There was a prior threat about Santa Cruz but here are a few more I got from another site:
Central Harley Davidson (North) in Kansas City
Doyles HD in Roseburg Oregon
Wilwert's HD Dubuque, Iowa
San Juan Capistrano Harley, CA.
Birds of Prey HD Caldwell, Idaho
On the opposite end, Bumpus is opening a new store in Lynchburg, TN. and just bought his wife a new ZR1 Vette. Clearly us Bumpus customers must be paying way too much.
Yeah but if you're just passing through you get an oil change and complete bike detail for $75 Mark. That's a heck of a deal. I'll rustle a California license plate for you to put on your rides. Rub some grime on your face and stuff your bags full full of clothes and tell em your on the road and need some service.
B B
Amen to that. We went to the big dealer in Ukiah on the way back from Fort Bragg and the Redwood forest heading to Clearlake and got the $105 oil change...man was I pissed. Told them we were on the road and we had WA plates for sure, we called a few hours out and got there at 4 on the nose from Mendocino. In and out in an hour...i'll never go back and they could care less.
I've never had to get the oil changed on the road. Are you saying that $105 is a lot? ???
There was a prior threat about Santa Cruz but here are a few more I got from another site:
Central Harley Davidson (North) in Kansas City, KS
Doyles HD in Roseburg, Oregon
Wilwert's HD Dubuque, Iowa
San Juan Capistrano Harley, CA
Birds of Prey HD Caldwell, Idaho
Hangtown Harley in Placerville, CA
We're fortunate to have a number of dealers in NC that are long-time riders/HD diehard fans that either started the business of grew up in a family run business...of course, we've got the other ones that are described here also. It'll be interesting to see how the two types compare in surviving this 'down-turn'. spyder
The days of pulling into a delership and talking to the owner/operator who has personally been riding since he was 6 are gone or are far and few between. I have only met a few dealers who actually love bikes the way we do. The majority unfortunately IMO are only investors.
Was told Friday that 22 dealers have closed so far this year.
This was from a sales rep in the dealership.
I do not feel all these closing are only due to the "Economic Slowdown". Most of the people who own dealerships today are more than likely, only in it for the money. I know, I know who isn't, but I mean no real love for the lifestyle. They go from one business to another or run several at a time. The one that dosen't show a good return on investment is cut loose.
The days of pulling into a delership and talking to the owner/operator who has personally been riding since he was 6 are gone or are far and few between. I have only met a few dealers who actually love bikes the way we do. The majority unfortunately IMO are only investors. Hence the reason the huge differences in pricing practices. It won't be long before you will need an interpreter to buy a bike. The influx of foreign owned business has spread quite wide.
The Moco can take the blame for some as well. You can't force a dealership to expand for a bigger more modern presence if bike sales or service is down. The smart guy will take his marbles and go home every time. Lets face it the motorcycle is a luxury to most. :soapbox: Sorry again.
I see you're from the northeast. If you ever pass through Central PA stop at Schaeffer's in Orwigsburg. The owner started the dealership in 67 with his father and mother. He still owns and runs it with his family. If you stop in on a Wednesday night (They close at 5 so all the employees can get out and ride) he'll be glad to invite you along on on the weekly ice cream dinner ride (May through October... Damn winter!). He'll be riding his '09 FLHTCUSE4 this year. Last year he rode an anniversary CUSE3 for somewhere around 28000 miles as I recall.Thanks for listing this good dealership, J-Carr. At one time there was a 'good dealership' thread going....maybe we need to revive that thread for sharing. :) spyder
I see from my travels that most dealers are as you described. But there are a few left. Not many but a few. I'm fortunate to live here and have a dealer like this. It's worth searching to find one if you can.
Ride Safe,
J-Carr
I do not feel all these closing are only due to the "Economic Slowdown". Most of the people who own dealerships today are more than likely, only in it for the money. I know, I know who isn't, but I mean no real love for the lifestyle. They go from one business to another or run several at a time. The one that dosen't show a good return on investment is cut loose.
The days of pulling into a delership and talking to the owner/operator who has personally been riding since he was 6 are gone or are far and few between. I have only met a few dealers who actually love bikes the way we do. The majority unfortunately IMO are only investors. Hence the reason the huge differences in pricing practices. It won't be long before you will need an interpreter to buy a bike. The influx of foreign owned business has spread quite wide.
The Moco can take the blame for some as well. You can't force a dealership to expand for a bigger more modern presence if bike sales or service is down. The smart guy will take his marbles and go home every time. Lets face it the motorcycle is a luxury to most. :soapbox: Sorry again.
Harv's in Macedon NY & Gowanda in Gowanda NY are both family run dealerships that have been
around since the hardtail days.
Hate to see it, but unfortunately it won't be the last.
Just heard on the news tonight that Auburn Harley Davidson, in Auburn California closed their doors today. They interviewed the service manager and two mechanics which stated the three would be working the next 10 days volentering their own time to complete work on customer bikes. The owners would not comment but most employees said 'due to current economic times'. A spokesman from Harley Davidson Mo Co said they will be clearing store inventory over the next few weeks.. I loved that dealership, one of my favorite stop overs for visits.. now their gone :(
I never heard a bad word ever spoken about that dealership. I've never made a major purchase there nor have I had any service work done there, but they were always friendly when we'd stop in on our way up to the gold country. I guess that'll mean more customer base for Rocklin and Jackson (both owned by Guiderra family).
yeah they cut me back 13% and glad to still have a job. so what did i do? put my SERK on a visa card
broke but ridin!
I never heard a bad word ever spoken about that dealership. I've never made a major purchase there nor have I had any service work done there, but they were always friendly when we'd stop in on our way up to the gold country. I guess that'll mean more customer base for Rocklin and Jackson (both owned by Guiderra family).
This Dealership also had Hang Town Harley Davidson, and i believe that closed down a few months ago. You are right, Auburn Harley was the perfect stop over for rides up to the Gold Country and the folks there are awesome. They seemed to always have something going on there on weekends. I bought my first Harley their in 1995 from Carlos and Emma. Did you ever get a chance to meet them before they sold to the Holmes? I know the Guiderra;s well, they are hanging on pretty good right now. Joe over in Yuba is having a tough time but he will survive. He made some smart decisions a few months ago. The Guiderra's are survivors, they know how to run and keep a business.
"Another casualty of a weakening economy is the just announced closure of Roeder Harley-Davidson in Sandusky, Ohio. Founded in 1972 by George Roeder and currently owned by Will and Julie Roeder, the dealership closed its doors on Friday, May 15, 2009." (http://www.examiner.com/x-4702-Motorcycle-Travel-Examiner~y2009m5d20-Roeder-HarleyDavidson-in-Ohio-closes[/url)
AJ, how about telling us some good news!
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Is there a way to merge these into another ongoing thread with same topic? I didn't see the thread already in progress 'HD Dealerships That Have Closed or Are Closing' until now.Done. :2vrolijk_21:
Done. :2vrolijk_21:
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There was a prior threat about Santa Cruz but here are a few more I got from another site:Hey, I was in Roseburg in the spring of '07. I stopped by Doyle's HD and bought a t-shirt. I flew into Eugene from Salt Lake City, and drove down I-5 to Roseburg. Doyle's also had a dealership on the east side of the interstate just south of Eugene. Maybe they consolidated the two stores and kept open the one up in Eugene? The store in Roseburg only had about 6 bikes in there, but a chitload of friggin' knick-knacks.
Central Harley Davidson (North) in Kansas City, KS
Doyles HD in Roseburg, Oregon
What's really sad is one of our local HD Dealerships, one of the oldest Matthews HD in Fresno applied to expand their store and HD told them they would not approve it unless they moved from the area they have been in since the 50's. What is the world coming to, you own a piece of property try to grow your business, put some money into it and the Mother Company says NO you have to move.At least they continue to be consistent. ??? har! spyder
What's really sad is one of our local HD Dealerships, one of the oldest Matthews HD in Fresno applied to expand their store and HD told them they would not approve it unless they moved from the area they have been in since the 50's. What is the world coming to, you own a piece of property try to grow your business, put some money into it and the Mother Company says NO you have to move.
What's really sad is one of our local HD Dealerships, one of the oldest Matthews HD in Fresno applied to expand their store and HD told them they would not approve it unless they moved from the area they have been in since the 50's. What is the world coming to, you own a piece of property try to grow your business, put some money into it and the Mother Company says NO you have to move.
Not every 50 year old location is still the correct place to be, I suspect this may know longer be the greatest place, but the Matthews own the dirt and it's easiest for them. I suppose that at best HD and the Matthews will agree to disagree, interesting to see how it plays out.
I hated my real estate agent, very arrogant and she acted like I didn't know what I wanted. [That's probably why they make you sign a 3 month commitment.] They fcut this whole economy up and everyone else is paying for it. If you could walk and chew gum, you could buy a house and get back 5K at closing, the bubble had to burst sometime. I hate car salesman too, pushy kiss ass liars, then.....you're a door mat. I have no complaints about Harley sales reps, and I am not sure if they are all cool across the world, but... Buying a Harley was a good experience and I am sad to hear that any of them are closing. :sad2: :thumbdown:
Hartford, WI HD dealership on Hwy 60 recently closed their doors.
What dealer was this?
Not sure what the actual name was, but it was about a mile west of Hwy 83 (Main St) on the south side of Hwy 60.
You gotta remember, a lot of dealerships are closing satellite stores still considered dealerships to keep mother dealership alive. This doesn't mean the mother stores are all closing. I know the economy sucks, but folks the more negative we discuss it, the more negative it's gonna get.
As hard as it is,, I'm trying to keep a smile on my face and a positive attitude. Come on folks, i was always told this rubs off... :nixweiss:
I fear the Harley riding community is starting to shrink, the days of huge designer stores is waining, most riders I know wishes Harley dealers would go back closer to their roots, reduce their overhead and become less trendy. I believe our economy has made a major change and it's not going back to the go, go days anytime soon. Most riders have a bike they are happy with, have the leathers and clothes they need and really can get by just fine without spending a boat load of money at the dealerships. Harley was not built on customers that purchased a new bike every two years and I think it going back to the days of riders keeping their rides. My view...The future belongs to those with low overhead, those willing to provide cost effective service, those with a strong relationship with customers, just like the "good old days". I might be a dinosaur, time will tell.I'm with you on this perspective, Scott. :2vrolijk_21: spyder
The Rocklin Dealership in California was a Full Service Dealership, it was the owners first store. They started in Citrus Heights, then moved to a larger store in Rocklin, then moved to a much larger store down the street. This was a "location" that started in 1976 and kept moving up. Now it's gone. The family has one large dealership in Folsom California. I was broken hearted to loose the Rocklin store, I bought my first Harley from this family in 1989. Great people and a real loss to Harley and the biker community. I will support them in Folsom, I hope Harley is able to reopen the Rocklin/Roseville area dealership sometime in the future. I fear the Harley riding community is starting to shrink, the days of huge designer stores is waining, most riders I know wishes Harley dealers would go back closer to their roots, reduce their overhead and become less trendy. I believe our economy has made a major change and it's not going back to the go, go days anytime soon. Most riders have a bike they are happy with, have the leathers and clothes they need and really can get by just fine without spending a boat load of money at the dealerships. Harley was not built on customers that purchased a new bike every two years and I think it going back to the days of riders keeping their rides. My view...The future belongs to those with low overhead, those willing to provide cost effective service, those with a strong relationship with customers, just like the "good old days". I might be a dinosaur, time will tell.Excellent points and I agree. :2vrolijk_21: During this time when a large percentage of the population is just happy to have money to provide the necessities the extras get cut out. As soon as those "dealers" understand that it's better to eat bologna and cheese and be feed then being of the attitude they have to have surf and turf every night they will be better off...... after all.... bologna and cheese will keep the "missed meal cramps" away... just sayin'.
Excellent points and I agree. :2vrolijk_21: During this time when a large percentage of the population is just happy to have money to provide the necessities the extras get cut out. As soon as those "dealers" understand that it's better to eat bologna and cheese and be feed then being of the attitude they have to have surf and turf every night they will be better off...... after all.... bologna and cheese will keep the "missed meal cramps" away... just sayin'.That 'surf & turf' will bring on an acute case of gout! :nervous: (don't ask). :P :drink: spyder
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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That 'surf & turf' will bring on an acute case of gout! :nervous: (don't ask). :P :drink: spyderShouldn't have been eating it everyday. :D :D
I was expecting more like Hot dogs and Kraft Macaroni & cheese you can live on it! Jus sayin :nixweiss:Was just sayin' about the Bologna and Cheese... No high roller here... I've survived on Ramen Noodles (http://www.nissinfoods.com/topramen/) when needed. ;) :D :D :D
I guess the Hi rollers get Bologna
When I was young and single and on my own, the nice old grandmother that lived next door had a huge tomato garden and chickens. She would leave me bags of tomato and cartons of eggs. It is amazing how many tomatos and eggs you can eat when you have little money! :2vrolijk_21:
(It is also amazing how good fresh eggs taste as compared to store bought eggs!)
HD is obviously doing a great job! Stock price is up which makes stock holders happy. I only wish Miker & I bought more stock when it was down around $14 a share.
HD is obviously doing a great job! Stock price is up which makes stock holders happy. I only wish Miker & I bought more stock when it was down around $14 a share.
...I hadn't heard the buyout rumor Spydglide.
What's really sad is one of our local HD Dealerships, one of the oldest Matthews HD in Fresno applied to expand their store and HD told them they would not approve it unless they moved from the area they have been in since the 50's. What is the world coming to, you own a piece of property try to grow your business, put some money into it and the Mother Company says NO you have to move.
Do Not depend on your H-D GPS my 09 brought me to the old ,nonexistent and miles away.
As we all know many dealerships have closed in the past year or so. Although there is a thread on this site that lists many of them, one wonders if that is all of them??? I wonder how quick the MoCo updates their website listing? Not too quick I bet and no doubt the 2010 Touring Hand Book is out of date as well!
With a new touring season upon us, I think it would be very useful if this site had a section strictly for the purpose of listing all closed dealerships... No chatter, just a list that we could use to update our Tour Books prior to heading out of a trip. :2vrolijk_21:
It would be useful information, especially if anyone was in need of assistance while on the road and wanted to know where the closest dealer was located, rather than waisting time traveling to a closed down dealership. That would certainly be a drag!
So, what do you think? Is this possible?
Does anyone else feel the same way?
:nixweiss:
This was the thread that you were/are referring to......but then people started posting chit chat like your post here............. :huepfenlol2:
Just funnin with you Grizz :2vrolijk_21:
Hard 10 was editing the first post of this thread to reflect that list however, he hasn't edited it since Jan. If somebody has the time to go through all 8 pages to make a list and PM it to me, I'll edit the first post to reflect all the stores.
But I've learned when I'm on the road, before I set out to go to a dealership I call them first, just to make sure they're still there. :2vrolijk_21:
You sure are a funny guy JC! A real regular riot!!! ;D
I know exactly what you're saying.
Just so you know, I actually started a separate thread so I wouldn't "muddy the waters" on this one, but unfortunately it was mysteriously moved/joined to this anyway due to the relationship.
I'm just thinking a LIST ONLY would be helpful and I applaud you for your assistance... Considering that I am the one who asked for it, as soon as I get a little time to sort through the 8 pages, I will do as you suggest and PM you with the updated list.
Hopefully then that list can simply be added to without all this darn chatter... OK, I'll shut up now and get to work on this lovely little project you've come up with for me to fill my spare time, when I should be out riding!
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I can relate.....kind of like being a moderator.....the pay is lousey and the job sucks! :( But actually, I didn't come up with the project of a list of closed dealerships. You did.....I just volunteered to help you with it. :2vrolijk_21:
Thanks JC. I do appreciate the help... I'm working on my part as we speak.
Take care,
Grizzly
There was a prior threat about Santa Cruz but here are a few more I got from another site:
Central Harley Davidson (North) in Kansas City, KS
Doyles HD in Roseburg, Oregon
Wilwert's HD Dubuque, Iowa
San Juan Capistrano Harley, CA
Birds of Prey HD Caldwell, Idaho
Hangtown Harley in Placerville, CA
Pineda HD in Melbourne, FL (merged w/ Space Coast)
**edited**
HD of Amador Amador CA
Auburn HD Auburn CA
Elk Grove HD Elk Grove CA
Jacson HD Jacson CA
HD of Rocklin Rocklin CA
The Ridge HD Lake Wales FL
Pompano Beach HD Pompano Beach FL
Riverfront HD Lawrence KS
Shreveport HD Shreveport LA
Outerbanks HD Elizabeth City NC
Littleton HD Bethlehem NH
Brooklyn HD Brooklyn NY
Dick's HD Rome NY
Roeder's HD Sandusky OH
Cerini HD PA
Hartford HD Hartford WI
Thanks to Grizzly for reading through eight pages of this thread and compiling the list of dealership to bring it current
I heard Shumate in Spokane also closed, have not verified it.
I don't want to say the name of the specific dealer...
I don't want to say the name of the specific dealer... but I noticed an area dealer last week that looked like their walls and shelves were pretty scarce. About 1/3rd the chrome and accessories they usually have on the walls.
But then again this particular dealer charges $1 for dip-dots. That crap ticks me off. Buy hundreds and hundreds in parts, oil, filters, etc every year, and pay a dollar for a twenty cent freebie. Las Vegas HD charges two bucks for them!
Because LVHD rips off their customers... period. I have several friends that live there and refuse to buy their bikes/parts from them. The local dealership I was referring to does not behave this way, with the exception of charging for dip-dots.
It was merely a statement of what appears to be a potential slump for a local dealership. Or maybe just an observation. Isn't that what we do here? Share info?
But this small dealership has served members of this board. So out of respect, I will not name them. If they announce a closing, then I would certainly share the news. If it's so upsetting to you, or you feel it's wasted bandwidth, then delete the damn post, comrade.
Wow... 34220 posts. Are you sure none of those were wasted bandwidth? Not even one?
Appreciate you not mentioning the name.....this thread is for those that are closing or have closed. A number of dealerships have cut way back on stock....even in large metropolitan areas. I was at San Jose last weekend and it looks like a ghost town in there.
As has the local dealership in Joplin (Cycle Connection). Not nearly so much P&A on the walls as has been the case previously. It's been that way for months now (and has been mentioned as such for those that might be coming through the area). I'm not concerned they might close up shop though.
Appreciate you not mentioning the name.....this thread is for those that are closing or have closed. A number of dealerships have cut way back on stock....even in large metropolitan areas. I was at San Jose last weekend and it looks like a ghost town in there.
San Jose Harley-Dvidson is in the process of being sold, new owners just took the dealership over. Parts are coming in and so are motorcycles. Should be exciting for the market as dealership has been struggling for awhile. :)
What's a dip dot?Similar to this...
Who bought it? I heard that HOT (Morgan Hill) was going to buy it but the owner was playing hard ball to the point where it's now going to go back to the MoCo. :nixweiss:
Roeders in Sandusky, Ohio will be opening under new ownership. It will be located in the existing Roeder's building on USR 250 (Milan Road) and be called "Mad River H. D.". Their stated goal is to be open by Ohio Bike Week which begins June 4. The owners of this new shop are the same as those that own Adventure H. D. in Dover, OH.
http://www.norwalkreflector.com/articles/2010/04/13/front/iq_961446.txt
What's a dip dot?
Little round advertising emblem commonly stuck on the top of the oil dipstick.
Little round advertising emblem commonly stuck on the top of the oil dipstick.Funny I've never seen one stuck on you?? oh wait... you said dipstick.. not dipchit. ;) :D ;D :D ;D
Funny I've never seen one stuck on you?? oh wait... you said dipstick.. not dipchit. ;) :D ;D :D ;D
Sorry that was just to easy... welcome home. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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I stand (really sitting) corrected. :znotworthy: :huepfenlol2:
Hey, that's Dipchit (capital D, dammit)!
I stand (really sitting) corrected. :znotworthy: :huepfenlol2:
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All the Shumate stores (Spokane, Lewiston, Tri Counties and Walla Walla) appear to be rolled up in the same bankruptcy proceeding:
http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-law-courts-tribunals/14087719-1.html
One of the best dealers in the southeast announced it will close for good after serving the Carolina's for 20 plus years Carolina HD Gastonia NC made the decision public today. Clic and Dian Baldwin built the dealership from nothing to a mega dealership .Clic Baldwin was killed in 2008 on his way from the dealer show to Sturgis . Dian has held on ,but with the current economy she is forced to close . The Motor Company has also decided to retire the dealership # . This is bad news for the HD owner in the Charlotte NC area ,CHD was a top notch dealer that stould behind their service and sales and will be greatly missed. In my opinion the Motor Co. should have closed one of the other local dealers and found someone to take the Carolina HD dealership.
Is the MoCo telling these places to close? Or is it just the owners racking-up alot of debt? Why dont they just sell the franchise so it stays open? :nixweiss:
Is the MoCo telling these places to close? Or is it just the owners racking-up alot of debt? Why dont they just sell the franchise so it stays open? :nixweiss:
When the owner of Harley Davidson of Sacramento was closing the Elk Grove dealership last year, their email said that the MoCo has asked all owners that had more than one store front in the same regional area to close their additonal stores over the next year.
The owner of Twin Falls owns a number of dealerships in Idaho, Arizona and Reno. :nixweiss:
Foundry (http://www.robinsonsfoundry.co.uk/harley_davidson/pages/harley_davidson/the-foundry.htm) got victimized already some weeks ago - for several reasons according to gossip ;)
Just announced that Albany HD in Georgia will be closing and consolidating into what was the satellite shop in Tifton, GA
Tifton is in process of a huge expansion which will make it a must stop along I-75 in Georgia.
How many dealerships are in the USA anyway??
Do they sell the "Right hand drive" models for the English consumption?
I did not see it posted,I was at Wildwood two weeks ago. The store there is still open but it's not a Harley Dealer anymore. Same owners. What I hear is that HD corp was pushing them to sell more bikes out of that location. Since people don't visit the shore to buy a bike, they really couldn't increase their sales of bikes. Of course they moved tons of shirts and other merchandise and it was great to have a place to get the ole' scoot fixed up if she through a shoe on holiday. Now if it's warrenty work you need while away at the south Jersey shore you have to head an hour north to Atlantic county.
Millville HD closed in May and it's satellite in Wildwood HD closed.
They were building a new store in Vineland which obviously stopped construction.
Crete Il, Harley Davidson is closing October 15, 2010 the owner unable to find a buyer is closing and retiring. The Hog chapter is trying to find a home to continue.
Crete Il, Harley Davidson is closing October 15, 2010 the owner unable to find a buyer is closing and retiring...
What's the price (for the buyer) ?
Crete Il, Harley Davidson is closing October 15, 2010 the owner unable to find a buyer is closing and retiring. The Hog chapter is trying to find a home to continue.
2 More are off the list. Read the Important Announcement at the bottom of the website below.
http://www.hdofgreensboro.com/
Crete Il, Harley Davidson is closing October 15, 2010 the owner unable to find a buyer is closing and retiring. The Hog chapter is trying to find a home to continue.
http://www.sbharley.net/
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Marty
Sad. I bought my FXDSE2 there. They had some cool "scoots' last I checked. Just wondering where the bikes go when a dealer closes shop? :nixweiss:
They are offered to other dealerships.
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The stores in N.C., specifically Greensboro, are consolidating. Closing High Point (where I live) also Reidsville, N.C. The Greensboro (Mother Store) will remain open. Bubba Love said that!!!
I just received an email today that Black Canyon HD in Montrose, CO is closing. They are "consolidating" operations in the Grand Junction shop.
I guess my BCHD shirt is now a collectors item! Uh, sure
I just received an email today that Black Canyon HD in Montrose, CO is closing. They are "consolidating" operations in the Grand Junction shop.I visited a shop in Grand Junction back in about '93... I think it was called Old McDonald's Hog Farm or something like that. I don't have the shirt anymore, but it was pretty neat.
I guees my BCHD shirt is now a collectors item! Uh, sure
YOU can add American HD in Ann Arbor MI, and I forgot the name, but it was in Crete Illinois.I got a shirt from Ann Arbor HD, and the one in Crete was Crete HD.
Harley of Vallejo, Ca announced today they are closing, unk when.
Here's a question,,, These dealerships closing all have their Harley sales territory. Once the dealership is gone, what happens to this territory? :nixweiss: Does Mother Harley leave these open for future franchise purchase? Or do they divvy it up with nearby stores still in business.. Someday when this economy turns around i can see hords of investors gobbling back up these territories..
Here's a question,,, These dealerships closing all have their Harley sales territory. Once the dealership is gone, what happens to this territory? :nixweiss: Does Mother Harley leave these open for future franchise purchase? Or do they divvy it up with nearby stores still in business.. Someday when this economy turns around i can see hords of investors gobbling back up these territories..
Harley-Davidson of Maryland Closing
http://www.harleydavidsonofmaryland.com/default.asp?page=promo3
This is nuts -- but no shocker. It's nuts because she just built that new building. No shocker because the dc area is loaded with arrogant dealers who never deal. Only one or two really try.
My local dealer received a 2011 FLHTCUSE6 CVO that they had in the back getting ready for the showroom. After I finished drooling and contemplating trading my 09 FLHTCUSE4 on it I thought of my friend. I told him about the bike and he and his wife stopped by the dealer the very next afternoon perfectly ready to buy. When they arrived they walked around the dealer for a good 20 minutes before anyone spoke to them and they finally had to ask someone where the salesman was. He has a 2005 Ultra Classic in mint shape with around 45,000 miles he wanted to trade. First off they low balled him on what they could give him for his bike and then told him he would need to bring it in to service for them to go evaluate before they could even make him an offer. After this they said the 2011 was going to be $2,000.00 over MSRP and with all the dealer fluff added on top of that!!!! They said they do this with all their "special CVO" bikes because they are so hard to get. Needless to say they walked out of the dealer with a very bad taste in their mouth. Me and him road to Concord the next day and he saw a Limited that he really liked. Long story short they came off MSRP on this bike, gave him more than he had expected for his 2005 (sight unseen I might add) gave him a $200.00 gift card and 25% off any accessories he wanted. The salesman, sales manager and GM were all super nice and bent over backwards to make his purchase pain free. He is now the proud owner of a 2011 Ultra Classic Limited. My local dealer has no concept of customer service or trying to create any loyalty with patrons. I work in sales and it is all I can do to keep the customers I have in this economy much less win over new ones. I see a bleak future for my local dealer.
My local dealer received a 2011 FLHTCUSE6 CVO
Harley-Davidson of Maryland Closing
http://www.harleydavidsonofmaryland.com/default.asp?page=promo3
Strange--the owner retires and the place closes? Why not sell and keep the buisiness alive?
Selling is much harder than you think.
The Motor Company has to approve the buyer.
The Motor Company has a dealer on a leash and controls more than you can imagine.
The days of anyone with a few million extra chingalings buying into a dealership and making a killing are over.
It's typically a ten mil nut with no guarantee of a big return.
Such is life in the fast lane.
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
SBB
ABC Harley Davidson in Waterford Mi has the windows covered with paper and the doors Chained shut. I guess they could be remodeling but why chain the doors?Chains on doors looks like receivership.
http://www.hearnburkley.com/EmailCampaigns/FS_TroyHillDrive_7010.pdf
http://www.hearnburkley.com/EmailCampaigns/FS_TroyHillDrive_7010.pdf
Well, I guess that clears that up.
Huge price for a big empty building in Michigan. Michigan has lots of big empty buildings...
And it's under 6 million dollars!!!!If it comes with about 180 CVOs...it's a he11 of a deal!
FOR SALE > retail space
Harley Davidson
7010 troy hill dr. elkridge, md 21075
They might, but always thought MD was Maryland. ;)
ABC Harley Davidson in Waterford Mi has the windows covered with paper and the doors Chained shut. I guess they could be remodeling but why chain the doors?
Maybe they got a last minute bail-out and got to open the doors...and the letter is just a cover-up.Gotta think so. That's the most bizare marketing move I've ever heard of. Even for marketing people. And since I work closely with a marketing department I can asure you that they're all bent into the wind north by northwest. Wierd.
Store closings place number of U.S. dealerships at about same level as 2002Very interesting article.
(http://www.jsonline.com/business/114839684.html)
Harley-Davidson of Maryland will host a retirement party Feb. 5 and is set to close permanently Feb. 28.
“The business is closing, in part, due to the down economy,” Tina Ice, 66, who has owned the Elkridge dealership since 1991, plans to retire and move to Wallace, N.C., where she and her husband will build a new home.
“Selling the dealership was an option, but it would have been harder than a retirement, which serves to strengthen the other dealers in the area,” she told Elkridge Patch. There are Harley-Davidson dealers in Essex, Laurel, Annapolis and Frederick.
The dealership is down to 18 employees from a high of 54 several years ago. For the past seven years, the dealer has occupied a 36,000-square-foot, visible from U.S. Route 1. There is speculation that high real estate costs played a role in the dealer’s demise. “Harley wanted her to build this and she did; now it’s closing—very sad,” GM Jack Corbin told the newspaper.
“They needed to move [from their old site] for a long time. Unfortunately, the building they have now has costs that make their overhead very difficult,” says Bob Henig, owner of Bob’s BMW in Annapolis Junction.
Store closings place number of U.S. dealerships at about same level as 2002
(http://www.jsonline.com/business/114839684.html)
Is anyone keeping a running total of all the shops that have closed?
What was it that P.T. Barnum was "supposed" to have said........ one of these is born every minute? ;)
Is anyone keeping a running total of all the shops that have closed?
HD dealerships are closing ?
And the MoCo is looking for new dealers :
http://www.harley-davidson.com/en_US/Content/Pages/Becoming_a_Dealer/Dealership_Opportunities.html
:o
H-D satellite store in the Charlotte Airport closed...
But a H-D satellite store opened in Key West on Duval Street...
napalm
I heard that Ghost Town Harley closed Saturday.... Their website showes no bikes...
http://www.ghosttownharley.com/default.asp
:soapbox: WHAT WILL THIS MEAN TO US: ARROGANCE, LONGER WAIT TIMES FOR SERVICE, POOR QUALITY WORK...WITH AN "OH WELL" ATTITUDE! Hopefully for some of us less mechanically inclined, we can find some good quality reliable independent shops! I have another 14 months, but I think I may just cancel my extended warranty and say screw it! The local shops convenient to me SUCK after they closed and merged our closest store!
Just got an e-mail about Tibby's Harley-Davidson in Springfield, Mass closing at the end of June.
http://www.tibbysharley.com/ (http://www.tibbysharley.com/)
Are they closing or just dropping the Harley dealership? The line on their webpage as follows isn't clear on that:
"Tibby's has decided to retire from its position as an authorized Harley-Davidson dealership..."
Any chance they're just going indie?
That is done back door at the dealer meetingThat is what I figured since it is only a couple weeks away. But I was wondering if any word had leaked out about what dealerships might be closing.
That is done back door at the dealer meeting
That is done back door at the dealer meeting
Interesting way to phrase that. Is that lifted from Led Zep or the Doors?
Eagles, Hotel California. "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave."
Oh, I think they want them to leave!and if they want them to leave, they have their ways to make it happen. :-X spyder
Just got an e-mail about Tibby's Harley-Davidson in Springfield, Mass closing at the end of June.
http://www.tibbysharley.com/ (http://www.tibbysharley.com/)
Less pleasant news from England: Manchester Harley-Davidson closed its doors last week and while there will undoubtedly be speculation regarding the future of St Ledger and Leeds, this could be a strategic closure to protect the group. Newcastle is unaffected as it was sold last year. Update today, St Ledger and Leeds - recently held up by Harley as second best only to Warr's - have closed their doors too, and all staff laid off: Harley have cleared their stuff out. No news on whether there are any buyers for any of the shops, but it looks like Summer Retail - the parent group - has gone. Good luck to all those affected.
Three Harley dealerships in north of UK close.
:-X :-X :-X
Yeah, but the guys that are losing their jobs are the one's that treat you like chit when you go in for service. And the one's that don't deal with the public are the one's that do the chitty work on your bike over and over again. Not always, but that's the rule. There is a reason these dealers are going out....
I have no sympathy for them, Dave. (I do have lots for the guys losing their jobs though!) They - along with all the other dealerships in the UK - sat back and let Harley up the prices TWICE in the middle of a recession. I bought three CVO Ultras in 3 years, and the price was silly, but bearable. Last one was £23k. Then they upped the price twice within a few months, and they are now £30k. There is NO bike in the world worth that, and that's got nothing to do with whether I can afford it or not. I - and any sane person - will simply not be blatantly ripped off. These bikes cost more than, for example, a BMW 320d M Sport, and that is simply stupid. Parts likewise - £151.31 (US$248) for each mirror from a CUSE2. What?!?!? FFS!! We have paint problems, engine problems, chrome peeling, etc etc. Imagine if you bought one of the BMWs above, and had all those problems? Nah, the answer is that instead of counting all the money they thought were going to make, the dealerships should have stood up en masse to HD UK, and told them the prices are simply not viable.
Jim
well Jim, we pay 36.950 EUR for last year's FLHTCUSE (http://www.harley-dresden.com/index.php?s=harley_bikes&mode=1&submode=0&start=5) - that's some 32.500 GBP. Still some air left for upping your british prices ;D
The FLHTCUSE is now at 39.000 euros.It's 2.000 euros more than last year for the 2011 model. >:(
It's too bad the Motor Company has that much control.
Absolutely, B.A. :(Agree.........seems as tho they've always been their own worse enemy. :( :-[spyder
They are in danger of killing the goose that laid the golden egg.
Jim
As song as there are people out there buying their chit...the MOCO will continue to raise prices.
All American HD in Albany,Or closed recently.
I wonder if the number of new dealerships is equal to or greater than the ones disappearing?
Jim
Just found out that Gutterridge Harley-Davidson in Danville, IL. closed back in March. Checked out their website, still online and nothing about being closed. www.gutterridgehd.com
All American HD in Albany,Or closed recently.Karma, some of their employees have been at Salem HD for some time now. Most recently thier sales manager who hasen't changed any as she dropped the ball on Ernie but the SM took over and treated Ernie very good.
Sure doesn't appear that they closed in March, with them showing current models just released for sale. :confused5: :nixweiss:
Don't know this and was too lazy to call the dealer phone number and actually find out rather than speculate. But was on the phone with a buddy from Danville a few days ago who mentioned during the conversation this his local shop had gone indie. Hadn't closed the doors just no longer a bona fide HD dealership.
Good luck to them for having the courage to ditch the MoCo, their draconian policies, and most of all their ridiculous pricing! :2vrolijk_21:Yeah, 'cept it's one less place to get parts when traveling thru. spyder
Jim
Yeah, 'cept it's one less place to get parts when traveling thru. spyder
Exactly what I'm saying, hogasm. But why won't people get sensible instead of getting ass-raped, and just stop buying these bikes till it hurts the MoCo? That's the real question. It doesn't do any "real" HD owner any favours - we end up being all classed as spoiled rich folks with a whole lot more money than sense, and basically get laughed at by folks in the real world. :( Bikes bought at upwards of US$50000 (A CUSE in India costs around - wait for this - US$80,000!!!) don't make us look like cool dudes, or lucky, or envied; they simply make us look as if we are fools, stupid to pay the price. I don't care that in many countries - like the examples I gave yesterday of Switzerland, Austria, and Scandinavia - a big chunk is import duty; if the actual price of the bike was closer to reality, the duty would be a whole lot lower.
Nothing to do with having the money to pay for one, everything to do with having the wisdom not to.
Jim
I take all my bikes to the dealership for 5k, 10k, 20k etc... service like clockwork. They also install anything that takes more then a few min, like the new bars I had put on my Street Glide. I could do the work myself, but frankly my weekend time is precious, I enjoy the riding and parties etc... losing a weekend to my bike being down is not worth the few dollars it cost to have the dealership do it during the week.
Monolith
Paramount HD in Framingham, Ma. Closing their dealership October 28,2011
Did they relocate or consolidate with another location?
Precision HD over in Pawtucket is a sister shop to the Framingham dealership.
Precision HD in Pawtucket RI is actually the parent shop to Paramount HD, owned by three brothers Rich, Jim, & Stan. They expanded into Ma. sometime around 2002 when they bought an old supermarket in Framingham Ma and opened a new dealership. They grabbed some experienced HD personal from their RI shop and also from NH & Mass Dealerships, Some of these people I was familiar with. The biggest disappointment for me is "Lew" their service Mgr is retiring! He originally worked in Boston @ Cycle Craft HD for about a million years! Cycle Craft HD was the biggest HD dealership in Ma. until Paramount HD opened up and has been in business since before I even had a licence to drive! Originally owned by the Atwood family, Cycle Craft HD changed hands in 2004 and is now Boston HD, I bought my 1st HD in 1995 at that store and two more since, and Lew took very good care of me. The Boston Dealership has changed hands twice 2004, first bought by Rossmeyer and now it's owned by one of the NH dealerships. I left them in 2003 when I found out the service Mgr Lew was let go, right after I bought my 2003 RG, they never saw that bike again, the 1st service was done at Paramount HD by my old friend & service Mgr Lew!!! Well now I guess it's of to RI for service I still have 5 years on the warranty!! Bostonboy "DH"
I think if about 75% of them closed the doors for good, perhaps the remaining 25% would get a better attitude !!!
.....just my 2 pesos
:jalapeno:
I think that if 75% of them closed, they would have a bigger "Attitude".
Where would be able to go?
competition is what helps us, lack of, kills us
Wandell last week stated in Columbus (http://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/morning_call/2011/10/harley-davidson-ceo-aims-to-wow.html?page=all):
"... Wandell said North America, with half of Harley-Davidson’s more than 1,400 dealer locations, has been over-developed and between 60 and 70 stores have closed with another 30 expected. Those closures are meant to strengthen the business for the remaining dealerships."
I think HD is forgetting that a big dealer network helps sell the product ... I love the "Destination dealers" since they're fun to browse, but I don't think I'd enjoy a 200 mile round trip every time I needed service. Oh wait, I do that now on my other bike (a beemer) and it isn't the worst, but it is a hassle ... and god help me if it needs to stay overnight.
I think HD is forgetting that a big dealer network helps sell the product ... I love the "Destination dealers" since they're fun to browse, but I don't think I'd enjoy a 200 mile round trip every time I needed service. Oh wait, I do that now on my other bike (a beemer) and it isn't the worst, but it is a hassle ... and god help me if it needs to stay overnight.
For which we read "will reduce competition and prevent discounting...." Hans. I've about had it with Harley, I'm afraid. I'm just not willing to be ripped off any more. If they'd stopped dealers selling to international customers and made the prices the same in Europe as they are in the US, I wouldn't have minded, but why should we pay several times the [already far too high] US prices?
For which we read "will reduce competition and prevent discounting...." Hans. I've about had it with Harley, I'm afraid. I'm just not willing to be ripped off any more. If they'd stopped dealers selling to international customers and made the prices the same in Europe as they are in the US, I wouldn't have minded, but why should we pay several times the [already far too high] US prices?
Jim
Wow. I can't imagine. Just saw in this months HOG magazine the CVO Ultra lists at $37,249.00. I hate paying any freight or dealer prep over here. I can't imagine what you'd have to pay there. :-\
You could get ya a BMW.......just sayin. :P
Paramount Harley Davidson in Framingham Massachusetts will close its doors on October 28th 2011 after 10 years of service.
I don't know if this has been said before, because I did not read all 24 pages, but Harley requires a total redo on any store 10 years old. That could coast the owner in the Millions of dollars. I know of a dealer that had 2 stores and closed one because of the cost of the remodel was not wort it in this economy.That MIGHT be true, but the largest dealer in the greater Milwaukee area as I understand,
I don't know if this has been said before, because I did not read all 24 pages, but Harley requires a total redo on any store 10 years old. That could coast the owner in the Millions of dollars. I know of a dealer that had 2 stores and closed one because of the cost of the remodel was not wort it in this economy.
Harley does not require a dealership to do a total redo just because a store is 10 years old. That being said, there are updates to fixtures that may, or may not be required/suggested, both free standing and on the walls. And yes, that can cost tens of thousands of dollars; however, not doing the updates does not have dire consequences.So they're just trying to 'help'. :-\ spyder
Harley does not require a dealership to do a total redo just because a store is 10 years old. That being said, there are updates to fixtures that may, or may not be required/suggested, both free standing and on the walls. And yes, that can cost tens of thousands of dollars; however, not doing the updates does not have dire consequences.
Um, not sure where you're getting your info, and while age is just part of the equation, you are wrong about the updates not being manditory and in many cases crippling expensive.
About the updates
Um, not sure where you're getting your info, and while its not
Anyone immediately think of dealerships they visit that have not had major facelifts in the last ten years? I can think of a few within riding distance of me. Don't really care one way or the other what Harley might try to make them do. Just don't remember this seeming applied as universally as is being suggested; at least among the shops I see occasionally.Local dealer was discussing this with the 'rep' when I was by just last week. Measuring wall panel displays, etc. Don't know if it's 'required' or not, but apparently still going on. :-\ spyder
Um, not sure where you're getting your info, and while age is just part of the equation, you are wrong about the updates not being manditory and in many cases crippling expensive.Um, I'm getting my information from being a Dealer for nearly two decades and no mandatory facelifts done in that time. Yes, there are times when they encourage upgrades and are currently working with some dealers to update their interior slatwall and free standing fixtures and yes, in many cases it will not be cheap. However, if a dealer does not do it, there are no dire consequences being held over us. So, you are not correct, or your source is putting their own spin to it which is fairly common. :)
Um, I'm getting my information from being a Dealer for nearly two decades and no no mandatory facelifts done in that time. Yes, there are times when they encourage upgrades and are currently working with some dealers to update their interior slatwall and free standing fixtures and yes, in many cases it will not be cheap. However, if a dealer does not do it, there are no dire consequences being held over us. So, you are not correct, or your source is putting their own spin to it which is fairly common. :)
Um, I'm getting my information from being a Dealer for nearly two decades and no no mandatory facelifts done in that time. Yes, there are times when they encourage upgrades and are currently working with some dealers to update their interior slatwall and free standing fixtures and yes, in many cases it will not be cheap. However, if a dealer does not do it, there are no dire consequences being held over us. So, you are not correct, or your source is putting their own spin to it which is fairly common. :)
Anyone immediately think of dealerships they visit that have not had major facelifts in the last ten years? I can think of a few within riding distance of me. Don't really care one way or the other what Harley might try to make them do. Just don't remember this seeming applied as universally as is being suggested; at least among the shops I see occasionally.
For obvious reasons I'm not going to go into this publicly, but the fact is, I think it's a little silly for you to sit here and state with authority that just because you were not forced to build a big box, that nobody ever was, especially in a major market. It's unreasonable to suggest that they are lying and you have some kind of an exclusive on all individual MOCO dealer relationships, unless you're also claiming Keith runs all issues past you as well. I'm not sure where in Northern CA you are, nor what sq/ft you have in relation to the size of the market, or the density of other dealers, but I would have to assume your penetration ratio - whatever that is, must be more acceptable than these guys were. And yes, one partnership refused and was given no good alternative but to sell (yes he called it forced), and the other guy built the big box and will eventually loose alot, if not everything. I'm thankful for your sake you were not put in the same situation, but I've known these guys way before and after, and there's just nothing to lie about. Good luck.
Is Zanotti Harley going out of business? :confused5:
Is Zanotti Harley going out of business? :confused5:Moved/merged your thread with this one since someone earlier (Reply #344 (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=32582.msg955782#msg955782)) had posted about them closing and provided a copy of the email they received from Zanotti.
Paramount HD in Framingham, Ma. Closing their dealership October 28,2011
Millville HD in South Jersey shut both its stores- Millville and Wildwood HD-after probably 40 or more years.
Detroit Harley Davidson closed it's doors this fall.
I always wondered how those "cold weather" states support HD dealerships when there is a limited riding season.I know the dealers lay off techs, The service managers are making deals, beggin for work.
Anybody have a source for this info, and update or correction to this #?
Go through this thread and count them up. :nixweiss:
Harley does not require a dealership to do a total redo just because a store is 10 years old. That being said, there are updates to fixtures that may, or may not be required/suggested, both free standing and on the walls. And yes, that can cost tens of thousands of dollars; however, not doing the updates does not have dire consequences.If I was wrong in what I stated it was from information I got from the dealer. It was not ment to miss lead any one.
Too high a number for you? :huepfenlol2:I know the answer......thought you've been here long enough to know the answer, too. :2vrolijk_21:
Here's the dealer numbers from H-D, printed in the investors relationship info and available off their website.
Seems that with all the change things stay fairly level in the number of dealerships, down 33 from the 2008 high of 686. The Secondary retail are also down 28 from a high of 104 in 2007 which certainly adds to the total number of stores closed but still not extremely dramatic in my mind, these are not the mall locations but satellite retail units.
Mall stores "alternative" retail outlets in H-D lingo are actually up to 86 from 2007 low number of 68 which offsets some of the secondary retail store loss as mall stores are owned by dealers as well.
Harley-Davidson Full Service Dealerships
2010 2009 2008 2007 2006
USA 653 671 686 684 679
Canada 71 71 71 74 75
Secondary Retail Locations
2010 2009 2008 2007 2006
USA 76 87 101 104 97
Canada 3 3 3 2 2
Alternative Retail Outlets
2010 2009 2008 2007 2006
USA 86 83 77 68 69
Canada 3 5 3 8 2
http://investor.harley-davidson.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=87981&p=irol-dealerships&locale=en_US&bmLocale=en_US
Go through this thread and count them up. :nixweiss:
There was a prior threat about Santa Cruz but here are a few more I got from another site:
Central Harley Davidson (North) in Kansas City, KS
Doyles HD in Roseburg, Oregon
Wilwert's HD Dubuque, Iowa
San Juan Capistrano Harley, CA
Birds of Prey HD Caldwell, Idaho
Hangtown Harley in Placerville, CA
Pineda HD in Melbourne, FL (merged w/ Space Coast)
**edited**
HD of Amador Amador CA
Auburn HD Auburn CA
Elk Grove HD Elk Grove CA
Jacson HD Jacson CA
HD of Rocklin Rocklin CA
Doyles HD Roseburg CA
The Ridge HD Lake Wales FL
Pompano Beach HD Pompano Beach FL
Birds of Prey HD Caldwell ID
Central HD (north) Kansas City KS
Riverfront HD Lawrence KS
Shreveport HD Shreveport LA
Outerbanks HD Elizabeth City NC
Littleton HD Bethlehem NH
Brooklyn HD Brooklyn NY
Dick's HD Rome NY
Roeder's HD Sandusky OH
Cerini HD PA
Hartford HD Hartford WI
old story (http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/HD_News/Company/newsarticle.jsp?locale=en_US&articleLink=News%2F1268_press_release.hdnews&newsYear=2011&history=news).
Calling business decisions "heartless" disqualifies any article anyway ;)
Chances are the australian crap will not be displaced by chinese but italian crap ;D
... So the quality of [all] HDs heads steadily south, while the price continues to rocket north. :(
that's a fact indeed :nervous:
Never had a problem with anything made in Australia, including Castaloy wheels on HDs. With items made in China, however, the quality reflects the cost to the OEM, in my experience, Hans.
So the quality of [all] HDs heads steadily south, while the price continues to rocket north. :(
You said it, Hans. In the press release, this is the telling part: "The sourcing of the New Castalloy production to other existing suppliers is expected to generate about $9 million in annual ongoing savings" The $9m savings will doubtless be passed on to the mugs that continue to buy HDs in the form of even lower quality, and even higher prices. >:(
As a lifelong HD enthusiast, I am enraged at how the current management is ruining the product, stopping US dealers from selling to overseas customers, and inflating price WAY WAY beyond what any motorcycle (or part) costs to make and is worth. They will not be getting any more money from me. :(
Here in St.Augustine, the Dealer is a dealer until 31 Jan 2012. Then will stay opened to get rid of their inventory for a short time,I here.. I have mixed feelings. Since the new owners took over it has gone down hill. Very greedy. Speaking from my experience with them. Other locals feel the same as I do. I'm still pissed at Motor Co about not standing behind their products. I have a front wheel with the chrome pealing, won't stand behind products.. I wonder if others feel the same and quit buying New Harley's.. I guess what goes around come around..
I have a 2010 CVO Street glide and I had the same problem with the chrome on the front wheel. Peeling and bubbles. In Oct. of last year my dealer replaced it with no problems. I was told they would only replace each tire once while under warranty. So I still have a couple months left on the rear tire if it should start to peel it will be replaced at no charge. Maybe it was your dealer not wanting to do the work?
I am an attorney. Don't take stuff like that laying down. Don't accept what you are told if it truly is wrong or unfair. :pineapple:
Jim;
I don't know about selling overseas, as that is a whole different ball of wax. However, the Moco tried to prevent dealers from selling on ebay, Amazon and similar sites as well as advertising deep discounts on their own sites. The Moco is attempting to "regionalize" sales to force people into their local dealer as opposed to ordering over the net. They've also forced dealers to discontinue wholesale discounts to indy repair shops.
fortunately, for the moment, the Moco lost the internet battle. They've also precluded dealers from advertising discount sales on current parts. It's getting like marshall rule????
the St. Paul H-D sv Harley-Davidson Inc case (http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2011/11/30/st-paul-harley-dealer-wins-ruling-on.html) is still pending.
I suspect the reason is, even if the dealer prevails, HD has a number of ways to retailiate against the trouble makers.
hello all . i have also heard that SUBURBAN H.D. AND CHICAGO H.D. also have class-action lawsuits against harley.. that have been going on for a few months now..
hello all . i have also heard that SUBURBAN H.D. AND CHICAGO H.D. also have class-action lawsuits against harley.. that have been going on for a few months now..
Devil Mountain Harley Davidson in Antioch, Ca. has closed.
St. Augustine Fl. closed the doors on Febuary 1.
St. Augustine Fl. closed the doors on Febuary 1.
Detroit Harley closed jan 1 in centerline MI All HD emblems pulled off buildingWow, that sucks. I guess we still have Motorcity HD.
Drove by there today it is now called DETROIT CYCLE no longer a HARLEY dealership :nixweiss:
Thanks for the update. I was there saturday & was told they were closing the doors on Febuary 1st. That's good to know. I'll still stop in when I'm down that way!
I don't know how long they'll be there. I'm gonna try and stop in,in the morning. Not a whole lot left. A leather jacket I liked if the price gets better.....Go there every time I come down for bike week :(
TORONTO HARLEY will be closing it's doors on April 9th.
Starting today everything in the store id 50% off.
Update on Harley-Davidson of Toronto...
I have just learned that yesterday morning at 9:00am the staff at HD of Toronto were informed that the dealership doors are closing on April 9th and that they could or any of their friends and clients are welcome to make use of the 50% off sale beginning right then.
By 10:00am (1 hour after the announcement) all bikes in the store had been sold!
Now there's just clothing, collectables and some parts remaining to sell.
The store is almost empty!
That was a brand new building wasn't it within the last two-three years? That'll be a hit. :nervous:
Update on Harley-Davidson of Toronto...
I have just learned that yesterday morning at 9:00am the staff at HD of Toronto were informed that the dealership doors are closing on April 9th and that they could or any of their friends and clients are welcome to make use of the 50% off sale beginning right then.
By 10:00am (1 hour after the announcement) all bikes in the store had been sold!
Now there's just clothing, collectables and some parts remaining to sell.
The store is almost empty!
Yes, this is true. I got a text at about 10:30 am. I was at work by the time I got there it was 4:00 pm and all the good stuff was gone. I seen 2 guys from other Harley dealerships there and they where buying everything. They are probably going to put it all back on there shelfs at regular price. I heard that one guy bought 3 bikes on his credit card. Probably going to flip those who knows. I got some shirts and a leather jacket that was priced at $860 + tax for 225 +tax.
My biggest concern when i got there was my bike. It is there for the audio repair and i was terrified at the thought of what will happen. I talked with the mechanic and he assured me that he will have it ready for me by the end of the week. I will feel better once it is back in my garage.
I priced out a new CVO @ there old Dealership on Front Street in 07. They were $2,000 more than anyone. They have , or had, the Rossmeyer mentality.
Hey Mano,
I'm certain everything will work out for you and your bike will be as good as new when you have it back... The people who have their bikes in storage with them had better get in touch with them because I can't see them lasting until April 9th. :nixweiss:
BTW, which dealerships were the two guys you saw out of? Were they buying bikes or just parts and accessories? I'd be surprised if a dealer didn't buy a bunch of bikes.
You maybe counting the days, but again I'm sure you'll get your bike back on time.
Take care,
Grizzly
I just heard the same thing this morning... I was also told that the 50% off was on bikes as well. Even though they didn't have any 2012's to sell, apparently their "new" 09's, 10's & 11's all sold yesterday with the deep discounts offered.
Any truth to that statement Mano?
The numbers have been released for 2011, not so good:Here's the dealer numbers from H-D, printed in the investors relationship info and available off their website.Thanks for that info, and especially for the link to the investor site. When they update that to include 2011 results, we'll be able to see how this year has been for HD overall.
Seems that with all the change things stay fairly level in the number of dealerships, down 33 from the 2008 high of 686. The Secondary retail are also down 28 from a high of 104 in 2007 which certainly adds to the total number of stores closed but still not extremely dramatic in my mind, these are not the mall locations but satellite retail units.
Mall stores "alternative" retail outlets in H-D lingo are actually up to 86 from 2007 low number of 68 which offsets some of the secondary retail store loss as mall stores are owned by dealers as well.
Harley-Davidson Full Service Dealerships
2010 2009 2008 2007 2006
USA 653 671 686 684 679
Canada 71 71 71 74 75
Secondary Retail Locations
2010 2009 2008 2007 2006
USA 76 87 101 104 97
Canada 3 3 3 2 2
Alternative Retail Outlets
2010 2009 2008 2007 2006
USA 86 83 77 68 69
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Just got a letter from Deeley Canada, Toronto HD will be shutting down effective April 9th... they were one of the biggest dealers in our area.
By 'biggest" I'm certain you are referring to square footage... They never really could compete with the other dealers in the area, which is just one reason why they are gone. Apparently there hasn't been much there for weeks now, no Internet and I'm not sure if they are even answering the phone, so it will be something if they hang on till April 9th???
It is very unfortunate that Canada's largest city now has no Harley dealer within their boundaries.
When visiting the Toronto dealership a couple years ago, I was disappointed in the store... I was expecting a more comprehensive place... What are the dominant dealerships in the Toronto area? :nixweiss:.
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How long ago was your visit? If it was the one on Front Street yes that was small but if it was the on on Lawrence Ave that place was huge. It even had the one of the biggest B&S signs in North America.
We still have Mackie in the east, Davies in the north and Jacox in the west.
Here's the new place:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=toronto+harley+davidson+lawrence&hl=en&ll=43.741045,-79.321849&spn=0.000031,0.013797&gbv=2&fb=1&gl=ca&hq=toronto+harley+davidson+lawrence&cid=0,0,6822630150678414019&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.741045,-79.321849&panoid=oqY-z0GopZHDT_dpQuYetA&cbp=12,182.32,,0,4.48
Here's the new place:
http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=toronto+harley+davidson+lawrence&hl=en&ll=43.741045,-79.321849&spn=0.000031,0.013797&gbv=2&fb=1&gl=ca&hq=toronto+harley+davidson+lawrence&cid=0,0,6822630150678414019&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=43.741045,-79.321849&panoid=oqY-z0GopZHDT_dpQuYetA&cbp=12,182.32,,0,4.48
Yup, it sure looks empty.
I've been informed that Deeley (H-D Canada) has confirmed that there will be no dealership in Toronto in the forseeable future.
similar to what our friends in Europe experience, but at least there is some justification for the distance it must travel there first.
Mighty expensive. The prices in Korea are right at double that of the US prices. Thankfully I don't have to pay them. Man you guys are dedicated.
It's quite simply MoCo (and in your case Deeley, in our case HD Europe) pure greed, I think Murff. The prices here - and perhaps there in Canada - are simply unbelievable. Items are already seriously overpriced at US prices and we are asked to pay so much more that in terms of justifying it by distance travelled, they could have their own luxury round-the-world cruise for the extra!
A couple of examples:
58260-09CZA outer batwing fairing. US price (with discount, of course) $589.60. UK price $1667.50 at current exchange rate, inc tax.
91951-07 LH mirror. US price $102.40. UK price $289.62 (For ONE freakin' mirror!!!!)
And one that really takes the biscuit. The little chrome strip round the front edge of HDI bikes. Just a little chrome strip with sticky tape on it. Pretty plain, and not very big.
59280-02 Fender Tip, HDI. US Price $120 (bad enough!!!!) UK price $339.38 (WTF??? $340 for a little chrome strip???? Are they crazy??)
I'd love to know what you are being asked to pay for these part #s in Canada, Murff.
Jim
Here you go Jim...
Canadian prices including 13% (GST + PST) tax in Ontario
58260-09CZA $983.04
91951-07 $198.82
59280-02 $233.85
More than U.S. but less than U.K. pricing.
The best has to be tires... I can spend $880 (tax in) at a US dealer and equip mine AND my wife's Ultras with new tires or
I can spend $866.14 (tax in) to do one bike in Ontario. So for $13.85 more I get TWO for the price of ONE! :o
BTW, lately the CND$ has been slightly above the US$ so there's no exchange to be concerned with.
Naturally when we require new tires we plan for a road trip south of the border. :2vrolijk_21:
The "Deeley Tax" has long been a bone of contention here, stuff that can cost you south of the border one price can cost us double here... it must be similar to what our friends in Europe experience, but at least there is some justification for the distance it must travel there first.
Others hit the nail on the head when relaying Toronto's attitude towards the customer, but I can't help to think the way Deeley behaves had a lot to do with it as well.
18 million is what that place cost but the truth is that they were not selling enough bikes. Come to think of it there service was not that great ether. What they could not fix on my bike in over 8 months another dealer did it in 7 days.....that included waiting for parts.
I was told that the Lamborghini dealership next door will stay open. It is owned by the same guy.
As for the city of Toronto not having a Harley dealership that is to be seen. I belong to the Toronto H.O.G. Chapter and at our last meeting we were asked to sit tight and keep the group together. We are thinking that another Harley dealer will be opening up but this cannot be confirmed.....time will tell....as they say "it will all come out in the wash".
I'm on a 'break' in Arizona and stopped by Superstition HD in Apache Junction.....they quit doing rentals Dec 1st.....not very much for Motor Clothes....and less than half a showroom of bikes with a bunch of those being the rental fleet for sale. Makes me wonder how long they will last.
Chester's in Mesa looks like business as usual.
We lost a small local dealer here as well... that dealership had one of the best HOG chapters in the state... HOG told us to sit tight.. something is in the works... they were allowed to keep the charter through the end of the year... lets see what washes out.
As, Owner/Dealer Principal of Superstition Harley-Davidson, part of my responsibilities is keeping my finger on the pulse of all things Harley-Davidson. I have to say that I was surprised by your post and wanted to personally address your concerns. Let me start by saying that Superstition Harley-Davidson is not closing. We have chosen to discontinue rentals because it’s a very seasonal portion of our business. What most folks don’t realize is that a rental department requires more than just having bikes available to rent. There’s staffing of the department, insurance, repairs and maintenance whether the bikes are on the road or not. Our decommissioned rental bikes have always been fast sellers because of the standards we uphold in maintaining them. We decided that our capital was better used for continued education of current employees and hiring more staff to meet our customers’ expectations.
It seems, by the date of your post, that you were here in the height of the Christmas buying season. It’s a very busy time of year for us in all our departments and getting merchandise to the floor as fast as we sell it is an “all hands on deck” proposition. We won’t sacrifice our high standard of customer service during business hours so our Motorclothes & General Merchandise are restocked before or after close of business during high season. If you don’t see something, please ask. One of our Sales Associates will happily answer any questions.
I understand your confusion about the number of bikes on the floor! The simple answer is this – the Motor Company controls when bikes are shipped. Sometimes the inventory is out of balance because we’ve sold more new bikes than we were shipped in a given time. Higher sales = lower inventory. When that happens, a deposit is all that’s needed to claim one of the bikes that are on the way from Harley-Davidson.
I hope I’ve addressed your concerns and we look forward to seeing you on your next 'break'. Be well & ride safe!
As, Owner/Dealer Principal of Superstition Harley-Davidson, part of my responsibilities is keeping my finger on the pulse of all things Harley-Davidson. I have to say that I was surprised by your post and wanted to personally address your concerns. Let me start by saying that Superstition Harley-Davidson is not closing. We have chosen to discontinue rentals because it’s a very seasonal portion of our business. What most folks don’t realize is that a rental department requires more than just having bikes available to rent. There’s staffing of the department, insurance, repairs and maintenance whether the bikes are on the road or not. Our decommissioned rental bikes have always been fast sellers because of the standards we uphold in maintaining them. We decided that our capital was better used for continued education of current employees and hiring more staff to meet our customers’ expectations.
It seems, by the date of your post, that you were here in the height of the Christmas buying season. It’s a very busy time of year for us in all our departments and getting merchandise to the floor as fast as we sell it is an “all hands on deck” proposition. We won’t sacrifice our high standard of customer service during business hours so our Motorclothes & General Merchandise are restocked before or after close of business during high season. If you don’t see something, please ask. One of our Sales Associates will happily answer any questions.
I understand your confusion about the number of bikes on the floor! The simple answer is this – the Motor Company controls when bikes are shipped. Sometimes the inventory is out of balance because we’ve sold more new bikes than we were shipped in a given time. Higher sales = lower inventory. When that happens, a deposit is all that’s needed to claim one of the bikes that are on the way from Harley-Davidson.
I hope I’ve addressed your concerns and we look forward to seeing you on your next 'break'. Be well & ride safe!
So to twist this a little. How many dealers have closed because other dealers infringed on their territories?Maybe, here in Canada the dealerships don't believe in making a bit off of each sale. Instead, it would appear that a large profit needs to be made off of each individual sale. When in my local HD store, I keep my a$$ against a wall!
Apparently St. Paul HD thinks they can sell to the world ( and most here seem to think that's okay). Now a dealer in Toronto is closed. So if you live in Toronto and purchased parts from St. Paul HD you contributed to this. And subsequently you can now service your bike in MN :oops:
As, Owner/Dealer Principal of Superstition Harley-Davidson, part of my responsibilities is keeping my finger on the pulse of all things Harley-Davidson. I have to say that I was surprised by your post and wanted to personally address your concerns. Let me start by saying that Superstition Harley-Davidson is not closing. We have chosen to discontinue rentals because it’s a very seasonal portion of our business. What most folks don’t realize is that a rental department requires more than just having bikes available to rent. There’s staffing of the department, insurance, repairs and maintenance whether the bikes are on the road or not. Our decommissioned rental bikes have always been fast sellers because of the standards we uphold in maintaining them. We decided that our capital was better used for continued education of current employees and hiring more staff to meet our customers’ expectations.Yes, you did. Thanks for the response.
It seems, by the date of your post, that you were here in the height of the Christmas buying season. It’s a very busy time of year for us in all our departments and getting merchandise to the floor as fast as we sell it is an “all hands on deck” proposition. We won’t sacrifice our high standard of customer service during business hours so our Motorclothes & General Merchandise are restocked before or after close of business during high season. If you don’t see something, please ask. One of our Sales Associates will happily answer any questions.
I understand your confusion about the number of bikes on the floor! The simple answer is this – the Motor Company controls when bikes are shipped. Sometimes the inventory is out of balance because we’ve sold more new bikes than we were shipped in a given time. Higher sales = lower inventory. When that happens, a deposit is all that’s needed to claim one of the bikes that are on the way from Harley-Davidson.
I hope I’ve addressed your concerns and we look forward to seeing you on your next 'break'. Be well & ride safe!
one Chicago suburb loses Harley dealership to another (http://www.dealernews.com/dealernews/article/articleList.jsp?sort=null&pageNo=2&start=9&categoryId=48447).
FLETCHER'S HARLEY-DAVIDSON TO CLOSE
Clearwater, Florida (07/11/2012) - Fletcher's Harley-Davidson, Clearwater, Florida announced today that it will close its store after 48 years in business. Co-owners, Laura Fletcher, Peggy McFarland, and Sherry Conder, say "they would like to thank their loyal employees and customers for the best years of their lives while operating Fletcher's Harley-Davidson."
All I can say is WOW.
http://www.psnnewsletter.com/newsletters/73761_2012_7_11_2_50_42.html
HD came in after his passing and let them know they needed another 1 Mil update or new building and the sales people needed to retrain for aggression or be replaced.Now there's some real compassion being shown by the MOCO. :2vrolijk_21:
Darn...too bad about Mt Baker.....just had my 8k service done there and they were great!...but am having a heck of a time getting the receipt for it. (Didn't want to cross the border with a copy on the bike or my person).Finally got it after 3 e-mails and 3 phone calls!
Check this out! Click HERE (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=77283.msg1093352#msg1093352)!!!!Which dealer is closing in this post?
I wonder how many dealerships have permanently closed vs. how many new dealerships have opened since January 2009?
Was looking for a specific jacket and came across this....anyone in this area heard about this store going away?
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