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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2019, 12:42:19 PM »

Wow.  That thing sounds like a beast.  Hang on!  Great write up.  Thanks for sharing in such detail.
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2019, 06:47:26 PM »

I recently upgraded by 2017 CVO Limited 114 to a Fuel Moto installed/tuned 128. Here's the thread for more details on the Build https://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=120099.0

I started this thread to share my first impressions after getting some miles on the new engine. Today I had a nice 200 mile ride. It's abit cool today (45F) so take that into consideration when I share the Engine Temp's I observed.

Start up and Idle - A day ago I found the bike difficult to get started but I think my battery might have been low. After getting a really good charge on the battery, the bike starts quite easily. Idle was set higher than most M8s at 1000rpms. The high lift Wood WM8-408 cam requires it since the RPMs "roll" abit during idle. Bike never stalled once but worth noting the idle is slightly higher than a normal bike.

Sound - If you're looking for an engine build and exhaust to frighten young children and scare old folks, this ISN'T it. This bike is remarkably quiet for the power it produces. Slightly louder than a stock bike. Perhaps abit louder than a Stage kit M8 with Street Cannons. Louder at open throttle but not obnoxious at all. Absolutely silent valvetrain. From the horn side of the engine, the valvetrain is nearly impossible to hear. The Jackpot Hi-Rollers have a nice deep sound and open up nicely with the throttle but nothing that would standout as being "loud". Fortunately I have my TC 110 with Fatcat to terrify animals, small children and actually a few grown men with its exhaust!

Clutch - The AIM SDR will take a little getting used to. It's definitely a harder pull than stock but very similar to my old clutch with Harley's heaviest clutch springs - 1275s. And of course it's a tighter pull at upper rpms but nothing outrageous. I definitely wouldn't want this hard of a clutch pull for parade duty but I think for normal riding its fine. We'll see over time if I feel any fatigue and need the "Light Force" Slave cylinder, but I don't think it'll be needed. There is absolutely no slippage. When the clutch is dropped, there is instant power available.

Heat - It was only 45 degrees outside so keep that in mind but I was still surprised how cool the engine ran. ETs were mostly in the 230's, some 240s and a high of 252. With my old Stage 4 M8 117, that engine almost never ran below 270 and even in cold temps could be much higher. Obviously the EPA-compliant Street Tuner tunes keep these M8s running lean resulting in the much higher engine temps with those "compliant" tunes. Coolant temps were pretty rock solid around 135 degrees.

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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2019, 06:48:09 PM »

Performance - Simply amazing. I'm not sure where to start because there was a smile from start to finish. The power with this much torque so low and hp that never seems to end makes riding a joy. Red line limiter is 6400rpms so bumping the rev limiter isn't very likely. Simply astonishing power whenever and wherever you need it. Shifting becomes a secondary thought because you can grab a handful of throttle from anywhere. If I wanted to rip it at 2500rpms, the bike jumped forward. On the highway, 6th gear, running 75-80 and want to pass NOW?? No problem, just rip the throttle. no need to downshift. The bike explodes forward and you're at triple digits in an instant. (Also worth knowing there is no speed limiter now. No clue what the top speed of this bike is now and I doubt I'll ever experience it!)

In the twisties, higher rpms are a blast. Downshift for a curve and at the apex, rip the throttle and the bike comes tearing out of the curve. No hiccups, blips, burbles or any hesitation whatsoever. The tune was absolutely perfect in every way you can measure a bike. And yet the bike has gentle manners at all speeds and rpms. Just want to poke along? No issue at all. In fact, if it weren't for the CVO 128 derby cover, it would be next to impossible for anyone looking at my bike to know the beast of an engine it has under the tank. Just the way I wanted it.

Fuel mileage - Yep, everything fun in life has a price to pay. In the case of this 128 and its power, the price is fuel economy. Granted I was having a "fun" day with this new throttle but the fuel economy was down around 29mpg measured on the PV. I figure normal riding might be around 32 over the long term and maybe 37 or so for long, cruise-control, highway miles. But anyone interested in this motor should know you will likely be the "shortest" tank in the group you ride with.

Small bit of advice - Please don't take offense if you took a different path with your own engine build, but I really don't "get" the whole small overlap so-called "torque" cams. Ok, I get it if you are trying to save money and are looking for a bolt-in cam, but for only about $500 more for hi-lift valve springs, you can have your cake and eat it too. This Wood 408 Cam delivers as good, if not better, low end torque (with the smaller headpipe and factory heads) then some of the best "Torque" cams PLUS you get all the HP that you would lose with the bolt-in torque cam.

If you're only installing a cam, then a "torque" cam makes good sense. But if you're going to the trouble to pull the heads, cylinders and pistons for a Big Bore upgrade, why leave so much performance on the table by installing a "Torque" cam? The only additional cost for most Big Bore upgrades would be the cost and install of hi-performance hi-lift valve springs to accomodate a higher lift performance cam. Most of the high lift cams require more compression but I'm not sure I see the downside going from 10.75:1 to 11:1 that's in my 128 build.

All in All - For the money, the fun factor in this build is terrific. The bike is very subtle...until its not! Your right hand decides if you just want the bike to be a neighborhood friendly touring bike OR a "let 'er rip" beast. The biggest downside is definitely going to be tires for 2 reasons. 1) rear tires will definitely wear out sooner 2) I won't want to run the tires down as far as I might have with less power.

In summary, this engine build is simply a blast to ride and definitely to be considered if you're contemplating a Big Bore M8 build.
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2019, 08:38:29 PM »

Not certain I completely get the subtlety of that review.  I think he likes it though....  ;D
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2019, 08:00:14 AM »

Sounds very nice.  Good write up on it.  That is one of the cams I am considering.  Was wondering if was noisy like the woods I have in my twin cam. 
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2019, 08:16:15 AM »

Thanks for the ride report. Very nice. I’ll definitely consider this build when the time comes to open up my M8.
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2019, 11:55:00 AM »

Very informative.  I am stockpiling parts for a similar build so was very happy to read your detailed report.  Thanks for posting!
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2019, 08:24:23 PM »

Great thread, tons of details pics and Dyno numbers.

FM is great shop
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2019, 08:36:52 AM »

Which 128 kit are you going with? I’m debating between S&S and Fuel Moto and the S&S 550 cam. Are you going with the SE CNC heads?
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2019, 09:34:45 AM »

Also found a 128 replacement emblem for the Upgraded Ventilator Air Cleaner through Customer Engraving https://custom-engraving-ltd.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=361&Itemid=387

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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2019, 09:37:07 AM »

On the bike
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2019, 09:37:32 AM »

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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2019, 09:52:46 PM »

On the bike
Uh oh, no secret now  :huepfenlol2: Anyway it sounds like you will have many miles of happy. :worthless: :drink:
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2020, 09:41:02 PM »

Had that derby cover made awesome job!
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Re: My "new" CVO 128
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2020, 09:11:15 AM »

An update on my FM 128. Bike has been extremely reliable. Rode to Sturgis in Aug from NJ. 5500 miles RT in all kinds of weather. The bike never ran hot once even when the temps were 100 degrees. The highest ETs I ever saw on my PV was 195. In normal summer time weather the avg engine temps were around 165-170. I couldn't be happier with this build as I now have almost 10,000 miles.

I change the oil every 3000miles and I give credit to Jamie and his crew at Fuelmoto for a reliable and powerful build. I've ridden many miles 2up as well as solo and this build far exceeds even my highest expectations. I would enthusiastically recommend this build to anyone looking for either a hotrod or a reliable long distance touring machine with "guts".

Time to get new tires!
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