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[Fullsac Performance]

Yesterday about 12 noon, a couple on a beautiful orange and black CVO Ultra rode up the driveway. No appointment no phone call.
He introduced himself as Lionel from Saskatchewan Canada. He and the wife simply loaded the bike in the trailer and drove south my
way in hopes of having a stage I kit installed while enjoying some warmer AZ weather. As luck would have it, Lionels timing was perfect!
Straight into the dyno room for the base lines runs and off came the stock exhaust. Installed our new DX Pipe and 2.0 cores in his
stock mufflers. Back in the dyno room for a few hours with TTS Mastertune, and Lionel was back on the road.

Picture perfect TQ curve crossing 100 FT pounds well before 2500 RPM. The new D Pipe really delivers big TQ early in the powerband.
Looks like about a 16-18 FT pound gain at 3K!

Special thanks to Lionel Stengler of Saskatchewan for riding with a Fullsac!

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

[tjablons]

Steve, what's the difference between a 'D' pipe and what you were selling before?  Curious since you just shipped me a Stage 1 kit this week for my '12 CVO Road Glide.  Am I getting a 'D' pipe?

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve, what's the difference between a 'D' pipe and what you were selling before?  Curious since you just shipped me a Stage 1 kit this week for my '12 CVO Road Glide.  Am I getting a 'D' pipe?

The new DX Pipe features a full round crossover and new collector. Cost 50.00 more than the standard CX Pipe.
Alice handles all sales and shipping. Call her ASAP to confirm or modify your current order.
Just a note, the DX Pipe is not replacing the CX Pipe. The headpipe line up this year will include three pipes, the Sport, CX, and DX.

Steve

[tazmun]

Steve,
 What engine was he running, and what mods did he have on the start
of the testing?

[SGchristian]

The piucture looks really beautiful! Congratulations!

I listened the sound of your 2.0 cores in germany last week when I visited Roman from the Nürnburg area. I told him to order the 2.0 cores for me. I will get my new SERG in March 

[Midnight Rider]

Steve,
 What engine was he running, and what mods did he have on the start
of the testing?

Not speaking for Steve, but from the description of the bike and the numbers prior to the exhaust install/tune, I'd say it's a 110 and was bone stock.  There are no CVO UC bikes in Orange and Black that do not have 110 motors.  The older 2004 "Pumkin" bikes are SEEG's and not Ultra Classics.

[xsdbs]

The new DX Pipe features a full round crossover and new collector. Cost 50.00 more than the standard CX Pipe.

When you get a chance please post pictures of this new DX pipe and crossover!
Thanks!

[geezerglide]

Yesterday about 12 noon, a couple on a beautiful orange and black CVO Ultra rode up the driveway. No appointment no phone call.
He introduced himself as Lionel from Saskatchewan Canada. He and the wife simply loaded the bike in the trailer and drove south my
way in hopes of having a stage I kit installed while enjoying some warmer AZ weather. As luck would have it, Lionels timing was perfect!
Straight into the dyno room for the base lines runs and off came the stock exhaust. Installed our new DX Pipe and 2.0 cores in his
stock mufflers. Back in the dyno room for a few hours with TTS Mastertune, and Lionel was back on the road.

Picture perfect TQ curve crossing 100 FT pounds well before 2500 RPM. The new D Pipe really delivers big TQ early in the powerband.
Looks like about a 16-18 FT pound gain at 3K!

Special thanks to Lionel Stengler of Saskatchewan for riding with a Fullsac!

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

Steve,

You must love us Canadians, not may of us, but we do like to mod our bikes for performance.

geezerglide

[tazmun]

Not speaking for Steve, but from the description of the bike and the numbers prior to the exhaust install/tune, I'd say it's a 110 and was bone stock.  There are no CVO UC bikes in Orange and Black that do not have 110 motors.  The older 2004 "Pumkin" bikes are SEEG's and not Ultra Classics.

I knew it's a 110, however those numbers seemed high for a completely "stock" bike.
I've seen charts for stock bikes here in the midwest, and they were always mid to upper 70's.
I've heard of a few in the very low 80's., but then again they weren't 2011/2012's.

[Fullsac Performance]

I knew it's a 110, however those numbers seemed high for a completely "stock" bike.
I've seen charts for stock bikes here in the midwest, and they were always mid to upper 70's.
I've heard of a few in the very low 80's., but then again they weren't 2011/2012's.

In my shop on my dyno, bone stock CVOs will make 85 Hp and 100TQ all day. We don't squash our baselines!

Steve

[screaminCVO]

How do the pipes sound with 2" cores?

[hdctss]

I second the motion to please update your website, or at least post photos of the pipe on this site.  You know we are all horsepower and photo junkies.

[JoeVibe]

In my shop on my dyno, bone stock CVOs will make 85 Hp and 100TQ all day. We don't squash our baselines!

Steve

Hi Steve,

Can you clear something up for me? I'm fairly new to Harley and am getting my first CVO next weekend. Harley advertises 118 TQ and you're saying 100TQ. Why the difference? My guess is HD measures at the crank and you're at the wheel but that's just a WAG on my part. I'd sure appreciate some clarification.

Thanks,

Joe

[Fired00d]

Hi Steve,

Can you clear something up for me? I'm fairly new to Harley and am getting my first CVO next weekend. Harley advertises 118 TQ and you're saying 100TQ. Why the difference? My guess is HD measures at the crank and you're at the wheel but that's just a WAG on my part. I'd sure appreciate some clarification.

Thanks,

Joe

Your "WAG" is correct. MOCO measures their HP from crank and aftermarket (because it is measured on a rear wheel dyno) is normally lower.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[JoeVibe]

Thanks again Fired00d!! You're on top of it today!

[Fired00d]

Thanks again Fired00d!! You're on top of it today!

You're welcome.

 
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
 

[Black Diamond]

Steve

Just found this thread. 
Have you done a comparision of the CX pipe to the DX pipe on the same motor / same day / same dyno?

JW

[Black Diamond]

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=78946.msg1098902#msg1098902

Steve

Care to share a copy of the dyno referred to above?  Thanks.

JW

[Fullsac Performance]

http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=78946.msg1098902#msg1098902

Steve

Care to share a copy of the dyno referred to above?  Thanks.

JW

Are you serious! Its about 28 degrees in the dyno room where the PC is! We are dying over here!

I'll give it a shot.

Steve

[Puzzled]

I second the motion to please update your website, or at least post photos of the pipe on this site.  You know we are all horsepower and photo junkies.

What he said.... please have the site updated...... 

[08glide]

hey fired00d, I just cut ou the baffle plug on the 2012seuc. check out the post. these guys talkin bout tuners,etc. I did motr work on 08 glide had throttle response issues (electronic throttle). tried 2 tuners (cobra & vh) with no luck. H-D rep & service kept sayin SE super tuner. so I took 96 stock to a 103,cams copression release & little head work. Dyno is 104 hp with 104 ftq. no more issues with throttle sputtering. got 12 se uc. with se tuner,cat removed. I just took out plug. sounds better, may still change baffs later. haven't dynoed, so don't know the hp or ftq as of now. But my 08 glide will dust most 110's. the 12 se ride is whole lot better though. hope to catch up with you around may or so. Take care

[Black Diamond]

Are you serious! Its about 28 degrees in the dyno room where the PC is! We are dying over here!

I'll give it a shot.

Steve

Steve,

Any chance you have a comparison of the C X-pipe vs D X-pipe same bike, same dyno, same day.  Looking to see if it is worth doing on my build.

JW

[Fullsac Performance]

Steve,

Any chance you have a comparison of the C X-pipe vs D X-pipe same bike, same dyno, same day.  Looking to see if it is worth doing on my build.

JW

Hi JW

All of the early DX testing was done on my shop 103 with Wood 777 cams. The peak TQ numbers were awesome. I'm really hesitant to post any 777 dyno
charts because it's not a cam I support with fuel mapping or would recommend for a heavily loaded Bagger. Yes, it makes big midrange TQ, but the parking lot
manners are less than desirable when compared to a smaller Andrews 54 or something similar with less overlap. The majority of my customers, like myself run two up and top heavy. The last thing I need is my bike chuggin and buckin at 1200 RPM and I'm having to slip the clutch trying to pull a U turn in a Hotel parking lot. I know what you want to see and what your trying figure out. Is the DX worth changing to if you already have the CX? Tough question to answer because results will vary. My most recent dyno testing has shown best numbers with the larger 2.25 cores in combo with the DX on the Stage I CVOs. The TQ came in a littler earlier with the 2.0s but peaked slightly less. I did a pair of 2013 Stage CVO's last week with the DX and 2.25 cores. Highest TQ numbers to date with both bikes peaking at 118 TQ and 115TQ at 3000 RPM. Big TQ early is the DX trait. Good thing to have in a heavy Touring bike. The only game changer left out there is a new combination of parts that we haven't tested. Compatability of parts is still the key ingredient. I hope this info helps.

The chart below is before and after from one of the 2013s CVO RGs that I did last week. DX Pipe, 2.25 cores and perf sleeves in the mufflers were the only parts installed.
Stage I simplicity at its best with a 16 FT pound gain at 3K rpm.
You could haul Rosey O'donnell up hill at a hundred on this one. Not that owner Kevin Ireland ever would.

Steve George
Fullsac Performance

[2013SERG]

What were the Numbers of the other CVO ?
Ill have my DX Sleeves and 2.25's done this weekend. cant wait, like a little kid waiting for Christmas