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CVO Technical => Electronic Toys and Gadgets => Topic started by: hd-dude on August 16, 2006, 11:31:36 PM
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Its been A long time coming but I am finally posting the "How To" on moving the aux input to the rear of the radio.
First step is to remove the radio bottom. This will access the aux input wires where they plug into the circuit board. Remove the 4 screws shown here. You also need to use a razor blade to cut the silicone along the edge of the bottom where it meets the rubber edge on the front of the radio. The CD player carriage will come out with attached to the bottom of the radio. There is a ribbon cable that is long enough to allow you to lay the bottom along side of the radio.
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To remove the top of the radio you need to cut the silicone as on the bottom and remove these screws;
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I used a 1/8" stereo extension cable from Radio Shack to the connector. Cut the female end of the cable to about 12" long and run it through a holed drilled in the plastic filler on the back of the radio. Run the cable to the front of the radio and then around to the bottom and out near the input connector.You can safely drill here without hitting any electronics.
Hole drilled in plastic filler:
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Run wire through....(The amp board is removed here but you do not need to)
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Bring wire around to bottom of radio near aux input...
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The wire codes are as follows:
1 = Right Channel +
2 = Left Channel +
3 = Common Audio -
4 = Plug sense
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Un-twist the wires and cut one at a time and solder the new wire to the cut ends. Heat shrink each connection individually.
Here you see the wires spliced in. Note the brown wire on pin 4 is cut and the ends safed off. This allows the radio to stop at the aux position when switching modes even though there is not anything plugged into the front jack.
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Put the covers back on and silicone the screws where they were previously. Also note that the front input jack will still function. DO NOT run both inputs at the same time as you may overdrive the input to the stereo. If you do use both just have one unit turned off while using the other.
That's it...any questions?
Class dismissed ;D
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Thanks for that Jim. Got a buddy here who has been wanting that done. You saved me opening it up again a second time as I'd not have thought of opening the "sense" leg to let it stop there for something plugged in the rear.
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Thanks for that Jim.
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I was planning on doing this with my radio, but today I finally tried my iPod and I am not happy with the sound. Seems to have too much distortion at any volume loud enough to listen to. Kind of disappointed. Don't think I will bother taking the radio out.
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I was planning on doing this with my radio, but today I finally tried my iPod and I am not happy with the sound. Seems to have too much distortion at any volume loud enough to listen too. Kind of disappointed. Don't think I will bother taking the radio out.
That is disappointing. I was just thinking about installing my Ipod in addition to Garmin and was glad to find this thread as I would surely need more then one Aux input.
Does anyone have experience of successful Ipod installation on a bike?
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That is disappointing. I was just thinking about installing my Ipod in addition to Garmin and was glad to find this thread as I would surely need more then one Aux input.
Does anyone have experience of successful Ipod installation on a bike?
I know many people that have the ipod or other mp3 players on their bikes with good results. One thing to check is the EQ setting on the ipod. It will work best if this is set to flat or off. Also be sure that there is nor bass boost of any kind turned on.
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One thing to check is the EQ setting on the iPod.
HD is right. I tried this after my last post, several different settings. It plays much better with the EQ set to off.
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Sweet and the pictures really help - just finished hacking my friends and it works GREAT!!! [smiley=drink.gif]
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Sweet and the pictures really help - just finished hacking my friends and it works GREAT!!!
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Couple of questions: 1. The description you are showing, is this on the Harmon Kardon radio? 2. What should I ask for, for the connector cord that comes out the back of the radio? 3. Are you saying to cut the brown wire so that it will stop at the AUX postion? Why is that? 4. How hard is it to get the radio out of the dash and what is required to get it out? Appreciate the help, I have a Garmin GPS hooked up and have had to tie into the front AUX port with the wire hanging around my bars. I've been wanting to get that wire behind the fairing since I got the bike. Thanks again. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Couple of questions: 1. The description you are showing, is this on the Harmon Kardon radio? 2. What should I ask for, for the connector cord that comes out the back of the radio?
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Jim, I will be anxiously awaiting you doing an HK radio, as I need to do this to mine now. the black cord was not noticable on the black inner fairing...'till I put the chrome face plate on the radio and surrounding guages... :(
Have no earthly idear where to get a schematic for the HK.... [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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Great, thanks for the answers. I was pretty sure, based on the pictures that this wasn't the HK radio. I will be anxiously awaiting your detailed description for doing the same with the HK. Thanks for all your help, and will look forward to your post. [smiley=drink.gif]
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I am assuming that the reason for this is to have say your IPOD (which I have no problems with but would be curious as to how to turn the equalizer off or to flat - I have the IPOD MINI) and a GPS running audio at the same time.
Question: Having your GPS run thru the new Aux at the back and your MP3 player thru the front, what happens when your GPS starts to talk to you? Does the MP3 player mute or would you hear both at the same time?
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I am assuming that the reason for this is to have say your IPOD (which I have no problems with but would be curious as to how to turn the equalizer off or to flat - I have the IPOD MINI) and a GPS running audio at the same time.
Question: Having your GPS run thru the new Aux at the back and your MP3 player thru the front, what happens when your GPS starts to talk to you? Does the MP3 player mute or would you hear both at the same time?
Both inputs work simultaneously so you would hear them both......
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Thanks a ton, did it tonight and it works great. For the record, I use an Ipod and it sounds great, just watch your volume and your eq settings. FAST
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The wire codes are as follows:
1 = Right Channel +
2 = Left Channel +
3 = Common Audio -
4 = Plug sense
So, just to confirm, for the wires from the Radio Shack cord, it looks like it goes:
Red to 1
White to 2
Black to 3
Correct?
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So, just to confirm, for the wires from the Radio Shack cord, it looks like it goes:
Red to 1
White to 2
Black to 3
Correct?
Brian;
The RS cord I have uses different colors. Its best to use a volt ohm meter to see what is what. The tip of the 1/8" plug is left +, the center is right +, and the section closest to the plug is common -
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I soldered my wires directly to the board & used a 1/8" panel jack (looks exactly like the one in the front). Then installed it in a hole I drilled in the back of the case. Looks like it came that way from the factory!
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Sheeeeit!
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Sheeeeit!
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No, just got the covers off and then went into a state of shock that I haven't recovered from yet. [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] Gotta run up to RS now and see if I wanna use the cord like you did or a jack like Bungy was talking about.
D@mn, may have to get a new soldering iron with a smaller tip and smaller dia. solder, too. Used to mess around with electronic stuff all the time when I was a kid, but I'm sure it wasn't this miniature then.
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Hey, Jim, I got everything soldered up tonight and powered it up to see if it worked . . . . . . it DID! [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
Thanks for the post on what was left +, right + and common -. That really helped since I went with a panel jack on mine. I still need to mount the jack and re-silicone everthing back up, so I'll take a few shot of what I did while I'm doing that in a few days here.
This is a "must do" mod for anyone running a permanent aux. input, such as the Harley MP3 player like I have. Really cleans up the look of the dash not to have a wire runnining into the front of the radio! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Hey, Jim, I got everything soldered up tonight and powered it up to see if it worked . . . . . . it DID! [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
Thanks for the post on what was left +, right + and common -.
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Oh, yeah! $8 15w soldering iron and super-skinny solder from RS. Worth every penny!
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What other uses would you have besides a MP3 player or GPS unit to utlize the input jack?
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Question - have not hooked up my Garmin 2720 on my new '07 yet, but on my '06 when I ran the cable to the radio aux I found that every time I turned the ignition on the radio powered up with the aux input selected even though it was on a different input source when the ignition was turned off. Since I seldom want to listen to the gps this was a glorified aggravation. Just wonder if this is normal on all the radios or just the '06 and up or just the one I had. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
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Got my aux. jack mod. done today and thought I'd post a few pics. I tapped into the connection from the front jack by soldering directly to the pins in the connector itself.
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I ran the wires to the panel jack and soldered them to the appropriate terminals, then drilled a 1/4" hole in the back of the unit for the panel jack to fit into.
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I installed the panel jack immediately below where the antennae jack is.
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View from the rear of the unit:
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View as installed in the bike with the lead from the H-D MP3 player hooked up:
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View of the dash with the aux input selected and the MP3 player happily playing through the "aux-jack-in-the-back." No more wires going into the front of the radio! [smiley=huepfenjump3.gif]
Thanks again, Jim, for all the help!!! [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Question - have not hooked up my Garmin 2720 on my new '07 yet, but on my '06 when I ran the cable to the radio aux I found that every time I turned the ignition on the radio powered up with the aux input selected even though it was on a different input source when the ignition was turned off.
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Thanks for the pix 103. That makes it look a lot easier.
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Nice job, Brian...I want to do this to mine, but would like to see a schematic for the radio first, or maybe Jim will help us out by doing an 06 radio... ;)
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Nice job, Brian...I want to do this to mine, but would like to see a schematic for the radio first, or maybe Jim will help us out by doing an 06 radio... ;)
I'll be happy to, just need a guinea pig....
Good job Brian, [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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Thanks for the pix 103. That makes it look a lot easier.
hard10, you're welcome, but keep in mind this is the '04/'05 SEEG radio manufactured by Radio Sound. The '06 & up Harmon Kardon unit will be different and no one here has done of those yet, at least not to my knowledge. (Hint, hint: Terry, send your radio to Jim! ;) )
On your earlier question about what other uses besides MP3 or GPS, I guess those two are about it, but if you run a permanent hookup for either of those accessories, it is nice to have the wiring hidden behind the fairing. [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif]
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hard10, you're welcome, but keep in mind this is the '04/'05 SEEG radio manufactured by Radio Sound.
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What is everyone using to take the 3/16" allen screws out of the radio?
My CD changer will not load a CD.. I got the radio out with a 3/16" L shaped allen wrench and finally borrowed a 3/16" long allen socket for the last one. The long allen does not fit the screw heads very well. Will a long allen socket with a "ball" style end work better or can I make do with a long regular allen?
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I was just talking to TCnBham about those four screws the other night on the phone. In yet another case of "WTF were they thinking?" those have got to be the four hardest SOBs to get to on the whole bike! >:( This was the second time I've had my radio out and it was no easier this time around. I use an allen wrench out of my nut driver set with the box end of a 1/4" wrench slipped over the end.
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What is everyone using to take the 3/16" allen screws out of the radio?
My CD changer will not load a CD..
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Pete-
Mine won't take a CD, no sounds or attempts to do so. I have 2 months left on my warranty. I took the radio out today and will call a couple of dealers and see if they will send in for repair/replacement for me. They may not want to since I took it out. Radio Sound makes the radio (Louisville, Ky) and from their website will fix it for $135.00 .. Will also call them tomorrow and see what they say on turn around time.
Brian 103-Thanks for the response on your removal tools. Hard enough taking out, probably harder putting back in.
Even though I don't have an input at this time, I probably will do HD-dudes rear input before reinstalling. Every time I think I won't have to take the fairing off for a while, something else happens.
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You guys are nuts messing around with all that stuff inside the fairing. Way too much crap inside there to be messing with or screwing around adding anything else too. Just leave it all alone, like mine!
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You guys are nuts messing around with all that stuff inside the fairing.
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BEEEER SPEW
Well you got the first letters of each word right..... BS!!!! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Well you got the first letters of each word right..... BS!!!! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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[smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
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This can be a rude place sometimes.
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Refresh our memories . . . . . . . . . . . what is all that chit in there?!? [smiley=nixweiss.gif] [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
(http://flhrsei.org/yabb2/Attachments/speaker_05.JPG)
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Refresh our memories . . . . . . . . . . . what is all that chit in there?!?
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What is everyone using to take the 3/16" allen screws out of the radio?
My CD changer will not load a CD..
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Thanks Bungy.
Snap-on has a 3/8" drive long 3/16" ball end hex for $21.00.. Found a 3/16" long "L" shaped ballend for $1.70 at NAPA (part# SER59316)..
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Refresh our memories . . . . . . . . . . . what is all that chit in there?!?
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What is everyone using to take the 3/16" allen screws out of the radio?
My CD changer will not load a CD..
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Oh chit, now you'll only get half the stations, not play the front half of any CD and only be able to transmit on CB.
After two attempts, of course dropping the damn screw each time, four or five choice words, and an impossible angle, I said "FI"...it's over-engineered...
It's coming back out tomorrow to go visit Jim anyway...If I can't go to California, at least my HK can... ;)
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Thanks TC for the response that the "L" shaped ball allen would work and that's what I bought. For any repair I have done on this bike, I normally spend more time looking for dropped fasteners than doing the project. I also have bought more specialty wrenches like others have as well. Now all I need is a radio to put back in. Radio Sound was closed today and might be all week.
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After two attempts, of course dropping the damn screw each time, four or five choice words, and an impossible angle, I said "FI"...it's over-engineered...
It's coming back out tomorrow to go visit Jim anyway...If I can't go to California, at least my HK can... ;)
Terry, it's been long enough since my radio was R&R that I really don't remember how much of an angle there was to accessibility of those screws. Really don't remember them being such a major bother though. I've got some long allen wrenches with the universal angled head so that must've helped. But don't remember fighting it that bad. Hopefully won't have to revisit the experience though. Satisfied with it right where it is!
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Bought a whole set of 6" ball end allen 3/8" sockets made by S&S Tools for about $25 off Ebay. They make this and many other jobs alot easier.
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Just got back from screwing all four of mine in. Probably shouldn't have even jacked with the front two since the one on the starboard side is apparently stripped. >:( Got it all the way in, but it would not snug down. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
Oh, well. Got one more in than Terry! [smiley=huepfenlol2.gif]
Hopefully, it will come back out OK if need be sometime. [smiley=nervous.gif]
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Got my radio back from Radio Sound with a new CD changer.
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Hey, Boatman, that sounds like a good way to do it, too! When I was looking at stuff at the Radio Shack here, all they had were the beige 1/8" stereo cords, as well. [smiley=nixweiss.gif]
Please post the part number of the grommet. I might need to get one to replace that messed up one of mine sometime.
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Brian 103-
The part# of the grommet is 76131-98 and the allen screw is part# 2941..
I can't believe none of our local dealers stock the grommet as I know we aren't the first ones to crossthread. They did have the screws in stock so their tech's most drop them too.
When I was doing the radio input mod, I kept looking at your solder job, kept looking at my plug, and said nice job [smiley=xyxthumbs.gif].. I couldn't do it. Even asked Radio Sound to do it but they said "we don't modify the radios in any way".
Bob
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Thanks for the part number. I think the screws are pretty standard issue, so they're probably used elsewhere, too. Still can't believe I cross-threaded that one of mine, though, since I threaded it most of the way in by hand. Seemed to go just fine. Guess I'll have to get one of those t-handled jobbies that hd-dude was telling us about and then try to take it out and see what's up sometime. 'Til then, I guess three will hold it fine.
On the solder job and using the connector, I figured that would maybe be the best since (DAYUM!!!) those wires are small in there. I was too skeered that after I cut the wire I'd never be able to get it stripped, spliced and soldered back up again. I think there has been 3 or 4 ways everyone has done this now and, luckily, the radio doesn't seem to care!
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I reinstalled my radio tonight with the 2 new insert threaded grommets (one was lost when radio sent to Radio Sound for repair and I cross threaded one).
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I reinstalled my radio tonight with the 2 new insert threaded grommets (one was lost when radio sent to Radio Sound for repair and I cross threaded one).
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Have bought 3 1/8" stereo jacks and all of them have 2 wires and one stranded ground that wraps around the other 2 wires. Is this how all the wires are or is there a different wire out there.
1 Will there be any problem using this wire and solder a ground wire to the stranded one?
2 How do you determine which of the other 2 wires are which? or does it matter?
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Have bought 3 1/8" stereo jacks and all of them have 2 wires and one stranded ground that wraps around the other 2 wires. Is this how all the wires are or is there a different wire out there.
1 Will there be any problem using this wire and solder a ground wire to the stranded one?
2 How do you determine which of the other 2 wires are which? or does it matter?
Not all are like that but they will work fine with the overall ground (shield). Use the overall as your ground connection and you'll have to use a volt ohm meter to determine the left and right color codes of the jacks and cables. The tip is left, the center section is right and the portion closest to the plug is the ground.
If you need more help i'll PM you my number and walk you through it over the phone.
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I did it :soapbox: :soapbox: :soapbox: that is how much a pain in the azz it is to mess with those little wires.
Thanks Jim and Don for your help. Couldn't have done it without your help :xyxthumbs: :xyxthumbs:
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With this mod, doe the CD player still function? And will the front jack still work as well as the back jack, seperately of course? Thanks Scot
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With this mod, doe the CD player still function? And will the front jack still work as well as the back jack, seperately of course? Thanks Scot
Yes the CD player still works and the front jack works as well as the added one. Just don't use both inputs at the same time.
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How useful is this. Thank you very much for sharing these instructions.
The MP3 player arrived at Preston HD today. The service manager says there is a jack plug on the end of the lead. He's ripping the radio out so that one of my techmen at work can parallel off another jack socket in the rear of the stereo casing.
Did someone say that the storage card comes with a few tracks on it for easy testing?
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Did someone say that the storage card comes with a few tracks on it for easy testing?
Not me. :huepfenlol2: Card should be blank (or at least mine was). :nixweiss:
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103,
Did you wire the player internally through the handlebars?
Regards
Tony
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103,
Did you wire the player internally through the handlebars?
Regards
Tony
I did, with the 575's :2vrolijk_21: You'll need to drill a hole in the bars for the wire though..
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I did, with the 575's :2vrolijk_21: You'll need to drill a hole in the bars for the wire though..
Hey Dude,
Why would your 575 cams mean no need to drill the bars?
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Hey Dude,
Why would your 575 cams mean no need to drill the bars?
Ok, now I have this twisted image in my head of a set of Wild One 575 handlebars sticking out the side of a Twin Cam :huepfenlol2: .
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Hey Dude,
Why would your 575 cams mean no need to drill the bars?
575 bars...not cams
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Ok, now I have this twisted image in my head of a set of Wild One 575 handlebars sticking out the side of a Twin Cam :huepfenlol2: .
Even worse what about the cams hanging off the bars with an MP3 player attached :huepfenlol2:
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Even worse what about the cams hanging off the bars with an MP3 player attached :huepfenlol2:
Y'know what Jim. I'm perfectly willing to get a bit creative when necessary to make something work. But I just ain't gonna wire that mess up. Nope, nada, not gonnna do it ??? !
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Has any one added a aux input to an 07? From what I can tell the mods where for an 06. Was there any change to the inside of the 07 radios?
Marc
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Has any one added a aux input to an 07? From what I can tell the mods where for an 06. Was there any change to the inside of the 07 radios?
Marc
Welcome to the board, Marc!
Actually, this thread (the one you're in right now) details the mod for the '04 & '05 Radio Sound manufacuterd radios.
This thread: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=10044.0 shows how to do the '06 and up Harmon Kardon radios. I think only one guy here ("hd-dude") has done this mod on the HK radio. After you read that thread I think you see why . . . . the HK radio is somewhat trickier to work on.
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Welcome to the board, Marc!
Actually, this thread (the one you're in right now) details the mod for the '04 & '05 Radio Sound manufacuterd radios.
This thread: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=10044.0 shows how to do the '06 and up Harmon Kardon radios. I think only one guy here ("hd-dude") has done this mod on the HK radio. After you read that thread I think you see why . . . . the HK radio is somewhat trickier to work on.
Thanks for the info
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Has anyone done this mod on the 2002 and older radios with the cassette deck? I'm guessing it might be similar, but was wondering if anyone knows for sure.
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hd-dude, I wanted to drop you a line an thank you very miuch for your valuable information.
Today I took my setup a step further and modified the audio AUX input on the HD radio per your instructions.
I originally had a Delphi FM modulator and I removed it and added an AUX input to the back of the HD radio.
I did this for a bunch of reasons better sound quality, no components to fail, interference on FM stations, no wiring etc.
Without your instructions I would not have even thought about doing this. It took less than 20 minutes. Boy am I glad I did it!
It sounds GREAT!
Here is my current setup. http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=20405.msg327462#msg327462
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hd-dude, I wanted to drop you a line an thank you very miuch for your valuable information.
Today I took my setup a step further and modified the audio AUX input on the HD radio per your instructions.
I originally had a Delphi FM modulator and I removed it and added an AUX input to the back of the HD radio.
I did this for a bunch of reasons better sound quality, no components to fail, interference on FM stations, no wiring etc.
Without your instructions I would not have even thought about doing this. It took less than 20 minutes. Boy am I glad I did it!
It sounds GREAT!
Here is my current setup. http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=20405.msg327462#msg327462
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Congrats on getting it done. Glad it woprked out for you. :2vrolijk_21:
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Will these instructions work for a 2001 Harley Ultra Classic using the Garmin 2720.
Thanks,
Geolec
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No, those instructions are for the newer HK radios. I'm not sure what model radio you have, but if it's an older Radio Sound use this: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=7674.0
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Somone asked me today for information about the panel jack I used. I used this one from Radio Shack: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103452&cp=&sr=1&origkw=panel+jack&kw=panel+jack&parentPage=search
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No, those instructions are for the newer HK radios. I'm not sure what model radio you have, but if it's an older Radio Sound use this: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=7674.0
That's THIS THREAD. ;D
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Somone asked me today for information about the panel jack I used. I used this one from Radio Shack: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103452&cp=&sr=1&origkw=panel+jack&kw=panel+jack&parentPage=search
Brian, thanks for that part number
Have to install one in the new Cherry
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well i got the aux jack on my 04 radio all remoted to the back today... did it just the way Jim explaned and it went like a dream,,, so easy and it works great. Thanks Jim for the great help, and yes i do love looking down and not seeing that goofy cable feeding into the radio from my Ipod Nano. The Riders Claw works great and Ken has revised those also to make them more user friendly too. Thanks again. Those instructions were fantastic..
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The right side speaker will not play with my ipod. radio will play as well as the cd (which skips all the time) tryed different cords. I think it is in my jack. can i fix this. loose wire! broke wire! any alturnatives? i love my ipod..................need help...........
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get out some basic hand tools and a soldering iron..... you can do this!!! i know it! move it to the rear and be happy like the rest of us who took the plunge.
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Aux Jack probably just has a loose solder connection, Moving it to the back is a good option, but if you just want to fix it...not that hard. CD skipping is a bit more involves because there are a number of possibilities, but it is repairable. What year is the bike and has the radio ever been replaced?
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Will these "How To" instructions work for a 2008 HK on my CYO?
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Will these "How To" instructions work for a 2008 HK on my CYO?
No, this thread is for the 03-05 radios. This thread: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=10044.0 is for the 06-up radios....
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Thanks Jim, I appreciate the response.