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[osmacat]

What do you think the MoCo has on tap for 2008?

[skippy]

Service mgr told me that the motors will be more tamper proof , no hot rodding  and more EPA crapp...

[RedDevil]

Service mgr told me that the motors will be more tamper proof , no hot rodding  and more EPA crapp...

Wonder how they're going to do that?  Lock the side covers, so you can't get to the ECM, make it so if the ECM is ever disconnected/bypassed that the bike shuts down?  There's going to have to make it biker-proof, cuz a lot of the guys here are really good wrenches and they'll find a way around anything the MoCo does.  JMO.
Cheers ,
Red

[UltraPolecat]

Every time I read this stuff it makes me even happier I got an o6 while I could.  Love that bike!

[UglyJohn]

Well, I wish that I kept the old carbed 2000 RK with what I hear now. The Jester is getting some work done it now. Would be a shame if the 2008 were locked down. But the good thing, you would save monies that you would have spent on the all the upgrades! Well, I tried to put a positive on it. Later.
Ugly John

[RJ749]

Well, I wish that I kept the old carbed 2000 RK with what I hear now. The Jester is getting some work done it now. Would be a shame if the 2008 were locked down. But the good thing, you would save monies that you would have spent on the all the upgrades! Well, I tried to put a positive on it. Later.
Ugly John

Currently there are always low mileage bikes showing up for sale, that may change if there is a way to lock down the new bikes.  My guess is they'll have a seal like single class racing motors and if it is broken the warranty will be void.

So what's new there, most warranty stuff is toast anyway.  We'll all be doing the same stuff to the new motors (if sealed) as we do now.

[twincam]

Man that is like new radars, drug tests, ect, they come up with something bigger and better and someone else comes up with a way to beat it!!!

[Twolanerider]

The aftermarket for the bike world won't be any less energetic that it has been for years (and years) in the automotive world.  So while there may be some lag to address new constraints imposed by the OEM it won't last long; it never has. 

While there may be short term hassles involved in such things the one thing that brings a grin to me is that HDI is hurting, first, it's own dealerships with things like this.  The same shops that all too often in one breath tell us with a straight face that things can't be done or shouldn't be done, then in the next breath exercise perfect willingness to do the same types of things themselves will be the first ones hamstrung by any new service requirement.  Serves them right.

[ultrafxr]

The aftermarket for the bike world won't be any less energetic that it has been for years (and years) in the automotive world.  So while there may be some lag to address new constraints imposed by the OEM it won't last long; it never has. 

While there may be short term hassles involved in such things the one thing that brings a grin to me is that HDI is hurting, first, it's own dealerships with things like this.  The same shops that all too often in one breath tell us with a straight face that things can't be done or shouldn't be done, then in the next breath exercise perfect willingness to do the same types of things themselves will be the first ones hamstrung by any new service requirement.  Serves them right.

You are right TL.  I couldn't help but think that when the moco did away with all the SE goodies (except the street legal ones) that they were putting a big dent in the dealers pocketbooks.  I know they sell lots and lots of aftermarket stuff but it doesn't have the same margin as what they got from the moco I am sure.  But they are surviving very well.  Just have to sell more t-shirts and moco logoed chit.

[SPIDERMAN]

Had my usual Saturday chat with my owner today. We talked about the fine line he is walking in all of the Screamin Eagle (crossed flag stuff) work that goes on in his shop. He says it is a topic of discussion on a weekly basis amoung he and his managers and that they are constantly monitoring what is happening on all fronts with regard to regulation and enforcement. What happened to Jesse James concerned him greatly. He spoke about how aggresively the MoCo has marketed Screamin Eagle products. He feels his problems when they become that will not come from the MoCo, but from government entities like C.A.R.B ( California Air Resources Board) and the EPA/DOT. So my point here is don't worry about the MoCo doing things to their bikes so that they can't be modified. As I said they've got too big a stake in that with the whole Screamin Eagle Brand line. Worry about enforcement via the government. In Maine, if a cop stops you for modified exhaust, he'll ask you if it was done by a dealer. If you tell him yes and name the dealer, he'll fill out a report and another cop will visit the dealer and confirm if they installed the pipes or not via their work order system. If they did, they get a fine as well as the guy on the bike and the dealer's fine is a lot more substantial than the rider. Long story short from what I hear, The H-D dealers in Maine will not install performance exhaust systems on bikes for customers.

B B

[Twolanerider]

In Maine, if a cop stops you for modified exhaust, he'll ask you if it was done by a dealer. If you tell him yes and name the dealer, he'll fill out a report and another cop will visit the dealer and confirm if they installed the pipes or not via their work order system. If they did, they get a fine as well as the guy on the bike and the dealer's fine is a lot more substantial than the rider. Long story short from what I hear, The H-D dealers in Maine will not install performance exhaust systems on bikes for customers.

B B

That would make Maine stiffer than EPA or California guidelines.  Can't speak to accuracy but I did at least make sure the citations in the following were correct.  Seems to give an attempt at explanation of Maine statutory requirements as of about one year ago.

http://www.ubm-usa.org/inspection.html

[hd-dude]

All of the dealers here in the Bay Area will not install any performance parts on bikes any longer. Not even the SE offerings. If they are not street legal they won't do it, but they will gladly sell you the parts to install on you "off Road" bike.

[JCZ]

All of the dealers here in the Bay Area will not install any performance parts on bikes any longer. Not even the SE offerings. If they are not street legal they won't do it, but they will gladly sell you the parts to install on you "off Road" bike.

It's the same with all the dealerships here in the big valley.  And from what Big Brian has said above........sounds like it may be the same all throughout Calif.  or will be in the very near future.

Somewhere on this site there's an article posted that indicates that the EPA was/is starting with dealerships in the west and then going to move eastward across the country.  After putting a stop to the dealerships they'll then target independants and then the owners themselves.  Better get your mods done now.

[RJ749]

It's the same with all the dealerships here in the big valley.  And from what Big Brian has said above........sounds like it may be the same all throughout Calif.  or will be in the very near future.

Somewhere on this site there's an article posted that indicates that the EPA was/is starting with dealerships in the west and then going to move eastward across the country.  After putting a stop to the dealerships they'll then target independents and then the owners themselves.  Better get your mods done now.

Just like they did with car dealerships decades ago, when the legislation finally has been placed on motorcycles to comply the dealers face hefty fines for modifying emissions.  It isn't worth the risk for a dealer to hang his multimillion dollars investment out for the sake of louder pipes, raw emissions or performance.  Once all of the dealers comply the playing field is leveled and they once again will be on even competitive ground.

Until a few receive penalties and the word gets around there will be those very few that continue to alter bikes but it won't be long before the few also realize the EPA is not messing around.  As metro areas grow and emissions testing is placed on motorcycles the evolution to fewer and fewer performance mods will happen.

The bright side will be more performance offerings from the factory right out of the box, similar to what car manufacturers have gone to with SRT models and Ford CVO's.

[jeffj]

tons of info but some very alarming issues and reports
http://www.mrf.org/


jeffj

[The Bolvine Gigolo!]

Every time I read this stuff it makes me even happier I got an o6 while I could.  Love that bike!

Hey! I'll second that BUT for the 05's I love that bike  :cherry:there easy to modify I think it was the best color combo that year of all the 04's came close. Thats why I bought Bandanagirl the same year. I think every year it's going to get harder and harder to get anything done. Even this year I've had Tech's tell me that in there opinion the 103's are alot better motor to work on or with then the 110's.

Don  

[Eqcons]

Wonder how they're going to do that?  Lock the side covers, so you can't get to the ECM, make it so if the ECM is ever disconnected/bypassed that the bike shuts down?  There's going to have to make it biker-proof, cuz a lot of the guys here are really good wrenches and they'll find a way around anything the MoCo does.  JMO.
Cheers ,
Red

I reckon they'll give you the valves on Air Cleaner and Exhaust that we already have Charlie.

Jim

[RedDevil]

I reckon they'll give you the valves on Air Cleaner and Exhaust that we already have Charlie.

Jim

Jim,
You could be right on the money there.  Next come the electrically operated "flapper" valves.  But the good thing is, those things can be removed.  You're working on that issue as we speak aren't you? 
Cheers ,
Red

[Eqcons]

Jim,
You could be right on the money there.  Next come the electrically operated "flapper" valves.  But the good thing is, those things can be removed.  You're working on that issue as we speak aren't you? 
Cheers ,
Red

Indeed I am! 

I'll let you know in due course.....

Jim

[mr_magoo]

Yeap Big Brother is going to help us out again.  Oh boy

[Bagger]

I'm with UPC.  No more new bikes for me.  It is getting to the point where these things are gonna be like cages.............you have to go to the dealer to get "ANYTHING" done.  Personally, I like doing my own work.  I'm sticking with my 06, and if I get a hankering for another scoot............there is always eBay.

[SPIDERMAN]

That would make Maine stiffer than EPA or California guidelines.  Can't speak to accuracy but I did at least make sure the citations in the following were correct.  Seems to give an attempt at explanation of Maine statutory requirements as of about one year ago.

http://www.ubm-usa.org/inspection.html

Don
     I was hesitant to quote anyone, buy my information came direct from Calvin Reynolds who is the owner of Big Moose H-D in Portland Maine as well as the dealerships in Augusta and Bangor Maine. Cal is more or less retired, his son Steve whom I grew up with runs things now, but Steve as well as his GM Maverick echoed Cal's comments. From reading your link,( interesting that UMB is not the only game in Maine these days) I would infer that what is happening is similar to cops who write tickets for helmets the deem unfit purely of their own judgement. Thanks for the link

B B

[Twolanerider]

Don
     I was hesitant to quote anyone, buy my information came direct from Calvin Reynolds who is the owner of Big Moose H-D in Portland Maine as well as the dealerships in Augusta and Bangor Maine. Cal is more or less retired, his son Steve whom I grew up with runs things now, but Steve as well as his GM Maverick echoed Cal's comments. From reading your link,( interesting that UMB is not the only game in Maine these days) I would infer that what is happening is similar to cops who write tickets for helmets the deem unfit purely of their own judgement. Thanks for the link

B B

I was wondering much the same thing Brian.  Whether the officers are simply misinstructed from higher up the food chain or writing what they've learned the market will accept is a different question of course.  But given what yours were telling you and, at some variance to what they're experience in real life, what statute still seems to be it seems that someone is taking advantage somewhere.

Historically what has been the rep of the state patrol (and others up there)?  Ok to work with and straight shooters unless you screw up?  Or the other side of the coin that takes not the advantages granted but those they can get away with too?  Might give some insight about where practices that at least seem beyond statute or admin rule originally come from.

[SPIDERMAN]

Don,
        I have the utmost respect for Maine State Troopers. They are professionals through and through. Even in my bad old days running a tri-state 1% club, they ALWAYS treated me in a professional manner. Never once busted me or any of my guys on chicken chit crap. Townie cops on the other hand are as bad as what most people think an Alabama Sheriff is like. Some towns worst than others with the Old Orchard Beach PD heading the dickhead list. Westbrook PD a close 2nd followed by Lewiston and so on. Portland PD was a matter of " don't poke the elephant and he won't sit on you "
      Same thing pretty much holds in New Hampshire and Vermont. State Troopers are to be respected whether you're runnin on the right side of the law or the wrong. You go to Laconia, it'll be Townie cops hasslin you. And VT is nothin but little small burgs and lots of state highways, so you can see how that goes.

[Twolanerider]

Don,
        I have the utmost respect for Maine State Troopers. They are professionals through and through. Even in my bad old days running a tri-state 1% club, they ALWAYS treated me in a professional manner. Never once busted me or any of my guys on chicken chit crap. Townie cops on the other hand are as bad as what most people think an Alabama Sheriff is like. Some towns worst than others with the Old Orchard Beach PD heading the dickhead list. Westbrook PD a close 2nd followed by Lewiston and so on. Portland PD was a matter of " don't poke the elephant and he won't sit on you "
      Same thing pretty much holds in New Hampshire and Vermont. State Troopers are to be respected whether you're runnin on the right side of the law or the wrong. You go to Laconia, it'll be Townie cops hasslin you. And VT is nothin but little small burgs and lots of state highways, so you can see how that goes.

Not unexpected.  You do tend to see the same thing pretty much all over the country.  Locals are very much hit-and-miss while you've got a good idea what to expect from the state patrols.  Would like to say that it adds to the spice of things.  But can remember the occasion or three when the local and regional spices were a bit bitter.

[d o g o l s]

What do you think the MoCo has on tap for 2008?

first the should get the 2007 run well

[Eqcons]

first the should get the 2007 run well

Is yours not running well, Dogols?

Jim

[napalm]

  I stopped in Big Moose HD in Portland Maine before Christmas on a business trip, great bunch of people work there.  BS'd with a sales guy for awhile, he knew his stuff & the ladies in the apperal area were helpful also.  Wish every HD Dealership was that good!!!! 

napalm

[bisounours]

Is yours not running well, Dogols?

Jim

Hey Jim,

Remember you, Dogols had not all horses with is bike !
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php/topic,8845.msg147257.html#msg147257
Perhaps, now the problem is solve.

Hello Dogols, do you solve your problem ?

Jacques

[Eqcons]

Hey Jim,

Remember you, Dogols had not all horses with is bike !
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php/topic,8845.msg147257.html#msg147257
Perhaps, now the problem is solve.

Hello Dogols, do you solve your problem ?

Jacques

Ah, yes, I remember, Jacques.


Jim

[Glide-man]

  Ok, Sounds like we all need to get involved in some sort of action to stop this chit from happening. Isn't that what the "American Motorcyclist Association " is for? rights, riding, racing! I'd ride my bike if it sounded like a vacuum cleaner however it sure wouldn't be as much fun. . The streets might be a little cleaner tho.  Is a "Harley still a Harley" with out it's sound?

[RJ749]

Ok, Sounds like we all need to get involved in some sort of action to stop this chit from happening. Isn't that what the "American Motorcyclist Association " is for? rights, riding, racing! I'd ride my bike if it sounded like a vacuum cleaner however it sure wouldn't be as much fun. . The streets might be a little cleaner tho.  Is a "Harley still a Harley" with out it's sound?

The horse has already left the barn Gman.

[Hoist!]

So basically what you guys are saying here is, that like every year before, no one has a clue what they're doing. I looked back to the '06 posts about the same subject on the '07s. So many people knew what was coming. Nobody was right and there were some crazy things talked about that they were definitely doing. None of them were done. You know HD is about the best there is at keeping a lid on this stuff. I find it kinda interesting! Hoist!

[Twolanerider]

So basically what you guys are saying here is, that like every year before, no one has a clue what they're doing. I looked back to the '06 posts about the same subject on the '07s. So many people knew what was coming. Nobody was right and there were some crazy things talked about that they were definitely doing. None of them were done. You know HD is about the best there is at keeping a lid on this stuff. I find it kinda interesting! Hoist!

You want to pick the Servi-Car along with me?  Maybe there will be two models?

[RJ749]

You want to pick the Servi-Car along with me?  Maybe there will be two models?

With and without reverse.........that makes two doesn't it?

[RJ749]

You want to pick the Servi-Car along with me?  Maybe there will be two models?

Found a pic of the Servi-Car for 2008

[Fired00d]

Found a pic of the Servi-Car for 2008

Wonder what the rear of that thing looks like?

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[mr_magoo]

Well I'd heard they had a deal with leman trikes but thats the first one i've seen.  Like the wide front tire.

[nidan]

The EPA regs will get more stringent, and mods more difficult to be legal.

I'm very happy with my 02 carbed stage IV 95" motor, and as much as I like the new 110's , they don't put out as much hp as mine does  an not much more torque off the floor. Motorcyclist dyno'd
a  07 SE dyna and it had 89.4hp@5500 105.2lbs ft @3000 .  For 110 " that's pathetic.

I see the V-rod based engines eventually taking over, perhaps in larger displacement.

Water cooling and fuel injection is not a bad thing , just different.

[SixGun]

I have it on good source that until some of the "old traditionalists" in the executive branch of MoCo departs, you will not see a water cooled touring bike.  That said however, EPA regs may override that in the not to distant future.

Don't forget the "gloom & doom" predicted about catalytic converters in cars 15 years ago.  We have more HP coming out of standard muscle cars today than the hotrods of the 60s & 70s on leaded gas!

[SPIDERMAN]

You want to pick the Servi-Car along with me?  Maybe there will be two models?

 

[Twolanerider]

c'mon BB, that was three weeks old.  There's a rule on how long you can wait to fake annoyance.  48 hours is it. After that it costs you one beer per missed day.  I just scored like two weeks worth of beers  !

[SixGun]

I hear ya (beatin the dead horse) Spiderman...if I lived in California I'd hate to hear about doing mods myself.  We "East of the San Andreas Fault" still enjoy the freedoms of no emission rules.

Here in Tennessee we have no inspections and nobody really cares what you do to anything!  I love the Southeast......

[SPIDERMAN]

I hear ya (beatin the dead horse) Spiderman...if I lived in California I'd hate to hear about doing mods myself.  We "East of the San Andreas Fault" still enjoy the freedoms of no emission rules.

Here in Tennessee we have no inspections and nobody really cares what you do to anything!  I love the Southeast......

Hey Sixgun,
                  You're still a bit new around here since you've obviously never heard the way we ride SoCal style. Lane splittin in rush hour at 90mph. And neither of my bikes have got anything resembling emmision control on em unless you count the Beano my old lady gets me to take 

B B

[SixGun]

Spiderman...I love lane splitting and we can't do it here, oh, and did I mention we have to wear helmets as well!

[SixGun]

Do have the same engine?  I thought you had to have a special engine out there?

[CVOJOE]

Only thing visible, aside from higher price tags in "Kalitforya" is a silly little carbon cannister that is hung underneath and a few more lines on the labe referencing the emissions compliance. Don't know of any de-tuning that goes on, except for Brian Beano, but that is the Muffled Eagle option. 

Joe

[d o g o l s]

Is yours not running well, Dogols?

Jim

no the are working on the bike 4 weeks at came back with just 76 hp bevor it was 72 hp
i change the exaust true dual and rinehart slip ons, se big sucker i got 81 hp
than it got back to dealer moco spendet a SERT i got yet 84 hp thats not nice, mocos germany technical manager told me up to 10% - hp would be ok
i think about getting a BOSS HOSS the got enaugh power and torque

[RJ749]

Anyone else make a Euro dyno run?  Has the shop there done another that would give you an idea of where the Euro spec machines come in?

Hope it is resolved, the Boss Hoss most likely isn't your best choice

[CVOwner]

Not unexpected.  You do tend to see the same thing pretty much all over the country.  Locals are very much hit-and-miss while you've got a good idea what to expect from the state patrols.  Would like to say that it adds to the spice of things.  But can remember the occasion or three when the local and regional spices were a bit bitter.

Screw'em all, they should be out fighting REAL crime instead of bullchit like checking exhaust. That really frosts my butt. Dont get me started.

[djkak]

Only thing visible, aside from higher price tags in "Kalitforya" is a silly little carbon cannister that is hung underneath and a few more lines on the labe referencing the emissions compliance. Don't know of any de-tuning that goes on, except for Brian Beano, but that is the Muffled Eagle option. 

Joe

The Calif EVO's ran a different cam. I don't recall if the Carburetor was a special Calif unit or not.

djkak

[SPIDERMAN]

Do have the same engine?  I thought you had to have a special engine out there?

We do, everyone out here drives like a freakin NASCAR driver so you have to have an even faster motorcycle to survive. Ask Big Daddy. He was wowed at ridin SoCal style with me and the Beags and we were only doin a little over 90. 

[RJ749]

I heard from a very good source that the MopCo will be bringing to the 2008 model line-up a bike with the largest wheels produced to date for any custom machine, not sure if it is width or height though.........................










.

[naitram]

another proto-type

[bisounours]

The 2008 models will be not for me ! 
My legs are too shorts !  Corbin seat and Legend Air will not solve the problem !
And I speak not about the problem of nitrogen in the tires....

Happy to buy a 2007 model 

Jacques

[sooiee]

no the are working on the bike 4 weeks at came back with just 76 hp bevor it was 72 hp
i change the exaust true dual and rinehart slip ons, se big sucker i got 81 hp
than it got back to dealer moco spendet a SERT i got yet 84 hp thats not nice, mocos germany technical manager told me up to 10% - hp would be ok
i think about getting a BOSS HOSS the got enaugh power and torque

dogols,

The bikes are the same US vs. European markets except for a few items. 

Mufflers
A/C backplate
ECM calibration
Lighting (turn signals, headlight, brake, license plate)

If you replace the mufflers, backplate and remap the ecm, you should get similar numbers to us in the states. 

Sounds like someone is not doing their homework.

True Duals will acutally rob your bike of HP unless you go with the stepped head pipe version.  I hope that's what they put on your bike.  Believe it or not...you need the backpreasure to create the HP.  Loudness does not equate HP. 

Keep us posted.
Sooiee

[JW]

We do, everyone out here drives like a freakin NASCAR driver so you have to have an even faster motorcycle to survive. Ask Big Daddy. He was wowed at ridin SoCal style with me and the Beags and we were only doin a little over 90. 

So true, 70mph in the far right slow lane would be slow for that lane in good old SD.

[nidan]

Wouldn't it be nice of all the baggers were 103 stock 

[JW]

Wouldn't it be nice of all the baggers were 103 stock 

I think thats a good idea.  When my completely stock 103, factory a/c, factory pipes, no sert, no pc, no dyno tune, no nothing is doing 93hp, 93torque, thats pretty dam good.

[nidan]

This is the Cycle Visions Road Rod , HD should make something similar with at least the v-rod 1250 kit on it .

[Fired00d]

This is the Cycle Visions Road Rod , HD should make something similar with at least the v-rod 1250 kit on it .

I like the look, and believe this is what we are going to see in the future (watercolored/touring). However as others have mentioned they are going to have to do something w/the frame (rider setup) to sell to the masses. I have ridden a V-Rod and thought it was an exceptional riding bike, but for me being over six feet I couldn't see putting in extended miles/hours on it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[harleyteam]

I'm only 5' 8"    and thought the bike was quick and responsive,,,,,,, but I have a bad back and found it to be very uncomfortable.  after only 15 min. of ride time, my back hurt.

[RJ749]

I like the look, and believe this is what we are going to see in the future (watercolored/touring). However as others have mentioned they are going to have to do something w/the frame (rider setup) to sell to the masses. I have ridden a V-Rod and thought it was an exceptional riding bike, but for me being over six feet I couldn't see putting in extended miles/hours on it.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

Tell the truth Gary, you just want it to be three seater in orange

[RJ749]

I'm only 5' 8"    and thought the bike was quick and responsive,,,,,,, but I have a bad back and found it to be very uncomfortable.  after only 15 min. of ride time, my back hurt.

No fun for anyone with a back issue.  Much like sport bikes.

[Fired00d]

Tell the truth Gary, you just want it to be three seater in orange

You do have the color right. Seriously though I'm done on getting bikes for now. My priority is getting kid finished college and then she can buy me my next bike.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[bbrown]

Word from Tomahawk is that they may be doing something with the Heritage Softail Classic. 

Interesting.....

[UltraPolecat]

Word from Tomahawk is that they may be doing something with the Heritage Softail Classic. 

Interesting.....

Funny, no one really suggested it but it makes perfect sense.  A popular model for many years.

[2006_CVO_HD]

Word from Tomahawk is that they may be doing something with the Heritage Softail Classic. 

Interesting.....

Rumor has it that the touring bike is highly likely gonna be a Road Glide. I hope they do as they have done in the past and offer an Ultra.....

[WFP]

2008 Screamin' Eagle Ultra Tour Glide in radical paint job color schemes....ok it's my dream...let me enjoy it...

[Twolanerider]

Rumor has it that the touring bike is highly likely gonna be a Road Glide. I hope they do as they have done in the past and offer an Ultra.....

Rumors.  Humbug.  Cite it or forget it.

[Twolanerider]

Funny, no one really suggested it but it makes perfect sense.  A popular model for many years.

UP, I have for years had an issue with the Heritage Classis.  They make this great looking bike that looks as if it should go for many many miles with relative ease.  But it's a bar hopping cruiser in semi-touring skin.

[2006_CVO_HD]

Rumors.  Humbug.  Cite it or forget it.

 

[UltraPolecat]

UP, I have for years had an issue with the Heritage Classis.  They make this great looking bike that looks as if it should go for many many miles with relative ease.  But it's a bar hopping cruiser in semi-touring skin.

That is true of all the softails to me.  I prefer the touring type frame with the twin shocks. 

But it is a great looking townie...

[Twolanerider]

Yeah, sorry.  The "rumor" thing every year does bring out my Spiderman said sometimes.  There are so many.  None are ever more correct than an average interested guess might be.  But everyone knows someone who has an in.  Sure they do.

Last year my (cited) source was the the nephew of the lady's pool man who cleaned the Willy G's round the block neighbor's hot tub and he'd told his brother who was related to my cousin (twice removed) about (once again) the Screamin' Eagle Servicar.  The cousin (twice removed) was wrong (again) last year.  But this year he's saying the same thing.  So I'm sure it was just on the drawing board again last year for final release soon.  It's going to be sweet.

[SixGun]

If they don't make an Ultra, mine will hold on to a little more value for a little more time. With the proliferation of Baggers though, It would be a good bet that the Ultra CVO will be around for awhile...especially with the profit they make on em'

[2006_CVO_HD]

Twolanerider......

There is one (1) thing for sure and that is we will know in July after the unveiling at the Harley-Davidson Dealer Show in Nashville, TN. I am really looking forward to seeing what is available because there was some rumbling what the 2006 CVO's would be. I got a call from the general manager from the show in Denver, CO in 2006, he advised he about the FLHTCUSE with the color choices and mine was ordered right there on the spot.

[Twolanerider]

Twolanerider......

There is one (1) thing for sure and that is we will know in July after the unveiling at the Harley-Davidson Dealer Show in Nashville, TN. I am really looking forward to seeing what is available because there was some rumbling what the 2006 CVO's would be. I got a call from the general manager from the show in Denver, CO in 2006, he advised he about the FLHTCUSE with the color choices and mine was ordered right there on the spot.

Too true.  Eyes on the prize is a good source of intel.  It's about that time that it's safe to start trusting the reports too  .

[VAZHOG]

 

[CVOJOE]

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Last year my (cited) source was the the nephew of the lady's pool man who cleaned the Willy G's round the block neighbor's hot tub and he'd told his brother who was related to my cousin (twice removed) about (once again) the Screamin' Eagle Servicar.  The cousin (twice removed) was wrong (again) last year.  But this year he's saying the same thing.  So I'm sure it was just on the drawing board again last year for final release soon.  It's going to be sweet.
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So Don, Willie's pool in service yet or must we wait till mid-June ? 
 

[Twolanerider]

[quote author=Twolanerider link=topic=11306.msg215393#msg215393
Last year my (cited) source was the the nephew of the lady's pool man who cleaned the Willy G's round the block neighbor's hot tub and he'd told his brother who was related to my cousin (twice removed) about (once again) the Screamin' Eagle Servicar.  The cousin (twice removed) was wrong (again) last year.  But this year he's saying the same thing.  So I'm sure it was just on the drawing board again last year for final release soon.  It's going to be sweet.


So Don, Willie's pool in service yet or must we wait till mid-June ? 
 

Pool will be the inspiration for the new algea green paint scheme; or at least that's the rumor  .

[ccr]

For years and years there has been so much speculation, and people bragging about how well connected they were or how well connected someone they know is and on and on.  But last year, we did have a couple of people who did have the real poop, but were asked to hold off because of the barrage of folks who thought they knew what was going on were drowning the couple who really knew.  All the guesses in the world are only that till one really knows.  

But in the dream world, Bill, I'm a little afraid of your projection though.  If they brought a black and orange CVO SE Ultra Road Glide with a kick butt paint scheme, 110 engine (perfected of course) 6 speed transmission.................. I'm afraid an 04 BnB SEEG might just get itself a new home.    

[VAZHOG]

The 2008 models will have new colors and a better 110 engine ( all the previous testing has been done) thanks to all 2007 test pilots that have paved the way for the improvements.

[SPIDERMAN]

The 2008 models will have new colors and a better 110 engine ( all the previous testing has been done) thanks to all 2007 test pilots that have paved the way for the improvements.

VAZ
         Not possible for it to be any worse is it ?

[Twolanerider]

The 2008 models will have new colors and a better 110 engine ( all the previous testing has been done) thanks to all 2007 test pilots that have paved the way for the improvements.

Different paint with a new year model and correcting the prior year's screw ups.  Never have guessed those two  .

[iski]

Different paint with a new year model and correcting the prior year's screw ups.  Never have guessed those two  .

Rumor is there will be even more nitrogen in the tires - exact number remains a mystery.  (.0007?)   

[Twolanerider]

Rumor is there will be even more nitrogen in the tires - exact number remains a mystery.  (.0007?)   

The pool kid said the cousin told him that the housekeeper had heard something about bigger radii for the radails too  .

[iski]

The pool kid said the cousin told him that the housekeeper had heard something about bigger radii for the radails too  .

Oh no!  A verifiable source even!! Our radii will be smaller than the 08 radii!!!  That Willie G. is such a scamp!   

[VAZHOG]

Glad I was able to strike some nerves (or does lead lead to post padding?) Maybe if HD R&D keeps it up they just might come up with a goldwing or a BMW something you could ride and not complain about

[Twolanerider]

Glad I was able to strike some nerves (or does lead lead to post padding?) Maybe if HD R&D keeps it up they just might come up with a goldwing or a BMW something you could ride and not complain about

No way.  HD making a real effort to meet on QC scale with the competition.  That's not even credible as a rumor.

[iski]

Glad I was able to strike some nerves (or does lead lead to post padding?) Maybe if HD R&D keeps it up they just might come up with a goldwing or a BMW something you could ride and not complain about

Heard they might consider some 70's models for a nostalgia series.  Each comes with an oil drip pan painted to match each bike, to catch the oil that drips from each bike.  Memories....... 

[VAZHOG]

Heard they might consider some 70's models for a nostalgia series.  Each comes with an oil drip pan painted to match each bike, to catch the oil that drips from each bike.  Memories....... 

STOP!!! my side is hurtin from laughin'

[VAZHOG]

No way.  HD making a real effort to meet on QC scale with the competition.  That's not even credible as a rumor.

SIR: no way is that a rumor - I'm have never been a rumor monger and never will.

[bbrown]

cvo joe??? 

Very funny....Not

[SPIDERMAN]

Glad I was able to strike some nerves (or does lead lead to post padding?) Maybe if HD R&D keeps it up they just might come up with a goldwing or a BMW something you could ride and not complain about

I love both of my bikes. I'm like that old cowboy song " seldom is heard a disparaging word and the skies are not cloudy all day "  I think it's karma, you get what you deserve in this life for the way you lived before. All these folks with bad paint and motor problems were Wingdingers in the past. Their Harley's know this like a dog can smell cancer.

[JCZ]

I love both of my bikes. I'm like that old cowboy song " seldom is heard a disparaging word and the skies are not cloudy all day "  I think it's karma, you get what you deserve in this life for the way you lived before. All these folks with bad paint and motor problems were Wingdingers in the past. Their Harley's know this like a dog can smell cancer.

  Thanks Brian......that was a good laugh.  Not that I might believe a word of it, but damn funny, just the same. 

Although if I was on the other side (bad paint......peeling chrome that they'll not take care of, etc.) I might not think so.

[SPIDERMAN]

Thanks Brian......that was a good laugh.  Not that I might believe a word of it, but damn funny, just the same. 

Although if I was on the other side (bad paint......peeling chrome that they'll not take care of, etc.) I might not think so.

But you're not are you amigo. Like I said it's Karma. You'd own a SEUC like I'd own an apt in the Castro - - -nyet, nope, nada, uh uh , no way Jose.

[kazumdgc]

so last year how right were we and is the final final on the 08?

[grandpadoc]

I think in the not to distant future all the big inch baggers will be water cooled. The V-Rod engine might be able to be redone to get the torque curve a little to the left. Look at what happened to all the air cooled auto engines in the past to make my point. I don't know why it hasn't happened yet. They would have gotten my order, but instead I bought a low mile 95 inch to play it safe.

[nidan]

The Moco did at least a proposal on a 2000 and 2400 water cooled engine for EPA , I suspect they has at least 1 prototype.  "Build it and the will come"

[grandpadoc]

...check cyclevision.com for the Road Rod. It's already in kit form.

[SBB]

2008 Screaming Eagle Street Rod  (SESR)

21" front wheel  (3 x 21)
18" rear wheel   (200 tire)


That's the word from the Harley shop this morning! 

First two in have our name on them!


                     

[grandpadoc]

Did you have a chance to check cyclevision.com Road Rod ?  Yahoo has gets to this site best. Looks like a well engineered piece. Out here you can get a used rod for not much $$ and convert it. Even has a tourpack. It will be great if it comes from the factory though.

[ccr]

2008 Screaming Eagle Street Rod  (SESR)...First two in have our name on them!

Really, that sincerely surprises me.  Are these just to add to the stable for fun, or are you going to loose a couple of HDs?  Nancy has been saying for two years that her next bike, will be a bagger of some kind.   

[SBB]

Really, that sincerely surprises me.  Are these just to add to the stable for fun, or are you going to loose a couple of HDs?  Nancy has been saying for two years that her next bike, will be a bagger of some kind.   

Candy

Decisions, decisions, decisions
First off, we have no clue as to whats really coming in 08 but losing the anniversary bikes is not an option.
Second, we both like the Street Glide platform but colors always play a big part.
And thirdly, I check every day, two or three sites that list bikes for sale for an 03 silver and black ultra or classic.
So really I haven't a clue as to what we will do.
But whatever it is will include a bagger for Nancy.
Kinda leaning toward two new Vespa's (250GTS) one in silver and one in black. Those two red scooters we have conflict in the garage color scheme.

Time will tell

[ccr]

Nah, I don't believe it for a minute.  I know those two scooters just add a cherry glow to the garage.  And you guys have so much fun on them.   

[SBB]

Nah, I don't believe it for a minute.  I know those two scooters just add a cherry glow to the garage.  And you guys have so much fun on them.   

Some people find it had to believe, but the scooters are the most fun of all.
The fun factor per mile ratio is huge!
They have been to Myrtle Beach, Gatlinburg and Daytona and all over Charlotte.


                                                 

[spydglide]

UP, I have for years had an issue with the Heritage Classis.  They make this great looking bike that looks as if it should go for many many miles with relative ease.  But it's a bar hopping cruiser in semi-touring skin.

well, I gotta take exception to that!  har!  spyder

[Road_Glider]

I wouldn't bet on that one.  But if they do it will save me some coin since I will only buy if it is the RG.  I am happy with my bike as it is since I basically built what the MOCO should have built in terms of the RG anyway.

2008 Screaming Eagle Street Rod  (SESR)

That's the word from the Harley shop this morning!