yeah, maybe.  But like you said, with a MSRP of over $40K by the time you add taxes, there are other viable options...at least for me.  Since I am bikeless now, it'll be 2015-16 for me before I can consider another bike, and it ain't going to cost $40K, I'm sure of that.  Not knocking anyone who ponies up...I really like the lines on the new bikes.  Much better flow from the tank, bags, and TP, IMO.

Terry, my bet is they look better in person, they always do.  But for $40-50k, there are a lot of options out there.  So far, for me, Indian is not one.  And the Hondas are....damn fugly Hondas.  May end up on one of these not HD H2O but Liquid Cooled (LOL!) jewels, but I will look around some. 

This marks a huge change for the MoCo.  On bikes with lowers it is inevitable they will be water bikes in time.  On bikes without lowers, one wonders what they will do, but a radiator will hang somewhere, eventually.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 19, 2013, 04:13:45 PM
https://sphotos-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1186286_10151754020916192_139740276_n.jpg

I guess the W/C means you loose your pockets! 
Also means you can't take them off during the summer.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Skipper on August 19, 2013, 05:00:08 PM
FLHTKSE

nav is built in to the new head unit

...wonder why they don't brag with that :confused5:

Skipper
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 19, 2013, 05:09:57 PM
Terry, my bet is they look better in person, they always do.  But for $40-50k, there are a lot of options out there.  So far, for me, Indian is not one.  And the Hondas are....damn fugly Hondas.  May end up on one of these not HD H2O but Liquid Cooled (LOL!) jewels, but I will look around some. 

This marks a huge change for the MoCo.  On bikes with lowers it is inevitable they will be water bikes in time.  On bikes without lowers, one wonders what they will do, but a radiator will hang somewhere, eventually.

I'm sure they look much better in person.  HD hires some chitty photographers who seem incapable of capturing a single shot of each bike that shows it's true colors and sparkle.  It's not a real easy thing to do, but not rocket science either. I particularly am interested in seeing what the stripes on the Ultra look like...from the one or two close up photos, it appears to be an interesting paint effect, and I am certain that the solid colors really pop in the sun, as always.  The graphic design does not reach out and grab me right now, but like other model years, it will grow on us.

Depending on what they do with the RG fairing next year, it might get my attention at some point, but I seriously doubt I'll ever own another CVO, unless I get a used one.  But a Limited might be a possibility.  The Indian has my attention as well...one other bike does too: The Star Stratoliner Deluxe.  They have a little ways to go on it yet...it needs cruise and a six speed tranny, but the engine on that bike is solid, it has a good frame/suspension, and I personally like the lines, but it's not something everyone likes.

On the bikes without lowers, I don't really see a big problem with hanging a radiator between the frame...sort of like they do with the Vrod, only it would not have to be as large.  More like a larger oil cooler...with the right design, it might look good on the Dynas and Softails, as it's the side view of a HD that "makes" the "look", IMO.  No larger than those two radiators in the lowers appear to be, it would not be a big deal to hang a double row radiator capable of the same heat exchanging.  The look of the radiator and shroud on the two years of SE Vrod production certainly added to the overall lines, IMO.

But, I do think HD has gotten it's wheels partially back on the track with these new Rushmore bikes, and not a minute too soon.

One thing I found amusing on the new inner fairing:  The Speedometer and Tach are larger and have larger numbers...I can't imagine why   ::)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: iski on August 19, 2013, 05:30:01 PM
On the bigger numbers on the instrumentation & bigger gauges, thought the same thing.   ::)

With a big touch screen radio, maybe Harley will sell screen ad space to Metamucil & Depends & Grecian Formula &

 :huepfenlol2:

Had to strike the above.  If they see that & figure they could make a buck, they would do it.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ridefar on August 19, 2013, 05:31:09 PM
Please tell me its not true! There does not appear to be an air temp(rain)gauge in the dash of the Ultra. How the hell am I going to live with that situation? I am out on the 2014 for this reason only. Who needs a better motor or suspension or more comfortable seat, we got rid of the stupid air temp gauge! Now that is progress!!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Opossum on August 19, 2013, 06:02:36 PM
Shop in Dallas just got 14 new 2014's.  the Ultra Limited is pretty cool lookin!  They hid the radiators in front of the lowers (which are different)  The fill is in the right glove box. The latches for the side bags, chrome trunk hinges, LED headlamps, touring lamps, wrap around tour pack lamps, LED's everywhere.  The vent in the fairing is pretty cool push a button to open/close.  Dash/gauges are clean and thereis a compartment for the iphone with charge port all under cover.    Overall I'm impressed that "Project Rushmore" paid off.  The pics I got aren't that good so I didn't post 'em but can if needed.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: hogasm on August 19, 2013, 06:12:50 PM
Why are the new torque values rated at 3750rpm's instead of 3200 like before :nixweiss:

Less low end torque for a bagger.......and you guys bitch about 255's
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 19, 2013, 06:29:01 PM
Well I just a deposit on one that is due in next week. Guess ill find out!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 19, 2013, 06:29:39 PM
Red cvo ultra
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LovemyCVOgirl on August 19, 2013, 07:40:52 PM
Red cvo ultra

Good for you!  Please keep us informed and post those pictures when you get her!   :P
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fast FLHX on August 19, 2013, 07:52:13 PM
Which bikes are water cooled?  I can't even tell they added water cooling by going to the HD website, because it doesn't say a thing about water cooling.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 19, 2013, 08:05:14 PM
Which bikes are water cooled?  I can't even tell they added water cooling by going to the HD website, because it doesn't say a thing about water cooling.

Purely a guess, but I would think if it has lowers, it is a Steamin' Eagle. God only knows how they will pull of the water cooled heads on other bikes.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Hawg on August 19, 2013, 08:16:17 PM
http://projectrushmore.harley-davidson.com/en_GB
Not sure if this has been posted yet, if it has ...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: greglyon on August 19, 2013, 08:20:22 PM
Anybody get a link to this year's technical changes manual?
I find that more informative than all the advertising BS 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Hawg on August 19, 2013, 08:21:17 PM
How hot is the air coming thru the radiator going to be? Do they need to redesign our chaps with leg coolers? :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 19, 2013, 08:29:12 PM
How hot is the air coming thru the radiator going to be? Do they need to redesign our chaps with leg coolers? :nixweiss:

Might be nice in the winter. I do think the air is routed out to the sides though.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 19, 2013, 08:37:38 PM
Without going through the last 12 pages since I left for work this morning,,,, Has anyone figured out how they did "the countless miles" of "real road testing" they're claiming?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: porthole on August 19, 2013, 08:56:59 PM
Without going through the last 12 pages since I left for work this morning,,,, Has anyone figured out how they did "the countless miles" of "real road testing" they're claiming?

By selling the Florida test track to Chrysler.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 09:14:45 PM
Which bikes are water cooled?  I can't even tell they added water cooling by going to the HD website, because it doesn't say a thing about water cooling.

Only the Limited, CVO Limited, and Tri Glide Ultra have the "Twin Cooling".

The CVO Limited bears the dubious distinction of being the first, and thus far ONLY, "Steamin' Eagle"...

I wish I could take credit... but LabRat came up it... and like the MoCo, didn't call any attention to it. Well done!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 19, 2013, 09:26:49 PM

I wish I could take credit... but LabRat came up it... and like the MoCo, didn't call any attention to it. Well done!

Ken
Thanks, but the Steamin' Eagle isn't mine - can't remember where I got it, but think it is a perfect description.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 19, 2013, 09:28:05 PM
Well I just a deposit on one that is due in next week. Guess ill find out!

I'm guessing you were the guy I met in the restaurant along the Allegheny River in Foxburg when we got stranded for a while with an incredible rain storm.  I can't remember if that was last year or the year before.  Congrats on the new bike.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: chiefs584ever on August 19, 2013, 09:28:36 PM
Please tell me its not true! There does not appear to be an air temp(rain)gauge in the dash of the Ultra. How the hell am I going to live with that situation? I am out on the 2014 for this reason only. Who needs a better motor or suspension or more comfortable seat, we got rid of the stupid air temp gauge! Now that is progress!!


Hey, there IS a positive to the new dash.  We get rid of that useless thermometer.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 19, 2013, 09:29:23 PM

Hey, there IS a positive to the new dash.  We get rid of that useless thermometer.


Air temp is supposed to display with the system information in the radio's display :huepfenlol2: .
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: panz on August 19, 2013, 09:52:54 PM
I have a question for everyone...isn't there going to be just as much heat as before...or even more as now we have THREE areas throwing heat to the air around the bike. In cars, the radiators get as hot as the engines and they cool through water jackets NOT through the heads. I guess time will tell, but I sure have my doubts about this system being COOLER! I like everything else they did as far as lighting, latches, radio, controls, faring, etc.  :oops:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 19, 2013, 09:59:03 PM
Two things are stressing me out about the new CVO Ultra Ltd; I still haven't seen anything mentioning power locks and as I mentioned a few pages back, there's a big vent hole where the windshield bag goes.  I may not sleep until I know more about these two items.  Okay, maybe I will, but I am curious.  Another thing...I really liked the harness that keeps the passing lamps on with the high beams.  Did they build this in, and if not, will they have a new harness available to work now that there isn't a passing lamp switch at the bottom of the inner fairing (or maybe there is and the switches are now those buttons I see in the photos)?  Also, where is the amplifier?  I'm guessing it's in the fairing, as I sure don't see one under the tourpak.  Has the cooling system caused any change to the exhaust system routing from the front, that would in turn mean there will be a wait for an aftermarket exhaust system to fit the bike?  Finally, it looks like they still didn't make the tourpak lamps into turn signals...just running and brake lights.  At least they didn't put the same old hinges on the tourpak.  How about that?  I had more that two things on my mind after all.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: woode on August 19, 2013, 10:00:18 PM
I have a question for everyone...isn't there going to be just as much heat as before...or even more as now we have THREE areas throwing heat to the air around the bike. In cars, the radiators get as hot as the engines and they cool through water jackets NOT through the heads. I guess time will tell, but I sure have my doubts about this system being COOLER! I like everything else they did as far as lighting, latches, radio, controls, faring, etc.  :oops:
Right!  And since the lowers can't be removed, how much of them has been devoted to passenger venting VS radiator cooling?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 19, 2013, 10:09:00 PM
According to the technical document I just looked at, it does still have power locks.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 19, 2013, 10:14:19 PM
I can pass along the doc, but know how. It's a 30K zip file, so too big to post here
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 19, 2013, 10:15:38 PM
Two things are stressing me out about the new CVO Ultra Ltd; I still haven't seen anything mentioning power locks and as I mentioned a few pages back, there's a big vent hole where the windshield bag goes.  I may not sleep until I know more about these two items.  Okay, maybe I will, but I am curious.  Another thing...I really liked the harness that keeps the passing lamps on with the high beams.  Did they build this in, and if not, will they have a new harness available to work now that there isn't a passing lamp switch at the bottom of the inner fairing (or maybe there is and the switches are now those buttons I see in the photos)?  Also, where is the amplifier?  I'm guessing it's in the fairing, as I sure don't see one under the tourpak.  Has the cooling system caused any change to the exhaust system routing from the front, that would in turn mean there will be a wait for an aftermarket exhaust system to fit the bike?  Finally, it looks like they still didn't make the tourpak lamps into turn signals...just running and brake lights.  At least they didn't put the same old hinges on the tourpak.  How about that?  I had more that two things on my mind after all.
"exhaust port" for the front "mail slot" Supposed to reduce buffeting.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: JETCVO on August 19, 2013, 10:48:49 PM
Only the Limited, CVO Limited, and Tri Glide Ultra have the "Twin Cooling".

The CVO Limited bears the dubious distinction of being the first, and thus far ONLY, "Steamin' Eagle"...

I wish I could take credit... but LabRat came up it... and like the MoCo, didn't call any attention to it. Well done!

Ken
Steamin' Eagle! I like it!!!  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bbrown on August 19, 2013, 10:49:45 PM
I like the idea of water cooling but could anyone imagine opening the glove box in your new car and finding coolant hoses next to the owners manual? Seems like the MOCO may have "rushed" this part of the Rushmore Project.   




lol.  That's a good observation
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 19, 2013, 10:51:20 PM
"exhaust port" for the front "mail slot" Supposed to reduce buffeting.

I know what it's for, but what about a place for a windshield bag?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 11:03:57 PM
I now what it's for, but what about a place for a windshield bag?

ACCCKKK! Windshield bags are SOOOO 2013...


Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 19, 2013, 11:05:22 PM
ACCCKKK! Windshield bags are SOOOO 2013...



(http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj306/ohiobellboy/Smilies/laie_67.gif) (http://s275.photobucket.com/user/ohiobellboy/media/Smilies/laie_67.gif.html)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 11:12:14 PM
But I still NEED 'em fer my SMOKES... Ta keep 'em DRY!

KEN
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 19, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
But I still NEED 'em fer my SMOKES... Ta keep 'em DRY!

KEN
No worries, looks like they got rid of the cigarette lighter anyway. :)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 19, 2013, 11:20:22 PM
No worries, looks like they got rid of the cigarette lighter anyway. :)

Those INGLORIOUS BASTERDS!

I NEED my cigarette lighter... AND my scalps... (Indian reference...)

KEN
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 19, 2013, 11:24:17 PM
I now what it's for, but what about a place for a windshield bag?
No worries, you get the new improved 2014 model bags.... resembles this smiley a whole lot (http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e195/PrimroseSue/Smileys/toothless.gif) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/PrimroseSue/media/Smileys/toothless.gif.html)

And just to make you feel okay, they won't lower the price for the new 2 BAG setup over the old 3 bag setup  ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: tennisman on August 20, 2013, 05:25:46 AM
I can see it now: 2015 P&A catalog, page 4,249, for water-cooled bikes only, steam whistle replacement for current electric horn.  :bananarock:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: kraut on August 20, 2013, 05:51:48 AM
sorry for maybe double posting but I didn't see it here: 2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum.zip (http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=11173.0;topicseen).

Note: as the Company got so terribly innovative as of lately it's no longer a .pdf but a shockwave-application (ca. 30 MB!), so you may need the latest Shockwave Player (http://get.adobe.com/de/shockwave/) and after unpacking the .zip Datei you will have to start the "NMTF_EN.html" in "2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum".
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 20, 2013, 05:55:18 AM
I can see it now: 2015 P&A catalog, page 4,249, for water-cooled bikes only, steam whistle replacement for current electric horn.  :bananarock:
  :drink:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 20, 2013, 06:40:02 AM
I can see it now: 2015 P&A catalog, page 4,249, for water-cooled bikes only, steam whistle replacement for current electric horn.  :bananarock:
Bwaaaaa, chrome of course.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: laylonlor on August 20, 2013, 06:58:19 AM
better make sure you get  the extended warranty on that ulta, cause it looks like it will be a mo/fo to get the heads off and on :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on August 20, 2013, 07:22:28 AM
sorry for maybe double posting but I didn't see it here: 2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum.zip (http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=11173.0;topicseen).

Note: as the Company got so terribly innovative as of lately it's no longer a .pdf but a shockwave-application (ca. 30 MB!), so you may need the latest Shockwave Player (http://get.adobe.com/de/shockwave/) and after unpacking the .zip Datei you will have to start the "NMTF_EN.html" in "2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum".

really good stuff ...looks like they might have fixed compensater problem in 2014
and there appears to be a upgraded fix for the later models as well
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on August 20, 2013, 07:26:13 AM
gotta say I'm  really pleased with all the new feature's and upgrades  Harley has done ...great job 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Spiderman on August 20, 2013, 07:31:04 AM
I've started this post and erased it about 6 times so far. I simply cannot think of a thing I could say that would contribute in any way to the discussion of this year's Harley-Davidson model lineup. Is it me or is them ?

B B 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Spiderman on August 20, 2013, 07:35:03 AM
Oops , sorry, there is one thing I'd like to say - - -ask

How do those of you who bought 2013's feel about the 2014 ?

B B
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Chief2505 on August 20, 2013, 08:14:54 AM
Spiderman in answer to your question...

I feel good that I am not a test dummy for the new liquid cooled engine.

I feel good that I got that last years production model of this styling. Same as many feel that 2008 bikes are the best before the frame change and cats came along.

I do wish I had some of the upgrades that the 2014's have but not all of them.

So I FEEL Great about my 2013 CVO! Plus I spent so much on this one it will be years before I see another new motorcycle!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: PMG1 on August 20, 2013, 08:24:01 AM
This may have been mentioned if so sorry. On the electronics who is the manufacturer of the GPS system? If they have switched from Garmin (the worlds leader in aviation, auto and marine) then it is a downgrade from what we have today? Thanks
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 20, 2013, 08:25:43 AM
Well I'm excited! Finally changes that make it worth trading. I've owned a lot of Harley's and finally this time it looks like they actually listened to what the owners wanted. hooray for HD! My new cvo ultra is due in next week and I'm excited about a new bike for the first time in a long time. By e way my 09 110 has been flawless for the 17,700 miles i put on it. Hot but flawless.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 20, 2013, 08:25:59 AM
This may have been mentioned if so sorry. On the electronics who is the manufacturer of the GPS system? If they have switched from Garmin (the worlds leader in aviation, auto and marine) then it is a downgrade from what we have today? Thanks

The only thing I've noticed is that the CB looks like the old HK module.  Does that prove anything? NO.  But I know what my gut tells me!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: KenK on August 20, 2013, 08:27:14 AM
Oops , sorry, there is one thing I'd like to say - - -ask

How do those of you who bought 2013's feel about the 2014 ?

B B

Good question......Yes and No -there is no real life data on the new bikes -when I bought the 13 ultra I knew want I was getting into... thanks to forum's like this. I would like some of the upgrades (led lights,linked brakes) but let me ask you a question: would you buy a $40,000 Harley (liquid cooled) with no insight and knowing there past history of what happens when they make supposedly upgrades?

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 20, 2013, 08:28:05 AM
YES
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 20, 2013, 08:29:23 AM
My 09 looked and rode just like a 13 but in a better color
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 20, 2013, 08:30:22 AM
I love all the upgrade and am glad I waited this long to trade.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 20, 2013, 08:59:08 AM
sorry for maybe double posting but I didn't see it here: 2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum.zip (http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=11173.0;topicseen).

Note: as the Company got so terribly innovative as of lately it's no longer a .pdf but a shockwave-application (ca. 30 MB!), so you may need the latest Shockwave Player (http://get.adobe.com/de/shockwave/) and after unpacking the .zip Datei you will have to start the "NMTF_EN.html" in "2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum".

Oh GREAT... won't work on my iPad. I HATE Shockwave.

Only the MoCo would do a new Shockwave bundle in this age of HTML5. This says a lot all by itself... sticking with old, proprietary technology plugins in a standards-based world. Good grief!  
:soapbox:

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Ranger on August 20, 2013, 09:07:08 AM
I am glad I purchased my 13 CVO RK....it appears this year they have removed the lowers and speakers in the saddlebags....  The speakers in the saddlebag are not that great....so I could live without those...but I do enjoy having the ability to play my I-Pod or charge my phone.  I was really hopping the MOC would come out with a modular radio for the RK...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mark on August 20, 2013, 09:15:37 AM
Good question......Yes and No -there is no real life data on the new bikes -when I bought the 13 ultra I knew want I was getting into... thanks to forum's like this. I would like some of the upgrades (led lights,linked brakes) but let me ask you a question: would you buy a $40,000 Harley (liquid cooled) with no insight and knowing there past history of what happens when they make supposedly upgrades?

Ken
No. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LoneCustom on August 20, 2013, 09:24:24 AM
I'm waiting for the plug-in hybrid version of the Limited before I even think of trading....  :D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on August 20, 2013, 09:31:12 AM
No. 

Yes I would

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: shelby500 on August 20, 2013, 09:46:46 AM
Oops , sorry, there is one thing I'd like to say - - -ask

How do those of you who bought 2013's feel about the 2014 ?

B B
There is going to be a cvo rg for sale really soon!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jeffro13 on August 20, 2013, 09:47:01 AM
Oops , sorry, there is one thing I'd like to say - - -ask

How do those of you who bought 2013's feel about the 2014 ?

B B

I am happy that I got my 13 and didn't wait for the 14. I know all of these "improvements" are supposed to be better, but I don't like the GPS down low, not really big on the Batwing/bug catcher, and definately not liking the water cooling. There's a lot of new stuff, but I'm happy I got a 13 instead. Only thing i'd like on my 13 from the 14 would be the lights.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Dobeman2000 on August 20, 2013, 09:51:15 AM
I am sooooo glad I bought the 13'- better color scheme and better wheels on the 13's
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: porthole on August 20, 2013, 10:13:01 AM
Oh GREAT... won't work on my iPad. I HATE Shockwave.

Only the MoCo would do a new Shockwave bundle in this age of HTML5. This says a lot all by itself... sticking with old, proprietary technology plugins in a standards-based world. Good grief!  
:soapbox:

Ken

You would think by now - one way or the other this would no longer be an issue.

Jobs and his animosity have been gone for over a year. And the iPad sure does seem to have become the standard in portable devices.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 20, 2013, 10:19:17 AM
You would think by now - one way or the other this would no longer be an issue.

Jobs and his animosity have been gone for over a year. And the iPad sure does seem to have become the standard in portable devices.

There are valid technical reasons for not supporting Shockwave on the iPad... and HTML5 is better.

But you make a very good point... Jobs was steadfast in not supporting Shockwave more to make an anti-Adobe statement about standards than about the technical reasons. It would run fine on the newer iPads... but it would truly suck on an original iPad 1. But who cares?

I wish Apple would finally support Shockwave in iOS. I don't care if it sucks power... I have several chargers!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: cvolovermi on August 20, 2013, 10:34:00 AM

2014's are a non-issue for me.  Once you've ridden a RoadGlide front end, the BatWing has no place in your garage.  Handling is far superior.  IMHO.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 20, 2013, 10:46:38 AM
2014's are a non-issue for me.  Once you've ridden a RoadGlide front end, the BatWing has no place in your garage.  Handling is far superior.  IMHO.


Amen to that brother....  ::)


Willing to be optimistic for a moment and hoping the new cooling system isn't a big drip (because the heads really need the help), liking the new two piece steering stem (but thinking it's just nuts that the entire front end is supposed to come apart every 25k miles to grease it) and bigger forks, being glad they finally got around to linked brakes, thinking the new radio and its integration is a step forward, being pleased CAN bus is finally making moderately modern hand controls modular and more easily serviced without yanking wire through the bars, and liking the a bigger tour pak and the changes to the frame I am curious about how the two different versions of the new radio system will be integrated in a Road Glide fairing.

Am assuming speedo and tach in the pod and radio up in the middle of the fairing.  If so that's better than the new E-Glides as the radio will be in line of sight better.  For the better of the two radios with its larger display and nav functions that's a better placement.  So, yeah, while I'm pleased to see Harley making a big step towards automotive modernity in many areas this year I'm actually more curious now about next year and all these systems evolution in to the new Road Glide.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on August 20, 2013, 10:52:08 AM
New compensator......rocks
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 20, 2013, 10:58:58 AM
It sure is hard to imagine that anyone would consider buying a 14 without a deluxe lumbar adjustable BSR backrest!  Just sayin'.

 :P :P
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Dan_Lockwood on August 20, 2013, 12:11:07 PM
I've been reading the different threads about the new 2014's with great pleasure.  I'm not getting too excided though, the wife said no new bike till 2019...  By then I'm sure all the kinks will be worked out on whatever is popular at the time.  Also it may take that log for me to get the board track project finished.   :o  :o  :o  Then that would be my "new" bike I suppose.

I am curious though about what someone else asked about, the PDF's that comes out at this time about the changes on the new bikes versus the last model year bikes.  They show things, like I'm sure the new steering head, linked brakes etc.

So has someone posted the PDF to a post yet?  If so, where?

Thanks for keeping my interest with all the new things popping up.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: greglyon on August 20, 2013, 12:18:53 PM
sorry for maybe double posting but I didn't see it here: 2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum.zip (http://harleytechtalk.org/htt/index.php?topic=11173.0;topicseen).

Note: as the Company got so terribly innovative as of lately it's no longer a .pdf but a shockwave-application (ca. 30 MB!), so you may need the latest Shockwave Player (http://get.adobe.com/de/shockwave/) and after unpacking the .zip Datei you will have to start the "NMTF_EN.html" in "2014_Model_Year_Technical_Forum".

directed me to a "tech forum" that was password protected...can you attach the file  thanks
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: laylonlor on August 20, 2013, 12:42:02 PM
those  bike are just speakers on wheels,(red neck noise) you don't need a streo on a bike ,..listen to you pipe's,  ,...my stero is louder that yours , ( that's some funny sh** dude),..don't need a windshield either , where in the f***k did we go wrong, use to be  my pipes sounds good don't they bro?,.... now all you here first is radio noise :nixweiss: H D  needs to hand out hair gel , flip flops burmuta shorts, rap around sunglasses  , coconut oil, tampons for most of these riders now,  i'm selling my bike i'm imbarssed to ride with these punks now day  :huepfenlol2: I getting a f**kin airplane,  :bananarock:....get back to the basics bro's
 :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Lever on August 20, 2013, 12:52:48 PM
I will pay ya $50.00 for your bike
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: firefighter156 on August 20, 2013, 12:58:40 PM
Just came from dealer.  They have about 15 2014 bikes there in various models.  I took some pics. Its not an allusion the lid covers on the saddle bags are definitely different shape as is the tour pak.  Luggage rack comes from moco but sits really high. Kinda out of place actually.  There are definitely vent doors in the lowers next to the radiators that open and close. The vent below the windshield also opens and closes. The dash and controls on handle bars are all redesigned. The A/C cover is not to pretty.  New latches all the way around on the tour pak and side bags.  

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/189/3u09.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/7932/jcc1.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img706/1219/gpcj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/6390/to6x.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/4453/36jj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/9272/k8i9.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/473/pzh4.jpg
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110Mofo on August 20, 2013, 01:36:06 PM
http://player.ooyala.com/iframe.html#ec=tqc2F3ZDp_3dc27QF9J_r5dE4TSjogUr&pbid=f7575286f810429a979346d9a69caaef&docUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxnews.com%2Fleisure%2F2013%2F08%2F20%2F2014-harley-davidson-lineup-revealed%2F

 see if this works ?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jimcb1 on August 20, 2013, 01:41:07 PM
any cvo ultras out there yet
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 20, 2013, 01:51:44 PM
Just came from dealer.  They have about 15 2014 bikes there in various models.  I took some pics. Its not an allusion the lid covers on the saddle bags are definitely different shape as is the tour pak.  Luggage rack comes from moco but sits really high. Kinda out of place actually.  There are definitely vent doors in the lowers next to the radiators that open and close. The vent below the windshield also opens and closes. The dash and controls on handle bars are all redesigned. The A/C cover is not to pretty.  New latches all the way around on the tour pak and side bags.  

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/189/3u09.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/7932/jcc1.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img706/1219/gpcj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/6390/to6x.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/4453/36jj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/9272/k8i9.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/473/pzh4.jpg

Is it just the way I'm seeing it, or is the outer fairing different on the Police bike around the new vent system compared to the Street Glide?   :nixweiss:

Check out the last 2 pics above and see what you think.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: GregKhougaz on August 20, 2013, 02:01:01 PM
Good eye, Grizzly.  I will bet the police version is flat so that they can more easily apply a police logo. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 20, 2013, 02:56:45 PM
Is it just the way I'm seeing it, or is the outer fairing different on the Police bike around the new vent system compared to the Street Glide?   :nixweiss:

Check out the last 2 pics above and see what you think.

Not just an illusion.  Obvious difference.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 20, 2013, 03:38:50 PM
Not just an illusion.  Obvious difference.

At least the Police version would be easier for someone to fill and repaint the fairing if they didn't want the vent.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: firefighter156 on August 20, 2013, 03:46:34 PM
Just came from dealer.  They have about 15 2014 bikes there in various models.  I took some pics. Its not an allusion the lid covers on the saddle bags are definitely different shape as is the tour pak.  Luggage rack comes from moco but sits really high. Kinda out of place actually.  There are definitely vent doors in the lowers next to the radiators that open and close. The vent below the windshield also opens and closes. The dash and controls on handle bars are all redesigned. The A/C cover is not to pretty.  New latches all the way around on the tour pak and side bags.  

http://imageshack.us/a/img534/189/3u09.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img23/7932/jcc1.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img706/1219/gpcj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img59/6390/to6x.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img42/4453/36jj.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img41/9272/k8i9.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/473/pzh4.jpg

If you zoom in on the pic with the dash and grips you will note the addition of buttons/knobs below the usual turn signal switches.  To zoom in for close up look click on link and open pic, hold your control (ctrl) key and tap the + sign. To return to normal size hold the (ctrl) key and tap the - key.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: firefighter156 on August 20, 2013, 03:50:43 PM
My thoughts so far are some of the changes I like some I don't.  I have to give the MOCO credit they are making changes. Jury is still out on the results. I must ask is it just me or is there a European flare to the styling changes?  Especially the tour pak and lid covers on the saddle bags  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Dean_Nelson on August 20, 2013, 03:57:03 PM
looking at the photo's , we now have 6 flip switches on the dash by the key. so what will all 6 turn on and off.

Dean Nelson
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVO2FIXUP on August 20, 2013, 04:02:11 PM
 Looks like the fairing speakers are much larger!!  Maybe a 8 inch speaker,  also the 110 are liquid cooled.  These will be hot sellers.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 20, 2013, 04:04:03 PM
My thoughts so far are some of the changes I like some I don't.  I have to give the MOCO credit they are making changes. Jury is still out on the results. I must ask is it just me or is there a European flare to the styling changes?  Especially the tour pak and lid covers on the saddle bags  :nixweiss:

More Japanese than European IMHO.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Senator on August 20, 2013, 04:22:18 PM
Don't like the new 2014 Limited...It's starting to look like a Goldwing. Vents in the fairing ECT...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: cvolovermi on August 20, 2013, 04:24:18 PM

Just came from the dealer and it is obvious MOCO has the beancounters in control this year.  They have cheapened the bikes in many ways.  Look at the saddlebag hardware: everything is plastic now, nothing metal except what is outside,  Look at the inner fairing:  It is now cheap plastic and very flimsy at that.  Look at the new bags and tourpack:  they have gone to a rounded design, like the switchback, obviously to cut production costs, they look like a Victory or RoyalStar bag now.  Look at the gas cap:  There is no lock now.  Look at the wheels:  Just like the Victory Cross Country.

The only way we can prevent MOCO from going cheap on the most expensive bike out there, is to BOYCOTT BUY THIS BULLchit!  Glad I bought a 2013 CVO Roadglide.  May have to retire with it.

Shaking my F*#king Head Right Now.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: chiefs584ever on August 20, 2013, 05:41:23 PM
Just came from the dealer and it is obvious MOCO has the beancounters in control this year.  They have cheapened the bikes in many ways.  Look at the saddlebag hardware: everything is plastic now, nothing metal except what is outside,  Look at the inner fairing:  It is now cheap plastic and very flimsy at that.  Look at the new bags and tourpack:  they have gone to a rounded design, like the switchback, obviously to cut production costs, they look like a Victory or RoyalStar bag now.  Look at the gas cap:  There is no lock now.  Look at the wheels:  Just like the Victory Cross Country.

The only way we can prevent MOCO from going cheap on the most expensive bike out there, is to BOYCOTT BUY THIS BULLchit!  Glad I bought a 2013 CVO Roadglide.  May have to retire with it.

Shaking my F*#king Head Right Now.

Must agree myself.  Glad I bought my 13 Ultra CVO.  This just looks cheap to me with a 1500 higher price.  Not impressed at all.  Profit margain must mean more to the moco than happy customers.  Will I be the first to say it?  EPIC FAIL!!!!!  I just don't think they are going to sell well.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mark on August 20, 2013, 07:38:53 PM
My 2010 CVO SG doesn't have a locking gas cap.  I actually like this better...I don't have to take my gloves off in order to fish the key out of my pocket to gas up. 

I'm not a production guy, so help me out - how is making the lines in the saddlebags rounder make them cheaper to produce?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: WildClyde on August 20, 2013, 08:07:45 PM
Quote
I'm not a production guy, so help me out - how is making the lines in the saddlebags rounder make them cheaper to produce?

Switchback has rounded bags, so using rounded bags on Ultra saves money through reuse of parts?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Bigfoot16 on August 20, 2013, 08:57:53 PM
I have a 2013 CVO Ultra and am really happy with it.  I have to say though.. I wish mine had that new cool radio and gps all in one like the new ones.  Looks pretty cool to me.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 20, 2013, 09:11:29 PM
My '08 Screamin' Nemo is looking better and better now that I've seen the new Steamin' Eagles. I will miss out, however, on the ability to put on a chrome mail slot and radiator covers and a steam whistle to replace the cow bell.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: skratch on August 20, 2013, 10:07:45 PM
I'm not a production guy, so help me out - how is making the lines in the saddlebags rounder make them cheaper to produce?

yeah, they had to make a new mold, instead of using the same old ones they had.  i don't see how the cost would be less.

Switchback has rounded bags, so using rounded bags on Ultra saves money through reuse of parts?

the switchback bags are smaller than the standard 'old' bags, and the new bags are even larger.  so no reuse there.....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Billy on August 20, 2013, 10:19:39 PM
So with the new brake system How will that effect  torque braking.         Billy
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 20, 2013, 11:05:49 PM
So with the new brake system How will that effect  torque braking.         Billy

The linked braking only kicks in when applying the brakes and going above 20-25 mph.  System doesn't kick in during decel unless you're applying brakes at the same time and going fast enough to engage the system.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on August 20, 2013, 11:26:13 PM
I have a 2013 CVO Ultra and am really happy with it.  I have to say though.. I wish mine had that new cool radio and gps all in one like the new ones.  Looks pretty cool to me.
don't worry it will be available for purchase at a premium price! 8)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SDCVO on August 21, 2013, 01:16:27 AM
I think the audio system and brakes are pretty cool. I am hoping they will come out with the nav system to replace the Zumo 665 for a retro fit.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2013, 08:42:13 AM
I think the audio system and brakes are pretty cool. I am hoping they will come out with the nav system to replace the Zumo 665 for a retro fit.

The radio screen you're seeing on the new bikes isn't a standalone thin piece like your Zumo.  It's the non-removeable face of a much larger radio/engine and systems management system.  
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 21, 2013, 10:03:50 AM
I'm wondering if the new Bluetooth equipped radio (finally!) comes with a Bluetooth headset? Sena? Scala? Uclear?
Do the bikes still include the socket to use our existing HD headset dongles?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 21, 2013, 10:05:04 AM
I'm wondering if the new Bluetooth equipped radio (finally!) comes with a Bluetooth headset? Sena? Scala? Uclear?
Do the bikes still include the socket to use our existing HD headset dongles?
Still a plug in headset, thank goodness.  I hate relying on batteries for too much!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 21, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
After seeing the pics of the new inner fairing layout, and the "infotainment" (I really hate that stupid word, BTW) system, I think I actually prefer my RT 665 GPS right where it is... high up on the fairing on the left side, easily viewable and easily controllable with my left hand. I think it's rather dangerous t have to reach down to where that buttons are to control it, and I doubt that the hand controls are able to do much with the GPS functions.

And, my 665 is a real GARMIN, unlike many of the rather cumbersome built-in GPSes I have had in autos. I can pop the 665 right off and use it for other purposes as well, which I like... although when I am off of the bike, I am using the Maps on my iPhone 5 more and more these days anyway, now that it has turn-by-turn directions like the GPS does.

The 665 also has XM, but I only have a subscription for Weather/Traffic. I only ever listen to my iPod anyway. I had full XM on it for awhile, but it proved to not be worth the yearly subscription cost.

Maybe I'm just getting old and increasingly crotchety, but I have rarely ever been the type to like new designs just because they are the latest, greatest thing. I can remember very few times when I've seen a redesign of an auto, motorcycle, etc. that I actually liked better than what it replaced. The Corvette C6, the new Camaro, and the Dodge RAM are the only ones I have ever liked better than the old.

Maybe I'll get used to the new "postal" fairing, rounded saddlebag lids, Tour Pak, etc. look in time... but for now I like the pre-'14 look of things a lot better than the Project "Rush More" stuff...

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2013, 10:09:28 AM
Still a plug in headset, thank goodness.  I hate relying on batteries for too much!

That's something I'd not looked at yet.  Is bluetooth with the helmet for output audio and input voice commands even an option?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 21, 2013, 11:09:58 AM
That's something I'd not looked at yet.  Is bluetooth with the helmet for output audio and input voice commands even an option?
I'm not sure.  I don't see why it would be that difficult for them to include it, but I've seen nothing about it.  I've only seen reference to phone and audio Bluetooth profiles.

 :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 21, 2013, 11:33:47 AM
Just came from the dealer and it is obvious MOCO has the beancounters in control this year.  They have cheapened the bikes in many ways.  Look at the saddlebag hardware: everything is plastic now, nothing metal except what is outside,  Look at the inner fairing:  It is now cheap plastic and very flimsy at that.  Look at the new bags and tourpack:  they have gone to a rounded design, like the switchback, obviously to cut production costs, they look like a Victory or RoyalStar bag now.  Look at the gas cap:  There is no lock now.  Look at the wheels:  Just like the Victory Cross Country.

The only way we can prevent MOCO from going cheap on the most expensive bike out there, is to BOYCOTT BUY THIS BULLchit!  Glad I bought a 2013 CVO Roadglide.  May have to retire with it.

Shaking my F*#king Head Right Now.
I'm shaking my head trying to decipher the "newly cheapened" complaints you're throwing out there.
If you don't like the new look, just say that.
Tossing a bunch of red herrings on the discussion just confuses. The bags have metal hardware only on the outside...really? Mine too. Well, there is the power lock but I think its mostly plastic. My ('10 CUSE5) bags and inner fairing are also plastic. Making new bags rounder doesn't "obviously" save production costs, that's just dumb. I don't have a locking gas cap (thank goodness), did I get cheated? Are Victory wheels "cheap"?
Again: If you don't like the new look, just say that.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on August 21, 2013, 11:40:38 AM
I'm shaking my head trying to decipher the "newly cheapened" complaints you're throwing out there.
If you don't like the new look, just say that.
Tossing a bunch of red herrings on the discussion just confuses. The bags have metal hardware only on the outside...really? Mine too. Well, there is the power lock but I think its mostly plastic. My ('10 CUSE5) bags and inner fairing are also plastic. Making new bags rounder doesn't "obviously" save production costs, that's just dumb. I don't have a locking gas cap (thank goodness), did I get cheated? Are Victory wheels "cheap"?
Again: If you don't like the new look, just say that.

I don't think cvolovermi have much manufacturing experience  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 21, 2013, 12:11:13 PM
I'm not sure.  I don't see why it would be that difficult for them to include it, but I've seen nothing about it.  I've only seen reference to phone and audio Bluetooth profiles.

 :nixweiss:

I found this on their website:

Voice Recognition (Optional), Bluetooth

The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 21, 2013, 12:17:49 PM
I found this on their website:

Voice Recognition (Optional), Bluetooth

The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.


Hadn't seen that yet.  Is it possible that they are going to accomodate ALL of us? 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: KenK on August 21, 2013, 12:19:13 PM
MrSurly = MrMOCO.................. ???
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: hogsty on August 21, 2013, 12:33:06 PM
MrSurly = MrMOCO.................. ???

You obviously don't know MrSurly 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 21, 2013, 12:37:45 PM
Hadn't seen that yet.  Is it possible that they are going to accommodate ALL of us? 
It is a new world out there!
Having recently added Sena components in order to get everything through the headset and wondering out loud about why the heck Harley hasn't joined the new century with Bluetooth and usb, etc... it seems like they HEARD me (us) and I'm a bit shocked. I was totally prepared to discover that the new radio supported some profiles but not headsets. THAT would have been maddening.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 21, 2013, 12:43:38 PM
You obviously don't know MrSurly 

  :coolblue:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LRebel on August 21, 2013, 01:10:00 PM
A 110 with new problems..... yeah, I want to get in line to get one of those  ???

If they really have to go to water cooled, what was wrong with the VRod engine, that seems to be pretty trouble-free?  Bump up the size and stick it in a touring frame..... not sure why the MoCo missed that idea  :nixweiss:

Anyway, I will just stick with my scooter and watch from the cheap seats  :vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LabRat on August 21, 2013, 01:12:50 PM
A 110 with new problems..... yeah, I want to get in line to get one of those  ???

If they really have to go to water cooled, what was wrong with the VRod engine, that seems to be pretty trouble-free?  Bump up the size and stick it in a touring frame..... not sure why the MoCo missed that idea  :nixweiss:

Anyway, I will just stick with my scooter and watch from the cheap seats  :vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11: :vrolijk_11:

If they can move the power band down and increase the torque to what's needed for a touring bike - why the hell not. Sounds like a better way to go than what they designed for 2014.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2013, 01:20:13 PM

If they really have to go to water cooled, what was wrong with the VRod engine,


Reliable they seem to be.  But, personally, I'd not want to sit on top of one the way a touring bike is ridden.  That's the wrong RPM range to be over top of for 800-1000 mile days.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Opossum on August 21, 2013, 01:21:18 PM
I found this on their website:

Voice Recognition (Optional), Bluetooth

The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.

I been lookin all over for this  where you find it.  Also nowhere can I read that there's a NAV system anywhere, nor did I see anykind of AUX input?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LRebel on August 21, 2013, 01:33:39 PM
Reliable they seem to be.  But, personally, I'd not want to sit on top of one the way a touring bike is ridden.  That's the wrong RPM range to be over top of for 800-1000 mile days.

What is the cruising (75 mph) RPM of a VRod?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 21, 2013, 01:42:52 PM
Reliable they seem to be.  But, personally, I'd not want to sit on top of one the way a touring bike is ridden.  That's the wrong RPM range to be over top of for 800-1000 mile days.

A 2000cc V4 "Tourolution" engine - properly cammed and stroked for low-end torque - would be perfect, I think.  It would never have overheating issues... but would require a HUGE radiator up front.

Liquid cooling and low end torque need not be mutually exclusive... And it's not impossible to design from scratch for that. Oh, but that would require a LOT more engineering investment than the Steamin' Eagle did... and I don't see the MoCo EVER doing it.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Road_Glider on August 21, 2013, 01:52:57 PM
A 2000cc V4 "Tourolution" engine - properly cammed and stroked for low-end torque

That is exactly what I am hoping for in the new Road Glide.  Been rumored project Dakota involves a new wider frame.  Wonder if that wider frame is to accommodate a V4 hotrod high horsepower motor.  That is what I am hoping for and hope to hear about it at the winter dealer meeting this year. 

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 21, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
That is exactly what I am hoping for in the new Road Glide.  Been rumored project Dakota involves a new wider frame.  Wonder if that wider frame is to accommodate a V4 hotrod high horsepower motor.  That is what I am hoping for and hope to hear about it at the winter dealer meeting this year. 

Stay tuned.

I certainly WILL! THAT would truly be Tourolutionary!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2013, 03:18:51 PM
What is the cruising (75 mph) RPM of a VRod?

75 mph is going to push 6k.  Honestly that engine is fine with that all day long.  It's my body on top of it that wants something different.  Can't re-gear that engine as is without screwing up what torque it has.  The (still) mythical tour-volution wet V-4 with tons of torque (tourque?) and the ability to get chicks....  that could be a winner....  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 21, 2013, 03:33:32 PM
I been lookin all over for this  where you find it.  Also nowhere can I read that there's a NAV system anywhere, nor did I see anykind of AUX input?

OK, THIS is weird:
I went back to the site to get you  the link (http://"http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/electra-glide-ultra-limited.html#!keyFeatures")....and the wording has CHANGED.
It now says:
<<<

2014 Touring Electra Glide® Ultra Limited Motorcycles Harley-Davidson® Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
>>>>
The words "for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. " have been excised from the paragraph.
The graphic still shows a setup screen  with 'headset' in it.

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 21, 2013, 03:39:07 PM
75 mph is going to push 6k.  Honestly that engine is fine with that all day long.  It's my body on top of it that wants something different.  Can't re-gear that engine as is without screwing up what torque it has.  The (still) mythical tour-volution wet V-4 with tons of torque (tourque?) and the ability to get chicks....  that could be a winner....  :2vrolijk_21:

As the Great Communicator used to say... "Now, there you go again..."

And as I say... "Well, THAT will be the TRICKY part..."

How about this... 45 degree Big Twin or V4 for the sound to attract the chicks, liquid cooled to eliminate heat problems, a long stroke for good low end torque like a big twin, quad overhead cams for good breathing. Yeah, there would be valve shims unless they figure out something else... BUT NO LIFTERS NOR CAM CHEST to ever worry about. And a direct drive gear primary to eliminate the primary chain and compensator issues. And one fill hole like literally EVERY other bike in the known universe.

NOW would you be interested? It COULD be done if they WANT to do it. Hell, they DID it years ago with Project Nova... but they shelved it. Maybe it was a Weak Chick Factor that did it in... gotta work on that.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 21, 2013, 03:42:07 PM
OK, THIS is weird:
I went back to the site to get you the link....and the wording has CHANGED.
It now says:
<<<

2014 Touring Electra Glide® Ultra Limited Motorcycles Harley-Davidson® Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
>>>>
The words "for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. " have been excised from the paragraph.
The graphic still shows a setup screen  with 'headset' in it.


The MoCo probably came here and read what you posted previously and said "oh chit!!" and had it corrected. :oops: :-[ :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: timmyt on August 21, 2013, 04:26:52 PM
on my 2012 model with the garmin I just take if off take it in the house and program my trips in it off the Harley website. do you have to take a laptop to the bike or what. does anybody know anything about it. got my name on one . just wondering.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 21, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
on my 2012 model with the garmin I just take if off take it in the house and program my trips in it off the Harley website. do you have to take a laptop to the bike or what. does anybody know anything about it. got my name on one . just wondering.

Since it has a USB connection, it is possible that you could load things on a thumbdrive and download them to the GPS.  But that's just a guess, and probably wishful thinking.  Surely they would allow some kind of mapping arrangement other than having to do it all on the face of the radio.  That's OK in a cage, as you are generally going from point A to point B the fastest way, but on a bike, it's a different ballgame...two lane roads rule.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 21, 2013, 04:44:17 PM
Right you are Terry. If it does not have functionality to upload routes, well that would be a showstopper for sure.


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Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2013, 05:07:36 PM

Right you are Terry. If it does not have functionality to upload routes, well that would be a showstopper for sure.


Only supposition but according to the MY 2014 tech bulletin the entire system can take system updates via the USB port.  While that's not an absolute it is at least likely that if the entire system could be updated that way that routes could be input the same way.  Would be even nicer if the bluetooth connection from a portable PC or a phone holding the route file could be used to do the same thing.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: cvolovermi on August 21, 2013, 06:12:06 PM
I'm shaking my head trying to decipher the "newly cheapened" complaints you're throwing out there.
If you don't like the new look, just say that.
Tossing a bunch of red herrings on the discussion just confuses. The bags have metal hardware only on the outside...really? Mine too. Well, there is the power lock but I think its mostly plastic. My ('10 CUSE5) bags and inner fairing are also plastic. Making new bags rounder doesn't "obviously" save production costs, that's just dumb. I don't have a locking gas cap (thank goodness), did I get cheated? Are Victory wheels "cheap"?
Again: If you don't like the new look, just say that.

MrSurly, have you seen the 2014 bikes in person.  If not, just wait.  You will come to the same cheap feeling conclusions.  The entire feel of the inner fairing, bags and the new fairing vent just reminds you of a Honda or Yamaha.  It has nothing to do with looks.  Trust me, I want to buy a new bike every 2 years.  I like the latest and greatest.  this just has me wondering, where do i go from here.  Hope the 2016 Road Glide is better.

And it is much cheaper and less technical to build a plastic mold with rounded corners, as opposed to 90 degree angles.  Don't take my word for it, just ask someone who does it for a living.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2013, 06:36:39 PM
OK, THIS is weird:
I went back to the site to get you  the link (http://"http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/electra-glide-ultra-limited.html#!keyFeatures")....and the wording has CHANGED.
It now says:
<<<

2014 Touring Electra Glide® Ultra Limited Motorcycles Harley-Davidson® Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
>>>>
The words "for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. " have been excised from the paragraph.
The graphic still shows a setup screen  with 'headset' in it.



You might be bouncing back and forth between screens for the two different radios.  The smaller and base model is 4.5", no nav and 25 watts.  Several other functions not there compared to the larger more capable unit that is stock in the new CVO bike.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 21, 2013, 08:01:54 PM
MrSurly, have you seen the 2014 bikes in person.  If not, just wait.  You will come to the same cheap feeling conclusions.  The entire feel of the inner fairing, bags and the new fairing vent just reminds you of a Honda or Yamaha.  It has nothing to do with looks.  Trust me, I want to buy a new bike every 2 years.  I like the latest and greatest.  this just has me wondering, where do i go from here.  Hope the 2016 Road Glide is better.

And it is much cheaper and less technical to build a plastic mold with rounded corners, as opposed to 90 degree angles.  Don't take my word for it, just ask someone who does it for a living.

I just went in for a quick look and thought exactly the opposite.  I thought they were more upscale shapes and finishes.  I am really stoked to take one of these things on a test ride!  I'd be in line for the pretty red Limited on the floor right now, except I plan to get a 2015 50th anniversary Electra-Glide to go with my 1st year Electra-Glide.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 21, 2013, 08:22:56 PM
You might be bouncing back and forth between screens for the two different radios.  The smaller and base model is 4.5", no nav and 25 watts.  Several other functions not there compared to the larger more capable unit that is stock in the new CVO bike.

No, actually each copy/paste was the complete paragraph and both begin with "Boom!™ Box 6.5GT "

The good news is that a personal friend in ND reported looking at them today and he witnessed the service guy pairing a Sena SMH10 with a 2014 limited.

I have not yet laid hands upon the new bikes yet.
My local dealer says he'll have the bikes tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mrmagloo on August 21, 2013, 10:58:56 PM
MrSurly, have you seen the 2014 bikes in person.  If not, just wait.  You will come to the same cheap feeling conclusions.  The entire feel of the inner fairing, bags and the new fairing vent just reminds you of a Honda or Yamaha.  It has nothing to do with looks.  Trust me, I want to buy a new bike every 2 years.  I like the latest and greatest.  this just has me wondering, where do i go from here.  Hope the 2016 Road Glide is better.

And it is much cheaper and less technical to build a plastic mold with rounded corners, as opposed to 90 degree angles.  Don't take my word for it, just ask someone who does it for a living.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The complexity if these molds anywhere in this range of design are extremely basic at best. Trust me, there was zero savings in the new tooling over the old design. As a matter of fact, there was no cost in using the existing tooling, so your theory falls flat on its face. They updated the design to attempt to enhance the functionality. Whether they did or not in actual use is the real question.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fast FLHX on August 21, 2013, 11:17:26 PM
Wonder how many of these new screens will be yanked out by a thief?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 21, 2013, 11:20:01 PM
Next question, unless it's been asked already....

With the fairing vent closed, Does it add turbulence from the air trying to blow into it or is it like the open pickup bed effect that once air is tumbling around an open bed, any air trying to come into the bed area gets shot over the "tumbling" air already there?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 21, 2013, 11:21:24 PM
Wonder how many of these new screens will be yanked out by a thief?

You mean the radio?  I've not seen anything that says the display is a removable component from the rest of the radio.  So theft would require either stealing the whole bike or removing the fairing then removing the radio.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CowboyBagger on August 21, 2013, 11:36:17 PM
I see the CVO Limited is 48 lbs. heavier than the Limited.  Is the 110 that much heavier than the 103?

On HD's website, I can't see any difference between an FLHX and the FLHXS.  Does anyone know?

Cowboy
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 22, 2013, 12:19:04 AM
I see the CVO Limited is 48 lbs. heavier than the Limited.  Is the 110 that much heavier than the 103?

On HD's website, I can't see any difference between an FLHX and the FLHXS.  Does anyone know?

Cowboy

Wow! That's a huge difference. And all this time I thought chrome was LIGHT!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: bknerr on August 22, 2013, 12:52:57 AM
flhxs comes with upgraded radio and the abs, trac control are standard. thats all i can see.
 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 22, 2013, 04:27:14 AM
I see the CVO Limited is 48 lbs. heavier than the Limited.  Is the 110 that much heavier than the 103?

Cowboy

I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to add 48 lbs to a bike.  I'm guessing the 110 has a separate amp and possibly the 103 is powered only by the head unit itself.  You've got little things like saddlebag and tourpak liners that probably aren't on the 103.  Every little bit counts.  You have 7 more cubic inches on the 110, so there's got to be a little more material making it bigger.  I haven't really looked closely at what's offered on the 103, but again I'm guessing it doesn't have power locks, and heated seats.  All I'm saying is adding up a pound here and a few pounds there and it doesn't seem like it would be hard to justify 48 lbs of extra weight.  Maybe the CVO is a female bike and at the time of weigh-in, was retaining water.  :pepper:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: kojak on August 22, 2013, 06:39:39 AM
flhxs comes with upgraded radio and the abs, trac control are standard. thats all i can see.
 
Painted inner fairing?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2013, 08:45:15 AM
flhxs comes with upgraded radio and the abs, trac control are standard. thats all i can see.
 

... and I believe the SGS also comes with a painted inner fairing.  At least the one I saw come off the truck at my dealer on Monday did.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 22, 2013, 09:49:13 AM
I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to add 48 lbs to a bike.  I'm guessing the 110 has a separate amp and possibly the 103 is powered only by the head unit itself.  You've got little things like saddlebag and tourpak liners that probably aren't on the 103.  Every little bit counts.  You have 7 more cubic inches on the 110, so there's got to be a little more material making it bigger.  I haven't really looked closely at what's offered on the 103, but again I'm guessing it doesn't have power locks, and heated seats.  All I'm saying is adding up a pound here and a few pounds there and it doesn't seem like it would be hard to justify 48 lbs of extra weight.  Maybe the CVO is a female bike and at the time of weigh-in, was retaining water.  :pepper:

I would agree with this. The published weight is certainly going to be for the "base model" of the limited without any options...and the CVO, of course has all of the Limited's option list PLUS the CVO-only stuff already on it. The CVO seat apparently has "suspension" and it looks bigger.
I don't know if any of the various hard parts actually add weight (Wheels/rotors/pipes/pass floorboards, etc.) but there are those things that are not included in the ltd.
CB/bigger seat/ seat heaters/power locks/amplifier/heated grips/bag liners/HD luggage/cover/and the big ol' Gold key. We all know Gold is heavy, eh?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 22, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
... Maybe the CVO is a female bike and at the time of weigh-in, was retaining water.  :pepper:

Oh MYYYYYY!

We know it is SUPPOSED to retain 1.1 quarts anyway (or is it gallons? I can't remember)... but so does the Limited!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: porthole on August 22, 2013, 12:27:16 PM
OK, THIS is weird:
I went back to the site to get you  the link (http://"http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/electra-glide-ultra-limited.html#!keyFeatures")....and the wording has CHANGED.
It now says:
<<<

2014 Touring Electra Glide® Ultra Limited Motorcycles Harley-Davidson® Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

Voice Recognition, Bluetooth

The Boom!™ Box 6.5GT gives you voice recognition for hands free operation of your mobile phone, navigation system and music. It’s also Bluetooth capable. Whatever you want, just say the word. Whether it’s directions to the next gas station, a call back to the office you’re not at today or a song that fits the stretch of road you’re on, it’ll be served up without missing a beat.
>>>>
The words "for pairing your mobile phone or wireless headset. " have been excised from the paragraph.
The graphic still shows a setup screen  with 'headset' in it.



When I questioned Sony about the lack of headset profiles (HSP) in their mobile radios, they claimed it was a safety issue  :nixweiss:

Although I can't play my Sony radio through my Nolan helmet (BT), I can "work" my iPhone connected to the Sony with BT with the handlebar controls and listen via the iPhone BT and helmet  :nixweiss:

But, having the iPhone BT connected has other issues, like limited phone connections. So most of the time I leave an iPod connected in th eradio all the time and use an extension cable to the helmet. So much for seamless and wireless.
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Post by: porthole on August 22, 2013, 12:29:30 PM
Liquid cooling and low end torque need not be mutually exclusive...


 :) Got that in my truck, 800 Tq. But that also has 2 cooling systems an 7 radiators of various types.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 22, 2013, 12:58:46 PM
When I questioned Sony about the lack of headset profiles (HSP) in their mobile radios, they claimed it was a safety issue  :nixweiss:

Although I can't play my Sony radio through my Nolan helmet (BT), I can "work" my iPhone connected to the Sony with BT with the handlebar controls and listen via the iPhone BT and helmet  :nixweiss:

But, having the iPhone BT connected has other issues, like limited phone connections. So most of the time I leave an iPod connected in th eradio all the time and use an extension cable to the helmet. So much for seamless and wireless.

I'm having success with Sena gear plus iPhone4s plus the HD radio. Ive got everything working except there's no CB transmit...but don't use it anyway.
No wires to rip when I get off.

I have it fromn a good source that the new HD radio DOES do all the needed profiles for headset pairing.  HSP/HFP/AVRCP/A2DP and more
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 06ULTRASE on August 22, 2013, 02:08:04 PM
Well I got a first hand look at the 2014's today, they aren't on my wish list. Looks like HD hired Arlen Ness after Willie G retired. They look a LOT like the Victory Cross Country. I like the latch for the saddle bags and the LED lights, other than that no thank you.  :-\
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Post by: jaymedic44 on August 22, 2013, 03:39:30 PM
14 silver
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Post by: woode on August 22, 2013, 05:01:12 PM
CB/bigger seat/ seat heaters/power locks/amplifier/heated grips/bag liners/HD luggage/cover/and the big ol' Gold key. We all know Gold is heavy, eh?
Gold key making a comeback?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: woode on August 22, 2013, 05:18:22 PM
Saw a non-CVO Limited at the local dealer today, and I liked what I saw.  I liked the aesthetic changes, and the functional ones seem well thought out.  Considering all of the features and bling that are included on the Limited, I'm not sure if I could justify the additional $13K for the CVO version.  When I am ready for a new bike in about 5 years, I will gladly even-trade my CVO Ultra for a new Limited!

I think that my biggest concern may be the inability to remove the lower fairing - ever - because of the radiator placement.  I know that theoretically the engine will be cooler, but the vents in the lower fairing are smaller than non-liquid cooled bikes, and sit right next to the hot radiators.  Time will tell if the air behind the lowers will be much cooler at all.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:19:15 PM
Simi Harley didn't have any cvo's but here are some pic's.

Tour pack leash
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:20:52 PM
Lid
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:21:32 PM
 bottom
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:22:29 PM
Under the seat
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:23:36 PM
Right side
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:24:49 PM
Left side
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:26:05 PM
Right lower
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:28:39 PM
Left lower , vent open
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:30:10 PM
Air diverted
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:31:17 PM
Close up inside lower
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:32:37 PM
Right opens, left is solid
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:34:32 PM
Non cooled bike, solid panel
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:36:05 PM
Tourpack
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:38:16 PM
That's about it, seat was way more comfortable then any of the last stock seats I have sat on.
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 05:40:15 PM
Oh, and then  the vent has a button on the inside left to open and close vent.
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Post by: firefighter156 on August 22, 2013, 07:02:31 PM
Thank you for posting the Pics.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2013, 07:09:10 PM
I wonder on the non-cooled bikes if that solid panel is removable to allow more airflow in warmer weather?  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 22, 2013, 07:14:06 PM
Oh, and then  the vent has a button on the inside left to open and close vent.
Thanks for this photo best one yet showing the vent from riders viewpoint. Looks like the airstream is going to be directed up along the inside of the windshield vs directly at the rider. It would be interesting to see this concept in a wind tunnel with the vent open and closed (like earlier model batwings).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: naitram on August 22, 2013, 07:26:06 PM
Tourpack


is the TP "wedged" up for shipping?
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Post by: BigLew55 on August 22, 2013, 07:43:46 PM

is the TP "wedged" up for shipping?
Yes.
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Post by: 110Mofo on August 22, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
Neck
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Post by: Billy on August 22, 2013, 08:50:23 PM
I saw that they changed the glove box doors to latch without snaps  on the ultra.   Billy
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVOStreetglide on August 22, 2013, 09:25:49 PM
I am wondering what will happen when it rains or road dirt and grime, leaves--etc are sucked into the opening--open or closed.

Jerry

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on August 22, 2013, 09:38:19 PM
Thanks for this photo best one yet showing the vent from riders viewpoint. Looks like the airstream is going to be directed up along the inside of the windshield vs directly at the rider. It would be interesting to see this concept in a wind tunnel  with the vent open and closed (like earlier model batwings).

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:

Kinda of sort of what you asked for....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LC110 on August 22, 2013, 09:38:43 PM
Wife and I went for a ride to a couple dealerships today.
Did not see any CVO's saw a number of H2O 103 Limited's.
Looked around the bike okay not to bad.(wife's words). Could careless about the sound and information system.
We get to the back of the bike and OMG! Looks Like unfinished business.
They can change the fairing, but still run the same taillight they have had for how many decades?
They need to make this kit available for the 2014 real quick. http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/cvo-rear-fender-system#tabs
One good thing about the 2014 that the wife and I agreed on. We will be riding the 09 SERG for a while yet.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SBB on August 22, 2013, 09:49:24 PM
Kinda of sort of what you asked for....

Scott

That is exactly the reason there is a vent.
I have seen the video from Harley and that new vent makes sense.

 :2vrolijk_21:

SBB


Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2013, 10:13:27 PM
Kinda of sort of what you asked for....

Kind a like hitting the defrost button.   ;)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 22, 2013, 10:16:42 PM
BTW, I'm taking a 2014 Limited for about an hour or so ride in the morning and I will report back my findings.

If there is anything in particular you want me to check out, please feel free to let me know.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 22, 2013, 11:47:03 PM
Took a ride today to my primary dealership...The owner gave me the new brochure along with a single sheet illustrating all the improvements. Overall, I was impressed. This is what I was told. The liquid cooling is for the exhaust valves, that is all that is liquid cooled. They dropped the oil cooler on the liquid cooled bikes, kept the oil cooler on the other models. I was also told that Harley addressed the crank bearings, all the 2014's have improved crank bearings. The small radiators in the lowers vent to the outside, I don't think they will cause heat issues for the legs. I really liked the lower vents. The fairing vent worked well too. A simple button opens and closes, not to hard to clean the passage way. The front neck looked beefier, the inside fairing was painted gloss black; with the new gauges the dash looked real nice, I really think it looked as nice as a CVO. The tour pack was larger, loved the new hinges. Looked real good, the turn signals are now in the tour pack. I was told that Harley was working on a way to add turn signals below, should a owner wish to remove the tourpack. The side bags look real nice, they open and close real easy. The brackets also looked better. Overall, this is one of the nicest touring bikes Harley has ever built. I would bet that the 2014's are real popular, the Limited is going to be the big seller. I would bet that the CVO's have a bit less demand, the Limited comes real close in content. For more than 10 grand additional, you get nicer paint, power locks, nicer wheels and more chrome. Time will tell.

The number one question: how does the 2014 limited ride and run? If the bike runs stronger and delivers added riding enjoyment; they will have a hit. If the bike requires "adjustments" to run well, I think it will hurt the sales. This bike needs to run well as delivered. No big heat issues, no pinging and adequate power.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVORoadKing2013 on August 23, 2013, 05:46:50 AM
Havent seen anyone point this out yet

I looked at the 2014 at the dealer yesterday. Looks like Harley listened and addressed the issue of bags being stolen. It looks like the pins are shielded and hidden so you can not access them from the outside. :orange: :huepfenjump3: :mango: :bananarock:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 23, 2013, 05:49:03 AM
Havent seen anyone point this out yet

I looked at the 2014 at the dealer yesterday. Looks like Harley listened and addressed the issue of bags being stolen. It looks like the pins are shielded and hidden so you can not access them from the outside. :orange: :huepfenjump3: :mango: :bananarock:
I did see that last night. I pointed it out on one of the threads but not this one. I do love that feature also.  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: tlr on August 23, 2013, 08:00:29 AM
I agree with Scott on many of his points.  Nothing is perfect here for sure.  the changes on the surface look good, although I am not sure if the mods for cooling will offer the benefit that we all are looking for. My other concern that has been pointed out is that these changes are only a band-aid and that full cooling is coming??  I don't want to constantly chase the prize, so go 100% or don't go. In other words if they continue to mod the engine and cooling it will frustrate many of us.  Anyway, the aesthetic changes do look good.  The bike has a fresh and updated look.  The gauges look like they came from a car and have a fresh look to them.  I am going to stay on the side lines for now and watch and learn.  If SG CVO comes back next year, well....we will see.  Peace out.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Spiderman on August 23, 2013, 08:05:58 AM
Saw a 2014 Street Glide yesterday at LA Harley in Lewiston Maine. The hole in the fairing below the windshield is not as fugly as I thought it would be but I still don't like it. It's just one more step toward Harleys looking like the metric bikes. But you know, that's just my opinion and I'm not a buyer so my opinion doesn't count for sqaut in the Ivory Tower of H-D Inc's poobahs.

B B
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Boatman on August 23, 2013, 08:13:50 AM

Anyway, the aesthetic changes do look good.  The bike has a fresh and updated look.
 

I feel the same way but have not seen one in person yet.  From website pictures, when you look at the lower fairings straight on, it makes the bike look really wide.  I think that is why the saddlebags and tour pack are bigger to make the lowers and fairing look in proportion.

I think if you park a 2013 CVO Ultra next to the 2014 CVO Ultra, the 2013 may look like a bagged softail.

After riding all day, my bike is too large.

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: tlr on August 23, 2013, 08:26:43 AM
One other comment on the 14's.  Although the shape of the bags look fine, one thing i really don't like is that they are too high off from the pipes.  They look like they have been raised a couple inches, not a good look, IMHO. 

Boatman, I know what you are referring to, but in person the lowers do not look too wide.  I am bummed however that we can put speakers in them anymore, at least on the Limited. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: mark on August 23, 2013, 08:35:20 AM
Saw a 2014 Street Glide yesterday at LA Harley in Lewiston Maine. The hole in the fairing below the windshield is not as fugly as I thought it would be but I still don't like it. It's just one more step toward Harleys looking like the metric bikes. But you know, that's just my opinion and I'm not a buyer so my opinion doesn't count for sqaut in the Ivory Tower of H-D Inc's poobahs.

B B
I still think they could have made the mail slot less noticible by letting the painted surface recess into the slot, rather than having that black plastic ring encircling the opening, thus making it visible from the outside....hope my description makes sense.  Other than the mail slot, the styling changes are subtle and stylish.  It does seem (to me anyway) if the MoCo is going to water cooling, they might as well go "all in" and water cool everything.  Not really sure if it's worth the effort and expense (expense in initial cost and radiator maintence) for only cooling the exhaust port.  Really, if you've got to have a radiator on a bike shouldn't you maximize that by water cooling the entire engine?


Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on August 23, 2013, 08:44:13 AM
Kinda of sort of what you asked for....
Thanks, that gives me a visual. :2vrolijk_21: Now... wonder how one of the freedom, clearview, or other "lipped" windshields will affect those dynamics.

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jimcb1 on August 23, 2013, 08:53:24 AM
how do you know it is water, it could be oil ?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on August 23, 2013, 08:58:12 AM
how do you know it is water, it could be oil ?
What is oil?  If you're talking about the new bikes, it is H2O based, and probably Dex-Cool coolant.  They also list thier HD coolant for V-Rod and Twin-Cooled enginges in the P&A catalog.

Is that what you were looking for?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: LC110 on August 23, 2013, 09:18:32 AM
Quote
The number one question: how does the 2014 limited ride and run? If the bike runs stronger and delivers added riding enjoyment; they will have a hit. If the bike requires "adjustments" to run well, I think it will hurt the sales. This bike needs to run well as delivered. No big heat issues, no pinging and adequate power.

After seeing this dyno on the 2014 H2o 103 from Steve Cole, Unfortunately they are not all that the MOCO is bragging about.
For reference a stock Air Cooled 103 (2013) Dyno Max. Horsepower: 68.1 @ 5000 rpm
Max. Torque: 85.2 @ 3600 rpm.  So not a lot of difference.
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87788.0;attach=246047;image)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: shelby500 on August 23, 2013, 09:31:59 AM
Dealer was on the dyno with two 14's yesterday the street glide had 72/89 and the limited had 74/90.  :nixweiss: Not a happy dyno either!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: firefighter156 on August 23, 2013, 09:48:29 AM
Thank you very much for the Dyno info  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 23, 2013, 10:01:54 AM
Dealer was on the dyno with two 14's yesterday the street glide had 72/89 and the limited had 74/90.  :nixweiss: Not a happy dyno either!

I'll believe Steve Cole's dyno numbers more than ANY dealer's...

Of course, the Limited that Steve dynoed was a CA model... that might be the difference.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2013, 12:31:48 PM
Was at the dealer (K'ville HD) this morning getting my radio replaced on Ginger (long story....tell it later) and had a chance to get a couple pics of the new bag mounting system.  First is the rear bag mount.  Also, in the picture you can see the new system for the detachable mechanism.  The long slits on the chrome piece come out and the mount goes into the slot...makes it a bit more "formal" than just hanging it on like the previous system....looks good with the 4 point mounted, too

Looks like the new mounting system (as mentioned in a couple of previous posts) is the factory answer and will go a long way to eliminate the stolen bag issues...time will tell.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 23, 2013, 12:35:24 PM
And the front mount.  Took this one because as you can see, the MoCo has moved the air filler for the rear shocks to a more usable location....very good change for those that like the stock air suspension.

Also had a chance to play with the radio (this was on a new standard SG) and like it.  MUCH more sound out of the two speakers.  Also, looks like HK is still the radio manufacture.  I was not aware of it but the BOOM brand name was a HK trademark for the speakers/radio supplied to Harley.  Since the radio upgrade (and standard on the limited/CVO) is BOOM, they are still assuming that HK still makes it....guess we will have to remove one to actually see as there ain't nuttin' anywhere else saying who makes the units.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110Mofo on August 23, 2013, 12:45:36 PM
Just another pic
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Post by: JCZ on August 23, 2013, 02:23:12 PM
Just another pic

That looks good right there.  But for the SESG owners that are going to retro-fit, they'll have to get it painted to match to go along with the custom look of no chrome (or less chrome) is better. :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on August 23, 2013, 06:10:51 PM
I'll believe Steve Cole's dyno numbers more than ANY dealer's...

Of course, the Limited that Steve dynoed was a CA model... that might be the difference.

Ken
If if feels good by the seat of the pants... :sauer021:...the NUMBERS    ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 23, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
Well, my hour demo ride today turned into a 3 hour journey... My dealer almost put out an A.P.B. on me!  When I arrived at the store my dealer handed me the key to his '14 Limited and said to go and have fun.  So I did.

Great riding bike for sure.
I really like the new bags and TourPac... Streamline look and easy to operate with one hand.
Very comfortable seat for the rider and can only imagine that the BSR's out there will love their seat as well.  Lots more room and great back support.
The "stock" retractable TP lid strap seems way more secure than the accessory one most of us purchased.
Smooth shifting, but certainly no need to have a readout on which gear I'm in.
Mail slot did reduce the buffeting but did not eliminate it.  Actually my recurve shield does a much better job.
Speaking of the mail slot, I'm sure many will have their colour matched to hide it from the front and it is a wonder why on the Limited with a painted inner fairing they did not paint the opening slot to match???
Stereo pushes some pretty awesome sound and clearly heard at all speeds.
Many of the handlebar controls have changed locations which was a bit annoying until I got onto them.  There is a trigger switch on top of the left switch housing to display the trip meters, DTE, etc. which I completely forgot about, but is a much better place to have it rather than on the inner fairing.
There are 6 switches on the lower inner fairing and the ONLY one that is functional is for the passing lamps???  This would indicate that there's more to come for their uses.

Now for the "infotainment" center and gauges... I wonder how much real life testing has been done?  Although the numbers in the speedo and tach are bigger and easier to read, I found them very difficult to read with all the reflection coming off of them.  I could see more of myself and the sky behind me than the actual dial.  I think with the inner fairing being shallower and gauges more exposed to the sunlight doesn't help and most likely it is also due to the angle which they sit (tipped upward rather than more straight like we're used to - if that makes any sense.  Also, the bike I was riding had less than 100 miles on it and I could see so many finger prints all over the 6.5" screen that with the same reflection made it even harder to see what I was suppose to see.  Not to mention messing with the screen so much while riding is not the safest thing to be doing.
I also found the whole inner fairing to be rather plain with so much flat plastic everywhere.

There are many new features that I really like, but also many that I question what is the need for a lot of it is?  What happened to that saying "screw it, let's ride"?  Personally I have no desire to answer my cell phone while riding... After all, part of the reason why I ride is to get away from everyday life, enjoy the scenery and simply enjoy the joy of riding!

I also question why anyone would pay so much more for a CVO when the Limited has almost as much on it, and what it doesn't have you could do for a whole lot less with the exception of the 110 vs. 103.  But then again, some would argue that the 103 is a better engine.

Furthermore, I don't know why anyone would buy an Ultra (basically a Classic with lowers) and not a Limited which has so much more?  Better stereo, CB, water cooled, etc.  I believe the Ultra's days are numbered.  The Limited is definitely going to be the big seller this year, IMHO.

All in all, the Limited I rode was a super riding bike with a lot of nice features for both rider and passenger.  However I think I will wait till 2015 to purchase a 50th Anniversary Electra Glide and by then any bugs that may appear this year will be addressed.

PS - I almost forgot one of the best features... The amp is no longer under the seat (at least on the Limited and I was informed that the CVO is the same) which is great for those who want a quick release TourPac.   :2vrolijk_21:

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 23, 2013, 09:42:49 PM
Scott

That is exactly the reason there is a vent.
I have seen the video from Harley and that new vent makes sense.

 :2vrolijk_21:

SBB




I fully agree it makes sense, and will work for some.

The new wind splitter windshields on the 13 and 14 CVO King are the same concept and Idea, with lots of wind tunnel testing.  Talking with other CVO King owners, the wind splitter is great if your 5'8" or less, works just like Harley says.  If your like me, 6'2", the wind noise is so loud you can hear the sound system, so loud and so much buffeting I went to a 3/4 helmet and face shield for that bike.  I have always just worn a beanie.  Still do on my road glide and fatboy.

So I am sure it on the new Bat wing bikes will work great for some riders, but if like most harley designs, not so good for people 5'10" and taller.

I am very curious to see how it works in person on a ride.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: WildClyde on August 24, 2013, 12:29:30 AM
The new radios have been added to the radio software update page:
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Genuine_Motor_Accessories/advanced-audio-system.html (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Genuine_Motor_Accessories/advanced-audio-system.html)

BOOM! BOX 4.3
BOOM! BOX 6.5GT
BOOM! BOX 6.5GT CVO

Anyone know where they came up with the numbering scheme?

Being the curious guy that I am I downloaded the software for the 6.5GT CVO radio. I poked around and found four ring tones (my favorite is Ring3.mp3 ;D ) with their corresponding names in the Select Ring Tone menu:

www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring1.mp3 (http://www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring1.mp3) - Rain
www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring2.mp3 (http://www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring2.mp3) - Suspense
www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring3.mp3 (http://www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring3.mp3) - Rave
www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring4.mp3 (http://www.azebra.com/download/hd/Ring4.mp3) - Xylo

Clyde
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 24, 2013, 12:40:44 AM
BOOM! BOX 4.3
BOOM! BOX 6.5GT
BOOM! BOX 6.5GT CVO

Anyone know where they came up with the numbering scheme?


Clyde

I think the numbering system is just the screen size.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CVO2012 on August 24, 2013, 01:53:12 AM
I didn't like really the deluxe cvo, for spending that much money on such a bike, they should ve had at least replace that white wall tires and rims with a better looking wheels
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: WildClyde on August 24, 2013, 06:01:30 AM
Quote
I think the numbering system is just the screen size.

Note to myself, "Duh!"

You are correct. Why didn't I think of that?

Clyde
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: skratch on August 24, 2013, 06:28:56 AM
PS - I almost forgot one of the best features... The amp is no longer under the seat (at least on the Limited and I was informed that the CVO is the same) which is great for those who want a quick release TourPac.   :2vrolijk_21:


since you had such extensive experience, maybe you can answer this question.  it looks like from the website that the turn signals are integrated into the tourpack and that there are no turn signals mounted by the taillight.  i noticed as well that in the p&a catalog, you can purchase solid color matched filler strips.

so, in short, what are those 'holes' in the back for?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 24, 2013, 07:28:29 AM
since you had such extensive experience, maybe you can answer this question.  it looks like from the website that the turn signals are integrated into the tourpack and that there are no turn signals mounted by the taillight.  i noticed as well that in the p&a catalog, you can purchase solid color matched filler strips.

so, in short, what are those 'holes' in the back for?

Yes you are correct... The turn signals are integrated into the TP lights and there is no rear light bar on the Limited and Ultra.  I was informed that lights to insert in the chrome pieces between the bags and fender are coming for those who want more lights.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BryantH on August 24, 2013, 11:46:54 AM

Grizzly,

I would also like to know your thoughts on the handling and braking.
Thanks
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 24, 2013, 12:36:29 PM
Grizzly, when you took the new Limited on your 3 hour hiatus what were your impressions of the "high output 103"? Also what were your impressions of engine heat on the twin cooled motor?  

Good questions from both you & Bryant and I should have touched on this with my review...  When I took the Limited out the temp was mid-70's, so it wasn't a real hot day.  I rode my own bike to the dealership so that I could compare the ride, heat. wind buffeting, etc. to the 14 I was about to mount.  Obviously the newer bike rode much smoother and I really noticed how much better it handled in the corners.  I didn't notice much difference in the braking although I believe they have moved the rear brake peddle slightly back and closer to the rider.  The 103 performed flawlessly and had plenty of get-up-and-go which is another reason I wondered about paying the extra for a CVO version.  At one point as I was thoroughly enjoying my cruise down the highway I looked at the speedo and was shocked at how fast I was going!

As previously mentioned, I feel my recurve windshield works better in reducing wind buffeting than the mail slot vent.  The lower fairing vents in the 14 even though they are smaller than mine actually pushed more air around my legs keeping them cooler.  This maybe why I didn't notice any excess heat from the engine and certainly did not feel any heat on me from the rads.  On the upper side of the lower fairings there are cut outs to dispense the heat from the rads.  The lowers are a touch wider on the 14's and therefore these cut outs are further away from your legs and only when you put your hand over them to you feel the heat, which isn't that much.

Actually I didn't really think too much about it being a twin cooled bike, so I guess that means they've done a really good job incorporating it into the new bikes.

Hope this answers your concerns.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 24, 2013, 12:51:38 PM

...
Actually I didn't really think too much about it being a twin cooled bike, so I guess that means they've done a really good job incorporating it into the new bikes.

Hope this answers your concerns.

That's good news to hear that you didn't notice the heat coming from the radiators! Maybe they got it right with the Twin Cooling.  :2vrolijk_21:

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: charles05663 on August 24, 2013, 02:27:34 PM
Air diverted

I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs?  Are your feet/legs going to the hot?

 :oops: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: Re: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 24, 2013, 02:30:57 PM
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs?  Are your feet/legs going to the hot?

 :oops: :nixweiss:
Damn good question...???

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Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 24, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs?  Are your feet/legs going to the hot?

 :oops: :nixweiss:

Yes, another good question.  The Limited I rode yesterday did not have highway pegs installed.  With the lower fairings being a little wider to allow for the rads, I think most will install the pegs lower on the bar and therefore your legs will sit a little lower, most likely below the opening and heat does rise, so you should not feel any heat.  Won't know for sure until someone actually tries it though.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: CowboyBagger on August 24, 2013, 04:02:50 PM
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs?  Are your feet/legs going to the hot?

 :oops: :nixweiss:

I see a lot of people set their pegs so their heel rests on the boards, I know I do, so there shouldn't be a problem with heat coming from the lower vents.  Especially going down the highway.

Cowboy
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 24, 2013, 05:07:43 PM
I see a lot of people set their pegs so their heel rests on the boards, I know I do, so there shouldn't be a problem with heat coming from the lower vents.  Especially going down the highway.

Cowboy

I have the long-angled peg mounts, set like that, and I ride heel-toe 90% of the time. But even if I put my whole boot up on my pegs, it would still be well under those radiator output vents. Wouldn't be a problem.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 24, 2013, 06:21:24 PM
I wonder what this is going to do if you install highway pegs?  Are your feet/legs going to the hot?

 :oops: :nixweiss:

So much more of the crash bar is covered by the lower/radiator-housing I actually wasn't sure if we could install highway pegs.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on August 24, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
I've always run longer reach pegs low and shorter reach pegs high...  With the low pegs, I generally place my heal on the floorboards... 


Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BryantH on August 24, 2013, 08:39:17 PM

Thanks for the response Grizzly..........
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Black Diamond on August 24, 2013, 10:23:56 PM
So much more of the crash bar is covered by the lower/radiator-housing I actually wasn't sure if we could install highway pegs.

There appears to be just enough room.  Now how far you can angle them in for a short legged riders???  I think it can be done, time will tell.  Pic 1  CVO Limited
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Black Diamond on August 24, 2013, 10:24:28 PM
2

Appears they may have to stick out some to get around the fairing.

JW
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 25, 2013, 06:20:13 AM
There appears to be just enough room.  Now how far you can angle them in for a short legged riders???  I think it can be done, time will tell.  Pic 1  CVO Limited

2

Appears they may have to stick out some to get around the fairing.

JW

Looking at these two pix it would be damn tight for sure. I use mine way too much to not have highway pegs.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: brwk on August 25, 2013, 09:06:04 AM
Items like this makes me wonder how much actual rider input was used or even requested.  And then if rider input was used, who where these people?  :inquisitive:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 25, 2013, 09:41:14 AM
I must say I get a big kick out of some of these posts.  Without anybody even trying to put highway pegs on yet, the MOCO is being questioned as to whether they had any rider input.  Sure, if you actually can't put highway pegs on, then I would want to know what they were thinking too.  From the photos, I don't see any difference from prior years and it looks like they will fit the same as they always have.  Does the bike come with them?  If so, then I would say that pretty much guarantees that they fit there. 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 25, 2013, 10:02:03 AM
I must say I get a big kick out of some of these posts.  Without anybody even trying to put highway pegs on yet, the MOCO is being questioned as to whether they had any rider input.  Sure, if you actually can't put highway pegs on, then I would want to know what they were thinking too.  From the photos, I don't see any difference from prior years and it looks like they will fit the same as they always have.  Does the bike come with them?  If so, then I would say that pretty much guarantees that they fit there. 

Excellent point... The H-D website clearly show highway pegs on the CVO Limited.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 2harleys on August 25, 2013, 10:48:22 AM
Well, my hour demo ride today turned into a 3 hour journey... My dealer almost put out an A.P.B. on me!  When I arrived at the store my dealer handed me the key to his '14 Limited and said to go and have fun.  So I did.

Great riding bike for sure.
I really like the new bags and TourPac... Streamline look and easy to operate with one hand.
Very comfortable seat for the rider and can only imagine that the BSR's out there will love their seat as well.  Lots more room and great back support.
The "stock" retractable TP lid strap seems way more secure than the accessory one most of us purchased.
Smooth shifting, but certainly no need to have a readout on which gear I'm in.
Mail slot did reduce the buffeting but did not eliminate it.  Actually my recurve shield does a much better job.
Speaking of the mail slot, I'm sure many will have their colour matched to hide it from the front and it is a wonder why on the Limited with a painted inner fairing they did not paint the opening slot to match???
Stereo pushes some pretty awesome sound and clearly heard at all speeds.
Many of the handlebar controls have changed locations which was a bit annoying until I got onto them.  There is a trigger switch on top of the left switch housing to display the trip meters, DTE, etc. which I completely forgot about, but is a much better place to have it rather than on the inner fairing.
There are 6 switches on the lower inner fairing and the ONLY one that is functional is for the passing lamps???  This would indicate that there's more to come for their uses.

Now for the "infotainment" center and gauges... I wonder how much real life testing has been done?  Although the numbers in the speedo and tach are bigger and easier to read, I found them very difficult to read with all the reflection coming off of them.  I could see more of myself and the sky behind me than the actual dial.  I think with the inner fairing being shallower and gauges more exposed to the sunlight doesn't help and most likely it is also due to the angle which they sit (tipped upward rather than more straight like we're used to - if that makes any sense.  Also, the bike I was riding had less than 100 miles on it and I could see so many finger prints all over the 6.5" screen that with the same reflection made it even harder to see what I was suppose to see.  Not to mention messing with the screen so much while riding is not the safest thing to be doing.
I also found the whole inner fairing to be rather plain with so much flat plastic everywhere.

There are many new features that I really like, but also many that I question what is the need for a lot of it is?  What happened to that saying "screw it, let's ride"?  Personally I have no desire to answer my cell phone while riding... After all, part of the reason why I ride is to get away from everyday life, enjoy the scenery and simply enjoy the joy of riding!

I also question why anyone would pay so much more for a CVO when the Limited has almost as much on it, and what it doesn't have you could do for a whole lot less with the exception of the 110 vs. 103.  But then again, some would argue that the 103 is a better engine.

Furthermore, I don't know why anyone would buy an Ultra (basically a Classic with lowers) and not a Limited which has so much more?  Better stereo, CB, water cooled, etc.  I believe the Ultra's days are numbered.  The Limited is definitely going to be the big seller this year, IMHO.

All in all, the Limited I rode was a super riding bike with a lot of nice features for both rider and passenger.  However I think I will wait till 2015 to purchase a 50th Anniversary Electra Glide and by then any bugs that may appear this year will be addressed.

PS - I almost forgot one of the best features... The amp is no longer under the seat (at least on the Limited and I was informed that the CVO is the same) which is great for those who want a quick release TourPac.   :2vrolijk_21:




Why would you be "messing" with the touchscreen while riding??  I was told by the MOCO reps yesterday that the touch screen is de-activated while moving??
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Robmay on August 25, 2013, 11:29:52 AM
Couple of questions. It seems as though much of the info getting splashed around the site is contradictory. For example: some say the sound system is the same on the CVO Limited and the Ultra Limited but on the comparison chart posted in another thread it shows 25 watts per channel on the Ultra Limited and the Ultra vs. 75 watts on the CVO Limited. It also shows the AMP as standard on the CVO Limited but optional on the other two. Then I read the AMP was still under the TP somewhere here and then it is not.

Personally looked at one in Daytona yesterday (Ultra Limited, Black). There was no AMP under the TP. Did it even have one? Don't know. Heard so much "talk" from 4 different sales people demoing the bike to others that I figured asking anything about the bike wasn't going to gain me any useful information. One sales person even agreed to a this statement from a potential buyer: "So the water cooled heads eliminates the heat on the riders?" ...."yep!" ..."Guaranteed?" ...."yep!"... lol.

Anyway, whats the skinny? AMP under the TP yes or no? 75 vs 25 watts per channel?

A side note: even if the AMP is not located under the TP, I can't see removing it as the turn signals are located in the TP and not on the fender anymore. I can't understand why the wouldn't add that to the fender/saddlebag gap area instead of an open slot.

I too am wondering why pay the extra 10-13k for a CVO....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 25, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
Excellent point... The H-D website clearly show highway pegs on the CVO Limited.

LOL... they surely wouldn't miss the opportunity to sell more pegs! Plus, they'd have a whole lot of UNHAPPY customers if there were no option to put them on...

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Black Diamond on August 25, 2013, 11:50:29 AM
I must say I get a big kick out of some of these posts.  Without anybody even trying to put highway pegs on yet, the MOCO is being questioned as to whether they had any rider input.  Sure, if you actually can't put highway pegs on, then I would want to know what they were thinking too.  From the photos, I don't see any difference from prior years and it looks like they will fit the same as they always have.  Does the bike come with them?  If so, then I would say that pretty much guarantees that they fit there. 

My post was based on looking at a Limited on the showroom floor.  The new lowers are wider.  As I said, I'm wondering if the highway pegs would have to be flared outbound to get around the width.  This is a concern when you have stubby legs.

My assumption is HD looked at this prior during mock up.  However, I assumed HD would keep the rider's back rest on their two piece seats on touring models when they brought them out.  I feel this forum is a good place to voice my thoughts.  We've been known to help each other a lot here with our thoughts and prior experiences.  I've seen the new HD's.  My impressions is good overall.   

JW
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 25, 2013, 12:11:14 PM

Why would you be "messing" with the touchscreen while riding??  I was told by the MOCO reps yesterday that the touch screen is de-activated while moving??

Simple answer is: Because it's there.

I found it easier (felt quicker & safer) to touch the screen rather than figure out how the joysticks and other buttons operate... I was shown in a 5 minute demo prior to leaving, but soon forgot everything being thrilled with the ride quality.  With all the changes, there's lots to learn.  I'm certain once I took the time to figured everything out with the handlebar controls, I would always use them rather than putting more fingers prints on the screen making it even harder to read with so much reflection.  I'm not sure what to say regarding the MoCo reps comments to you... The touch screen appeared to do everything I tried while in motion.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: GregKhougaz on August 25, 2013, 12:26:47 PM
Harley's photo re changes:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 25, 2013, 01:17:47 PM
Wasn't sure, based on the picture, if many of the old fatter clamps would fit.  Still not actually.  Was actually wondering if perhaps some new skinny clamp type with maybe an extended arm might be in the offing.  Something else to buy....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on August 25, 2013, 01:51:13 PM

Why would you be "messing" with the touchscreen while riding??  I was told by the MOCO reps yesterday that the touch screen is de-activated while moving??

And the mis-information begins!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 25, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
 
Maybe they've been riding too many Goldwings? :nixweiss: :nervous: :oops:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 25, 2013, 02:05:06 PM
Couple of questions. It seems as though much of the info getting splashed around the site is contradictory. For example: some say the sound system is the same on the CVO Limited and the Ultra Limited but on the comparison chart posted in another thread it shows 25 watts per channel on the Ultra Limited and the Ultra vs. 75 watts on the CVO Limited. It also shows the AMP as standard on the CVO Limited but optional on the other two. Then I read the AMP was still under the TP somewhere here and then it is not.

Personally looked at one in Daytona yesterday (Ultra Limited, Black). There was no AMP under the TP. Did it even have one? Don't know. Heard so much "talk" from 4 different sales people demoing the bike to others that I figured asking anything about the bike wasn't going to gain me any useful information. One sales person even agreed to a this statement from a potential buyer: "So the water cooled heads eliminates the heat on the riders?" ...."yep!" ..."Guaranteed?" ...."yep!"... lol.

Anyway, whats the skinny? AMP under the TP yes or no? 75 vs 25 watts per channel?

A side note: even if the AMP is not located under the TP, I can't see removing it as the turn signals are located in the TP and not on the fender anymore. I can't understand why the wouldn't add that to the fender/saddlebag gap area instead of an open slot.

I too am wondering why pay the extra 10-13k for a CVO....

CVO=75 watts per channel        Ultra Ltd=25 watts per channel
From the 360 degree photo on the HD website, there is no amp under the tourpak on any model, which means it's inside the fairing on the CVO.  The Ultra Ltd has 25 watts per channel and that's either direct from the head unit or a lower powered amp in the fairing.  The answer to that is not listed on the HD website.  

The turn signals on the CVO are still by the taillamp, but on the Ultra Ltd, only on the tourpak.  I don't know if there is also a turn signal function built into the tourpak on the CVO's.  If not, that would be one that would not make sense.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 25, 2013, 02:13:21 PM

Why would you be "messing" with the touchscreen while riding??  I was told by the MOCO reps yesterday that the touch screen is de-activated while moving??

Isn't there a setup on Garmin that won't allow you to do anything while moving?  Maybe Harley has the same thing.  I'm pretty sure I remember something like that when I originally bought my Zumo 550.  I'm thinking I had to override it to be able to enter anything while moving.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 25, 2013, 02:24:35 PM
 
There is.  It's called "safe mode," or something to that effect.  But it is switchable in the settings.  Automotive in-dash GPS systems do not have this capability, however, and are always in "safe mode."  It will be interesting to see if the new Harley unit has it or not.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 25, 2013, 02:32:24 PM

There is.  It's called "safe mode," or something to that effect.  But it is switchable in the settings.  Automotive in-dash GPS systems do not have this capability, however, and are always in "safe mode."  It will be interesting to see if the new Harley unit has it or not.


I have an in-dash GPS system in my Honda Pilot and I can change routes while driving.  I don't remember ever seeing an option on it for a safe mode.  Actually, I'd be kind of pissed off if I had to stop to enter a new destination, even though I know it's obviously not the safest thing to be doing while driving.  I think I'd rather have someone playing with the GPS for a few seconds rather than having someone texting the entire time they are driving.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 25, 2013, 02:46:05 PM
 
Will it let you search for a city / restaurant / gas station while moving? 
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 25, 2013, 03:54:16 PM

Will it let you search for a city / restaurant / gas station while moving? 


Absolutely....and places to shop and Dr Offices and points of interest, etc.  Everything that it does standing still.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110tHunDer on August 25, 2013, 04:09:52 PM
 
Well, I stand corrected.  I wish mine were as useful when rolling. :(
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: charles05663 on August 25, 2013, 04:18:52 PM
...
A side note: even if the AMP is not located under the TP, I can't see removing it as the turn signals are located in the TP and not on the fender anymore. I can't understand why the wouldn't add that to the fender/saddlebag gap area instead of an open slot.

I too am wondering why pay the extra 10-13k for a CVO....

I am sure they did this so they could sell more add-on turn signals to people who what to remove the tourpak.

 :oops: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: charles05663 on August 25, 2013, 04:21:27 PM
Wasn't sure, based on the picture, if many of the old fatter clamps would fit.  Still not actually.  Was actually wondering if perhaps some new skinny clamp type with maybe an extended arm might be in the offing.  Something else to buy....

I was thinking the same thing too.  It would not surprise me if they had a new clamp design that is only sold with a new set of pegs.  That way anybody who tries to move their pegs from an old bike to the new bikes will be SOL.

 :oops: :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 25, 2013, 05:20:19 PM
Will the new "Limited" smart phone slot accept Android as well as Apple smartphones? It looks like Apple only; not sure. They sell more Android phones than Apple, not sure why Harley went that way, if they did.

Scott
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 25, 2013, 06:35:28 PM
Will the new "Limited" smart phone slot accept Android as well as Apple smartphones? It looks like Apple only; not sure. They sell more Android phones than Apple, not sure why Harley went that way, if they did.

Scott

Again, just speculating since I've not seen the connector, but I would assume that IF they made a connector for the Apple product "built in" to the radio back end, that you could still hook in via the USB port?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 25, 2013, 06:36:15 PM

Well, I stand corrected.  I wish mine were as useful when rolling. :(


Mine won't do chit when moving either, Brian...all the selections are grayed out.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 25, 2013, 06:43:37 PM
So much more of the crash bar is covered by the lower/radiator-housing I actually wasn't sure if we could install highway pegs.

The short/long angled peg mounts don't take up a lot of space, once installed.  It APPEARS there is approximately the same gap there...at least where I used to mount mine...and I always made them fit in heel/toe mode for both comfort and safety, but a really long legged person could flip them outward I suppose  :nixweiss:  I have never liked my feet up too high on the pegs as it put too much pressure on my tail bone and would start it hurting...then it would take another 50 miles for it to stop.  My tail bone was always the point of any pain on any seat, even a car seat.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: brwk on August 25, 2013, 07:28:35 PM
Be careful what you say.....the speculation police might get you  :uhoh:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on August 25, 2013, 07:56:13 PM
Again, just speculating since I've not seen the connector, but I would assume that IF they made a connector for the Apple product "built in" to the radio back end, that you could still hook in via the USB port?

Pic I saw was just a USB port in there.  In to that you could plug an adapter for anything.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Cyclegirl on August 25, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
Pictures are on the Harley site of the 2014 models...their site is horrible for navigation
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 25, 2013, 08:51:03 PM
Mine won't do chit when moving either, Brian...all the selections are grayed out.

Are you guys sure you don't have a menu somewhere to take them out of safe mode?  I don't know what kind of vehicles you are driving, but I'll be checking on that before I buy a new vehicle now.  There's a pretty good price differential to have the built-in GPS and I wouldn't be real happy if I had to stop every time I wanted to change something on a route, like looking for a gas station.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: hdbrad03 on August 25, 2013, 08:53:45 PM
I rode one and I could make change as I was driving. Nothing seemed different than my 660.


 :bananarock: :bananarock:

   Brad
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on August 25, 2013, 09:04:35 PM
Pic I saw was just a USB port in there.  In to that you could plug an adapter for anything.
Saw one at bike night the other night. You're correct. All I saw was a usb plug.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLSTFI Dave on August 25, 2013, 09:35:20 PM

There is.  It's called "safe mode," or something to that effect.  But it is switchable in the settings.  Automotive in-dash GPS systems do not have this capability, however, and are always in "safe mode."  It will be interesting to see if the new Harley unit has it or not.


The one in my wifes 08 FJ cruiser we recently sold would not let you search or such when moving.  My 12 Range Rover will.


Will it let you search for a city / restaurant / gas station while moving? 


I can search anything I want in my Range Rover when moving, gas, food, city, change route, or routing preference.  Much more useful than the one that was in our FJ.

Sure hope you can do the same in Harleys new system
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SDCVO on August 25, 2013, 09:55:57 PM
Most Asian manufactors lock you out when driving where most European do not. They just give you a warning at start up
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fiberguy on August 25, 2013, 11:17:16 PM
The more I stared at the electronics, the more I liked them. Absolute control over all audio and communications. I generally would not answer a phone while riding, but it would solve the problems I have when I try to text while riding..... ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: porthole on August 25, 2013, 11:48:25 PM

There is.  It's called "safe mode," or something to that effect.  But it is switchable in the settings.  Automotive in-dash GPS systems do not have this capability, however, and are always in "safe mode."  It will be interesting to see if the new Harley unit has it or not.


At least for FoMoCo products there is "lockpick". Opens up all the features.

http://www.coastaletech.com/synclockpick.htm

On both our vehicles we can't not enter street address while moving, as well as a few others. But, I can access any saved way points.

I can in my truck enter a street address via the voice activation feature.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: porthole on August 25, 2013, 11:49:15 PM
Will the new "Limited" smart phone slot accept Android as well as Apple smartphones? It looks like Apple only; not sure. They sell more Android phones than Apple, not sure why Harley went that way, if they did.

Scott

That slot is pretty deep, I'm going to guess at least 7" long
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 26, 2013, 07:45:18 AM
That slot is pretty deep, I'm going to guess at least 7" long

At least and yes, an Android phone will fit (saleman put his Samsung Galaxy 4 in it) as well as any apple product (excluding the tablets, of course).  The plug looks like a USB so my guess is there is a pigtail that plugs into that and then into whatever phone brand you have.  I would'a plugged my iPhone in but no pigtail available for demo....
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 26, 2013, 08:23:49 AM
Couple of questions. It seems as though much of the info getting splashed around the site is contradictory. For example: some say the sound system is the same on the CVO Limited and the Ultra Limited but on the comparison chart posted in another thread it shows 25 watts per channel on the Ultra Limited and the Ultra vs. 75 watts on the CVO Limited. It also shows the AMP as standard on the CVO Limited but optional on the other two. Then I read the AMP was still under the TP somewhere here and then it is not.

Personally looked at one in Daytona yesterday (Ultra Limited, Black). There was no AMP under the TP. Did it even have one? Don't know. Heard so much "talk" from 4 different sales people demoing the bike to others that I figured asking anything about the bike wasn't going to gain me any useful information. One sales person even agreed to a this statement from a potential buyer: "So the water cooled heads eliminates the heat on the riders?" ...."yep!" ..."Guaranteed?" ...."yep!"... lol.

Anyway, whats the skinny? AMP under the TP yes or no? 75 vs 25 watts per channel?

A side note: even if the AMP is not located under the TP, I can't see removing it as the turn signals are located in the TP and not on the fender anymore. I can't understand why the wouldn't add that to the fender/saddlebag gap area instead of an open slot.

I too am wondering why pay the extra 10-13k for a CVO....

Mystery solved I believe...

I just was on the H-D website doing a comparison of the Ultra Limited and CVO Limited and this is what it said:

Ultra Limited... Watts Per Channel - 25 Watts, External Amp - P/A Upgrade, Speakers - 5.25", P/A 6.5 Upgrade
  
CVO Limited... Watts Per Channel - 75 Watts, External Amp - Standard, Speakers - 6.5"
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on August 26, 2013, 08:58:51 AM
http://www.harley-davidson.com/store/3-pocket-fairing-pouch

Should solve some of the issues recently mentioned on this and a couple other threads..... :2vrolijk_21:

And a big AMEN to the comments on the MoCo site hard to navigate....and I thought the old site was tough.  The P&A area is a pain in the butt  :wall:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: woode on August 26, 2013, 09:24:13 AM
My experience regarding GPS and Smartphones...

My 2009 Honda Fit and 2013 Ford Escape both have USB input, and both will accept input from any USB device - including thumb drives.  Both radios seem to do a better job with my iPhone as far as integration and control of the devices, but other devices work nonetheless.

My Ford has the SYNC system installed (made by Microsoft, by the way), and the Navigation system works well in my experience.  At first, I would transfer my Zumo back & forth because of familiarity, but Sync works well enough for most things.  It does block most keyboard input while moving, but it does allow you to select from POI lists, recently found items, favorites, etc.  You have to be stopped to enter a search item.  A bit of a PIA, definitely safer, but I wish it would give me an option.  I won't pay $289 for the "LockPick" mentioned by Porthole though.  If I need to type that badly, I'll just carry the Zumo with me or use the Garmen app on my iPhone.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 26, 2013, 11:27:29 AM
Pic I saw was just a USB port in there.  In to that you could plug an adapter for anything.

That makes more sense...since Androids are selling like hotcakes now.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Midnight Rider on August 26, 2013, 11:34:32 AM
Are you guys sure you don't have a menu somewhere to take them out of safe mode?  I don't know what kind of vehicles you are driving, but I'll be checking on that before I buy a new vehicle now.  There's a pretty good price differential to have the built-in GPS and I wouldn't be real happy if I had to stop every time I wanted to change something on a route, like looking for a gas station.

The thing most of the manufacturers do now is "package" the GPS functions in with the upgraded radio or "technology" package.  Mine will do a whole bunch of things, like voice commands for this and that, but the NAV functions are just not quite up to par.  It will choose different routing than my Garmin, does not show some of the smaller roads/streets, etc.  It is a CD based system though.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 110Mofo on August 26, 2013, 11:41:25 AM
Again, just speculating since I've not seen the connector, but I would assume that IF they made a connector for the Apple product "built in" to the radio back end, that you could still hook in via the USB port?
does this help?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: MrSurly on August 26, 2013, 12:49:24 PM
The Moco website can be a bit difficult. It has errors and is constantly being changed.
The following screenshot shows the wrong AC for the CVO Ltd with the correct text.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrafxr on August 26, 2013, 12:59:20 PM
The Moco website can be a bit difficult. It has errors and is constantly being changed.
The following screenshot shows the wrong AC for the CVO Ltd with the correct text.

Yeah, I saw that also.  Hope the guys/gals on the assembly line know the difference.   :nervous:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 26, 2013, 05:16:13 PM
Thanks for the help on the smartphone hook-ups, looks like the Adroid phone would work. Thanks
Scott
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: TinSpinner on August 27, 2013, 09:12:54 AM

Actually I didn't really think too much about it being a twin cooled bike, so I guess that means they've done a really good job incorporating it into the new bikes.


Could you hear the fans running in the lowers? I've had bikes in the past with radiators and when the fans kicked in you could hear them over the engine but they were metrics and much quieter than a V-twin.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: porthole on August 27, 2013, 09:20:41 AM
I won't pay $289 for the "LockPick" mentioned by Porthole though.  



Neither would I. But, there is a lot of functionality added with the lockpick, two key items are the additional camera input and DVD while moving.
I certainly would not watch a DVD while driving, but it could keep the passenger occupied  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 27, 2013, 09:23:57 AM
Could you hear the fans running in the lowers? I've had bikes in the past with radiators and when the fans kicked in you could hear them over the engine but they were metrics and much quieter than a V-twin.

That was the one thing that I was concerned about as well, because I've also been there and done that in the past with metric bikes.  Happy to report that I never heard any fans at all... Which of course is why I never gave the twin cooled another thought - just rode and enjoyed it!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 27, 2013, 09:26:16 PM
Bye, Bye 2007 CVO Ultra, here comes a new 14 Limited. I made the mistake of taking one of the new Limited twin cooled bikes for a test drive. For me; I was really amazed at the difference. much more comfortable, very responsive, everything felt tight and right......It just fit me!.... My dealer made me what I considered a fair offer for my 07 and a fair deal on the new 14. I am not going to discuss actual numbers, just that I was happy.

I know this was nuts, I really liked my 07. I just felt the 14 Limited provide enough upgrade to be worth the difference in cash. I went with the Blue custom paint option, should have by the end of the week.

For me, I could not justify the difference in money for the 14 CVO over the limited, again, that is me. Hope I can hang around the site, I have really enjoyed everyone's comments for the past 7 years.

Thanks, Scott
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on August 27, 2013, 10:16:55 PM
So I visited my local dealer today to see the new bikes in person. Saw the SG Special, regular SG, Ultra, Ultra Limited, CVO Ultra Limited, and a CVO Road King. I won't be parting ways with my '12 this year for sure.

Likes:

-Infotainment system. (I am 38 years old so I will always love a bike with more tech)
-Twin Cooled motor

On the fence:

-New bag lids. Don't like the shape or the fact that they have a worthless reflector stuck to the side of them even though they open from an inside latch on the opposite side now. Like the new way they open. Hate the fact that the CVO Ultra bags are not stretched????

-New fairing, just not sure about it.


Dislikes:

-Paint schemes, nothing grabbed me.
-New SG Special wheels, yuk
-New inner fairing just doesn't look as good as the old layout to me.
-The ugly ass filler or lack of filler panels between the rear fender and bags, WTF!  :'(
-New tour pak is fixed permanently due to the fricken stop and running lights being integrated. No more Ultras stripped down to look like a SG.


I am so glad I bought my '12. For those of you that love the new bikes, enjoy! Just not for me.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 27, 2013, 10:34:35 PM
-The ugly ass filler or lack of filler panels between the rear fender and bags, WTF!  :'(
-New tour pak is fixed permanently due to the fricken stop and running lights being integrated. No more Ultras stripped down to look like a SG.

Not so for the CVO Ultra Ltd, at least from the pics I've seen.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on August 27, 2013, 10:36:16 PM
Bye, Bye 2007 CVO Ultra, here comes a new 14 Limited. I made the mistake of taking one of the new Limited twin cooled bikes for a test drive. For me; I was really amazed at the difference. much more comfortable, very responsive, everything felt tight and right......It just fit me!.... My dealer made me what I considered a fair offer for my 07 and a fair deal on the new 14. I am not going to discuss actual numbers, just that I was happy.

I know this was nuts, I really liked my 07. I just felt the 14 Limited provide enough upgrade to be worth the difference in cash. I went with the Blue custom paint option, should have by the end of the week.

For me, I could not justify the difference in money for the 14 CVO over the limited, again, that is me. Hope I can hang around the site, I have really enjoyed everyone's comments for the past 7 years.

Thanks, Scott
Post some pics when you can.  And some with that big ol smile on your face.  ;D har.  spyder
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 27, 2013, 10:58:55 PM
Will do!, they won't have the bike for me until this weekend. I think they are doing a dealer trade to get the one I want. I love the Blue custom paint, looks closer to a CVO. I think it looks better than the two tone. Will post detailed photos when she arrives.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: trwtow on August 27, 2013, 10:59:43 PM
So I visited my local dealer today to see the new bikes in person. Saw the SG Special, regular SG, Ultra, Ultra Limited, CVO Ultra Limited, and a CVO Road King. I won't be parting ways with my '12 this year for sure.

Likes:

-Infotainment system. (I am 38 years old so I will always love a bike with more tech)
-Twin Cooled motor

On the fence:

-New bag lids. Don't like the shape or the fact that they have a worthless reflector stuck to the side of them even though they open from an inside latch on the opposite side now. Like the new way they open. Hate the fact that the CVO Ultra bags are not stretched????

-New fairing, just not sure about it.


Dislikes:

-Paint schemes, nothing grabbed me.
-New SG Special wheels, yuk
-New inner fairing just doesn't look as good as the old layout to me.
-The ugly ass filler or lack of filler panels between the rear fender and bags, WTF!  :'(
-New tour pak is fixed permanently due to the fricken stop and running lights being integrated. No more Ultras stripped down to look like a SG.


I am so glad I bought my '12. For those of you that love the new bikes, enjoy! Just not for me.


what did you think of the cvo roadking
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on August 28, 2013, 08:10:42 PM

what did you think of the cvo roadking
Well I am not a fan of Road Kings but having said that, it was the best looking '14 IMO. The new CVO taillights though, ugh! So hideous...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Spiderman on August 29, 2013, 07:44:11 AM
Well, unless it's a totally crappy day me and Dead_Reckoning and hopefully his good neighbor Mike K are gonna go to a couple of H-D dealerships and check out the 2014 lineup live and in living color. One or more of us most likely will have some comments tomorrow

B B
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: acevtwin on August 29, 2013, 09:03:25 AM
I liked the look of the new ultra tour pak, but who's Idea was it to put the (only) turn signals in it. I would want to remove sometimes.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: TinSpinner on August 29, 2013, 09:15:10 AM
Bye, Bye 2007 CVO Ultra, here comes a new 14 Limited. I made the mistake of taking one of the new Limited twin cooled bikes for a test drive. For me; I was really amazed at the difference. much more comfortable, very responsive, everything felt tight and right......It just fit me!.... My dealer made me what I considered a fair offer for my 07 and a fair deal on the new 14. I am not going to discuss actual numbers, just that I was happy.

I know this was nuts, I really liked my 07. I just felt the 14 Limited provide enough upgrade to be worth the difference in cash. I went with the Blue custom paint option, should have by the end of the week.

For me, I could not justify the difference in money for the 14 CVO over the limited, again, that is me. Hope I can hang around the site, I have really enjoyed everyone's comments for the past 7 years.

Thanks, Scott

If I hadn't traded up to a '13 SEUC this year from an '07 I probably would be looking hard at the Limited non-CVO for the same reasons you stated. There is a big difference in the newer bikes over the '07 models, very different handling, braking, etc. Saw a black Limited last week, was very impressed. Really pleased with my '13 so far, just about have it like I want it so I'll be a spectator for a while on the new design. Let us know how it works out for ya!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:24:11 PM
Rode my new 2014 Ultra Limited Home yesterday. I am really amazed at the difference over my old 2007 CVO Ultra. I am so much more comfortable, handles better, brakes better, sound system is better....I will post a few more photos. I also love the little things like; battery tender plug in a nice convenient location. The hand controls work really well, power port in the tourpack, I also love the tourpack lights.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:27:49 PM
Side shot of my 2014 Limited. This is the factory "custom" paint option. It has more metallic than the two tone bikes along with graphics. To me, it looked closer to a CVO. They have three color levels. 1. Black, 2. Two-Tone and 3. Custom. The custom option cost something like $200 More than the two-tone option.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:29:18 PM
The new tourpack on my 2014 Limited with custom paint option.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:30:27 PM
The inter fairing on my 2014 Limited
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:32:33 PM
Shows the ventilation door in the lower. Easy to open or close while riding, I have never been a fan of lowers; this one really works well, good air-flow.. Again, my 2014 Limited
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:33:31 PM
Battery Tender plug on the new 2014 Limited
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:35:42 PM
New Tourpack lights. I put on the turn signal so you could get an idea of how bright they are. My wife drove behind me in a car, she said the brake lights and turn signals really stand out. 2014 Limited.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:38:01 PM
The tool kit included with the 2014 Limited. It has a real nice tool bag as well. Much smaller and lighter than the tool bag included with my 2007 CVO.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:39:55 PM
These are the bags included with the 2014 Limited. Much nicer than those included with my 2007 CVO ultra. Not shown, they also included a headset for your helmet.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Photo taken underneath my 2014 Limited. Figured some would find interesting.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Sierramadre on August 29, 2013, 02:46:16 PM
 :pepper:

Congrats. Sweet looking ride.  Really like the color scheme.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on August 29, 2013, 02:50:23 PM
Tour Pack power outlet in the 2014 Limited. I have more but don't want to bore anyone to death. I really do like the bike, this morning I put the first 50 miles on the bike for proper brake-in, I am still amazed at the difference. The motor runs much cooler. Their is no question; the water cooled Limited runs cooler than my old 2007 CVO with the 110" motor. Cooler than my old motor ran with a dyno tune, pipes and air cleaner. Considering this bike is brand new, I can only imagine how cool it will run with some miles and synthetic oil.

I would have loved stepping up to the 2014 CVO, I just could not justify for the difference in money, for me. Without question, this bike is going to put me in the saddle more than I have been for years, their is nothing like riding a comfortable bike that does everything well.

Scott
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 29, 2013, 02:57:29 PM
BEAUTIFUL Limited, Scott! I really like the blue. I hope Chip doesn't see that I said that...  :o

I too just can't see $12K difference between your bike and the CVO Limited this year.  Frankly, I think your 103 will likely prove a more trouble-free engine than the 110 anyway.

If I were buying a Harley Touring bike this year, the Limited would be the one.  CONGRATS!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on August 29, 2013, 03:36:09 PM
Congrats Scott.  You did good opting for the custom paint.  Looks great.  spyder
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: phato1 on August 29, 2013, 07:46:55 PM
Congrats on the new bike. That factory custom color combination looks great  :2vrolijk_21:

I really like the way the new tourpack and saddlebag latches work on the 14's, seems like there will be a lot less fiddilin with them to get them open/closed.
 And yes those LED's  on the tourpack are BRIGHT, much brighter than the one on my '11, but I think I would have to add some signals down low too -- maybe some CVO Streetglide style ones to fill in the space between the bags and fender.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: dlaws01 on August 29, 2013, 07:56:34 PM
Beautiful ride.  No doubt a fine choice and with the $$$ you saved you can still customize to make it yours.  Enjoy the ride.   :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Wesleypalms on August 29, 2013, 09:34:57 PM
I'm really interested in how the new bikes ride. Thanks for sharing and you won't bore people with pictures. I remember when mine was that clean underneath.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: tlr on August 29, 2013, 09:49:59 PM
Scott. Thanks for the pics. I saw that blue at my dealer tonite. Much much better than the other colors. I did see a Road King CVO that was striking in a popping orange. Best color and paint by far for 14 so far. Good luck and congrats.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Bigfoot16 on August 29, 2013, 10:20:55 PM
Very nice looking bike!  I really like all the new lighting.  I'm trying to not like them too much since I've only had mine for 3 months.  Enjoy your new ride  8)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on August 30, 2013, 08:54:06 PM
So much more of the crash bar is covered by the lower/radiator-housing I actually wasn't sure if we could install highway pegs.

I just saw the pic of one just picked up today and he already has the highway pegs on there with no problem.  He has the same ones that I have on mine...the Harley short extended arm.  The pic below is of my bike to reference what arm he used for his pegs and what position they are mounted at.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 31, 2013, 06:40:14 AM
Loving my silver one
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SG Racer on August 31, 2013, 07:18:43 AM
Scottt,
 That is great looking ride.
Congrats.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SG Racer on August 31, 2013, 07:19:29 AM
Loving my silver one
That is a very sexy looking ride.
 Congrats.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Robmay on August 31, 2013, 07:50:22 AM
Loving my silver one

Hey look! It has highway pegs!  :P

Really nice looking ride Jay!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: woode on August 31, 2013, 08:26:58 AM
Loving my silver one
And a great looking garage!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Spiderman on August 31, 2013, 08:30:45 AM
Took a ride to Seacoast H-D with Dead_Reckoning and his neighbor Mike to look at the new 2014's. What I came away with was a wish to be small enough to be able to look normal on a Sportster. Harley-Davidson's best styling efforts for the past two model years have gone into the tricked out Sportsters (in my opinion) As to the "big" bikes, As noted elsewhere the air vent would not have been an issue had they simply moulded it into the fairing without the added extrusion AND making that extrusion black. What could have been a good add is an eyesore because the folks in design seem to think that when you add something new you want it to be noticed in a big way. On the black bikes the vent and extrusion blend together fairly well and you can see how it would have looked had somebody in Willie G's studio had his thinking cap on. Beyond that as I have noted before, each new model year seems to see the classic H-D lines being changed enough that in a couple years a H-D will look like a big Yamaha or other metric bikes. The best description I can give is they look "puffy". My 07 has sharp lines, ridges and corners that define the overall look of the bike. The 2014's I looked at seem like that guy who used to teach painting on TV designed them with his "puffy little clouds" touch. My apologies to anyone this offends, but it's what I see and how I feel about it

B B
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: woode on August 31, 2013, 08:42:15 AM
...each new model year seems to see the classic H-D lines being changed enough that in a couple years a H-D will look like a big Yamaha or other metric bikes. The best description I can give is they look "puffy".
To me it still looks like a classic Harley big touring bike.  I think they have done a good job making design changes while maintaining the "look."  Not loving the color choices, but I still think it's a great looking bike.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 31, 2013, 08:51:06 AM
Jay,

Great looking ride!  Not certain, but you just may be the first to post pics on this site of a new 2014 CVO Limited.  Congrats on a beautiful bike!  :2vrolijk_21:

Some more pics would be much appreciated. 

Enjoy your new bike.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: brwk on August 31, 2013, 09:26:46 AM
Nice bike, congrats  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 31, 2013, 10:00:51 AM
Cvo limited has rear turn signals
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 31, 2013, 10:02:02 AM
And highway pegs
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: jaymedic44 on August 31, 2013, 10:05:18 AM
I changed the wheels, stock wheels suck but the 21 from my other cvo won't fit. Front fender sits to low. PM said they are in the possess of making a bracket to raise the fender
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Opossum on August 31, 2013, 12:29:59 PM
REALLY Dig the new saddle bag release and the tour pack release.  All LED lights and the courtesy lights come on as you unlock the bags with fob and stay on until you lock. sound system is outstanding even at freeway speed. and yes there are highway pegs!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 31, 2013, 12:50:42 PM
REALLY Dig the new saddle bag release and the tour pack release.  All LED lights and the courtesy lights come on as you unlock the bags with fob and stay on until you lock. sound system is outstanding even at freeway speed. and yes there are highway pegs!

That is one gorgeous looking bike.  Congratulations!

With all the bells and whistles, I'm wondering if it also has a remote start feature?  :nixweiss:

How about some more closeup  pics of the inner fairing... Is it black or blue?

Enjoy!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: phato1 on August 31, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
REALLY Dig the new saddle bag release and the tour pack release.  All LED lights and the courtesy lights come on as you unlock the bags with fob and stay on until you lock. sound system is outstanding even at freeway speed. and yes there are highway pegs!

Dang, you had to go and post a photo of the blue one didn't you? I've been purposely avoiding looking at that one.

That is a gorgeous bike -- IMHO

Congratulations  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on August 31, 2013, 04:35:22 PM
Dang, you had to go and post a photo of the blue one didn't you? I've been purposely avoiding looking at that one.

That is a gorgeous bike -- IMHO

Congratulations  :2vrolijk_21:
Come on Phato its only MOULA... ;D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Skipper on August 31, 2013, 05:17:44 PM
Loving my silver one

Congrats on new bike. What is your first impresion on riding the bike? A specially the engine, any "They all do that" noise?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 31, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
Well, I finally got to see the '14s up close and personal today. We rode down to Killer Creek in Roswell and looked everything over.

I looked at a CVO Road King, a Street Glide, a Road King, a Breakout, a Dyna Wide Glide, an Ultra, and a Limited.

My impression now is: THESE NEW MACHINES ARE SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL! They really are.

The new lines of the front fender, the fairing and inner fairing, the saddlebags, and the Tour Pak are very modern and sleek looking.

I have never been a fan of grays... but this Limited in the Charcoal Pearl and Vivid Black looked absolutely gorgeous... very stately and elegant. Kind of an Anti-Honey Badger...

The colors are not as vivid as in previous years, though.... and the Amber Whiskey was a little disappointing. It just wasn't ORANGE enough for me. Pretty though, with a lot more yellow in it than I was expecting it to be from the pictures I've seen.

They only had the one CVO... the Road King. It was pretty, but for less money I would buy the Limited any day, and get a LOADED bike. Oh, and they had that SERK stickered at a whopping $33,499... $5000 OVER MSRP!  :vrolijk27: :stop: No thank you! I'd buy the Limited for $27K ANY DAY!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 31, 2013, 07:39:52 PM
Amber Whiskey Street Glide... Pretty color, but rather plain-looking in a solid color with no graphics...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on August 31, 2013, 07:40:20 PM
I just noticed something on the CVO Limited's...

As nice as they are - beautiful rides, I'm wondering what the heck happened to the colour match TP light trim?

Now I wonder how long it will take someone to "step up to the plate" and be the first to fix it?

Just wondering.

PS - I didn't like the chrome trim from the past couple of years as much as the painted, but would take it over the new look for sure.

Just sayin'.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on August 31, 2013, 07:47:09 PM
I just noticed something on the CVO Limited's...

As nice as they are - beautiful rides, I'm wondering what the heck happened to the colour match TP light trim?

Now I wonder how long it will take someone to "step up to the plate" and be the first to fix it?

Just wondering.

PS - I didn't like the chrome trim from the past couple of years as much as the painted, but would take it over the new look for sure.

Just sayin'.

I noticed that, too, and I agree! That plain black light bar looks like CRAP compared to earlier years' painted (best) or chromed ( second best) light bars...

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Spiderman on September 01, 2013, 07:25:17 AM
I mean this as no insult or put down in any way, so before y'all get your undies in a bunch, go back and read this sentence again. This entire post is probably not the most PC thing I could have come up with on a Sunday morning.

I would like to know of the people who think these new bikes are beautiful, how many Harleys you've owned. When did you buy your first one and so forth. That's not to say that if you bought your 1st bike 10 years ago that your opinion isn't of value. NOR, is to disrespect you if you're new to the sport. My only intent here is to see if there's any correlation between those who don't like the new models and their years of ownership. For myself, my 1st new Harley was a 1984 FLH, bought on August 24th, 1983. I remember that because I bought the bike on my wife's birthday. So that makes the 2014 models, the 30th year I've been looking at new bikes with quite a few bought in between. Not to say I don't go back further than that in loving H-D's. I still dream of owning a Dual-Glide. In any event, my opinion that what I personally consider the "look" of Harley-Davidson slowing becoming blurred is just that- - MY opinion. I feel it's based on falling in love with a 1966 Electra-Glide when I was about 14 and always having THAT look in my head.
So anyway, I know from reading your posts that some of you who like the new models have had a Harley for 20 years. Overall, how does this stack up ?

Ok gimme a second to put on a goalie's mask

B B
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Hawg on September 01, 2013, 07:43:00 AM
New Tourpack lights. I put on the turn signal so you could get an idea of how bright they are. My wife drove behind me in a car, she said the brake lights and turn signals really stand out. 2014 Limited.
Nice ride, the filler between the saddle bags and the fender appears to be open in the middle, is that so? And where are the rear signals?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on September 01, 2013, 08:30:37 AM
I mean this as no insult or put down in any way, so before y'all get your undies in a bunch, go back and read this sentence again. This entire post is probably not the most PC thing I could have come up with on a Sunday morning.

I would like to know of the people who think these new bikes are beautiful, how many Harleys you've owned. When did you buy your first one and so forth. That's not to say that if you bought your 1st bike 10 years ago that your opinion isn't of value. NOR, is to disrespect you if you're new to the sport. My only intent here is to see if there's any correlation between those who don't like the new models and their years of ownership. For myself, my 1st new Harley was a 1984 FLH, bought on August 24th, 1983. I remember that because I bought the bike on my wife's birthday. So that makes the 2014 models, the 30th year I've been looking at new bikes with quite a few bought in between. Not to say I don't go back further than that in loving H-D's. I still dream of owning a Dual-Glide. In any event, my opinion that what I personally consider the "look" of Harley-Davidson slowing becoming blurred is just that- - MY opinion. I feel it's based on falling in love with a 1966 Electra-Glide when I was about 14 and always having THAT look in my head.
So anyway, I know from reading your posts that some of you who like the new models have had a Harley for 20 years. Overall, how does this stack up ?

Ok gimme a second to put on a goalie's mask

B B

That's an interesting thought Brian.  Visually and architecturally the differences this year cover the gamut from subtle to distinct.  So one's reaction might depend on where one is focusing.  But it's a neat concept to wonder if someone who has been interested in these things and noticed them for a long time has a significantly different reaction to them than does a newer rider.

We've discussed here before that new/younger bike owners have a different take on the machines and their reactions to QC, company, etc.  So the differences here between, well.... old farts like us and a much newer and/or younger rider without a vested emotional and personal guideline they are used to is an interesting issue.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on September 01, 2013, 08:44:11 AM
Nice ride, the filler between the saddle bags and the fender appears to be open in the middle, is that so? And where are the rear signals?


The area that appears to be open is, in fact, the rear signal...
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SERK3 on September 01, 2013, 08:53:17 AM
Well, I finally got to see the '14s up close and personal today. We rode down to Killer Creek in Roswell and looked everything over.

I looked at a CVO Road King, a Street Glide, a Road King, a Breakout, a Dyna Wide Glide, an Ultra, and a Limited.

My impression now is: THESE NEW MACHINES ARE SIMPLY BEAUTIFUL! They really are.

The new lines of the front fender, the fairing and inner fairing, the saddlebags, and the Tour Pak are very modern and sleek looking.

I have never been a fan of grays... but this Limited in the Charcoal Pearl and Vivid Black looked absolutely gorgeous... very stately and elegant. Kind of an Anti-Honey Badger...

The colors are not as vivid as in previous years, though.... and the Amber Whiskey was a little disappointing. It just wasn't ORANGE enough for me. Pretty though, with a lot more yellow in it than I was expecting it to be from the pictures I've seen.

They only had the one CVO... the Road King. It was pretty, but for less money I would buy the Limited any day, and get a LOADED bike. Oh, and they had that SERK stickered at a whopping $33,499... $5000 OVER MSRP!  :vrolijk27: :stop: No thank you! I'd buy the Limited for $27K ANY DAY!

Ken

Smokey Mtn. H-D had a SERK @ 28 or 29,900
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Robmay on September 01, 2013, 08:59:24 AM
The area that appears to be open is, in fact, the rear signal...

Not on the few I looked at. The open areas between the saddlebag and fender are just that...open areas.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SERK3 on September 01, 2013, 09:04:05 AM
Not on the few I looked at. The open areas between the saddlebag and fender are just that...open areas.

Be a good place to put some more L.E.D. lights  :2vrolijk_21:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: spydglide on September 01, 2013, 09:19:46 AM
Be a good place to put some more L.E.D. lights  :2vrolijk_21:
Or more speakers.  :huepfenlol2:  spyder
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on September 01, 2013, 09:24:44 AM
Nice ride, the filler between the saddle bags and the fender appears to be open in the middle, is that so? And where are the rear signals?

The demo one we rode yesterday had the standard Ultra turn signal bar on it. Interesting. I've read on one of the forums that lights are in the works for that area. Should be interesting to see what they come up with. Also kind of curios how they're going to manage that with the International models. Don't some countries require amber turn signals?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on September 01, 2013, 09:26:28 AM
Smokey Mtn. H-D had a SERK @ 28 or 29,900
St. Charles HD also has one at list.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on September 01, 2013, 09:26:55 AM
The turn signals are in the tour pac light bar. The open area between the bags and fender are just what you see, open. Harley offers color matched fill-in pieces if you want to spend the money. I have been told that Harley is going to offer a rear turn signal kit for those that wish to remove the tour pack.

Regarding the Harley riding years question: I purchased my first Harley in September of 1989. Have purchased a lot of bikes over the years. My 2014 is the nicest riding dresser todate. I like the new design, have no issues with progress as long as it works.

Scott
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Twolanerider on September 01, 2013, 09:27:45 AM
Not on the few I looked at. The open areas between the saddlebag and fender are just that...open areas.

Seriously?  How lame is that....


I'd had the thought already that Rushmore (Rushed More) in a few areas had the impression that it was a bite bigger than Harley was ready to chew all at once.  Not enough design/engineering talent to do all before them all at the same time for the model year presentation.  That explained (to me anyway) the minimalist approach to the new SERK and seemed a far more reasonable explanation as to why the new Road Glide had to wait a year.  But, really, they didn't have time to implement a signal light so the just left the hole.... ?   
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: sadunbar on September 01, 2013, 09:31:59 AM
Are we talking about the same area?  The area between the bags and fender - aren't those black area's on the fillers some type of lighting or reflector?  Or are we speaking of something different?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on September 01, 2013, 09:35:10 AM
Are we talking about the same area?  The area between the bags and fender - aren't those black area's on the fillers some type of lighting or reflector?  Or are we speaking of something different?
Same area. It's just an empty hole right now. I guess to make it easier to stick a hose in there and wash the inside of the bags without taking them off.  :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SERK3 on September 01, 2013, 09:56:19 AM
Or more speakers.  :huepfenlol2:  spyder
Then two in front facing forward and have true surround sound :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: TinSpinner on September 01, 2013, 10:03:38 AM
Heard of another oversight regarding the Street Glide Special. At the dealers meeting one of the dealers was trying to use the voice command feature, yelling at it, cursing it, totally frustrated with it not heeding his commands. One of the engineers saw his plight and calmly told him the voice activation feature required input via the microphone. Only problem, there is no input for a microphone on the Street Glide Special!  :oops:

On H-D's website it clearly boasts about the voice command feature. Wonder what else was overlooked?
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 01, 2013, 10:30:05 AM
Are we talking about the same area?  The area between the bags and fender - aren't those black area's on the fillers some type of lighting or reflector?  Or are we speaking of something different?

They are indeed great big ugly HOLES, and you can look right in them and see the shocks, swing arm, etc.

Why wouldn't they have blocked these up with SOMETHING?

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on September 01, 2013, 10:37:54 AM
They are indeed great big ugly HOLES, and you can look right in them and see the shocks, swing arm, etc.

Why wouldn't they have blocked these up with SOMETHING?

Ken
Ken the answer is obvious.  You just need to ponder on it for a moment...........
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 01, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
Smokey Mtn. H-D had a SERK @ 28 or 29,900

Well, I'm glad to see some dealers are NOT trying to gouge the crap out of their customers like Killer Creek is! But the North Atlanta area around Killer has a lot of disposable income, and I'll bet that someone with more dollars than sense will buy the SERK for well over list.

I paid MSRP for the Honey Badger at H-D of Macon in August 2011... and it was the ONLY SESG I could find at any dealer in the entire state of Georgia at that time.

I would never pay more than MSRP for ANY motor vehicle... Period. MSRP is outrageous enough on these bikes... But paying the dealer several thousand dollars over that, just so they can line their pockets even more, is something I will NEVER do!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 01, 2013, 11:01:44 AM
Ken the answer is obvious.  You just need to ponder on it for a moment...........

Oh, I know, Greg... more P&A revenue. "Let's just leave these giant ugly HOLES back here, and then we'll sell $499 turn signal kits to fill them!"

In other words... Thinly-Veiled Contempt For The Customer.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SERK3 on September 01, 2013, 11:11:53 AM
Just wait Custom Dynamics will come out with a kit to fit the holes (or some other aftermarket company) and a lot cheaper than H-D
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: phato1 on September 01, 2013, 11:30:25 AM
Oh, I know, Greg... more P&A revenue. "Let's just leave these giant ugly HOLES back here, and then we'll sell $499 turn signal kits to fill them!"

In other words... Thinly-Veiled Contempt For The Customer.

Ken

You've got it all wrong Ken. The motor company just knows that we owners need an excuse to modify our rides so they give us obvious  areas needing modification as a starting point to keep us busy until more expensive and involved modifications (engine work anyone  ;) )begin to occupy our time and wallets.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: GregKhougaz on September 01, 2013, 11:35:49 AM
Are we talking about the same area?  The area between the bags and fender - aren't those black area's on the fillers some type of lighting or reflector?  Or are we speaking of something different?

Isn't that a demo bike?  No plate nor bracket for a plate.  Here are two that have been purchased and posted:

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87651.0;attach=246672;image)

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246654;image)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Fired00d on September 01, 2013, 11:39:45 AM
Isn't that a demo bike?  No plate nor bracket for a plate.  Here are two that have been purchased and posted:

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87651.0;attach=246672;image)

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246654;image)
The two you have pictured are CVO's.. the one below (and in Scott's post) are regular production Ultra Limiteds...

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246741;image)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 01, 2013, 11:40:54 AM
Isn't that a demo bike?  No plate nor bracket for a plate.  Here are two that have been purchased and posted:

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=87651.0;attach=246672;image)

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246654;image)

The CVO Limited is done right... with color-matched filler panels and turn signals.

It's only the non-CVO Ultra Limited that has those big holes back there... and no turn signals except in the Tour Pak.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: phato1 on September 01, 2013, 11:46:59 AM
Isn't that a demo bike?  No plate nor bracket for a plate.  Here are two that have been purchased and posted:

The plate on them is mounted above the tail light like in years past.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: porthole on September 01, 2013, 11:55:13 AM
Or are we speaking of something different?

As that has been pointed out now it is at least good to know the option that started on the first CVO E Glides is still carried over, eg filler panels.

Although, I think I would like to have seen the SG panel instead.

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: GregKhougaz on September 01, 2013, 12:00:06 PM
The CVO Limited is done right... with color-matched filler panels and turn signals.

It's only the non-CVO Ultra Limited that has those big holes back there... and no turn signals except in the Tour Pak.

Ken

Checked the H-D web site.  Ouch!   Fugly!    :freak:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on September 01, 2013, 04:12:47 PM
Amber Whiskey Street Glide... Pretty color, but rather plain-looking in a solid color with no graphics...


A friend of mine just bought this bike in Amber Whiskey.  I saw it yesterday and it was very plain-looking, like you said.  I didn't have the heart to tell him that.  This was the first 2014 I've seen in person, and I do like the ease of opening the saddlebags.  I was real disappointed with the sound of the speakers.  Maybe they would sound a bit better with a different source than the radio, but nonetheless, not impressive.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on September 02, 2013, 08:56:05 AM
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads?  I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it.  After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time?  http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: FLHTCUSE7 on September 02, 2013, 09:00:16 AM
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads?  I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it.  After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time?  http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)

It was there from day one.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: grc on September 02, 2013, 09:19:32 AM
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads?  I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it.  After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time?  http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)

Just not as obvious when folded up.  Unless I'm not looking at it correctly, I would think that actually using those highway pegs would be great for warming your feet in cold weather, but probably not real great when riding in 95 plus weather.  It appears the radiator vents will blow right at your ankles. :nixweiss:

Jerry
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 02, 2013, 09:21:00 AM
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads?  I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it.  After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time?  http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)

The main photo often has extra stuff on it... to whet our appetites...

The main photo of my bike had some yellow on the lowers that didn't make it to production...

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 02, 2013, 09:25:31 AM
Just not as obvious when folded up.  Unless I'm not looking at it correctly, I would think that actually using those highway pegs would be great for warming your feet in cold weather, but probably not real great when riding in 95 plus weather.  It appears the radiator vents will blow right at your ankles. :nixweiss:

Jerry

Depends where you mount them. I have mine mounted down low, as I like to ride with my toe on the peg and my heel on the footboard. Mounted the way I have mine, your feet would be well below the radiator vents.

Ken

Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on September 02, 2013, 09:26:52 AM
Just not as obvious when folded up.  Unless I'm not looking at it correctly, I would think that actually using those highway pegs would be great for warming your feet in cold weather, but probably not real great when riding in 95 plus weather.  It appears the radiator vents will blow right at your ankles. :nixweiss:

Jerry

When I test rode the Limited I also was concerned about that, but after sitting on the bike I don't believe it will be an issue... Heat rises and your feet and legs should comfortably rest just a tad below the openings.  At least it appeared that way from where I was sitting.  The bike I rode did not have pegs installed, but I just imagined where they would be and where my feet would be positioned.

Possibly one of the new CVO Limited owners can confirm this.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 2harleys on September 02, 2013, 10:29:49 AM
When I test rode the Limited I also was concerned about that, but after sitting on the bike I don't believe it will be an issue... Heat rises and your feet and legs should comfortably rest just a tad below the openings.  At least it appeared that way from where I was sitting.  The bike I rode did not have pegs installed, but I just imagined where they would be and where my feet would be positioned.

Possibly one of the new CVO Limited owners can confirm this.


man, that heat would have to rise extremely fast when you are cruising down the highway and the vents are only inches from you ankles??  I am thinking that the wind will blow that heat straight back onto your ankles, and any passengers legs at 80 MPH. Could be wrong, but that is my thought on the matter.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Grizzly on September 02, 2013, 10:57:24 AM

man, that heat would have to rise extremely fast when you are cruising down the highway and the vents are only inches from you ankles??  I am thinking that the wind will blow that heat straight back onto your ankles, and any passengers legs at 80 MPH. Could be wrong, but that is my thought on the matter.

Although it was only in the mid 70's when I had my demo ride, I couldn't feel much heat coming out of the vents, so I really don't see it being a big concern at all.  But the riders in the deep south may have it different.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Robmay on September 02, 2013, 12:28:37 PM
Although it was only in the mid 70's when I had my demo ride, I couldn't feel much heat coming out of the vents, so I really don't see it being a big concern at all.  But the riders in the deep south may have it different.

This is what I am waiting to hear more on. I like what I am hearing on most other things. Jury seems to still be out on the radio and liquid cooling system. Not only heat issue but others as well.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: dp on September 02, 2013, 07:50:46 PM
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads?  I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it.  After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time?  http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)

Yep. Saw one one dealer floor and I had pegs.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: OBB on September 02, 2013, 09:50:50 PM
Are we all losing it or is the MOCO playing tricks with our heads?  I was just looking at Harley's website, at the new CVO Limited, and the main photo of the bike has HIGHWAY PEGS on it.  After all the discussion about this, was this there the entire time?  http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html# (http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Motorcycles/cvo-limited.html#)
Note the disclaimer under the pix.


*Vehicle shown may vary visually by market and may differ from vehicles manufactured and delivered. See your dealer for details.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on September 02, 2013, 10:04:51 PM
I have a 2014 Ultra Limited and plan on adding highway pegs. There is plenty of room. I plan on buying the Harley Davidson Extended Adjustable peg mounts.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 02, 2013, 10:31:20 PM
I have a 2014 Ultra Limited and plan on adding highway pegs. There is plenty of room. I plan on buying the Harley Davidson Extended Adjustable peg mounts.

MAN, I really LIKE that custom blue with the black graphics on your Limited! That's very PRETTY!

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BUCKNUT GREG on September 02, 2013, 10:59:53 PM
MAN, I really LIKE that custom blue with the black graphics on your Limited! That's very PRETTY!

Ken
Hell Yea X2
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: scottt on September 02, 2013, 11:14:30 PM
Thank you gentlemen, I love the blue as well. My dealer did a dealer trade to get the bike. He went over 60 miles to get the blue one for me.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Bigfoot16 on September 03, 2013, 10:37:17 PM
I have a 2014 Ultra Limited and plan on adding highway pegs. There is plenty of room. I plan on buying the Harley Davidson Extended Adjustable peg mounts.


Nice bike!
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: SG Racer on September 03, 2013, 11:22:28 PM
That is very nice. Congrats.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Skipper on September 09, 2013, 06:41:01 AM
The two you have pictured are CVO's.. the one below (and in Scott's post) are regular production Ultra Limiteds...

(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=82752.0;attach=246741;image)

 :pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 :fireman:
Here is how the rear end looks on International bikes.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Glenncarp on September 09, 2013, 08:57:46 AM
It sure has been quiet  regarding the 2014's?? Changes???  Models??  Will they bring back the SG?? Should be fun to watch what happens this year 

This is what I posted on another thread on this forum:

"I have a '11 SERGU and I was on a long ride when my exhaust bolt to the front cylinder came loose. I found a close HD shop and while they were repairing my bike. I saw the '14 limited. I had the sales manager show me the updates. and all I can say is "Wow". The double DIN radio alone is awesome. GPS in screen. With a headset and VOX mic you can speak to GPS and radio. If you are using sirrius/XM and you say "country" the radio switches to that genera of music. If using GPS and you say "1234 Mains St, Milwaukee" GPS adds that location. huge amp included, 6 speakers, but two on saddle bag are hidden in back. All backs have single latch and close as smooth as a Mercedes door. Gauges are now in radio for dumb ones, oil pressure and air temp, so gauge cluster is neat. Radio is finally Bluetooth and can read your text messages from your phone and you can reply using VOX too. They added height to the front forks and made the rear seat wider and the tour pack sleeker without taking away any room. Water cooled engine had same rumble as all the other engines and radiators are almost invisible. From all of the HD guys I spoke to they stated when the front vent on the windshield is open, the air flow is non existent at your face, one guy said he wore a base ball hat forward and when he closed the vent (push button on fairing) the hat blew off. To change the odometer selections, the button is now on the left grip, so no more leaning forward and taking a hand off the bars."

I found the 104 changes so significant that I am awaiting the Road Glide in '15 and if it is anything close to the 14' Limited I saw, I will make the change. No '14 Road Glide as they are re designing the fairing to fit the double DIN radio and incorporate the air vent system. I was VERY impressed with the upgrades.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: 1abastarsmda on September 09, 2013, 01:50:01 PM
Is that true that there are  speakers in the saddlebags?  Hadn't heard that anywhere before.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: BigLew55 on September 09, 2013, 03:44:24 PM
Is that true that there are  speakers in the saddlebags?  Hadn't heard that anywhere before.

I don't think there's a single model with that this year.  I've seen them all over the interwebs and several in person.  I've yet to see a speaker in the bag.  They do have the lids in the catalog, so maybe someone saw one of them and got confused?
 :nixweiss:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: Jswerve on September 09, 2013, 06:14:09 PM
I don't think there's a single model with that this year.  I've seen them all over the interwebs and several in person.  I've yet to see a speaker in the bag.  They do have the lids in the catalog, so maybe someone saw one of them and got confused?
 :nixweiss:
The CVO limited only had 4 speakers...  :-\
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: ultrarider123 on September 10, 2013, 05:29:09 PM
Got to see the innards of the '14 batwing this afternoon. Interesting changes. Like the surround in back of the speaker to give it more umph.

Oh, by the way, they had it removed trying to get the brand new radio on the brand new bike to work from the factory  :huepfenlol2:
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: North Georgia Hawg on September 10, 2013, 06:00:35 PM
Got to see the innards of the '14 batwing this afternoon. Interesting changes. Like the surround in back of the speaker to give it more umph.

Oh, by the way, they had it removed trying to get the brand new radio on the brand new bike to work from the factory  :huepfenlol2:

Wow! That pic REALLY shows how CANBUS has so greatly simplified the wiring... there are WAY fewer wires in the fairing than there are in the pre-2014 Touring bikes.

Ken
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: shelby500 on September 10, 2013, 06:39:46 PM
Ken
Do you have any good pictures of your exhaust? Think I'm going to put that on the 14 I have coming.
Title: Re: 2014 CVO MODELS AND CHANGES
Post by: phato1 on September 10, 2013, 06:40:21 PM
Wow! That pic REALLY shows how CANBUS has so greatly simplified the wiring... there are WAY fewer wires in the fairing than there are in the pre-2014 Touring bikes.

Ken

You got that right Ken! as you know an amazing amount of data/information can be transmitted using CANBUS or MODBUS communications. As long as the timing of the signals stays in sync.
 Unfortunately troubleshooting problems can be a challenge for those unfamiliar with the system hardware/software - and even for those familiar with it, and electronic parts can get very expensive very quickly. That alone may make ESP's economical for the new models.