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JONNIEROCK

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CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« on: August 23, 2018, 02:14:22 PM »

    I've always been a big fan of the CVO line up( I've had 2 and still own a 2016). Before you couldn't build a nicer bike for the money, and the resale was always there. Now for 16 thousand extra dollars you get 3 cubic inches and a few extras. I'm thinking not. Now they're so close to the same bike why would you purchase a CVO ?
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2018, 02:47:36 PM »


To each his own, but now that the CVO name doesn't mean what it used to and the price difference from the standard model has more than doubled, I think you bring up a very valid point.  For people who just want a well equipped bike and don't care about the CVO name, I've been thinking for a few years now that it makes sense to find a standard model you like and add just the extra's you actually want and use.  Does someone who only rides in hot weather need a heated seat and heated grips for instance?  Why not spend that money on a higher quality sound system if that's something you actually would use and appreciate, or a set of nicer wheels, or whatever.  Go down the list of CVO "extras" and I'll bet many could find several items they don't use or don't care about.  And let's face it, the recent CVO paint jobs aren't worth the premium you pay for a CVO.  You could buy a special paint set or have your existing parts painted exactly how you want them for significantly less than $16k.  There are a few CVO items that you can't buy separately, but if you really have to have them I'll bet you can come up with an aftermarket product that's just as good or better.  I imagine the aftermarket will even offer central and remote locking systems for those who don't want to unlock each bag separately. 

JMHO - Jerry
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2018, 02:50:31 PM »

16 grand more gets you (2) 300 watt amps and stage II speakers, upgraded floorboards and grips and pedal pads. An 18" rear wheel, color matched inner fairing and oh yeah, 3 cubic inches of displacement. Sounds fair right? Thats why I said they tanked the value of my 17 CVO Streetglide. People can buy a 2019 Streetglide Special and have cool paint, a 114" engine for 28k.
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2018, 08:58:05 AM »

My contention (and experience) is that the CVOs are not worth the additional $$.  I drank lots of the Kool Aid and purchased six of then new and one pre-owned.  Don't get me wrong - I thoroughly enjoyed each and every one, used most all the upgraded accoutrements like heated seat, handgrips, Garmin Zumo GPS,  garage door opener, etc., etc. . . and I really liked the bling that came with them.  What I didn't like was the resale / trade in value.  The CVOs seem to depreciate more than the non-CVO bikes mainly because a pre-owned CVO of a few years is still priced about the same (or even more) that a brand new non-CVO with a full factory warranty and all the new stuff that might come with the newer model.  My 2017 CVO Limited with slightly under 10k miles is still sitting on the dealer floor from when I traded it last September for my Tri-Glide.  And over the years I've seen many pre-owned CVOs at this dealership and sister stores as well as dealers across the country.
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2018, 10:10:29 PM »

Seriously considering an '19 Ultra Limited, instead of a CVO. I haven't personally been
impressed with a CVO paint job since my '14 SERK. Still love that Tribal Orange paint.
The Scorched Orange or Silver Flux (to me) are "close" to as interesting as the recent CVO
paint (close).  And some research on the MoCo's "online store" tells me for an extra $3k or so
I can pick out just about all the things I "need" (well, ok, maybe not NEED) to make a Limited
more to my liking.  At 6'4", the CVO Hammock seat (and stock Limited) seat has to go anyway,
(I wish they made a "Tallboy Hammock...) as it makes me feel like I'm sitting on top of he tank, so that CVO Hammock seat is wasted anyway. As Jerry already mentioned, living in GA I don't HAVE to have a heated seat, anyway. For $14k difference (Limited special 2-tone paint is an extra
charge), I agree - one can buy a lot of extra bling and still save a lot of beer money!
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2018, 06:01:33 AM »

Seems to me that one should consider the sg, rg special or the limited.  Years ago a big reason I would buy a cvo would be I wanted a painted inner fairing and the motor.   Seems that the motors are very close in performance and a painted inner fairing is simple to find now. We really lose at trade in time after 3-4years. That could be almost 50%. A standard bike would not lose anywhere that amount in the same time frame.  Seems the the stereo systems are close in performance too. The same upgrades would be wanted on a new bike anyway. I'm not ready yet for a new ride... But I'll be thinking real hard on what I will do. I live in Florida, so some of the upgrades that are on my cvo don't get used.  Mainly the heated seat. Heated grips very seldom.   Stuart
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2018, 08:29:36 AM »

I'm going to buy Ultra Limited this time and not the CVO because the CVO'S are not what they were in the past not so special anymore, Just my opinion.
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2018, 09:02:36 AM »

Our 2017 CVO Limited may very well be the last CVO for us.  Like others have said; the incentive of unique paint, bigger motors, limited production runs, lots of cool extras, etc. just isn't there anymore.  Remember the days when you had to order a CVO and wait months and months, or travel hundreds of miles to a dealer who had one because all your local shops sold their allotted bikes?  Those days are gone.  There are so few things that come standard on the CVO that I actually care about anymore, that for us it is no longer worth it.   
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2018, 09:33:56 AM »

I think 2004 and 2005 SEEG where the CVO's that really did well.  They were unique.  They held their value. And they made sense at the price point.

In 04 and 05 you could have built a CVO with the parts catalog and a custom paint job but it would have cost more on the front end and a whole lot more on the back end.

Fast forward to current CVO's and they cost more on the front end and more on the back end.   They are not unique. 

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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2018, 10:52:43 AM »

Yes back when the frames were painted to match the bike, Lots of chrome ( Not Black Chrome ) and the Motor size lasted a few years the 117 will be standard next year on the limited any way ! Just guessing on the one. What you get for the pricing just not there for me anymore. I ordered my new bike will be in around Oct 30 no more CVO'S for me just the Ultra Limited this time with custom two tone paint Scorched Orange and Black Denim with the 114 Motor. I have purchase many CVO'S always had one in the stable since 2005 I do love them just dose not make sense for what you get.
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2018, 10:18:13 PM »

I already made the switch from a factory CVO to a BYO (Build Your Own) CVO:  2018 RG Ultra with the Stg 3 114" kit, then added heated grips and seat, Airflow collection f/r footboards and hwy pegs, etc, etc.

Even after spending ~ $7K to upgrade to 114" with the great seat and the other bling, I saved $13K over what it would have cost to get the 2018 SERG and add TP and lowers to get it to an Ultra.  The Twisted Cherry paint is great, and while I like the red fade and the blue Limited Anny paint, I don't like them $13K worth lol.

The CVOs were well worth the money back in 2004 and '05, when you got much better paint and chrome, plus a 17% larger engine (88" to 103") compared to at-best a 9% increase (107 to 117)...which could be just a 2.6% raise (114 to 117).  In addition, for a few hundred dollars over the cost of basic black, you can get a world-class paint job that blows away the non-CVO paint jobs of 10 years ago.

So yeah, along with the much higher initial cost and the much higher depreciation, there's just not enough "extra" to encourage me to spring for the CVO.  Harley has only themselves to blame.
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2018, 01:10:16 PM »

I tried to do this. I convinced myself there wasn’t much of a difference to justify the extra cost. I was going from my 2015 CVO Limited to a 2019 Ultra Limited or Roadglide Ultra.
I test rode both and immediately noticed the new bikes were amazingly better. Smooth and more Agile but something was missing. And my wife although in full agreement with me kept magnetizing herself to the Magnetic Grey Fade. Once I sat down to work the deal on the 19 Roadglide Ultra. Payments were going to be more and at a higher interest rate. I couldn’t do it. My gorgeous CVO for a lesser bike and higher payments. I passed on that deal and decided to see where I could land on the 19 CVO. My dealer worked hard for me and got the deal done on the Gry Fade. At the same payment.
There is a huge difference in the ride quality and comfort from my 2015 CVO Limited, and this new bike and it’s worth it
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2018, 04:28:18 PM »

Buying a cvo bike has never been a rational decision. I now typically wait till end of the season and usually can find one discounted around $5k or find a really low mile private bike for a huge discount. Takes patience.
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2018, 01:51:31 AM »

Once I sat down to work the deal on the 19 Roadglide Ultra. Payments were going to be more and at a higher interest rate.  My dealer worked hard for me and got the deal done on the Gry Fade. At the same payment.
Glad to hear you got the bike you love, but I'm having trouble understanding how you got the same payment.  The only way I can see that is to make a much larger down payment, or stretch the loan term by several years (or some combo of the two).  How did you do it?
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Re: CVO Limited VS. a Ultra Limited
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2018, 11:35:33 PM »

Glad to hear you got the bike you love, but I'm having trouble understanding how you got the same payment.  The only way I can see that is to make a much larger down payment, or stretch the loan term by several years (or some combo of the two). How did you do it?

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