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Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« on: June 30, 2014, 07:55:02 AM »

Off exit 50 seymour area. Bike just quit after off ramp. Threw a code for neutral safety switch? Cranks won't start. Had a local tow company come out to take me to mann's hd up the road about 30 miles but he had a flatbed and we couldn't make the ramp almost dropped the bike on its side. GRRRR. Had the bike by the handlebars the weight caused my bars to pull all the way back!

HD not open until 9. I'm right on the shoulder of I 65 facing North. Any members in the area? Feeling frustrated.

Jesse
« Last Edit: June 30, 2014, 08:39:49 AM by Jswerve »
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2014, 08:26:05 AM »

Bump this back to the top so it'll show up on the main page.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2014, 08:31:41 AM »

Bump again.....come on folks, let's help Jesse out if you are in or close to the Seymore, IN area. 
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 08:37:36 AM »

Bump. Sorry for your trouble Jesse. Wish I was in the area and could have helped you out.

Should be an easy fix when you get to the dealer. If nothing else the dealer should have a trailer to pick you up with.

Good luck, hopefully you are back on the road again very soon.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 08:39:02 AM »

Thanks a ton guys. A fellow biker stopped he went home to get his trailer and is taking me to Mann hd! We really are a brotherhood.

Jesse
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 09:11:32 AM »

Great, let us know what the problem was when you get back on the road!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 09:23:40 AM »

Is your neutral light showing/coming on? Wondering if that switch has gone bad and unplugging it will get you running again. :nixweiss: See #13 in photo below...

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 09:46:27 AM »

Good to hear someone rescued you. Hope you are back on the road soon.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 10:09:03 AM »

Fired00d the neutral light comes on. Thank you for that diagram

A fellow CVO owner, of all things, picked me up with his personal trailer and dropped me safe and sound at the local dealer. He wouldn't accept any money. I got his business card in hopes that we can ride together some day.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 10:16:53 AM »

A fellow CVO owner, of all things, picked me up with his personal trailer and dropped me safe and sound at the local dealer. He wouldn't accept any money. I got his business card in hopes that we can ride together some day.
Jesse

Just can't beat dem CVO'ers.  Is he a member?  If not, bet you told him about our fine group.  That's brother(and sister)hood for ya.  Hope you aren't there long and it's not a major repair.  Glad you didn't have to stay too long on the side of the interstate....
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2014, 11:07:05 AM »

Just can't beat dem CVO'ers.  Is he a member?  If not, bet you told him about our fine group.  That's brother(and sister)hood for ya.  Hope you aren't there long and it's not a major repair.  Glad you didn't have to stay too long on the side of the interstate....
We talked about the forum he said he's been here I forgot to ask his user name in all the excitement. What a class act.

Bike is in the shop torn apart looking for the root cause.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2014, 11:21:51 AM »

What is the status Jesse?

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2014, 11:23:32 AM »

What is the status Jesse?

Traveling riders get priority at the dealer !
I went next door for lunch lol
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2014, 12:10:25 PM »

Still troubleshooting. Bike is losing spark on the rear cylinder. He tried all the obvious stuff thinking it might be in the harness. Not looking good.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2014, 12:39:02 PM »

Fired00d the neutral light comes on. Thank you for that diagram

A fellow CVO owner, of all things, picked me up with his personal trailer and dropped me safe and sound at the local dealer. He wouldn't accept any money. I got his business card in hopes that we can ride together some day.

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That is awesome!  Glad he came by to help out.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2014, 12:42:38 PM »

ouch, i hope he finds the issue and can fix it soon to get you back on the road 

Still troubleshooting. Bike is losing spark on the rear cylinder. He tried all the obvious stuff thinking it might be in the harness. Not looking good.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2014, 12:45:04 PM »

Still troubleshooting. Bike is losing spark on the rear cylinder. He tried all the obvious stuff thinking it might be in the harness. Not looking good.

That would suck....I hope he can find the problem and fix it.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2014, 04:17:39 PM »

Have they found the cause of the problem yet? Back on the road?
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2014, 04:56:26 PM »

Have they found the cause of the problem yet? Back on the road?
I rented a car and left it there. Bent exhaust valve in rear cylinder. I'll explain later. All warranty work. On the road now!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2014, 05:27:00 PM »


Glad you were safe and a fellow CVOer took care of you... Wow - bent exhaust valve huh.... can't wait to read the full story on your 2012.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2014, 05:35:53 PM »

did it stick then bend  :nixweiss: or ????
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2014, 06:18:37 PM »

I rented a car and left it there. Bent exhaust valve in rear cylinder. I'll explain later. All warranty work. On the road now!

Damn...sorry to hear that.  Not the first time we've heard of that failure, is it...   :(
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2014, 06:24:58 PM »

Damn...sorry to hear that.  Not the first time we've heard of that failure, is it...   :(

My 2009 SEUC at 19,989 miles, front cylinder exhaust valve guide slipped down toward the piston.
Exhaust valve held open. Intake valve bent. Probably same issue on Jesse's bike. (different valves, same issue)

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2014, 06:35:07 PM »

Sorry to read this, Jesse. Will be interesting to read how that valve got bent.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2014, 06:56:42 PM »

Sorry for your trouble. Thought they fixed the valve guides from slipping down. The '07 110 'fix' was supposed to correct that problem. Guess not.


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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2014, 07:11:02 PM »

 :I can offer help and support if you are within a couple hours of Cincinnati, give or take.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2014, 07:58:30 PM »

Just talked to Jesse on the phone....glad to hear he was on his way home to his bride.

I was surprised to hear the details about his troubles, but he and I both noticed the good that's come from it all - meeting some great people and a good dealership, and avoiding the really bad weather that's bearing down on the midwest right now while riding a motorcycle.

I'll let him share the details of the valve issues...I'll just say good thing he was covered by his warranty still.  If that had happened to me, it'd be time for a new S&S 124" since my warranty is looooong gone.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2014, 08:30:56 PM »

Sorry to hear of your trouble Jesse.
I'm glad you were helped by a fellow rider and were able to safely get the bike to the shop and hopefully all goes well with the repairs.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2014, 09:21:37 PM »

Wow, sorry, I had not logged on all day, then saw this.  I'm about 120 miles from you, down by Evansville.  I'm glad someone was able to help you make it to the dealer.  Let me know if I can be of any help.  Sorry I did not see this earlier.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2014, 09:23:59 PM »

My God! I'm pulled over on the shoulder of I 80 on the Iowa/Illinois border! I've NEVER been in a storm of this magnitude in my 40 years!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2014, 09:33:02 PM »

My God! I'm pulled over on the shoulder of I 80 on the Iowa/Illinois border! I've NEVER been in a storm of this magnitude in my 40 years!

Man, you are sure having some challenges making it home.  Be safe.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2014, 09:47:38 PM »

Sorry to hear about your troubles making it home.  Been to Manns hd several times...hopefully they take care of you as I think they will.  Hopefully you and the wife had a good time in the smokies.    :pineapple:
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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2014, 10:11:48 PM »

Thank you everyone. I made it through some how.
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« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2014, 10:24:41 PM »

Get some rest brother, you have had quite an experience, we all are thankful that you are safe and home.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2014, 10:48:51 PM »

Damn...sorry to hear that.  Not the first time we've heard of that failure, is it...   :(

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« Reply #35 on: July 01, 2014, 02:04:32 AM »

Just got home. Long long day. Up 21 hours. Night all.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #36 on: July 01, 2014, 05:54:11 AM »

Off exit 50 seymour area. Bike just quit after off ramp. Threw a code for neutral safety switch? Cranks won't start. Had a local tow company come out to take me to mann's hd up the road about 30 miles but he had a flatbed and we couldn't make the ramp almost dropped the bike on its side. GRRRR. Had the bike by the handlebars the weight caused my bars to pull all the way back!

HD not open until 9. I'm right on the shoulder of I 65 facing North. Any members in the area? Feeling frustrated.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2014, 06:10:11 AM »

Glade you made it home Brother !!!!! Relax a little now.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2014, 06:19:46 AM »

Glad you made it home.  I know the weather got real bad,,  glad you didn't ride thru any of that.   Bike will get fixed,   You're good.  So that should make things somewhat easier.   Talk soon.  Stuart.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2014, 08:18:13 AM »

Just wondering how the warranty was still in affect with the change of cams being done.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #40 on: July 01, 2014, 09:41:20 AM »

Glad you weren't on your scooter when you hit that rain. Good to hear you are getting takin care of. Still sucks to leave your bike. I am another one that had a stuck rear exhaust valve on my 07 when I still had the 110 in place and had $1800 in headwork from Dan Baisley. I carried them to him and he took care of that. The guides and seals failed twice before it was fixed and put back together and placed in a box where it resides today problem free ever since.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #41 on: July 01, 2014, 09:52:47 AM »

Just wondering how the warranty was still in affect with the change of cams being done.
Problem wasn't related to cam change. It was due to failing OEM parts. Many dealers may wiggle out of taking care of us by claiming that the cam change caused the issue. Fortunately, there are still some sprinkled around that provide true customer service and I am VERY fortunate to land where I did.


What happened was my rear exhaust valve stuck open and it was far enough open that the intake valve clipped it when trying to shut.  The intake valve was bent and wouldn't seat. Upon inspection they discovered play in the guides. Carbon build up and play in the exhaust guide caused the failure.

Not only are they correcting the rear cylinder, they are tearing down the front to see if it is out of tolerance and correcting that as well.

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2014, 09:56:03 AM »

Just reading this, haven't been on in a day, the weather was bad here just NW of indy on the 74.  Sorry to hear of your breakdown, you could have stayed with us a few days till they fix the bike....Sorry I didn't see this earlier...We just took a ride down to that dealer a few weeks ago, about 2 hrs south of us, seems like a nice place, I'm sure they will do right by you....Good Luck and if you need anything when you go back message me, OK?
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2014, 10:29:00 AM »

Good to hear they are on it. Are there better valve guides that should be used? And are they the same or upgraded since 07? Maybe one of the motor dudes will chime in.
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« Reply #44 on: July 01, 2014, 11:45:10 AM »

Good to hear they are on it. Are there better valve guides that should be used? And are they the same or upgraded since 07? Maybe one of the motor dudes will chime in.

Rooster you bring up a great point. I am calling the tech now to see if replacing some of the stock components with higher quality options is in order.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2014, 05:47:05 PM »

Rooster you bring up a great point. I am calling the tech now to see if replacing some of the stock components with higher quality options is in order.

Jesse

I imagine some of the head vendors may chime in...  AV&V would be my choice for valve train components.

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« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2014, 06:10:36 PM »

 ??? how dose a valve stick in a loose guide  :nixweiss: or did the guide move ? just trying to understand this
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??? how dose a valve stick in a loose guide  :nixweiss: or did the guide move ? just trying to understand this

Carbon build up on the valve stem.
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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2014, 06:12:45 PM »

??? how dose a valve stick in a loose guide  :nixweiss: or did the guide move ? just trying to understand this

Carbon buildup on the valve stem and in the valve guide...

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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2014, 06:14:13 PM »

Carbon buildup on the valve stem and in the valve guide...

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« Reply #50 on: July 01, 2014, 06:15:27 PM »

Carbon buildup on the valve stem and in the valve guide...

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What is the cause of such buildup?   :nixweiss:
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« Reply #51 on: July 01, 2014, 06:20:03 PM »

What is the cause of such buildup?   :nixweiss: humm carbon...that sux
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« Reply #52 on: July 01, 2014, 06:23:31 PM »

What is the cause of such buildup?   :nixweiss:

You're always going to have some carbon buildup in the combustion chamber.  The quality of the fuel and the tune can contribute to carbon build up.  However, the loose guide allows excess oil to drain down the valve stem, the combustion heat turns this oil to carbon, which in turn robs the stem and guide from receiving proper lubrication. 

At the end of the day, the valve seizes in the guide because of insufficient lubrication, but the cycle started with excessive lubrication because of the loose fit.
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« Reply #53 on: July 01, 2014, 06:25:29 PM »

You're always going to have some carbon buildup in the combustion chamber.  The quality of the fuel and the tune can contribute to carbon build up.  However, the loose guide allows excess oil to drain down the valve stem, the combustion heat turns this oil to carbon, which in turn robs the stem and guide from receiving proper lubrication. 

At the end of the day, the valve seizes in the guide because of insufficient lubrication, but the cycle started with excessive lubrication because of the loose fit.
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« Reply #54 on: July 01, 2014, 07:08:42 PM »

So Jesse, how many miles do you have on the bike when it let go?

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So Jesse, how many miles do you have on the bike when it let go?

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« Reply #56 on: July 01, 2014, 07:39:40 PM »

Sorry to hear you had a breakdown on your trip Jesse.......Hope they get your big red machine back on the road soon.......just curious....how far from home were you when it happened?
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« Reply #57 on: July 01, 2014, 07:41:00 PM »

Sorry to hear you had a breakdown on your trip Jesse.......Hope they get your big red machine back on the road soon.......just curious....how far from home were you when it happened?
600 miles. It's really putting a damper on my holiday.
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« Reply #58 on: July 01, 2014, 09:18:48 PM »

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« Reply #59 on: July 01, 2014, 09:26:04 PM »

Glad you made it home safe and the bike sounds like it is at a good dealer.
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« Reply #60 on: July 01, 2014, 09:28:00 PM »

Damn, what a cluster ****!

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You read all the issues with this 110 on the forums but you say to yourself you are only seeing a handful of whats out there and there are a lot great running bikes out there and then BAM you get the massive failure. Makes me want to fix it and sell it. If I had a car motor fail at 19k I would be seriously pissed off yet it seems to be a common issue on Harleys and one that people just shrug off?
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« Reply #61 on: July 01, 2014, 09:43:35 PM »

Do the 110's have an issue with the guides dropping? That is what caused my bent valve.
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« Reply #62 on: July 01, 2014, 09:48:04 PM »

Do the 110's have an issue with the guides dropping? That is what caused my bent valve.

I am not sure but I do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling for any of the QC from the factory. Play in the valve guides on both of my heads real nice...
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« Reply #63 on: July 01, 2014, 10:14:59 PM »

Let me add that after leaving my baby broke down 600 miles away in a strange land I passed an 04 Cherry on the interstate and couldn't help but think REALLY? My 12 can't complete a 4k trip and this guy is out on a 2004! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR....
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« Reply #64 on: July 01, 2014, 10:21:49 PM »

 
Well, if it was red it was an '05, but not that it matters.  I had an '04 SEEG and broke down about 300 miles from home.  Wasn't catastrophic engine damage, but still pissed me off enough to trade up to the '12 SEUC.  Built the motor right away in it, but still feel like I'm at the mercy of the 110 gods.  Air-cooled, 110 year-old designs bring air-cooled, 110 year-old problems.
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Well, if it was red it was an '05, but not that it matters.  I had an '04 SEEG and broke down about 300 miles from home.  Wasn't catastrophic engine damage, but still pissed me off enough to trade up to the '12 SEUC.  Built the motor right away in it, but still feel like I'm at the mercy of the 110 gods.  Air-cooled, 110 year-old designs bring air-cooled, 110 year-old problems.
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« Reply #66 on: July 01, 2014, 10:27:47 PM »

My 2009 SEUC at 19,989 miles, front cylinder exhaust valve guide slipped down toward the piston.
Exhaust valve held open. Intake valve bent. Probably same issue on Jesse's bike. (different cylinder, same issue)

Warranty covered mine also.

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Something I want to mention that to me is important. Before my 09 SEUC went clatter, clatter, clatter I was warned.
The problem was that no one knew what was happening. Maybe once out of a hundred accelerations (up to redline) as I hit the higher RPM's all of a sudden I would lose power, just like cutting the bike off. The Harley shop had no clue, no one did. Until everything came loose. What was happening was the valve guide on a hard acceleration would slip down and hold the exhaust valve open. Bingo, any valve open = no compression = motor not running. Then the guide would go back in place and everything was fine. Until the last time and the guide stuck. The valve stuck and intake valve hit exhaust valve then the clattering meant motor was done.

A couple thoughts Jesse, my Harley shop replaced everything with new parts and they assembled the heads from those parts.
1) If the dealer is installing a new factory assembled head, I wouldn't have the warm fuzzies. If they are going to assemble the head I would go for that.
2) With 19000 + miles the shop also noticed the tensioners were very worn so they were replaced.
3) When the shop assembling the heads (they did both) I went on to put 30,000 more miles on that bike.

Harley Davidson of Charlotte took good care of me. All they asked in return was "Chip, please don't run anymore race gas."
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Do the 110's have an issue with the guides dropping? That is what caused my bent valve.

Yes!
I'm think lack of quality assembly at the factory.

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You read all the issues with this 110 on the forums but you say to yourself you are only seeing a handful of whats out there and there are a lot great running bikes out there and then BAM you get the massive failure. Makes me want to fix it and sell it.

Jesse, been there, felt the same way. I have since purchased two more 110's since that 09 SEUC. Am I disappointed in the issues that surround these high dollar bikes, YES. I am very fortunate to have a great dealer that will take care of my issues. Should any arise.
We pay our money, we have fun, we deal with issues when they arise. You have had 19K miles of fun don't let a bad issue spoil that future fun. Let the dealer fix the bike. (hopefully assembling the head in his shop) Please don't be offended by what I'm going to say next. In the big scheme of things if I saw you and your wife pass by on that beautiful bike I'd probably be thinking "I wish they had a helmet on" versus "I wonder how long that 110 is going to last this time."

But that's just me.
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« Reply #67 on: July 01, 2014, 10:31:23 PM »

Something I want to mention that to me is important. Before my 09 SEUC went clatter, clatter, clatter I was warned.
The problem was that no one knew what was happening. Maybe once out of a hundred accelerations (up to redline) as I hit the higher RPM's all of a sudden I would lose power, just like cutting the bike off. The Harley shop had no clue, no one did. Until everything came loose. What was happening was the valve guide on a hard acceleration would slip down and hold the exhaust valve open. Bingo, any valve open = no compression = motor not running. Then the guide would go back in place and everything was fine. Until the last time and the guide stuck. The valve stuck and intake valve hit exhaust valve then the clattering meant motor was done.

A couple thoughts Jesse, my Harley shop replaced everything with new parts and they assembled the heads from those parts.
1) If the dealer is installing a new factory assembled head, I wouldn't have the warm fuzzies. If they are going to assemble the head I would go for that.
2) With 19000 + miles the shop also noticed the tensioners were very worn so they were replaced.
3) When the shop assembling the heads (they did both) I went on to put 30,000 more miles on that bike.

Harley Davidson of Charlotte took good care of me. All they asked in return was "Chip, please don't run anymore race gas."
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Yes!
I'm think lack of quality assembly at the factory.

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Jesse, been there, felt the same way. I have since purchased two more 110's since that 09 SEUC. Am I disappointed in the issues that surround these high dollar bikes, YES. I am very fortunate to have a great dealer that will take care of my issues. Should any arise.
We pay our money, we have fun, we deal with issues when they arise. You have had 19K miles of fun don't let a bad issue spoil that future fun. Let the dealer fix the bike. (hopefully assembling the head in his shop) Please don't be offended by what I'm going to say next. In the big scheme of things if I saw you and your wife pass by on that beautiful bike I'd probably be thinking "I wish they had a helmet on" versus "I wonder how long that 110 is going to last this time."

But that's just me.
Good luck with the repair and then go riding.
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« Reply #68 on: July 01, 2014, 10:33:46 PM »

Lol and Chip we both had helmets on the entire trip. I even wore mine on the way home although I didn't have to once I reached Kentucky I chose to keep it on. The half helmets I purchased are very comfy.
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« Reply #69 on: July 01, 2014, 10:36:34 PM »

Chip they have ordered new heads and guides and valves and will be assembling them to my knowledge. I'm calling the service manager at 9 am for a full update. He was gone on Monday.

Guess what, your bike will be a better bike even though it was rough on you.
Keep us informed on the progress!

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« Reply #70 on: July 01, 2014, 10:41:43 PM »

Lol and Chip we both had helmets on the entire trip. I even wore mine on the way home although I didn't have to once I reached Kentucky I chose to keep it on. The half helmets I purchased are very comfy.

Cool.
Next time you ride repeat this as a big bug hits that helmet.
I'm wearing a helmet because I want to, not because Chip thinks I should.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #71 on: July 01, 2014, 11:42:15 PM »

Jesse, sorry about your breakdown, been there not fun. Hopefully everything will be repaired and you will be good to go.  I am heading west on my 06 next week and it has 66,000 plus on it. Hope it holds up, I think it will but you never know. If it doesn't I guess I will be upgrading on the road.

Can't wait to here how the repair goes.

Good luck and ride safe.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #72 on: July 01, 2014, 11:44:25 PM »

Jesse, sorry about your breakdown, been there not fun. Hopefully everything will be repaired and you will be good to go.  I am heading west on my 06 next week and it has 66,000 plus on it. Hope it holds up, I think it will but you never know. If it doesn't I guess I will be upgrading on the road.

Can't wait to here how the repair goes.

Good luck and ride safe.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #73 on: July 01, 2014, 11:46:52 PM »

Bike not running is never good no matter how close or far away from home you may be! Glad you are ok and made it home safe. Happy you broke down close to a good dealer. It will be good as new.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #74 on: July 02, 2014, 12:00:58 AM »

I guess no one mentioned the new blue ones don,t have valve problems! they are a little faster also. you had a great trip!! the pictures say that!! you and the bsr arrived home safely!! a little dealer work some new plans and another adventure. you have a lot to be thankful for. oh yeah thanks for sharing all the photos!!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #75 on: July 02, 2014, 12:01:55 AM »

I guess no one mentioned the new blue ones don,t have valve problems! they are a little faster also. you had a great trip!! the pictures say that!! you and the bsr arrived home safely!! a little dealer work some new plans and another adventure. you have a lot to be thankful for. oh yeah thanks for sharing all the photos!!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #76 on: July 02, 2014, 10:53:56 AM »

Well I just got off the phone with Mr. John Sachs. I have decided to ditch the factory heads in favor of some "touched up" heads he had laying around. When one door closes another door opens  :P
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #77 on: July 02, 2014, 11:53:20 AM »

Jesse,

 I'm not an expert on the 110 motors but I read somewhere that the big motors will carbon up from lugging the motor. It stated that we can do more harm to the motor by not keeping the RPM's ups. They said to run between 2600 & 3000 RPM's.

So I've changed the way I run my CVO & run 5th gear most of the time. 6th gear usually at interstate speeds of 75+.

We just got back from the same area you were in & found myself shifting into 6th gear below said RPMs & then down shifted to 5th. I will try & find the information on lugging & carbon build up & then pass it on. I know somebody else has seen this write up or can give us more info on the subject.

Sorry to hear about the break down so far from home. After it is all fixed & back home in the garage it will be something that you will be able talk about your trip. Back in 2001, 2000 miles from home I blew a head gasket on my FLT EVO, 100 miles out of Sturgis. I had it trailered into Sturgis & we rebuilt it in the camp ground. We had it running by 9am the next morning. No down time for that Evo! It got me back to Florida & I didn't tear it down until 2004.To this day my friends & I still talk about rebuilding it in Sturgis.

Get it rebuilt & ride it!
I'm still riding that old FLT 23 +years!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #78 on: July 02, 2014, 11:55:00 AM »

Jesse,

 I'm not an expert on the 110 motors but I read somewhere that the big motors will carbon up from lugging the motor. It stated that we can do more harm to the motor by not keeping the RPM's ups. They said to run between 2600 & 3000 RPM's.

So I've changed the way I run my CVO & run 5th gear most of the time. 6th gear usually at interstate speeds of 75+.

We just got back from the same area you were in & found myself shifting into 6th gear below said RPMs & then down shifted to 5th. I will try & the information on lugging & carbon build up & then pass it on. I know somebody else has seen this write up or can give us more info on the subject.

Sorry to hear about the break down so far from home. After it is all fixed & back home in the garage it will be something that you will be able talk about your trip. Back in 2001, 2000 miles from home I blew a head gasket on my FLT EVO, 100 miles out of Sturgis. I had it trailered into Sturgis & we rebuilt it in the camp ground. We had it running by 9am the next morning. No down time for that Evo! It got me back to Florida & I didn't tear it down until 2004.To this day my friends & I still talk about rebuilding it in Sturgis.

Get it rebuilt & ride it!
I'm still riding that old FLT 23 +years!

Thanks for the tip. I usually ride 2400-2800 I will have to bump that up a bit.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #79 on: July 02, 2014, 12:12:54 PM »

Well I just got off the phone with Mr. John Sachs. I have decided to ditch the factory heads in favor of some "touched up" heads he had laying around. When one door closes another door opens  :P


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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #80 on: July 02, 2014, 12:21:04 PM »

They are shipping the cores to Sachs. I am paying John for the heads and they are covering labor.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #81 on: July 02, 2014, 12:40:16 PM »

Send them heads to TR he knows what to do to them :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #82 on: July 02, 2014, 12:49:43 PM »

Send them heads to TR he knows what to do to them :2vrolijk_21:
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« Reply #83 on: July 02, 2014, 01:27:22 PM »

 
TR Reiser, a.k.a., T-Man.  Sachs knows a thing or two, also.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2014, 01:38:10 PM »

They are shipping the cores to Sachs. I am paying John for the heads and they are covering labor.
.   I knew you wouldn't be upset over this lill hicup too long... May be send those jugs off with them heads... No better time than now
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« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2014, 02:00:00 PM »

I'm limited on time. My window is short I need the bike back by Wednesday. I'm in a rental and no time off of work.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #86 on: July 02, 2014, 06:17:40 PM »

Jesse,

Don't know the other guy. But John Sachs is a personal friend and have had him do work on personal bikes as well as others like Stu and just about everyone in the South and I have NEVER heard a complaint or a break down. You are in good hands my brother. See you in Sturgis for the 75th Anniv in 2015. Tell Mamma, MAri and I send our best
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« Reply #87 on: July 02, 2014, 06:21:38 PM »

Jesse,

Don't know the other guy. But John Sachs is a personal friend and have had him do work on personal bikes as well as others like Stu and just about everyone in the South and I have NEVER heard a complaint or a break down. You are in good hands my brother. See you in Sturgis for the 75th Anniv in 2015. Tell Mamma, MAri and I send our best


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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #88 on: July 02, 2014, 10:10:14 PM »

Jesse, Good golly I just read this and I'm so relieved that you and bike are ok.  Of all the things to happen to your sweet ride, that one pretty much sucks!  Sounds like you have a plan and I'm sure all will work out for the best.   ;D 
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #89 on: July 02, 2014, 10:11:44 PM »

Jesse, Good golly I just read this and I'm so relieved that you and bike are ok.  Of all the things to happen to your sweet ride, that one pretty much sucks!  Sounds like you have a plan and I'm sure all will work out for the best.   ;D 
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #90 on: July 02, 2014, 10:52:42 PM »

Good to hear its all working out.
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« Reply #91 on: July 02, 2014, 11:07:21 PM »

Good to hear its all working out.
Just trying to keep the cup "half full". It helps with all the great responses on here and a couple phone calls from my buddy Stu.
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« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2014, 09:49:50 PM »

Sachs heads in the mail today!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #93 on: July 07, 2014, 08:11:33 PM »

Well Sachs heads are installed and the ol girl was running by end of shift today. Tomorrow they are test driving then dyno tuning. Picking it up Wednesday morning and riding her home 575 miles!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #94 on: July 07, 2014, 08:13:44 PM »

Well Sachs heads are installed and the ol girl was running by end of shift today. Tomorrow they are test driving then dyno tuning. Picking it up Wednesday morning and riding her home 575 miles!

Very cool!! Hope all goes well.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #95 on: July 07, 2014, 08:23:37 PM »

The way weather has been don't forget your rain gears.  Glad it's going to be all back together for ya.   I have to say they got that done a lot faster than I thought they wood.   

Have a safe trip back

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #96 on: July 07, 2014, 08:29:03 PM »

The way weather has been don't forget your rain gears.  Glad it's going to be all back together for ya.   I have to say they got that done a lot faster than I thought they wood.   

Have a safe trip back

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #97 on: July 07, 2014, 08:32:59 PM »

Ya I live in Ohio and it's rained non stop seems like.  When I left my bike at the dealer I took all my personal items out   Then when I went to pick it up didn't bring my rain gear and it rained all the way home.  Luck for me it was only about 65 miles not as far as you have to go.   

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« Reply #98 on: July 07, 2014, 08:34:53 PM »

Ya I live in Ohio and it's rained non stop seems like.  When I left my bike at the dealer I took all my personal items out   Then when I went to pick it up didn't bring my rain gear and it rained all the way home.  Luck for me it was only about 65 miles not as far as you have to go.   

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« Reply #99 on: July 07, 2014, 08:37:45 PM »

Good to here.  I am in hilton head sc right now with the wife and kids got here just after air there went through. Been pretty nice so far.   Hope weather says good for you so you can get some more riding in.   

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #100 on: July 07, 2014, 09:08:44 PM »

Good luck....should be a good ride with those new heads. Let us know how different it feels.
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« Reply #101 on: July 09, 2014, 10:50:30 PM »

Gentlemen, wife and I drove the 600 miles to return the rental car yesterday. Took a cab to the hotel. Mann's HD picked us up in the a.m. They took very good care of me.  Replaced my stock heads with heads from Sachs and covered all labor under warranty.

I did have a problem with them though. They didn't tune the bike like I requested they simply checked the map and decided it would do. Not impressed with that. It's really hard to find a real tuner at a Harley shop.

Rode the bike 600 miles home today. Weather was absolutely perfect. Upper 70's and nothing but sunshine. The bike is smooth now. It did run good and got me home without issue. No leaks, etc.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #102 on: July 09, 2014, 10:57:37 PM »

Glad to hear the great news Jesse !    I'll take the credit,,,,who's that Sachs guy anyway??? :D I knew you were in the best of hands and the master would take good care of you.  Really glad the weather was good too and you had a great day.,,   Enjoy the "new" ride.  She will take good care of you now,,,,   Stuart.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #103 on: July 09, 2014, 11:05:26 PM »

Smooth as glass.  Bet it feels great.  Glad it all worked out.    Even though it was a tough week for you.      :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #104 on: July 09, 2014, 11:11:16 PM »

Gentlemen, wife and I drove the 600 miles to return the rental car yesterday. Took a cab to the hotel. Mann's HD picked us up in the a.m. THEIR SERVICE WAS UNBELIEVABLE!!! Replaced my stock heads with heads from Sachs then tuned the bike and tightened my apes (they slipped when the idiot tow guy almost dumped my bike) My total bill was just over 200 bucks and that was mostly lifters.

Rode the bike 600 miles home today. Weather was absolutely perfect. Upper 70's and nothing but sunshine. The bike is SOOOOOOOOOOOO smooth now. It's never ran this good since I have owned it. Hard to explain just lots of smiles.




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Glad to hear you made it home on your better than ever bike. I'm also happy you had a good experience in our Hoosier state. Mann's is a great place to go.
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« Reply #105 on: July 09, 2014, 11:14:11 PM »

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« Reply #106 on: July 09, 2014, 11:15:32 PM »

Glad to hear you made it home on your better than ever bike. I'm also happy you had a good experience in our Hoosier state. Mann's is a great place to go.

I've dealt with a lot of dealers, some good and some bad, but I have never been anywhere like Mann's where they bend over backwards to help you out.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #107 on: July 10, 2014, 05:55:05 AM »

Jesse,
I am very glad that everything worked out so good for you in the end. Nice dyno lines!!! Enjoy the ride!!!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #108 on: July 10, 2014, 09:57:13 AM »

Why did they start the pull at 2700 rpm?? What's going on in the bottom end?? The fuel looks to be off also?? I'm not a pro just asking
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #109 on: July 10, 2014, 11:06:06 AM »

Awesome Jesse!! Good things are worth waiting for?? Now your just uppin the bar for the rest of us!!!! Enjoy...........
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #110 on: July 10, 2014, 11:14:22 AM »

Why did they start the pull at 2700 rpm?? What's going on in the bottom end?? The fuel looks to be off also?? I'm not a pro just asking

I just talked to some pro's and made a call to Mann's turns out they didn't tune it basically just used the existing map so I when I get a real tune I will post back.

Jesse
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #111 on: July 10, 2014, 11:26:13 AM »

Better sooner than later... You don't need any more drama  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #112 on: July 10, 2014, 02:12:35 PM »

Better sooner than later... You don't need any more drama  :2vrolijk_21:

Already scheduled to visit Doug Lofgren in St. Boni Minnesota on Tuesday  :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #113 on: July 10, 2014, 02:41:35 PM »

Boy, that was a real episode. Hope you can soon forget about it and enjoy riding again.
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #114 on: July 10, 2014, 03:01:19 PM »

Boy, that was a real episode. Hope you can soon forget about it and enjoy riding again.
I'm going to be too broke to ride the way it's going
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #115 on: July 10, 2014, 04:46:37 PM »

Glad you're up and running again and that she's running better than before. Maybe bouncing mine off the rev limiter on every shift was NOT (had to correct) such a bad thing in carbon prevention. j/k I do spin her up but don't think I've ever hit the limiter. Cheers and enjoy the ride.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #116 on: July 10, 2014, 04:51:04 PM »

Already scheduled to visit Doug Lofgren in St. Boni Minnesota on Tuesday  :2vrolijk_21:

Meaning St. Bonifacius?  Do you have any details for him?  I have friends in the immediate area, and am looking for someone who tunes and can relate to.

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #117 on: July 10, 2014, 05:12:42 PM »

Glad you're up and running again and that she's running better than before. Maybe bouncing mine off the rev limiter on every shift was such a bad thing in carbon prevention. j/k I do spin her up but don't think I've ever hit the limiter. Cheers and enjoy the ride.

Wayne
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #118 on: July 10, 2014, 06:20:23 PM »

Great news Jesse.....glad your scooter is back on all 2........ :2vrolijk_21:
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #119 on: July 10, 2014, 07:38:28 PM »

Jesse, when are you going back to Manns to pick up your bike, I'd like to meet you there, I'm in Indy!
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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #120 on: July 10, 2014, 07:52:23 PM »

Jesse, when are you going back to Manns to pick up your bike, I'd like to meet you there, I'm in Indy!
Not Jesse but this may answer your question...
Gentlemen, wife and I drove the 600 miles to return the rental car yesterday. Took a cab to the hotel. Mann's HD picked us up in the a.m. THEIR SERVICE WAS UNBELIEVABLE!!! Replaced my stock heads with heads from Sachs then tuned the bike and tightened my apes (they slipped when the idiot tow guy almost dumped my bike) My total bill was just over 200 bucks and that was mostly lifters.

Rode the bike 600 miles home today. Weather was absolutely perfect. Upper 70's and nothing but sunshine. The bike is SOOOOOOOOOOOO smooth now. It's never ran this good since I have owned it. Hard to explain just lots of smiles.

Jesse

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Re: Currently broke down in southern Indiana
« Reply #121 on: July 10, 2014, 09:22:23 PM »

Jesse, when are you going back to Manns to pick up your bike, I'd like to meet you there, I'm in Indy!
Lol you're a day late I was there yesterday!
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