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CVO Social => Other Topics => Topic started by: egultrac on July 31, 2009, 11:13:16 PM
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IMO I think it looks like an Arlen Ness piece of crap :'(
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IMO I think it looks like an Arlen Ness piece of crap :'(
I really like them.
They are perfect for someone that is looking for a bike to graduate from to a Harley.
What I like best about them is there are none in my garage.
IMHO, of course!
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SBB
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Can't help but if Victory is starting to leave the MoCo in the dust. These bikes look awesome. This 2010 Cross Country might put up some stiff competition to the Street Glide.
Those bikes are a bit too futuristic looking...like something off the Jetsons. I don't think they have the same appeal that a Harley or Indian does.
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Those bikes are a bit too futuristic looking...like something off the Jetsons. I don't think they have the same appeal that a Harley or Indian does.
I think that's the entire idea; something different for those who are tired of the same ol' same ol'. I don't think the market needs another copy or clone of a Harley or Indian and it's 19xx styling.
One of my pet peeves with the weenies who make the styling decisions in the auto industry is that they have all lost any semblance of balls. Take the easy way, just copy what everyone else is doing, don't dare to be different. That's how we have gone from easily identifiable brands in the good old days to the current situation where you have to get close enough to read the badges to figure out which brand you're looking at. Needless to say, I don't think anyone will have that problem when trying to pick out a Victory from the crowd.
Jerry
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IMO I think it looks like an Arlen Ness piece of crap :'(
Amen on the fugly Ness look......the only thing more painful than looking at one is trying to sell and/or trade one... :2vrolijk_21:
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Why ??
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I will stick with Harley even though they tend to piss me off every now and then.
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Victory's have their following...my nephew being one of them. And I don't have a problem with anyone that wants to buy one. They're not my cup of tea. They're still to "alien" looking and if that means having the balls to separate from the mold, more power to them. They won't get my dollar for a long time looking like that. I personally am a traditionalist, especially when it comes to what I think a touring bike should look like. Victory is getter closer though. Are they going to give the HD touring line a run for the money? Not yet, is that one going to be competition for the Street Glide? Not looking like that. Like Chip said, they're a good bike to trade up to a Harley from. You won't see any in my garage anytime soon, just would look good next to the SEUC and SESG... :coolblue:
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Each to their own, but I personally like the looks of the new Victorys. Especially the Cross Roads. Now the Vision I just can't handle and it is fugly. I'm not much of a fairing guy and prefer Road Kings. The new Cross Roads has really got me thinking about one. The local dealer is only getting one of each and won't have them until December or even after the first of the year. I've been doing a lot of reading about these new Victorys and so far like what I've read. I sure would like to take a Cross Roads for a ride and see how it compares with me SERK.
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they look like jap bikes trying to look like Harleys imho
Jo Mo NYC :coolblue:
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If you buy one you'd better plan on keeping it for a long, long time because there is no market for pre-owned bikes.
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That is true. Unfortunately it's also becoming true for used HD's which are harder to sell or trade in today's market verses a year or two ago.
I was just thinking the same thing. I wonder if Ultrafxr has tried to sell a Harley in this market? I sold my '06 SEUC in June. Had $40k invested and sold for $23K. And I think I was lucky to get that. Might be lucky to get $20k right now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the Victory will hold it's value as well as a Harley. But I don't think these new models will depreciate as bad as the previous ones and certainly not as bad as the "rice burners".
Look, it's not what you ride, it's that you ride. I've got friends on Hondas, CanAm's and Kawasaki's. I enjoy riding with them as much as anyone. "The bike doesn't make the man".
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I got to agree with DakotaZeb. Ride what you want, and what you like. I will tell you this, Harley is not the bottom line for sure. To be completely honest with you, my 08 SEUC leaves alot to be desired as far powertrain performance is concerned. The only reason why I don't sell mine right now is I would lose about 15K off of my initial investment, and I just cannot do that. Great looking bike, for sure, but engine gets as hot as a cannon, and doesn't shed the heat well. My bike still pings like crap when its hot outside,(damaging over time to the motor) & burns oil in between changes, what else can I say. Oh, and did I mention, I need to do another rear base seal gasket at 15K, third base seal with this bike since new, never had to do a base seal with any of my other bikes, all Harleys too. I think when the motor blows in mine, I'm going to drop to 96 cube, should run alittle cooler, and maybe even better, in the long run. I will however keep the bike, just won't buy another Harley. Good thing I have a comprehensive warranty, but when it runs out I'm screwed. In fact you guys can scream all you want, but I'm thinking about buying a new GoldWing next.. My friend has one and LOVES his.. Says he has never had any warranty issues or problems ever with his, and best of all, he says his bike doesn't ping, or cook the motor while in operation, or blow gaskets or burn oil. Wow, must be nice, mine has done all of those things in less than 2 years ownership time. Harley's apology is to send me a picture book in the mail, with an I'm sorry letter..Guess I'll be reading that book when my warranty runs out and my bike is broke with a cover over it in the garage. Hopefully I have my Honda by then...Nuff Said..
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I think the Goldwing is a great, reliable bike, but I don't think I could get used to the lack of sound. Why does my vacuum cleaner put out more sound than a Goldwing? I couldn't wait to get pipes on my Harley, and the stock Harley pipes blow the Goldwing away. If they could make a Goldwing sound like a Harley, I might consider it, but until then, I'm sticking with my noisemaker.
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I fell the need to chime in, I am also with the Harley Group. Waited to long to have one and could not be satisfied with anything else. I know "to itch it own". It does leave a bad taste in your mouth when you get a lemon, I do understand. I had a 2003 Ultra Classic that did not have the throttle response it should have. I did everthing, 95" BB kit, Screaming heads, change different cams and finally got Big Red (SEUC) and Happy. Just my .02. Be safe, JEB.
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If I sold my Harley what would I have to complain about.... Wait I have a wife....
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I really like them.
They are perfect for someone that is looking for a bike to graduate from to a Harley.
What I like best about them is there are none in my garage.<-----I bolded this just to make it clear, they may be for others but not for me!
IMHO, of course!
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SBB
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One of our friends went from Harleys to a Kingpin and then to a Vision a few years later. The Victory dealer's trade-in price was $2600 higher than Harley would offer for a new Ultra. That's understandable because Victory followers will shop there before going to a Harley shop.
Everybody we ride with thinks his Vision is the ugliest motorcycle we've ever seen but if you look at the features, they have some that Harley could consider like adjustable windshield height and better lean over protection. As Dave said though, the George Jetson package around them kills the desire to have one.
During my travels, I've only seen three or four of them on the road and they're in the second year of production. I searched for info on how many they've sold but couldn't find anything. I doubt the Vision's been real profitable for Victory and wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a new design like the Cross Country to save their butts in the touring market. The picture from the front (first post) doesn't look too bad but when I saw the backend, I lost interest.
Did they change the saddlebag design from a side door to a top flip lid ?
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Can't agree more. I never care what someone else rides as long as they ride.
I've test ridden the new Goldwing and because I'm over 6 feet tall the riding postion was uncomfortable for me. My feet were tucked back like they would be on a crotch rocket. And the Goldwing gave off an awful lot of heat for a water cooled engine. When I rode the Goldwing in a cross wind it felt like riding a sheet of plywood and I could barely hear the stereo at 110 kms per hour (about 65 mph) because of the wind buffeting. One other thing, Harley's ABS brakes are far superior to the Goldwing's linked ABS. Don;t get me wrong the Goldwing is a nice bike but try riding it for an afternoon before buying it. They have their quirks too.
My wife and I find our 09 Ultra Classic more comfortable than the CVO. It's a little lighter, gives off less heat, has no motor noise and the seat is better for me and my wife. I've installed a Stage 1 air cleaner, Screamin Eagle exhaust and a Mastertune download from Steve at Fullsac and after tuning the stock 96" will nearly keep up to the 110", with far less engine heat and zero motor noise. Even the exhaust sounds much better after installing Steve's map.
Maybe when my engine blows and I drop the 96 cube motor in mine, I will like it better as well. Rode an '09 Ultra Classic for an afternoon. The Harley shop let me use while mine was in the shop awhile back, and I couldn't get it to ping any, in fact rode real nice. What happened to mine? :confused5:
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Sorry,but I can't even believe I'm reading this chit.. A victory, come on! I'm with SBB and JOMO on this one to put it lightly.......
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A childhood friend of mine owns and operates a Victory dealership here in Louisville, he got very pissed at me when I ran into him at a bike night and he seen me in Harley shirt. He said why didn't you buy a bike from me. I told him because you don't sell Harley's. He really got mad, how can you even compare the two bikes. No way - not ever in my garage. Sorry, but it's a Harley.
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I've had three friends in the last 4 months that has owned Victory, Yahama and Kawasaki bikes and have all recently
"upgraded" to Harley's. They were amazed by the ride and Not to mention the "respect" they get now being on a Harley.
It's good that everyone has their opinion and likes for certain brand loyalty, but all manufacturers compare themselves to the HD with styles and sound imitations. (At leats they try to get the sound)
I wouldn't trade my SEUC for anything in the market. I might take 4 victory's, 2 yamaha'a and a couple of Suzuki's, but that all. LOL.
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I think the Goldwing is a great, reliable bike, but I don't think I could get used to the lack of sound. Why does my vacuum cleaner put out more sound than a Goldwing? I couldn't wait to get pipes on my Harley, and the stock Harley pipes blow the Goldwing away. If they could make a Goldwing sound like a Harley, I might consider it, but until then, I'm sticking with my noisemaker.
No offense intended, but I've heard that excuse/rationalization from more than one person, and I'm baffled (no pun intended) by the thought process. Don't like the Honda because it's too quiet, even though it is a better performing and handling bike right out of the crate and doesn't need all the "customization" a Harley does to make it run well, and it's probably a thousand times more reliable. But the first thing you do with a new Harley is put pipes on it because it's too quiet, gut the cat, change the air cleaner, put a tuning device on it, get it dyno tuned so it doesn't melt at stoplights, etc. I guess doing all that to a Harley just to make it acceptable is OK, but you can't change mufflers on a Honda? Come on, last time I looked the Honda exhaust wasn't welded to the heads, it's quite possible to change those pipes out also. Same is true of another bike that runs rings around a Harley, namely BMW.
Jerry ;)
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The proofs in the pudding you might say. I know for a fact, when my bike has been in the shop for repairs, my friend and neighbor who is a retired LEO, has sent me countless photos of his wife and him, "On Tour" with his GoldWing at various places like Grand Canyon, Colorado Area, Yellowstone Area, list goes on, and I mean it, having a great time. He is a good friend, and always checked on me to see if I got his pics and emails, and I've always enjoyed them. I set him down one evening when we were all together having dinner at my place, and asked him his HONEST opinion of the Goldwing, and he said with the bike he has now, its been the best bike he has ever owned, never any problems whatsoever. I might add that this same person was a motor officer for the agency he worked for, for 12 years, and out of those 12, his unit was outfitted with Harleys, off and on, depending on whomever put in the best bid at the time and he likes Harleys, but just doesn't own one at this time. What I'm saying is with all of the problems with mine, I wouldn't mine having something else to ride when mine is all jacked-up. You can't fault a guy for that..
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No offense intended, but I've heard that excuse/rationalization from more than one person, and I'm baffled (no pun intended) by the thought process. Don't like the Honda because it's too quiet, even though it is a better performing and handling bike right out of the crate and doesn't need all the "customization" a Harley does to make it run well, and it's probably a thousand times more reliable. But the first thing you do with a new Harley is put pipes on it because it's too quiet, gut the cat, change the air cleaner, put a tuning device on it, get it dyno tuned so it doesn't melt at stoplights, etc. I guess doing all that to a Harley just to make it acceptable is OK, but you can't change mufflers on a Honda? Come on, last time I looked the Honda exhaust wasn't welded to the heads, it's quite possible to change those pipes out also. Same is true of another bike that runs rings around a Harley, namely BMW.
Jerry ;)
Why do you stay with a Harley Jerry? I would think you would go with the "far superior" Goldwing or BMW? I've had 'em both (yep a Wing and a K100LT BMW) and came back to HD. HD's aren't the most high-tech, they require mods to make 'em right, but who cares? I knew that before I bought my first Harley 30 years ago. It amazes me that people bad mouth the brand, MoCo, and whatever else sells the HD brand, but yet they still keep riding/buying them? Why is that? :nixweiss:
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The proofs in the pudding you might say. I know for a fact, when my bike has been in the shop for repairs, my friend and neighbor who is a retired LEO, has sent me countless photos of his wife and him, "On Tour" with his GoldWing at various places like Grand Canyon, Colorado Area, Yellowstone Area, list goes on, and I mean it, having a great time. He is a good friend, and always checked on me to see if I got his pics and emails, and I've always enjoyed them. I set him down one evening when we were all together having dinner at my place, and asked him his HONEST opinion of the Goldwing, and he said with the bike he has now, its been the best bike he has ever owned, never any problems whatsoever. I might add that this same person was a motor officer for the agency he worked for, for 12 years, and out of those 12, his unit was outfitted with Harleys, off and on, depending on whomever put in the best bid at the time and he likes Harleys, but just doesn't own one at this time. What I'm saying is with all of the problems with mine, I wouldn't mine having something else to ride when mine is all jacked-up. You can't fault a guy for that..
That's why I have two HD's in the garage, but for me, it's more a decision of which one to ride, because they both sit in my garage almost always unless I'm having them in for routine service. I guess I'm just lucky huh? :nixweiss:
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RedDevil,
Wow, certainly sounds like your a lucky one for sure. I have owned Harleys all of my life myself, starting with a '68 XLCH culminating to what have now, which is an '08 SEUC. All total I've owned 7 Harleys. Out of all of those bikes, this one has the biggest coin into it so far(SEUC). This bike has also been one of the most disappointing I have ever owned. Tons of warranty issues, and I've kept all of the receipts. Hell, I've had to go out and buy a binder to keep them in, there is so many. Needless to say, without going into all the issues, there is not a whole lot of owner satisfaction going on here. Also another issue is that the bikes value has literally dropped into a black hole, so I'm sort of stuck with it and it's ongoing problems. At some point in time, I can definately see it parked over in one of the corners of my garage with a heavy canvas tarp thrown over her, down hard mechanically. Sorry to say, but thats the way I see it. I might go back to riding an older bike, or just get me an EVO powered Electra Glide, Road Glide, or Road King, or maybe even a Tour Glide who knows. One thing I do know, I won't be buying anymore new Harleys. I am looking into different possibilities, for sure. I just don't know what I will end up with.. Believe me, I don't get any satisfaction bad mouthing what I have now, or contemplating buying outside the brand. I just want something that is just alittle less problematic. With this bike, I feel like I've been sitting down, playing cards all day long, and now getting ready to get up from the table, after having lost everything I came in with, that's sort of the way I feel. By the way, I'm a card player...
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Red, I don't know what bee got stuck up your bonnet, but if you're intimating that I or anyone else shouldn't badmouth the mother ship and her products I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you have two Harleys and they haven't required a lot of repair (yet), then yes you are lucky. And if you don't mind having to spend thousands on a brand new bike to make it run properly, that's just peachy. And if you haven't had the MoCo try to stuff something up your posterior yet, rather than just fix whatever the problem is, then you are very lucky. Rest assured, however, that not everyone has shared your luck.
Yup, I still have one Harley in the garage. I guess you would suggest that since I haven't been totally satisfied with my ownership experience that I should just give it away and buy something else. To tell you the truth, I was at that point a couple years ago. Then several things in my life changed drastically, and all of a sudden that POS in the garage wasn't a top priority. Once those other issues are totally behind me, and I finally get a chance to do the traveling I had intended, I will probably buy a reliable replacement from someone other than Harley. After all, I'm not a kid anymore who doesn't mind getting stranded or who doesn't mind having to constantly wrench on my vehicle. I'm spoiled now, and expect my vehicles to just do what I bought them for without a whole lot of BS. If H-D decides to produce such a vehicle, have them give me a shout and I'll give them consideration when it's time to make a purchase. In the meantime, I'll continue to voice my opinions on their vehicles, their managment, and their customer disservice.
BTW, none of this has anything to do with my original post and question. Why blow off the Honda just because it's too quiet, but the first thing a Harley guy does is replace the stock pipes because the stockers are too quiet.
Jerry
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Red, I don't know what bee got stuck up your bonnet, but if you're intimating that I or anyone else shouldn't badmouth the mother ship and her products I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you have two Harleys and they haven't required a lot of repair (yet), then yes you are lucky. And if you don't mind having to spend thousands on a brand new bike to make it run properly, that's just peachy. And if you haven't had the MoCo try to stuff something up your posterior yet, rather than just fix whatever the problem is, then you are very lucky. Rest assured, however, that not everyone has shared your luck.
Yup, I still have one Harley in the garage. I guess you would suggest that since I haven't been totally satisfied with my ownership experience that I should just give it away and buy something else. To tell you the truth, I was at that point a couple years ago. Then several things in my life changed drastically, and all of a sudden that POS in the garage wasn't a top priority. Once those other issues are totally behind me, and I finally get a chance to do the traveling I had intended, I will probably buy a reliable replacement from someone other than Harley. After all, I'm not a kid anymore who doesn't mind getting stranded or who doesn't mind having to constantly wrench on my vehicle. I'm spoiled now, and expect my vehicles to just do what I bought them for without a whole lot of BS. If H-D decides to produce such a vehicle, have them give me a shout and I'll give them consideration when it's time to make a purchase. In the meantime, I'll continue to voice my opinions on their vehicles, their managment, and their customer disservice.
BTW, none of this has anything to do with my original post and question. Why blow off the Honda just because it's too quiet, but the first thing a Harley guy does is replace the stock pipes because the stockers are too quiet.
Jerry
Jerry,
You have every right to say what you want, but if I felt as strongly against something as you do, I wouldn't be messing around with it anymore, regardless of the situation. To be perfectly honest, my Gold Wing was in the shop getting more warranty/non-warranty work then any Harley I've ever owned. Now the Beemer was a very reliable bike but totally uncomfortable for me and I didn't keep it long enough to see how reliable it would be. I'm not a flag waver for the MoCo or any other brand as far as that's concerned, but I do know if I feel strongly against any particular brand, I don't even associate myself with it. No bees up the bonnet Jerry, just voicing my opinion.
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RedDevil,
Wow, certainly sounds like your a lucky one for sure. I have owned Harleys all of my life myself, starting with a '68 XLCH culminating to what have now, which is an '08 SEUC. All total I've owned 7 Harleys. Out of all of those bikes, this one has the biggest coin into it so far(SEUC). This bike has also been one of the most disappointing I have ever owned. Tons of warranty issues, and I've kept all of the receipts. Hell, I've had to go out and buy a binder to keep them in, there is so many. Needless to say, without going into all the issues, there is not a whole lot of owner satisfaction going on here. Also another issue is that the bikes value has literally dropped into a black hole, so I'm sort of stuck with it and it's ongoing problems. At some point in time, I can definately see it parked over in one of the corners of my garage with a heavy canvas tarp thrown over her, down hard mechanically. Sorry to say, but thats the way I see it. I might go back to riding an older bike, or just get me an EVO powered Electra Glide, Road Glide, or Road King, who knows. One thing I do know, I won't be buying anymore new Harleys. I am looking into different possibilities, for sure. I just don't know what I will end up with.. Believe me, I don't get any satisfaction bad mouthing what I have now, or contemplating buying outside the brand. I just want something that is just alittle less problematic. With this bike, I feel like I've been sitting down, playing cards all day long, and now getting ready to get up from the table, after having lost everything I came in with, that's sort of the way I feel. By the way, I'm a card player...
John,
I feel your pain, but for me it was just opposite. I had all the problems you're having with the only Gold Wing that I ever bought. It spent more time in the shop, then it did on the road. The happiest day of my life was when I got rid of it...so I understand what you're feeling. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do. :2vrolijk_21:
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Red, I don't know what bee got stuck up your bonnet, but if you're intimating that I or anyone else shouldn't badmouth the mother ship and her products I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. If you have two Harleys and they haven't required a lot of repair (yet), then yes you are lucky. And if you don't mind having to spend thousands on a brand new bike to make it run properly, that's just peachy. And if you haven't had the MoCo try to stuff something up your posterior yet, rather than just fix whatever the problem is, then you are very lucky. Rest assured, however, that not everyone has shared your luck.
Yup, I still have one Harley in the garage. I guess you would suggest that since I haven't been totally satisfied with my ownership experience that I should just give it away and buy something else. To tell you the truth, I was at that point a couple years ago. Then several things in my life changed drastically, and all of a sudden that POS in the garage wasn't a top priority. Once those other issues are totally behind me, and I finally get a chance to do the traveling I had intended, I will probably buy a reliable replacement from someone other than Harley. After all, I'm not a kid anymore who doesn't mind getting stranded or who doesn't mind having to constantly wrench on my vehicle. I'm spoiled now, and expect my vehicles to just do what I bought them for without a whole lot of BS. If H-D decides to produce such a vehicle, have them give me a shout and I'll give them consideration when it's time to make a purchase. In the meantime, I'll continue to voice my opinions on their vehicles, their managment, and their customer disservice.
BTW, none of this has anything to do with my original post and question. Why blow off the Honda just because it's too quiet, but the first thing a Harley guy does is replace the stock pipes because the stockers are too quiet.
Jerry
Yes, the Harley is quiet stock, and I knew that going into the purchase. I knew that I wouldn't enjoy the bike with the stock pipes and planned the pricing of pipes into my purchase decision. I'm sorry, but you will never make a Gold Wing sound like a Harley, no matter what you do to the exhaust. With the Harley, I knew that with a simple replacement of the baffles, I could obtain that music to my ears, and we are only talking about a price of under $150 total with Fulsacs. Of course, I opted for a more expensive route, but I'll be the first to admit that it wasn't necessary to go that far.
There's more to the Harley than just the sound though. As a group, there is a different personality to the Harley riders than those riding a Gold Wing, or probably any other bike. I know there are Gold Wing groups out there, just like there are HOG chapters, etc., but my contention is it's an entirely different atmosphere. First of all, when you ride with the Gold Wingers, they all have Gold Wings. When you ride with Harley people, they have touring models, and softtails, and dynas, etc. It's a much more diverse group and to truly fit into the group and to understand the passion, you have to have a Harley yourself. It's a family, albeit a different family than the Gold Wingers, and I happen to like that family.
Maybe I'm lucky, but this is my second Harley, and I've had no more problems with them than any Yamaha or Honda I have ever owned. Everything I have gone through has been very minor, and mostly things that I could have probably lived with, had they not been covered by warranty. I know how easy it is to get upset at Harley because you've had a poor experience with your bike, but when it comes down to it, every bike manufacturer and every car manufacturer, and most other items that you can think of have problems with something they have built. I'm sorry that you've had problems, but I don't think that buying a Honda or a Victory, or BMW will assure you that you won't have problems either. As far as customizing your ride, that's a personal thing and there are many Gold Wings out there with more crap added that anyone cares to look at. I don't add things to my bike because it's a Harley. I add things to my Harley because I'm just one of those people that just can't leave well enough alone. There are probably more people out there running stock pipes on their Harleys than those of us that change our pipes, but I wouldn't fault Harley for having the capability of making them sound better.
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Even though Harley hasn't really been able to tap into the younger market, I still believe that as that younger population ages, they too will switch over to Harleys, when they are able to afford to do so. That, of course, is assuming Harley still exists. I've talked to lots of the younger guys out there riding their crotch rockets. Most of them have a common thread in their thinking. Most of them mention to me that someday they'll probably trade up to a Harley. The common thread is that they are saying "up". So even when those sport bikes come flying by and don't wave, they still feel that the long range plan is to buy a Harley. I'm not meaning to expand this to a new argument...just sayin'. 8)
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Even though Harley hasn't really been able to tap into the younger market, I still believe that as that younger population ages, they too will switch over to Harleys, when they are able to afford to do so. That, of course, is assuming Harley still exists. I've talked to lots of the younger guys out there riding their crotch rockets. Most of them have a common thread in their thinking. Most of them mention to me that someday they'll probably trade up to a Harley. The common thread is that they are saying "up". So even when those sport bikes come flying by and don't wave, they still feel that the long range plan is to buy a Harley.
I agree Dave!
And Egultrac,
but why can't we be friends?
We are friends, , , , , but that doesn't mean you agree with everything your friends say?
I don't, but they will still be my friends.
It's been a great discussion on this topic.
We are all passionate about our bikes, but because we don't agree doesn't mean we are not and can't be friends.
Thanks for starting this thread!
SBB
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I like Levi's jeans. Some people like Lee jeans, and yet others prefer Wranglers. The funny thing is I have never had a friend complain to me that he's tired of getting holes in his Levi's and that he is seriously considering switching brands. If someone came to me with this information, I sure wouldn't take the time to argue about it.
It's a bit humorous at how we get all defensive when it's our bikes that we are talking about. When push comes to shove, I really don't care what anyone else rides. You can ride a Schwinn and I'll ride with you if you can keep up. As I thought about this topic a bit more, there were plenty of times that I have said "F Harley...I'll never buy one again". But I didn't really mean it. I was just venting.
So, like Chip said, you don't have to agree or even ride the same brand of bike to be friends, but it certainly does give you something in common to talk about if you hang out with people within the same bike family.
Do you guys sometimes think that I just like to type? I don't have much to say, but I made 4 paragraphs out of it. :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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I like Levi's jeans. Some people like Lee jeans, and yet others prefer Wranglers. The funny thing is I have never had a friend complain to me that he's tired of getting holes in his Levi's and that he is seriously considering switching brands. If someone came to me with this information, I sure wouldn't take the time to argue about it.
It's a bit humorous at how we get all defensive when it's our bikes that we are talking about. When push comes to shove, I really don't care what anyone else rides. You can ride a Schwinn and I'll ride with you if you can keep up. As I thought about this topic a bit more, there were plenty of times that I have said "F Harley...I'll never buy one again". But I didn't really mean it. I was just venting.
So, like Chip said, you don't have to agree or even ride the same brand of bike to be friends, but it certainly does give you something in common to talk about if you hang out with people within the same bike family.
Do you guys sometimes think that I just like to type? I don't have much to say, but I made 4 paragraphs out of it. :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Can I have an Amen Brother? :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Looks like one of those "wind up bikes" Gonna wind up with a Harley :2vrolijk_21:
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Even though Harley hasn't really been able to tap into the younger market, I still believe that as that younger population ages, they too will switch over to Harleys, when they are able to afford to do so. That, of course, is assuming Harley still exists. I've talked to lots of the younger guys out there riding their crotch rockets. Most of them have a common thread in their thinking. Most of them mention to me that someday they'll probably trade up to a Harley. The common thread is that they are saying "up". So even when those sport bikes come flying by and don't wave, they still feel that the long range plan is to buy a Harley. I'm not meaning to expand this to a new argument...just sayin'. 8)
I think that Harley is starting to do a good job appealing to the younger market with there new line of bikes. I do agree, most my age that I know say that they would love to trade "up" to a Harley but are unable to due to price. At 24, I am just lucky that I could afford two.
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I happen to have an 06 CVO Ultra Classic and a 04 Victory King Pin. I bought the King Pin new and have put 28000KM on it - Sturgis, California, West Coast etc. I have also done the same trips on my Harley. I am able to say with no bias what so ever that the Victory in many ways is superior to the Harley. Better fuel consuption, better handling(no questioning about this point) Very comfortable ride, lots of power with the 100 inch engine which was stock then. With a Harley you needed to buy up to get the bigger engine to compete with the horse power. Having said all this I love my old fashion Harley because of what it also offers, as for the looks; many people have said what a nice looking bike the Victory is. In my mind there is no question that Victory, especially with the new Cross Country will eventually get a large maket share from Harley, particularly if they don,t make some changes. The dinasoaur owners of Harleys will be replaced and Victory will be right there.
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I still think the Victory's are nothing more then an Arlen Ness creation of an ugly Mess ;D Another Ness Mess :confused5:
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Put quite simply 8) I have friends that ride Victory's, Gold Wings, and Suzuki's and my girlfriend's Honda next to my Harley in the garage. My feeling has always been TWO WHEELS ARE BETER THAN FOUR :pepper:
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I like to ride my two wheeled vehicle with others who like to ride their two wheeled vehicles.
Sometimes they like the look of my bike and sometimes I like the look of theirs.
I have no intention of getting a new two wheeled vehicle in the near future, so I best be in love with it, which I am.
But, I still love to look at the two wheeled vehicles others ride.
Sometimes I like em, sometimes I don't care about em.
But I never really dislike any of them.
Even the most ridiculous rat bikes have something about them that I like.
:bananarock: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :pineapple: :coolblue: :cherry: :pepper: :2vrolijk_21:
Lets go for a ride together, no matter what two wheeled vehicle you choose to ride.
It will be fun. ;D
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I think that Harley is starting to do a good job appealing to the younger market with there new line of bikes. I do agree, most my age that I know say that they would love to trade "up" to a Harley but are unable to due to price. At 24, I am just lucky that I could afford two.
Harley is stopping production of the Beull on October 30th. That will eliminate a lot of younger buyers.
Here's a news link:http://www.fox6now.com/news/witi-091015-harley-earnings,0,5025620.story
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You know why I like riding with other types, because when other people looks at all them they all say, I'll take the Harley. :2vrolijk_21:
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Put quite simply 8) I have friends that ride Victory's, Gold Wings, and Suzuki's and my girlfriend's Honda next to my Harley in the garage. My feeling has always been TWO WHEELS ARE BETER THAN FOUR :pepper:
I don't know about that,, I can think of many four wheels I'd rather ride than 'some' two wheeler.. Man I've had my eyes on a Cobra Kit car with a ground pounding 429.. now that be a four wheeler no one could deny :P
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I don't know about that,, I can think of many four wheels I'd rather ride than 'some' two wheeler.. Man I've had my eyes on a Cobra Kit car with a ground pounding 429.. now that be a four wheeler no one could deny :P
I will admit that some of the chit that rolls across the Barett Jackson stage would be " almost as much fun" as ridin two wheels :pepper:
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BTW, none of this has anything to do with my original post and question. Why blow off the Honda just because it's too quiet, but the first thing a Harley guy does is replace the stock pipes because the stockers are too quiet.
Because making a flat six louder doesn't make it sound better...It just sounds like the buzz bombs with neon lights and tall spoilers....Not my ride.
...I'm just sayin'!.... :nixweiss:
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HELLO ALL - I hate all the copycat manufacturing out there . and will never buy anything but a harley - and as far as ARLEN NESS - I WILL NEVER BUY ANYTHING OF HIS .. he is a trader - almost as bad as BRET FAVRE... take care , jeff