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CVO Technical => Drive Train => Topic started by: 4fun on December 04, 2017, 11:10:33 PM
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I need an opinion from some of the knowledgeable people here.
After putting 1,000 miles on the new engine since it was replaced, the primary now has 9,000 miles on it I replaced the oil in the engine and the primary. The drain plug on the primary had metal shavings on it. Was wondering how much is too much.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171205/e8bb76b123bde4acbf24144e413ca804.jpg)
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Any is to much. Don't leave it you need to find what's going on. If anything there should only be clutch muck
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do you have the stock chain tensioner?
tossed mine in the trash it was ratcheting up the chain way too tight so that being said i went with the baker manual adjuster
I have heard about crank bearings and trannys input shaft bearings turning to toast
once the bearings start to get torn up and they get some play the automatic tensioner just keeps on ratcheting up the tension its a vicious cycle until there is a total chernobyl melt down I would open the primary just to be sure better safe than sorry
I don't care what magic oil you run there will always be something on the drain plug (I run Mobil 1 atf synthetic)
Yours does not fall into the OH Crap now what category in my opinion
Its called deterioration resulting from ordinary use and exposure to heat
I have rebuild dozens of gear boxes, differentials, transfer cases,manual and automatic transmissions
if things are good button it up ride it like you stole it....
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I wouldn't be concerned with what your photo is showing for break in.
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do you have the stock chain tensioner?
tossed mine in the trash it was ratcheting up the chain way too tight so that being said i went with the baker manual adjuster
I have heard about crank bearings and trannys input shaft bearings turning to toast
once the bearings start to get torn up and they get some play the automatic tensioner just keeps on ratcheting up the tension its a vicious cycle until there is a total chernobyl melt down I would open the primary just to be sure better safe than sorry
I don't care what magic oil you run there will always be something on the drain plug (I run Mobil 1 atf synthetic)
Yours does not fall into the OH Crap now what category in my opinion
Its called deterioration resulting from ordinary use and exposure to heat
I have rebuild dozens of gear boxes, differentials, transfer cases,manual and automatic transmissions
if things are good button it up ride it like you stole it....
Its all stock.
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I wouldn't be concerned with what your photo is showing for break in.
I corrected my original post. The engine is new but the primary has 9,000 miles on it. Any concern?
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Unfortunately it has become common to find more metal on the drain plug magnet since 2007 and the redesigned primary. A small amount was always evident on the earlier models, but with the changes in the primary and the compensator the metal debris has increased significantly. That's why I recommend people change the primary fluid every 5k along with the motor oil, even though Harley changed the interval to 10k. Look at photos of the late model compensators that have been removed and you'll see where much of that metal is coming from.
JMHO - Jerry
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+1 doesn't seem uncommon. More frequent changes with synthetic lubricant.
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This is what i have done i got rid of the compensator completely switch to solid sprocket the one from Evolution Industries
it was the only one that works for the cvo 110 i don't like the metal on metal compensator
do yourself a big favor get rid of the stock tensioner and get a manual one there are a few out there i have ordered and sent back
ones with springs and one that worked on a hydraulic theory
i went with the baker armored manual adjuster set it check it once a year done deal
Evolution Industries make some killer stuff for harley i live a few miles from them so i stopped by
I met with Jim the owner he knows what works he puts a lot of heart into his stuff also hands on
he is my go to when i have any concerns and as far as what oil to use this is my own opinion on this topic
just ask yourself would you run motor oil in your automatic or manual trans ?
I am running ATF mobil 1 synthetic very happy with the results it works for me
Have a nice day
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I change my primary every 5,000 miles with Redline primary fluid and I get nothing sticking to the magnet. I use the Hayden tensioner and I am satisfied that it works. I think that 5,000 miles is a good number for the primary drain and change.
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This is what i have done i got rid of the compensator completely switch to solid sprocket the one from Evolution Industries
it was the only one that works for the cvo 110 i don't like the metal on metal compensator
do yourself a big favor get rid of the stock tensioner and get a manual one there are a few out there i have ordered and sent back
ones with springs and one that worked on a hydraulic theory
i went with the baker armored manual adjuster set it check it once a year done deal
Evolution Industries make some killer stuff for harley i live a few miles from them so i stopped by
I met with Jim the owner he knows what works he puts a lot of heart into his stuff also hands on
he is my go to when i have any concerns and as far as what oil to use this is my own opinion on this topic
just ask yourself would you run motor oil in your automatic or manual trans ?
I am running ATF mobil 1 synthetic very happy with the results it works for me
Have a nice day
I tried the Evo Ind sprocket and had terrible vibrations. I believe they need the comp assembly. Problem solved after new comp assembly installed. :nixweiss:
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The compensator serves an important function other than just making the bike feel "smoother". It helps to soften the impact of engine pulses and feedback through the final drive system, but it is also protecting that pressed crankshaft. Eliminate it at your own risk and peril.
Jerry
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Well said Jerry :2vrolijk_21:
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the debris on your plug compares to mine (no more/less) and i change my oil every 5k ,,, all three holes. i wouldnt worry
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Thanks everyone for the input.
I guess I am just overly paranoid after the lifters taking out the engine at 8,000 miles.
I knew I could count on this site for some good advice on reassurance.
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Dude, put your compensator back in, Listen to Jerry, he is 100% correct.