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Title: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: bubtrauma on August 16, 2017, 11:37:54 AM
This scared the chit out of me. We were all loaded up and leaving red lodge and going about 20mpg when I took my hands off the bars to zip up my sleeve cuffs. About the time I was done the front handle bars started to shake. I then tried it at different speeds and after six seconds it would start to wobble. I have heard of the go speed wobble but not this. The bike is fine whole I hold on. I often ride with no hands just to give them a rest but now I am puzzled. I am going to try it with  no luggage and see.

2014 Mount Rushmore Limited

This happen to anyone else?

Bob
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: moscooter on August 16, 2017, 11:50:21 AM
 ::)
Being "all loaded up" as you say..........makes it sound as if you may have a tour model.  I can say and (likely many others) that a tour model loaded up with luggage can often have a low speed wobble.  Maybe you have (cruise control) and if so, you could just take one hand off the bars at a time to rest them.

By the way,  you should be getting closer to 40mpg,  only 20mpg suggests a tuning problem. ;D
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: grc on August 16, 2017, 12:08:53 PM

Hey Bob, help everyone out and add the year and model to your profile so we will always know the year and model you're talking about.  Many issues have different answers depending on the model and year.

I'd suggest having the tire and wheel lateral runout checked as well as the balance.  If OK, how about the steering head bearing preload and lubrication?  I seem to remember you mentioning a 2014 in the past, if that's what you're talking about have you had the front end serviced?  Starting in 2014 the Touring models call for steering head service at 25k mile intervals.

Jerry
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: bubtrauma on August 16, 2017, 03:00:28 PM
Thanx
I don't have 20k yet but what does the steering service entail. My wobble happens at any speed. I am careful now about riding with hands off and I will try with not being loaded up.

Thanx for the comments
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: skratch on August 16, 2017, 04:59:37 PM
my road glide is a 2013, so the procedure is a bit different.

I would get a wobble on decal around the 40 mph mark.  after I noticed this, I jacked the bike up, levelled it front to rear and did the fallaway check.  I got 3 swings out of it.  while this is 'in spec' for a touring bike, hd had changed the spec for the roadglide specifically.  I tightened up the front end so I would get only 1 swing.  no more wobble, at any speed (though admittedly I haven't tried it at or above 100, not going to either  :huepfenlol2:)

on the rushmore bikes, a full service on the front end entails a complete tear down (that's at the 25k mile mark).  if you aren't there, you could just tighten up the preload and see how that fares.
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: grc on August 16, 2017, 07:49:58 PM
Thanx
I don't have 20k yet but what does the steering service entail. My wobble happens at any speed. I am careful now about riding with hands off and I will try with not being loaded up.

Thanx for the comments

You'll notice that the 2014 and later bikes no longer have a grease zerk for the steering head bearings.  The service now is similar to the Dyna models, and requires removing the entire front end so you can remove, clean, inspect, and repack the bearings.  Then after reinstalling the rest of the parts they have an updated method to check the bearing preload (no longer use the fall-away method).

You can have the swing back (new method) performed now without doing the full service until it's called for.  I'd have it done by someone who actually knows what they're doing and if the result shows the adjustment on the loose side of the spec, have them adjust the bearing preload to the tighter side of the spec.

Jerry
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: grc on August 16, 2017, 07:51:30 PM

Swing Back - Pg 1
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: grc on August 16, 2017, 07:52:30 PM
Swing Back - Pg 2
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: grc on August 16, 2017, 07:53:26 PM

Swing Back - Specs
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: Joel on August 16, 2017, 08:44:05 PM
Start with keeping it simple by checking the air pressure in that front tire.
I had a very similar condition on a road trip once and found that my front tire was down around 20 pounds filled it up to the 36 to 40 area and no problems after that.
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: bubtrauma on August 16, 2017, 09:16:18 PM
Ok I will start with air pressure. Crap the other proceeder must cost a bundle for the dealer to do.

Bob
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: KGB on August 16, 2017, 09:43:37 PM
Ok I will start with air pressure. Crap the other proceeder must cost a bundle for the dealer to do.

Bob

No it will cost you a bundle! ;D
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: bubtrauma on August 17, 2017, 07:24:48 AM
Lol yuh got me on that one serdvd.. ...
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: n8schmitz on August 17, 2017, 08:10:30 AM
Also check the rear shocks. You might be set too light if you're loaded down.  It happened at a higher speed for me, but also when I was loaded down on a trip.  After a bunch of reading here, I had the front swing:return checked etc.  no issues found. Then I read to tighten up the rear shocks.  That solved the issue.  I tightened them up and made them even more stiff when running with two passengers and all gear.  It's a little tougher ride, obviously, but no wobble anymore.


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Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: NH Bulldog on August 17, 2017, 09:15:29 AM
On the 2012 we found that there was a direct issue related to air pressures and ride stability.  We had to find the sweet spot between front tire pressure, rear tire pressure and rear shock air pressure, all combined with the load we were carrying, and where the weight was on the bike (plus our combined weight).  Once we had it dialed in by trial and error, the bike handled great and was very stable. 

When you say "loaded up" make sure you are within the stated capacities of the bike...too much weight on the back (in the tourpak, on the luggage rack, in the saddle bags, plus rear seat passenger, etc.) can shift the balance of the bike to the rear and lighten the front end to the point where there is insufficient down-force to maintain good control.  Shifting the heaviest loads to the lowest points on the bike, and setting rear tire and shocks for the upper max range of weight is about all you can do short of lightening the load.     
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: bubtrauma on August 17, 2017, 09:56:13 AM
MH, those are good comments. We were definitely heavy and I am going to try it empty and what happens. I think you are right.

Bob
Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: Lolo on September 10, 2017, 05:43:01 PM
I also experience woobles with my SGSE 2015, and it is frightening.

The bike is properly maintained, fully equiped with front and rear öhlins shocks/springs and with perfectly balanced and inflated new metzeler tires... and some woobles nevertheless occure in certain situations.

It might usually occure in long curves at different speed from as low as 60 mph, most generally from 75 mph, depending the quality of the road asphalt or bumps. But it also occurs in straight line at higher speed and above 100 mph it's, let's say unpredictive.

The phenomenon is amplified when loaded with a mid size HD luggage installed in the passenger seat with a sissy.

After having experienced woobles at different speed, I have almost lost confidence in this motorcycle above 70 mph despite the fact that it can easily reach 125 mph.

Even with $$$ invested in performance suspension the scoot is subject to woobles, so l guess the motorcycle conception is flawed by design. I never experienced that with my Springer, even at high speed. This is a real issue and I am clueless on how it can be solved. That sucks and it is dangerous, specially here in Europe where highway speed is usually 75-80 mph, even not limited on some part in Germany.



Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: moscooter on September 10, 2017, 06:44:09 PM
 :-\

Lolo,  maybe you have never seen this write-up regarding the H.D. wobble, but this guy breaks it down somewhat to give you a perspective as to why it happens..........as he sees it.

Title: Re: Yikes..... Wobble
Post by: Lolo on September 11, 2017, 06:53:32 PM
Thank you for the very interesting document. So now the 600$ question is does a kind of swing arm and front stabilizer plate will solve the issue? Hard to get a definitive answer on this as I have read different posts on such systems which relate zero to magic effects.