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[Big Time]

Anyone know the specs on the new 110 (bore and stroke)? The website didn't show. Also with the new 96" motor, I would think that a big bore (3 7/8") would make a nice 103" with about 9.6+ to 1 comp. Sounds like a real nice setup for Andrews 37Gs.

[fatboyse2]

There's some more detail in theis thread:

http://flhrsei.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1152897232/10#10

[CVOJOE]

The 'specs' are supposed to be in the dealerships this week, but it's probably a 96" with a (14 cu in) big bore kit, or different stroker kit,or combination so that works out to be a bit more than the 88-95" big bore kit (7 cu in) or 95" to 103" kit (8 cu in). Be interesting to see how they price out the conversion kits in the catalog.

Zippers is probably already working on getting their hands on one of the new engine assortments.  

[Johnny]

I read that the 110 is a totally new motor (ie not an upgrade of the 103 or 95) with something like 140 new parts but did not have the specs.

[Twolanerider]

I read that the 110 is a totally new motor (ie not an upgrade of the 103 or 95) with something like 140 new parts but did not have the specs.

If you read the interchangeablility lists of the P&A kits that are currently posted they STRONGLY suggest that the 07 stuff is significantly different.  All the interchanges for the upgrades published are "07 and newer."

[Midnight Rider]

If you read the interchangeablility lists of the P&A kits that are currently posted they STRONGLY suggest that the 07 stuff is significantly different.  All the interchanges for the upgrades published are "07 and newer."

Yeah, it doesn't look like it's going to be any kind of bolt on jugs/pistons/heads thing, at least not at first glance.

[naitram]

just gotta check the P&A catalog

option 1 96->103

Screamin' Eagle® Big Bore Stage I Kit for EFI Models - 1690cc

This Big Bore Kit lets you increase the displacement of your Twin Cam 96-equipped model from 96 cubic inches (1584cc) to 103 cubic inches (1690cc). Includes Big Bore cylinders, Big Bore flat top pistons, rings, clips, and a Stage I Air Cleaner Kit with one-piece backplate, integral breathers, all mounting hardware, and gaskets. A high performance clutch spring is included to provide the additional clutch capacity required by the extra power. Requires separate purchase of primary cover gasket. This kit is street legal when used with stock mufflers. (Not all components shown.) All models require ECM calibration. (priced separately). E.O. pending for '07 models. (Available November 2006.)



option 2 96->110

Screamin' Eagle® 110 Cubic Inch Stage I Kit for EFI Models

Bring your Twin Cam motorcycle up to the same displacement and power output as the CVO Screamin' Eagle® models - a whopping 1800cc's. This 50-state street legal kit combines all the proven components of the '07 Screamin' Eagle® models - the 4" big-bore cast pistons and cylinders, SE-255 camshafts, and cylinder heads with automatic compression release. The Screamin' Eagle® cylinder heads and cast piston combination offer a 9.3:1 compression ratio for easy starting. The cylinder heads also prominently feature the "Screamin' Eagle®" script. Kits includes all required gaskets (except primary cover) and hardware to complete the installation. EO Pending for '07 models. All models require ECM calibration. (priced separately) (Available November 2006.)

[naitram]

gonna be some extra labor to goto 110.................

Screamin' Eagle® Case Boring Tool

The Screamin' Eagle® Case Boring Tool takes the guesswork out of boring Twin Cam engine cases to accept oversize cylinders. Designed to be used with a heavy-duty 15" drill press or milling machine, the fixture holds and aligns the cases for accurate machining. Ideal for installing a new '07 Twin Cam 110 cubic inch Stage Kit or a '99-'06 race-use "bigger bore" 113 cubic inch stroker cylinders.

[rtb2]

 8-) 110 ci is a good thing.. is rtb2 thinkin bout jumping ship?? [smiley=nixweiss.gif]

[Midnight Rider]

Nait....I can't get to the P&A site right now...but will the new kits bolt to the old bottom ends?  Or, did they make some changes to them which would prevent the 103 owners from getting any kind of "kit" that would be a bolt on deal?

[naitram]

not enough details in P&A to say for sure, but the 110 kit shows cams that i'm guessin are not compatible with out "older" motors given the new cam plate design. but i would think the cylinders and heads would work, just need to supply your own cams and maybe a bigger intake. but at this time P&A shows a package deal that includes mufflers. may be hard pressed to find a dealer willing to touch this for you. but you still have the "bigger" bore option to goto 113"

[arcticdude]

Anybody else notice the torque curve is 500 rpm lower than the 88 and 1000 rpm lower than the 103 and about 10% stronger?  That could be a real good thing for those of us that like to long distance ride.  I sure hope they've got the efi dialed in better.

[CharlieM]

I don't post much but have the all the new 07 info in pdf if someone wants/host it. Has all the new spec in it for all models...

NEW CVO Engine
• 110 cu. in. 1800 cc engine
• 9.3:1 Compression ratio
• New heads, combustion
chamber, ports and
intake valve
• 255 Cams
• 4 in. bore
• 110-Scripted derby cover
and air cleaner insert
• Syn 3 engine oil
• 1.4 Kw starter
• 4.375 (111.13 mm) stroke;
same as OE engines
• ACR solenoids to ease
start-up – located in
each cylinder head
• Torque range of
105-115 ft. lbs.
measured at crankshaft
(depending on model)
• All CVO models have
hydraulic clutch – DOT 4™

[Twolanerider]

I don't post much but have the all the new 07 info in pdf if someone wants/host it. Has all the new spec in it for all models...

NEW CVO Engine
• 110 cu. in. 1800 cc engine
• 9.3:1 Compression ratio
• New heads, combustion
chamber, ports and
intake valve
• 255 Cams
• 4 in. bore
• 110-Scripted derby cover
and air cleaner insert
• Syn 3 engine oil
• 1.4 Kw starter
• 4.375 (111.13 mm) stroke;
same as OE engines
• ACR solenoids to ease
start-up – located in
each cylinder head
• Torque range of
105-115 ft. lbs.
measured at crankshaft
(depending on model)
• All CVO models have
hydraulic clutch – DOT 4™

Charlie, for your first post that's pretty good stuff.  Interesting that they're including compression releases for such a low advertised compression rate.  Also will be interested to see how well their automatic compression releases work as you know they're doing someing without user intervention if they're doing it for the mass market.

[kng103]

Charlie, for your first post that's pretty good stuff.  Interesting that they're including compression releases for such a low advertised compression rate.  Also will be interested to see how well their automatic compression releases work as you know they're doing someing without user intervention if they're doing it for the mass market.

jap cruisers have been using automatic compression releases for years.

[kng103]

just gotta check the P&A catalog

option 1 96->103

Screamin' Eagle® Big Bore Stage I Kit for EFI Models - 1690cc

This Big Bore Kit lets you increase the displacement of your Twin Cam 96-equipped model from 96 cubic inches (1584cc) to 103 cubic inches (1690cc). Includes Big Bore cylinders, Big Bore flat top pistons, rings, clips, and a Stage I Air Cleaner Kit with one-piece backplate, integral breathers, all mounting hardware, and gaskets. A high performance clutch spring is included to provide the additional clutch capacity required by the extra power. Requires separate purchase of primary cover gasket. This kit is street legal when used with stock mufflers. (Not all components shown.) All models require ECM calibration. (priced separately). E.O. pending for '07 models. (Available November 2006.)



option 2 96->110

Screamin' Eagle® 110 Cubic Inch Stage I Kit for EFI Models

Bring your Twin Cam motorcycle up to the same displacement and power output as the CVO Screamin' Eagle® models - a whopping 1800cc's. This 50-state street legal kit combines all the proven components of the '07 Screamin' Eagle® models - the 4" big-bore cast pistons and cylinders, SE-255 camshafts, and cylinder heads with automatic compression release. The Screamin' Eagle® cylinder heads and cast piston combination offer a 9.3:1 compression ratio for easy starting. The cylinder heads also prominently feature the "Screamin' Eagle®" script. Kits includes all required gaskets (except primary cover) and hardware to complete the installation. EO Pending for '07 models. All models require ECM calibration. (priced separately) (Available November 2006.)

if you look at option one, there is no listing for a cam.
makes me think it has the se-253

[Twolanerider]

jap cruisers have been using automatic compression releases for years.

Yes, but they're a novelty for HD.  And anything that HD seems to try its first year is always interesting.  Not necessarily good, but interesting.

[kng103]

Yes, but they're a novelty for HD.  And anything that HD seems to try its first year is always interesting.  Not necessarily good, but interesting.

agreed

[Puzzled]

gonna be some extra labor to goto 110.................

Screamin' Eagle® Case Boring Tool

The Screamin' Eagle® Case Boring Tool takes the guesswork out of boring Twin Cam engine cases to accept oversize cylinders. Designed to be used with a heavy-duty 15" drill press or milling machine, the fixture holds and aligns the cases for accurate machining. Ideal for installing a new '07 Twin Cam 110 cubic inch Stage Kit or a '99-'06 race-use "bigger bore" 113 cubic inch stroker cylinders.

Any idea on the cost of the fixture? I purchased case splitters a few year ago along with several cam and bearing tools. I may have to add this to my collection.

On that note is it necessary? Seriously, I have the mill and I am capable of setting the cases up. Just curious.

[naitram]

i'm one that believes in having the right tool for the job, especially if not having it would risk ruining a set of cases

[WFP]

And make sure you point out to your significant other each and every time you use the right tool for the right job (twolane, get your mind out of the gutter!).  That way, the next time you say that you need that new tool, you remind them how you used  (new tool) to fix their (whatever was broken).

I have used this tactic many times successfully.

/Bill

i'm one that believes in having the right tool for the job, especially if not having it would risk ruining a set of cases

[Hotrodracer]

Question???  Could you put the 110 kit on a 103 with out cutting the case, then put the take off kit from the 103 on a new 96 without cutting the case on the 96.  Food for thought. Take my FBSE to 110 buy a new Ultra Clasic & take it to 103.  Would work for me.

[kng103]

Question???  Could you put the 110 kit on a 103 with out cutting the case, then put the take off kit from the 103 on a new 96 without cutting the case on the 96.  Food for thought. Take my FBSE to 110 buy a new Ultra Clasic & take it to 103.  Would work for me.

it sounds like you could the later of the two.
the 103 should bolt right up to the 96", but the cases need to be cut for a 110 or 113.

[Twolanerider]

And make sure you point out to your significant other each and every time you use the right tool for the right job (twolane, get your mind out of the gutter!).  That way, the next time you say that you need that new tool, you remind them how you used  (new tool) to fix their (whatever was broken).

I have used this tactic many times successfully.

/Bill

Oh Bill, I joke about anything (everything?) but tools.  That would be a heresy.

[WFP]

Oh Bill, I joke about anything (everything?) but tools.  That would be a heresy.

I still have to build that deck to justify the 12" compound sliding miter saw I bought last year...

[ccr]

I still have to build that deck to justify the 12" compound sliding miter saw I bought last year...

So I see how you are - All of You Guys! - I have a little rust showing up on a wrought iron picnic table, so I wanted to buy the small dremel tools to go on the end of the air compressor to rub that rust off, and then go ahead and repaint. But Nooooo, my husband says the 4 gallon small air compressor he has is not big enough to the do this job.  He would need a bigger air compressor, like a minimum 60 gallon one.

We have tools upon tools, in the garage, some have been in boxes for years. I think this is just a compulsion to own more tools.  

                          

More of your wives and significant others need to read this site.    

[Garznhogs]

So I see how you are - All of You Guys! - I have a little rust showing up on a wrought iron picnic table, so I wanted to buy the small dremel tools to go on the end of the air compressor to rub that rust off, and then go ahead and repaint. But Nooooo, my husband says the 4 gallon small air compressor he has is not big enough to the do this job.  He would need a bigger air compressor, like a minimum 60 gallon one.

We have tools upon tools, in the garage, some have been in boxes for years. I think this is just a compulsion to own more tools.  

                          

More of your wives and significant others need to read this site.    

Uh.. Oh no... Mr.We is correct; you will need the bigger capacity.. it's all about volume and the little one just doesn't have it.  And tools... I'm installing an OCD passing lamp holder on the wife's bike and I need a "Flare nut socket", but don't have one. Might only need it one time, but if you don't have it, you can't adjust the lamps.  See?    It's all innocent and above-board!

Garz

[RedFXR2]

And make sure you point out to your significant other each and every time you use the right tool for the right job.

We have tools upon tools, in the garage, some have been in boxes for years. I think this is just a compulsion to own more tools.

I once suffered from TTD (Too many Tools Disorder).  Then one day it occurred to me just how much space in the garage/attic/storage shed was taken up by tools that I would probably never need again.  Tools that I had bought for a very specific purpose, used once or twice, then put on the shelf.

I've still got engine rebuilding tools that I used in the 1970's.  When my Dad passed away I sold a shed full of power woodworking tools that hadn't been used in decades (thought I admit I kinda wanted to keep some of them, but nowhere to put them).

Nowadays, if it means buying special tools, I generally turn the job over to the pros.  Between the cost of the tool, devoting more storage space thereafter, and what my time is worth, IMO, many times I feel that's the wiser thing to do.

Mrs We:  Go ahead and get the Dremel thing and re-paint your table and be done with it.  I'm betting Jamey doesn't really want to do that job anyway.

[Steve_G]

I wonder if the new cam drive system will prove to make the need for gear drive cams a thing of the past.  Any opinions?  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]-Steve

[hd-dude]

I wonder if the new cam drive system will prove to make the need for gear drive cams a thing of the past.  Any opinions?  [smiley=nixweiss.gif]-Steve

Although the new system may eliminate the wear problem on the tensioner shoes it does not eliminate the power robbing tension that the chain drive system has. The gear drive is much less stress on the motor to turn thus less drag. The other benefit is the possible fluctuation in engine timing with the chain system.

So in my opinion it will change the need to go to gear drive from a "must do" for motor longevity to a performance enhancement.