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Sumped again!
« on: March 31, 2018, 12:08:32 AM »

As I posted a couple of months ago bike sumped and I melted the motor. Harley replaced entire motor and stage 4 and I got it back a few weeks ago. For the first time ever I made myself "play by the rules" and break it in exactly like the dealer told me not going past 3000 rpm's for the first 250 miles, change oil at 500 miles and then not over 4000 RPM's until 1000 miles. Last Saturday I put the last 400 miles on to complete the 1000 mile break in and stopped at the gas station a couple of miles from my house to fill up so I would be ready to roll tomorrow morning and when I took off from the station bike fell on its face and I knew I was screwed. Got home and oil barely registered on the stick. got to dealer Wed and they called me yesterday to tell me bike sumped again!
I am so frustrated I cant think straight!
Before I got this bike Oct 2016 I went and rode many different bikes trying to find something other than another Harley since I still have my 12 CVO Roadglide but i just couldn't find anything else that I really liked though obviously now I wish I would have.
I was so proud of myself when I pulled into that gas station knowing I was done breaking it in and that I actually never "ripped" the throttle and broke it in easy-how ironic..
Really not sure where to go from here but this is getting very close to the definition of insanity!
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2018, 07:14:23 AM »


Sorry to hear bout that Allan!

Good thing is that you still have your warranty. Better thing is that you still have your CVO
Road Glide to Rip around with.


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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2018, 09:07:02 AM »


Sorry to hear it Alan.  That truly sucks.

I'd say, based on your experiences and those of some others with multiple failures, Harley still doesn't have a handle on the real root cause of this problem.  It's pretty sad when they can't get something as basic as this right the first time (or the second, or third, etc.).  Good luck.

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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2018, 09:13:41 AM »

Dang Alan, that really sucks.  I'm sure they will have to replace the motor again, but that sucks as the bike is down.  Did they put in the very latest oil pump from after Nov 2017?
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2018, 09:18:00 AM »

Sorry to hear it Alan.  That truly sucks.

I'd say, based on your experiences and those of some others with multiple failures, Harley still doesn't have a handle on the real root cause of this problem.  It's pretty sad when they can't get something as basic as this right the first time (or the second, or third, etc.).  Good luck.

Jerry

SDCVO:

I hate to even mention it but this issue has gone on long enough!!  It may be time for Harley to step up and buy all of these bikes back OR provide a new 2018 in exchange.

If not the nasty old government may get involved very soon. 

Like everyone here I am very sorry for your loss and admire your tenacity.

Best regards

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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2018, 10:11:51 AM »

JM2C: I'm past the point in my life where motorcycling is about what you ride.  Now, it's more about the camaraderie with friends, the adventure, the trip.  There are a lot of good choices out there, with more reliability - Indian, Yamaha tourers, BMW K1600B, the new Goldwings.

There's something I call "confidence of reliability" that HD just can't seem to deliver.  With the problems you've had (one post on this site said a guy's been thru six engines on his M8) would you really feel confident about taking that 2,000+ mile bike trip...or would you constantly be worried your engine is going to ruin the trip?

Hope you get this worked out - but there's not really anything you can do, short of going to another brand, until the MoCo identifies the true problem.
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2018, 02:00:11 PM »

 hang in there buddy, this is the one time their not going to give you that  oh line of siht .... "they all do that" any how keep us posted on the research   :confused5:
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2018, 10:41:44 PM »

Dang Alan, that really sucks.  I'm sure they will have to replace the motor again, but that sucks as the bike is down.  Did they put in the very latest oil pump from after Nov 2017?
Yes and they told me since they have been using the new oil pumps they (that dealer) has not seen any issues. They won't be saying that anymore.
I will be calling the Motor Co Monday morning and I am going to professionally "light them up". This is beyond ridiculous!
On my Roadglide I gave up on Harley TC and put in a S&S motor after blowing up the 120r I foolishly put in. My actual plan when I got this bike was to have a reliable newer bike for most miles and the RG for ripping it up. Ironic I know..
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2018, 11:01:09 PM »

HD should buy that bike back.. That is just a shame. Im actually going to test ride the new Goldwing soon...
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2018, 08:45:29 AM »

Alan,

I think your the first I have heard that has had the issue with the new oil pump.  I was really hoping that had solved it.  Very sad it has not.
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2018, 08:48:00 AM »

Sumpin still not right with that engine design  :confused5:
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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2018, 02:00:42 PM »

Did they look at the transmission housing? My riding buddy had a defective casting and pieces of metal migrated into the oil pump and destroyed it. It was a M8 107.
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2018, 04:02:39 PM »

Alan,

I think your the first I have heard that has had the issue with the new oil pump.  I was really hoping that had solved it.  Very sad it has not.

Actually, I've seen several reports of multiple failures with the same bike with new engines and the latest design oil pump.  If the dealers were just repairing the existing engine it would be easy (and often accurate) to blame poor workmanship.  But when Harley ships a brand new engine to the dealership and all they do is bolt it into the frame, and that one also fails, that tells me in no uncertain terms that H-D has no clue.  Btw, there have been more than a few reports of sumping with bone stock M8's, standard as well as CVO models, so this isn't just a Stage IV kit issue or just an oil pump issue.  They need to learn how to find the root cause of their many issues, instead of carrying on their tradition of throwing band-aids at things to try to slide by.

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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2018, 11:07:06 AM »

I'm really sorry to hear this Alan.....I feel you!   And you were so damn happy with that bike and now this, after the issues you had with the Road Glide.

You're probably a little surprised that this is coming from me but.........BMW came out with a new model of the 1600 a couple of weeks ago that has a very comfortable riding position (forward mounted, angled floor boards) and look at the HP and TQ numbers and this is stock!  Take a look....  https://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=114990.msg1461371#msg1461371   
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Re: Sumped again!
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2018, 12:00:12 PM »

I'm really sorry to hear this Alan.....I feel you!   And you were so damn happy with that bike and now this, after the issues you had with the Road Glide.

You're probably a little surprised that this is coming from me but.........BMW came out with a new model of the 1600 a couple of weeks ago that has a very comfortable riding position (forward mounted, angled floor boards) and look at the HP and TQ numbers and this is stock!  Take a look....  https://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=114990.msg1461371#msg1461371

Germany has some of the highest labor costs in the world, and yet they sell that bike for $26k MSRP with a list of standard features that makes a $40k Harley look like a slacker.  Even with a Stage IV kit the Harley can't come close to the performance of the Beemer, and the Harley isn't even close in the engine reliability area. Now that they've created a model for the laid back American rider, I can't imagine why more Harley riders wouldn't switch in a heart beat.

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