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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 09:51:47 PM »

Help an ole man out...FOS?

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 09:54:40 PM »

FOS

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 09:55:25 PM »

Back on topic...
Charlie posted this in another thread:

Just to answer the question, according to the WSJ, "For the first nine months, Harley-Davidson shipped 226,898 bikes, down 9% from a year earlier."


I still don't get it though...how does FB do it down there.  Are there that many people running around down there with wads of money flowing from every orifice in their body that they are willing to pay that much just to get a bike from FB?  Just don't make sense to me...but what do I know?   :nixweiss:

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 10:05:42 PM »

I still don't get it though...how does FB do it down there.  Are there that many people running around down there with wads of money flowing from every orifice in their body that they are willing to pay that much just to get a bike from FB?  Just don't make sense to me...but what do I know?   :nixweiss:

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What do we know?
Not his secret for sure!
Have been there only once, that was enough.
One of those glossy ordertakers walked up to me and tried to sell me an 08 SEUC.
I asked how much.
Wasn't there a poll documenting my response!

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2008, 10:09:32 PM »

I still don't get it though...how does FB do it down there.  Are there that many people running around down there with wads of money flowing from every orifice in their body that they are willing to pay that much just to get a bike from FB?  Just don't make sense to me...but what do I know?   :nixweiss:

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I can not speak for others but I have never purchased from FB and would not pay his asking price.
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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2008, 10:10:21 PM »

I still don't get it though...how does FB do it down there.  Are there that many people running around down there with wads of money flowing from every orifice in their body that they are willing to pay that much just to get a bike from FB?  Just don't make sense to me...but what do I know?   :nixweiss:

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It's marketing at it's finest. They wine & dine the top customers and in turn those are the ones who buy. I heard a "story" (read rumor) that he flew a customer in on his plane, the one with all the HD logos, for bike week just to make the sale. Obviously it is working for the customers he brings in.

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2008, 10:29:40 PM »

It's marketing at it's finest. They wine & dine the top customers and in turn those are the ones who buy. I heard a "story" (read rumor) that he flew a customer in on his plane, the one with all the HD logos, for bike week just to make the sale. Obviously it is working for the customers he brings in.
I didn't buy his overpriced bike!  :sauer021:
Of course he didn't fly me down there for bike week either. ;D
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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2008, 11:03:22 PM »

What do we know?
Not his secret for sure!
Have been there only once, that was enough.
One of those glossy ordertakers walked up to me and tried to sell me an 08 SEUC.
I asked how much.
Wasn't there a poll documenting my response!


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I'd have loved to have seen the look on the salesperson's face when you gave him the response Chip.   :D  I'll bet you did us all proud and gave him your best #1 Chithead response.   :2vrolijk_21:

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2008, 11:06:23 PM »

It's marketing at it's finest. They wine & dine the top customers and in turn those are the ones who buy. I heard a "story" (read rumor) that he flew a customer in on his plane, the one with all the HD logos, for bike week just to make the sale. Obviously it is working for the customers he brings in.

AJ, Unless I have Grant's flying out of my butt crack at a rapid rate, there isn't any plane ride on any fancy painted plane that's going to get me to pay $10K over MSRP for anything.  >:( That does explain how FB pays for that plane though.   :-\

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2008, 11:45:08 PM »

AJ, Unless I have Grant's flying out of my butt crack at a rapid rate, there isn't any plane ride on any fancy painted plane that's going to get me to pay $10K over MSRP for anything.  >:( That does explain how FB pays for that plane though.   :-\

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That's the difference. There are people out there that impulse buy without doing any of the research that "we all" do. I am referring of course to everyone here! Those that frequent  research a purchase before buying will know what to expect. Impulse buying is a very common practice that marketers rely on. That's why the grocery stores put candy and magazines at the check out counter.

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2008, 03:07:42 AM »

I tried to cast two votes. ;D


Didn't work. >:(


Was voting for #5 and # 7 ;)


Wouldn't take both so I had to settle for just one.  :)

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I could vote #7 and it was actually correct ??? .
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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2008, 06:37:49 AM »

The rumor about a guy who works for me is...

He had bad credit and the local banks wouldn't loan him any money
He wanted a HD bad, and he found a 2005 (I think) low rider for $11,500 or $12,500 (I can't remember)
A HD dealer made him a deal and ran it through HD finance
The payments are only $350 a month
But, it's for 7 years.


That's $29,500 total pay back. Reverse amortization tells me interest rate is well over 20%. He probably even financed taxes and first insurance payment. I'm in the wrong business. How do you help someone like this? I could finance it for him at 12% and he'd have it paid off in three years. 12% would be better than mutual funds right now. As long as he didn't wreck the bike, or quit working and go broke. It's pretty sad actually.
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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2008, 07:23:09 AM »

I tried to cast two votes.

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2008, 09:32:36 AM »

The rumor about a guy who works for me is...

He had bad credit and the local banks wouldn't loan him any money
He wanted a HD bad, and he found a 2005 (I think) low rider for $11,500 or $12,500 (I can't remember)
A HD dealer made him a deal and ran it through HD finance
The payments are only $350 a month
But, it's for 7 years.


That's $29,500 total pay back. Reverse amortization tells me interest rate is well over 20%. He probably even financed taxes and first insurance payment. I'm in the wrong business. How do you help someone like this? I could finance it for him at 12% and he'd have it paid off in three years. 12% would be better than mutual funds right now. As long as he didn't wreck the bike, or quit working and go broke. It's pretty sad actually.

Sadly, that's what has been happening to the masses out there.  Income stagnant, constant marketing exposure convincing everyone they are dog doo if they don't have this, that, and everything in between, and then here comes the huckster savior in the cheap suit offering "easy credit" with low monthly payments (for the rest of your life).  Hard to understand why we currently have a fiscal crisis in this country.

How do you "undo" the highly successful marketing that constantly bombards people these days, convincing them that all they have to do to be happy and successful is to buy this product or that product, no money down and no payments until 2010?  I feel like reaching out and shaking some of the idiots I see, but then I realize it wouldn't do any good.  They don't want reality, they want the feel good world they see on TV.  This is one reason I don't agree with bailing out folks who signed mortgages they could in no way, shape, or form ever afford.  Bailing them out is a slap in the face of those who did it the right way, and it perpetuates the entire idea of instant gratification regardless of ability to pay, just "charge it". 

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Re: "Credit Squeeze" affects Bikers
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2008, 09:33:08 AM »

About the FB phenonema.  As a resident of FL, I can see a couple of things.  One- there really are a bunch of folks down here that have semi-serious money.  Not Donald Trump or Warren Buffet, mind you--they'd know better even if it was just pocket change to them.  But folks who have enough to blow on overpriced status symbols.  As in boats and cars, to them, the more they paid for something, the more prestigious it is.  Never mind how much less they could have paid, or what it's really worth.  Kind of hard for most folks to understand, IMO, but I've seen it at work.  Two- FB is right there at Daytona where the market is already skewed by event fever.  I'd bet that a lot of his annual sales occur during the two big Daytona events, as opposed to the rest of the year.  People get caught up in the event and do things that they would never do back in Des Moines, or Piscataway.  By the time they sober up, or lose the vacation mood, they've agreed to the deal and are back home with the payment book.  All they tell folks is "Look what I got at Bike Week."

I've never run into a rider down here that has bought a bike from FB, or would admit it, anyway.  Everyone shares the "How does he do it?" thought.  And most swear they would n't do business with him if it was a screaming deal.  So if they're not lying, he's doing his business both off of travelers and the semi-wealthy, and I'm not likely to fun into either in my life, anyway.

I actually sort of have to hand it to FB.  He's made it big and is a guest speaker at the Business school at his alma mater, U. of Southern Mississippi.  A lot of entrepreneur's role model.  I mean, as in all capitalism, if you could sell something that costs you $20k for $30K or 40K, which would you rather do?
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