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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2020, 06:57:34 AM »

This will not be well received by the biker community.  Because bikes, beer, boobs and the last weekend is usually the biggest if the weather is good.  This year's it's perfect.

There are some in Daytona that would prefer no bike events, will appeal to them.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2020, 06:57:36 AM »

Wonder what they're going to do about spring break?

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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2020, 07:01:23 AM »

Good question. Florida is in a state of emergency, schools are cancelled for the next 2 weeks.  Weather is mid 60s los, high 70s low 80s no rain for the next 2 weeks in Daytona.  Most of Florida has perfect weather forecast.  Hotels are booked, bands are booked.

My guess is it will all cancel, may have already just have not read it myself.  BSR & I had a trip to Nashville planned to se the Time Jumpers next Monday.  They just cancelled all their March shows so that's off.  Doggoneit.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2020, 07:33:18 AM »

Wow.  I feel it's an over reaction, both for bike week and all the other events being canceled.  In the USA the people this is hitting hard are old unhealthy people with other pre existing conditions.

This is wrecking the economy, and it will devastate FL if they continue canceling cruises, bike week, spring break and so on.  FL relies on tourism and visitors.  They going to close Disney and Universal too?

The panic is real, in my area they are stealing face masks from Hospitals and Dr offices.  I just do not think the panic is justified.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2020, 07:33:31 AM »

Wow!  What a Cluster F*&k!
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2020, 09:46:27 AM »

This only cut bike week by two days...
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2020, 10:05:29 AM »


You have to love how the media took this story and created a panic that will have lasting effects for everyone, regardless of the real facts.  I'll be interested to see if anyone does a real study afterwards to expose the facts versus the BS.  Meanwhile, the plain old influenza virus is killing just as many if not more at-risk people, as it always does, with nary a peep from the press or government.  I've lived through all the previous pandemics and outbreaks going back to the 50's, and don't remember all this hoopla even with the much more deadly viruses like Ebola.  SARS, MERS, Ebola, Ebola again, and all the others I can't remember off the top of my head, and we didn't shut down much of anything.

When they state the fatality rate as over 3% to scare us, they assume none of the people actually understand statistical analysis or even basic math.  The only reasonably accurate number they have is the number of fatalities, they have absolutely no clue as to how many people have actually had the virus with only mild symptoms and fully recovered without medical intervention. 

As an "at-risk" old fart I'll be taking reasonable precautions, but I'm not going to let the fearmongers force me into the bomb shelters.  Unfortunately we all will be deeply affected by this mass hysteria whether we get the virus or not.  Just think about the economic repercussions of shutting down huge portions of our economy for a month or more.  We'll be lucky to get back to normal in six months to a year, and once again we will be hearing all the stories of people who lost their life savings, small and not so small businesses that cease to exist, etc.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention the huge distortion in demand for certain household items.  It will take a long time to refill the pipeline for commodities like toilet paper.  I'm still trying to figure out what it says about American society when the most important thing to hoard is toilet paper. :nixweiss:

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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2020, 11:50:10 AM »

Where are are all the free spirit, rebel riders? The ones who challenge the man on every front to be free from his oppression? What happened to "Don't worry, it's all going to go away in April when it warms up?" Now we have to depend on socialism to support the businesses and people who are losing money. Why can't they just go on their own and take their own risk? It's like helmets. If you want to risk riding without a helmet then go ahead. If you die from COVID-19, or from a crushed skull, at least you were free enough to make that decision.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2020, 12:11:23 PM »

They going to close Disney and Universal too?


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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2020, 12:13:03 PM »

If you see info that does not come from the CDC it is probably BS.

29million cases of the flu with 150,000 deaths in the USA so far.  This is the normal for this time of year.  Nobody freaks because it is a known.

COVID 19 is new and nobody knows much, not even the experts.

I don't work for the CDC so this is also BS.   

Doesn't seem like that many people died from it in China.  Hard to say if the numbers they present are correct. 

One thing seems for certain.  If you stock up on toilet paper (40 plus rolls) you should be much more likely to survive.
Let's just hope these same mental giants stock up on condoms as well
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2020, 12:31:54 PM »

Wow.  I feel it's an over reaction, both for bike week and all the other events being canceled.  In the USA the people this is hitting hard are old unhealthy people with other pre existing conditions.

This is wrecking the economy, and it will devastate FL if they continue canceling cruises, bike week, spring break and so on.  FL relies on tourism and visitors.  They going to close Disney and Universal too?

The panic is real, in my area they are stealing face masks from Hospitals and Dr offices.  I just do not think the panic is justified.

Disney is closing all parks for a couple of weeks - at least. 4 cruise lines - same deal. Spring break is a PITA - a lot of Florida communities have passed laws to cut it back to nothing already.  Fewer bugs will no doubt be splattered as a result. 

Panic is not justified.  Was just at a few stores buying regular amounts of supplies.  Saw nutty behaviors, frantic shopping, and obviously some folks have just gone nuts.  I blame media influence & lemming behaviors which are unfortunately a part of human nature.  I quit watching tv news - all of it on the national level - a few years ago.  I read news instead.  usually I am not all hair on fire or out of brath about whatever the media is telling me because - reading is slower and can find alternatives to insane hyperbole from left/right.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2020, 01:15:40 PM »

I had plenty of toilet paper already.  So I'm immune.  At least I think that's how it works.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2020, 02:38:02 PM »

I just don't understand. How did we go from?

2/24 "The Corona Virus is very much under control in the USA"
2/28 "Corona Virus fears are a democrat hoax".
3/12 "It's going to go away"
3/13 "Declaring a National Emergency"

And now folks are hoarding, places are closing, gathering sizes are restricted, activities are cancelled, and travel is curtailed. Maybe next time we'll pay attention to the doctors and scientists who tried to warn us.

But I'm probably wrong.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2020, 04:14:53 PM »

The City of Daytona really had no choice. The Governor of Florida had already requested activities be curtailed due to size. They had already canceled pro categories at Gatornationals and the St Pete Indy race so I'm OK with it, we came home early on Thursday vs normally on Saturday night. Hopefully it will pass and all of us will be fine but I'd rather be cautious if it will help, being 67 and just really don't want to be sick, even mild flu sucks.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2020, 06:26:16 PM »

The City of Daytona really had no choice. The Governor of Florida had already requested activities be curtailed due to size. They had already canceled pro categories at Gatornationals and the St Pete Indy race so I'm OK with it, we came home early on Thursday vs normally on Saturday night. Hopefully it will pass and all of us will be fine but I'd rather be cautious if it will help, being 67 and just really don't want to be sick, even mild flu sucks.


Amen.  I had a trip cancel that was going to happen this week.  I'm not bitching; even a little bit.  The threat is serious even if the end result turns out not to be severe.  It's easy to claim that a not-severe end result translates from a less than severe threat.  Instead it's the other way around.  If we weren't prudent we've only (luckily) missed how much worse a problem might have been.

I'm old too.  Have read the epidemiological reviews as best as a layman can.  I don't want to screw with it. 
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2020, 06:45:10 PM »

Where are are all the free spirit, rebel riders? The ones who challenge the man on every front to be free from his oppression? What happened to "Don't worry, it's all going to go away in April when it warms up?" Now we have to depend on socialism to support the businesses and people who are losing money. Why can't they just go on their own and take their own risk? It's like helmets. If you want to risk riding without a helmet then go ahead. If you die from COVID-19, or from a crushed skull, at least you were free enough to make that decision.


Maybe this all by design....
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2020, 06:49:49 PM »


 If you die from COVID-19, or from a crushed skull, at least you were free enough to make that decision.


Slight difference.  The individual choice that is spilling one's brains on the pavement is not contagious to everyone one might thereafter come in contact with.
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« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2020, 10:01:44 PM »

Slight difference.  The individual choice that is spilling one's brains on the pavement is not contagious to everyone one might thereafter come in contact with.

It could be contagious if a zombie stopped to eat those brains on the pavement, and that person had corona virus in it's brains.  Then every person that zombie chomped afterward would become a zombie with corona virus.  This only applies in the event of a zombie apocalypse. which is not scheduled to occur for some time but it looks like it might be on the calendar for next Tuesday, considering.

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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2020, 10:02:56 PM »

silver lining-no traffic, no wait at popular restaurants-my boss was coming in town Monday and he had to cancel..
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« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2020, 02:02:29 AM »

It could be contagious if a zombie stopped to eat those brains on the pavement, and that person had corona virus in it's brains.  Then every person that zombie chomped afterward would become a zombie with corona virus.  This only applies in the event of a zombie apocalypse. which is not scheduled to occur for some time but it looks like it might be on the calendar for next Tuesday, considering.

 :) :drink:

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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2020, 07:26:17 AM »

Not our problem.  Everyone knows zombies only ride Hondas.

Concur.  You meet the nicest zombies on a Honda.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2020, 08:04:02 AM »

We have had many epidemics of viruses in the USA.  Yet we have never had this level of Hysteria or Panic.  The media is driving this, and creating this irrational fear.

Zika virus barley made the news in 2015-2016

Ebola virus barley made the news

MERS  virus 2012 to present, not much news

H1N1 virus 2009 not much in news until over 1000 deaths in the USA

There are many more examples.  What makes this one so much worse?  Why are we shutting everything down when we have less people infected and way less deaths?  Why is the media making such a big deal of this when they never have in the past?

The above unanswered questions are why I am skeptical of the panic being created.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2020, 08:31:52 AM »

The issue is not if coronavirus is more deadly or less than the flu etc. There are 3 issues:
1. There is no cure for the next several months, possibly over a year, so if you get sick it runs its course basically without targeted treatments.
2. The growth rate is exponential if social distancing isn't enforced quickly. Means the number of infected doubles every few days. Most people don't show sympons but still can infect others. The elderly are affected much more, specially those with breathing related illnesses already.
3. The immediate concern is to keep the healthcare system from getting overwhelmed as has happened already in Italy and Spain. If only 2% of the US population gets infected and only 5% of that group needs treatment, that is enough to overwhelm the entire healthcare system in the US to the point where they would not be able to care of other illnesses/injuries i.e. hospital beds and ventilators.
This could be alarmist obviously but they are trying to prevent a repeat of previous pandemics the worst of which was flu from 1918 where approx. 500 million people were infected globally and approx. 60 million died from the infection.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2020, 08:36:47 AM »

We have had many epidemics of viruses in the USA.  Yet we have never had this level of Hysteria or Panic.  The media is driving this, and creating this irrational fear.

Zika virus barley made the news in 2015-2016

Ebola virus barley made the news

MERS  virus 2012 to present, not much news

H1N1 virus 2009 not much in news until over 1000 deaths in the USA

There are many more examples.  What makes this one so much worse?  Why are we shutting everything down when we have less people infected and way less deaths?  Why is the media making such a big deal of this when they never have in the past?

The above unanswered questions are why I am skeptical of the panic being created.

All good points and good questions.

Some people are skeptical of media and government.  Most it appears believe medical experts.  Media utilized the medical experts they needed to manipulate this and those who watch the media are influenced into irrational frenzies and panic.  Worldwide.  An irrational overblown panic at the same level as Y2k was with the same lack lustr results. People tend to forget the enormous waste of resources and irrational nutty behaviors of Y2k, a media created frenzy with aid ffrom the government & some savvy computer folks out to make Big Bucks.  Why?  Because remembering how stupid one's behavior was is easier to forget than remember.  Almost every company had a Y2k response emergency plan.  Yep.  Colossal waste of time & energy & money - Y2k.  Corona virus, the Y2k of 2020?

or

It really is as bad as "they" say it is.  Infection rates are off the charts, an event similar to the Spanish flu epidemic of the late 1910s.  Millions will die hospitals will be unable to cope & the medical response will be overwhelmed to the point of ineffectiveness.  Worldwide death on a scale never seen since maybe the bubonic plague. Supply chains so disrupted the survivalists will finally be proven right.  Morgues will be overcome to the point we will finally fully utilize all those empty shopping malls. And so on...

or

It is somewhere in the middle of that.  There are other extremes, impossible to list all the extreme scenarios but it will be somewhere in the middle of all that.  Could be toward the better middle or the worse middle. 

Me?  Will still do stuff as much as I used to but will take some precautions like washing hands more.  No hoarding, that behavior annoys the crap out of me but it appears a lot of folks love hoarding.  The new national past time - frenzied hoarding.   Some things I like to do have been cancelled, some places I planned to go like a ride to a restaurant today had to be changed because they are closed.  If I lived in a huge city figure my response would be different.  If I lived in a much smaller town, same deal. Life goes on until it doesn't. Am not a pandemic internet expert like so many "are" on social media these days. So I take all that with a grain of salt because the Next Big Thing will happen & then all the social media pandemic experts will morph back into social media lawyers or social media doctors or Facebook military strategists. Unless we are all dead, then it won't matter anyway.  ;D
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« Reply #25 on: March 15, 2020, 09:16:48 AM »

Kojak, same as the flu right?


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« Reply #27 on: March 15, 2020, 09:42:55 AM »

I have mixed feelings on this whole coronavirus situation.  Nobody really knows how this will all play out as the modern world has no previous global pandemic to reference.

Basically they're just delaying the inevitable.  Trying not to overload the healthcare system.

I'll hang out in my personal prison, I mean house, for a few weeks but then more than likely it's business as usual.  I'd rather take my chances living my life in freedom than being a scared hermit.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #28 on: March 15, 2020, 11:15:24 AM »

 its called NATURAL SELECTOIN... or the answer to TERM LIMITS  :nixweiss:  just keeping it real
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« Reply #29 on: March 15, 2020, 11:39:04 AM »

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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2020, 11:47:33 AM »

Puzzled posted up a video yesterday on FB and it looked like the bikes were still there. From what I understand, the vendor permits got pulled. Pretty sure there's still beer in the bars.  :nixweiss:
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2020, 11:54:46 AM »

It’s not by design it’s by default. There was a whole CDC program staffed with doctors and scientists in place to deal with these types of things, which is why all those “other diseases” weren’t so bad. They were able to monitor and mitigate them to some degree. But that whole program was cut and the staff was fired.

So as this grew and spread worldwide, all we could do is watch and send thought and prayers. Then when it hit our shores it was denied, ignored, and called a hoax. We were lied to and told it was going away. And suddenly 24 hours later a state of emergency was declared.

Our nation was uninformed and ill prepared. And now we are experiencing the result. Yesterday I flew. The airports were empty and there were 13 people on my flight. That was not by design, that was by ignorance. We will be feeling the effects of this for generations.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2020, 01:11:26 PM »

Kojak, same as the flu right?


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No. its a completely different virus. Unfortunately, it seems to have started in a "wet" meat market in Wuhan. China where they routinely butcher bats for human consumption. Bats carry several virus strains that don't affect them but can be transmitted to humans and that's exactly what happened here with covid 19. China tried to clamp down the news and kept the world in secret till the situation got out of control and they essentially had to declare a quarantine enforced by martial law.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2020, 02:49:01 PM »

No. its a completely different virus. Unfortunately, it seems to have started in a "wet" meat market in Wuhan. China where they routinely butcher bats for human consumption. Bats carry several virus strains that don't affect them but can be transmitted to humans and that's exactly what happened here with covid 19. China tried to clamp down the news and kept the world in secret till the situation got out of control and they essentially had to declare a quarantine enforced by martial law.

Read the same from multiple sources.  China decided not to take action when Chinese Ozzy or whoever had their bat snack and now the world is out of toilet paper.  Stranger than a movie plot.
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2020, 03:23:44 PM »

I was there all week and it was mobbed when I left Saturday with only one day left.  When did this happen?? :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2020, 03:54:42 PM »

I was there all week and it was mobbed when I left Saturday with only one day left.  When did this happen?? :nixweiss: :nixweiss:

At 8 am on Saturday, announced by Mayor McCheese of Daytona.  Saturday is the last busy day usually.  The last Sunday can be a snoozer when I have stayed until then.
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2020, 04:02:45 PM »

Your beloved president Trump just announced that Americans should not gather in groups of 10 or more starting now. Are you listening?
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2020, 07:01:10 PM »

Your beloved president Trump just announced that Americans should not gather in groups of 10 or more starting now. Are you listening?
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2020, 07:08:02 PM »

Politicians really aren't driving all these containment ideas, the CDC and medical community are.
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2020, 09:49:09 PM »

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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2020, 10:12:59 PM »

Unfortunately the gov't is damned if they do and damned if they don't (shut everything down).  No way to please everyone under the circumstances.  I personally don't blame our gov't for this mess though.  This type of situation has been predicted by the CDC for many years, all enabled by cheap global air travel, and based on how this virus works there was really no practical way to contain it immediately.  There's really no way to fully plan for every variation of this situation globally, IMHO.
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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2020, 10:39:45 PM »

This outbreak is a product of a global economy. Imagine if we had open borders as some want...
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Re: Daytona bike week cancelled
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2020, 06:35:12 AM »

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I fully agree.  We never had this hysteria for any-other Pandemic.  We are still well under 100 deaths.  Far lower than any other one.  Way lower then the 20,000 flew deaths this year.  The ones in the USA dying are an average age of 74 years old, with serious respiratory problems.

The news is not reporting the 60,000 plus in the USA who have recovered from the Corona virus. 
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« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2020, 12:24:27 PM »

I fully agree.  We never had this hysteria for any-other Pandemic.  We are still well under 100 deaths.  Far lower than any other one.  Way lower then the 20,000 flew deaths this year.  The ones in the USA dying are an average age of 74 years old, with serious respiratory problems.

The news is not reporting the 60,000 plus in the USA who have recovered from the Corona virus.
The only thing I would add is this virus is much more contagious than the flu.  I think that’s what has public health officials nervous...it could easily get out of hand and overwhelm our medical system. 
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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2020, 01:38:38 PM »

It’s not by design it’s by default. There was a whole CDC program staffed with doctors and scientists in place to deal with these types of things, which is why all those “other diseases” weren’t so bad. They were able to monitor and mitigate them to some degree. But that whole program was cut and the staff was fired.

So as this grew and spread worldwide, all we could do is watch and send thought and prayers. Then when it hit our shores it was denied, ignored, and called a hoax. We were lied to and told it was going away. And suddenly 24 hours later a state of emergency was declared.

Our nation was uninformed and ill prepared. And now we are experiencing the result. Yesterday I flew. The airports were empty and there were 13 people on my flight. That was not by design, that was by ignorance. We will be feeling the effects of this for generations.

Well said.  These are some truths people may want to deny, but at the end of the day these are all facts.
Along with the fact we don't know the actual numbers of who has the virus because there are not enough tests. 
Ask anyone who works in a hospital. 
Only select emergency rooms are getting the tests. 
The tests are NOT available to whoever wants them.
More like you will only be tested if you have all the signs including difficulty breathing.

I am not going to post the blog here as it is not mine to post.  But here are some facts of an actual recent case.
40 something pilot.  Plays soccer on the weekends.  Does not smoke.  Good overall health.
Tested positive in emergency room when he could not breathe.  His words.  Not flu or common cold like symptoms.  Worst pain I have ever felt.
He is still in the hospital.

Not trying to cause hysteria or panic.  But this is real and it is real for everyone not just the elderly or sick.

Be safe!  Do something about the things that are in your control and try not to worry about the sh1t that is out of your control.
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« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2020, 04:25:53 PM »


I hope you know by posting that link you are now on the chit list of everyone in the jackass party along with about 90% of the mainstream media talking heads.  Might want to duck and take cover.

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« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2020, 04:30:12 PM »

Thanks for the head's up Jerry!   ;D  They don't read any of my stuff anyway and if they read that link it could poke a hole in Pretend World. 

If I posted info that was as debunked as the incorrect junk that was posted before about that office I would delete it. Hell's bell's even the WP debunked it.

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« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2020, 04:42:13 PM »

Guys -  Just because this is a Harley site it doesn't automatically mean everyone is a Republican.   If you could keep the Political BS to yourself I for one would greatly appreciate it.   Let's talk about CVOs?   Thanks.
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