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CVO Technical => General CVO discussion => Topic started by: scottt on April 08, 2008, 07:16:21 PM
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Sunday I went for a ride on my 2007 SEUC, Love spring time . I stopped at my favorite Harley Dealer, in the foothills of California. The sales manager told me to expect big changes in the 2009 line-up, he did not know specifics, but has heard big changes are coming. I guess we will see if he is right.
Scott
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Sunday I went for a ride on my 2007 SEUC, Love spring time . I stopped at my favorite Harley Dealer, in the foothills of California. The sales manager told me to expect big changes in the 2009 line-up, he did not know specifics, but has heard big changes are coming. I guess we will see if he is right.
Scott
I would bet the farm that we've seen the last of these 110's! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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I would bet the farm that we've seen the last of these 110's! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Of course you would Howie, you live in Flushing Meadows
How big is a FM Farm these days Howie 3,000ft2 or maybe as much as 5,000ft2
Fugedaboutit
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Of course you would Howie, you live in Flushing Meadows
How big is a FM Farm these days Howie 3,000ft2 or maybe as much as 5,000ft2
Fugedaboutit
B B
What are you kidding? Not MY Farm!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hoist! 8)
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What are you kidding? Not MY Farm!!! ;D ;D ;D
Hoist! 8)
By the look of your avatar, I would worry about your farm. ;D
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Wouldn't a big change be a 110 that didn't leak? :nixweiss:
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Wouldn't a big change be a 110 that didn't leak? :nixweiss:
No, that would be just this side of a miracle. :-X
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I was by Bumpus this weekend, they were doing the demo days and had the usual 08 line up there. I asked one of the MoCo guys if he could give me a hint on what might be in the 09 CVO line up and the only information I got out of him was------------------------------------Howie's right, the 110 is toast. I asked if that meant the 103 would be back, he said he'd already said more than he should and ran away. :nixweiss:
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i'm making the call 113" CVO's for 2009
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i'm making the call 113" CVO's for 2009
Are the ones from the MoCo street/EPA legal?
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Cool, another experimental motor hitting the streets for testing in the CVO lineup. :-\
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Are the ones from the MoCo street/EPA legal?
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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sure if you lean em out enough
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sure if you lean em out enough
:oops: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Too bad they can't put a street legal (read EPA) version of the JIMS 131 in the CVO.
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but a 113" should eliminate the cylinder liner and gasket issues
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Well, I just won a Farm! I'll bet both Farms on the beginning of the WC Touring Bike Era! ;)
BTW, they sold the cow and the farm died! It was a very sad story indeed! ??? ;D
Hoist! 8)
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Are the ones from the MoCo street/EPA legal?
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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The only "113" is a list of parts from the Screamin Eagle Catalogue. Assembled, they sure as hell don't meet any EPA, CARB or whatever regs. So what we're likely to see is anybody's guess, but I doubt it'll be a 113.
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cant a guy dream
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A 113" without the need for the drip pan would keep CVO sales up though. Then they could offer a repair to the 07/08's as an upgrade as in the IDS. The sneaky devils.
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I think Howie may have it, it's a freakin' WC................
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More like this Rog! ;)
Heated ass washer! :o
http://www.totousa.com/washlet_features.asp
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but a 113" should eliminate the cylinder liner and gasket issues
Yes indeed. Now, how about that piece of Chinese crap they call a crankshaft? :nixweiss:
Jerry
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...going to be a liquid cooled SERG, 200 hp out of the box with a ten speed tranny with two reverse. Hey, you can only hope. Doc
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A 113" without the need for the drip pan would keep CVO sales up though. Then they could offer a repair to the 07/08's as an upgrade as in the IDS. The sneaky devils.
Methinks your idea fulfills one true burning desire of the MoCo - encouraging us to spend more moola on our bikes to fix problems that they engineered in a way to get us to eventually spend more money on our bikes.
Seats, bars, windshields, etc, etc. If your idea is the "new" 09 CVO 113, just add engine to the list.
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My bet is Howie's right. We're going water cooled. And not the V-Rod engine either, but a new design. I'm guessing next year you'll get a choice of air cooled 96" or water cooled to be released as a mid year model like the cross-bones. And no CVO touring bike next year as they get ready to do a water-cooled CVO for '10.
Of course this is all a guess, but if I'm right I can pretend I know what I'm talking about! :P
Ride Safe,
J-Carr
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The big news will be the elimination of domestic manufacturing and assembly, with the entire operation being moved to China. Since they've done so well with the components they've sourced over there so far, why not the entire bike? With the huge savings in parts and labor, the executives will be able to increase their compensation packages significantly even while selling fewer vehicles.
Jerry
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My bet is Howie's right. We're going water cooled. And not the V-Rod engine either, but a new design. I'm guessing next year you'll get a choice of air cooled 96" or water cooled to be released as a mid year model like the cross-bones. And no CVO touring bike next year as they get ready to do a water-cooled CVO for '10.
Of course this is all a guess, but if I'm right I can pretend I know what I'm talking about! :P
Ride Safe,
J-Carr
That could be the new logo if it's a carp and made in China.
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The big news will be the elimination of domestic manufacturing and assembly, with the entire operation being moved to China. Since they've done so well with the components they've sourced over there so far, why not the entire bike? With the huge savings in parts and labor, the executives will be able to increase their compensation packages significantly even while selling fewer vehicles.
Jerry
I'll bet that Jerry's really a MoCo "plant" here! Nobody can be that cynical all the time. He disguising himself this way so we don't catch on that he's the HD watchdog here. Yeah, that's the ticket! :nixweiss: ;D
Jerry, I love your spin on things. Don't ever change man! :2vrolijk_21:
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I'll bet that Jerry's really a MoCo "plant" here! Nobody can be that cynical all the time. He disguising himself this way so we don't catch on that he's the HD watchdog here. Yeah, that's the ticket! :nixweiss: ;D
Jerry, I love your spin on things. Don't ever change man! :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
Mmmm, Grc does bare a resemblance to ........................ :nixweiss:
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I have a 113 S&S super sidewinder in a 97 fatboy and it has been trouble free and leak free for 16k miles. Running Mobil I V-Twin synthetic for the life of it.
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Water cooled Servicar. With new SE combination radiator/seat. Will be marketed as a butt warmer.
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I'm putting my money on water cooled models other than the V-Rod. Possibly a touring model. I hope they base the new engine on the V-Rod Revolution as it is an awesome trouble free engine. Takes a licking and keeps on ticking. If the Moco can't build a decent 110" motor I doubt they can build a reliable 113". I think we can kiss the air cooled engines good-bye in the near future.
Regards, Chris :bananarock:
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Why would the MoCo not continue with the current 110" motor? -By their own admission, they have been completely trouble free! -Stone reliable! ;)
As has been pointed out, anybody on this site who claims to have a problem is just making it up! :bananarock:
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I think I predicted this awhile back.....new 1800cc, water-cooled, touring line-up
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Despite all the water cooled rumors & tales of radiators to come, figure the MoCo will ride the air cooled motor as long as they can. Bet they have some air cooled bikes for the foreseeable future. A water cooled full dresser is not out of the question though. Not sure when, more likely if. The best rumor on that one I have heard is:
radiators in the lowers.
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radiators in the lowers.
Oh yeah, gonna feel good sitting right behind that :bananarock: !
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Oh yeah, gonna feel good sitting right behind that :bananarock: !
Engineering marvels, like the hot hot hot 110 engine that baked my thighs on it's first real trip are a wonder to behold. Then I got heat shields & a re-tune & it ain't as hot as it was. Plus I got rid of some extra money that had been taking up space in my bank account. An engineering win-win for HD.
Be thankful they have not considered putting the radiator on the handlebars in our field of vision. Yet. :pepper:
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Engineering marvels, like the hot hot hot 110 engine that baked my thighs on it's first real trip are a wonder to behold. Then I got heat shields & a re-tune & it ain't as hot as it was. Plus I got rid of some extra money that had been taking up space in my bank account. An engineering win-win for HD.
Be thankful they have not considered putting the radiator on the handlebars in our field of vision. Yet. :pepper:
65853-09 Screamin Eagle Vortex Vision Handlebar Mounted Radiator.
With a circle in the middle to see through.... ???
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2Lane-
I sure hope the MOCO doesn't read this site as we don't have a chance in getting in the CVO side of the plant on the 25th.. :cherry:
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2Lane-
I sure hope the MOCO doesn't read this site as we don't have a chance in getting in the CVO side of the plant on the 25th.. :cherry:
They read it. They use it as a proof to their theorem that otherwise intelligent people will still keep right on buying their crap and putting up with them even when those people should know better or be frustrated to the point of felonious response. We're the mice in the maze. We just don't realize it most of the time.
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65853-09 Screamin Eagle Vortex Vision Handlebar Mounted Radiator.
With a circle in the middle to see through.... ???
;D ;D ;D
Most likely.
Will leak for the first 3 years uncontrollably & HD SE Syn H2O radiator fluid (only approved fluid for the SE Vortex until MoCo lawyers find out the same thing applies to radiators as crankcases) will only cost $24.97 a quart.
A special gasket will be invented in 2012 to fix the leak, according to my inside info. :huepfenjump3:
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;D ;D ;D
Most likely.
Will leak for the first 3 years uncontrollably & HD SE Syn H2O radiator fluid (only approved fluid for the SE Vortex until MoCo lawyers find out the same thing applies to radiators as crankcases) will only cost $24.97 a quart.
A special gasket will be invented in 2012 to fix the leak, according to my inside info. :huepfenjump3:
Gasket in 12.
Proper adhesive in 14.
"A" version to match gasket material to new adhesive in 15.
Bikes reliably in service 2017 after a fleet wide recall.
Ok, recall from Harley on known failing parts? Now we know for sure it's fiction.
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Gasket in 12.
Proper adhesive in 14.
"A" version to match gasket material to new adhesive in 15.
Bikes reliably in service 2017 after a fleet wide recall.
Ok, recall from Harley on known failing parts? Now we know for sure it's fiction.
My "inside source" has told me that Harley will come out with an engine to fix the leak....oh wait, there's no leaking problems with the 110s. ::)
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Gasket in 12.
Proper adhesive in 14.
"A" version to match gasket material to new adhesive in 15.
Bikes reliably in service 2017 after a fleet wide recall.
Ok, recall from Harley on known failing parts? Now we know for sure it's fiction.
Sad but possibly true. Recall line would have been a spew if I had been drinking anything. :2vrolijk_21:
Read your post on us being like mice in a maze. If you see ANYTHING that looks like a human Habitrail when you tour York, run the other direction.
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My "inside source" has told me that Harley will come out with an engine to fix the leak....oh wait, there's no leaking problems with the 110s. ::)
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The inside source anymore on the 110s is unfortunately the hamster on the wheel inside the cases. And he's got the runs.
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If you see ANYTHING that looks like a human Habitrail when you tour York, run the other direction.
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Also rumored in 2009 the HD Parts & Accessories Catalogs will have a new line of oil drip pans color co-ordinated in a variety of CVO color patterns to match the bikes they are supposed to be placed under.
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Also rumored in 2009 the HD Parts & Accessories Catalogs will have a new line of oil drip pans color co-ordinated in a variety of CVO color patterns to match the bikes they are supposed to be placed under.
Oh great. Another "bad paint" fiasco....
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(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/157/434469596_9fecc4b106_m.jpg)
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I'm am predicting a stretched out frame painted to match the color of the bike on all models...black frames only on black bikes. Also reliable, water cooled engines on all models that still sound like a Harley when an aftermarket exhaust is installed. Since all of the bikes will have a painted frame to match the color of the bike, and because of the problems with the 110 engines, there will not be any of the traditional CVO models in 2009. Harley and Lehman trikes will be the only CVO bikes for 2009. There you have it, the cat is out of the bag...you heard it first here on the CVOHarley forum.
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MoCo is proud to present the CVO Chinese Vechicle Operation for 2009
Along with your purchase you recieve 1 year supply of long grain rice.
A Manual made of Rice paper.
5 year membership with AAA or until trade in.
Large bottle of Tylenol.
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For 09 they will have water cool heads only.
Other change will be in the frame. The side covers will be changed to hold the ABS and the Fuse box better than now.
The rear of the frame will get a little wide to better package all the new stuff.
Dean Nelson
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And Here it Is !
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Remember those EPA test documents that were floating around awhile back indicating Harley was submitting 1800 and 2400 CC engines for testing. Who really know eh?? Might not be a bad thing.
Moe
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Invisible radiators built into your windshields! ::) ;D
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Oh yeah, gonna feel good sitting right behind that :bananarock: !
Yeah but Don at least you'll have hot water available to wash off the oil when the dipstick launches itself into the atmosphere. :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :huepfenlol2:
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It doesn't matter what the 2009 line-up consists of, I'm not buying any more new bikes.
I've got a list of used CVO bikes a foot long I want that I have to deal with 1st
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Remember those EPA test documents that were floating around awhile back indicating Harley was submitting 1800 and 2400 CC engines for testing. Who really know eh?? Might not be a bad thing.
Moe
Isn't the 110 an 1800??
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On April 1st, I was talking to someone who was taking lots of pictures in and around one of the MoCo plants. Seems like they were bringing in large shipments of huge NiCad rechargeable batteries and electric motors in granite and chrome. So much for the good news, apparently all the shipping containers had China shipping on them. I'm just sayin.
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Isn't the 110 an 1800??
Give that man a Ceegar
Good to see you're still around Robmay :2vrolijk_21:
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Harley-Davidson management has finally become tired of being on the trailing edge of technology and has decreed that the new models will leapfrog all other brands. Not only will the powertrains be totally new, they will be "green" and virtually emissions free. The electric motor will be a "plug in" version as opposed to the hybrid gas/electric auto systems. All models will now include a stereo system, and a CD of traditional Harley engine and exhaust sounds will be provided at no extra charge. A Screamin' Eagle Stage 1 CD and high powered speakers will be an extra cost option.
The range of the prototypes has been a little disappointing for the touring crowd, but H-D has announced plans to address this with the 2009.5 introduction of a trailer with additional battery packs which will triple the range on a single charge. Pricing for the optional trailer/battery pack has not been announced, pending the company's efforts to determine just how much the fools faithful will be willing to spend on this essential upgrade.
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Additionally, they will be building a new "ecofuel" bike that has a twin squirrel-cage motor. the squirrels will be eqipped with catalytic converters so their output will be lowered to an acceptable level. Acorns will be pumped into the engine manually by small chinese people approximately 8" tall inside the "fuel distribution box". Further proof that you would have to be "nuts" to ride the thing...
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Invisible radiators built into your windshields! ::) ;D
Hoist! 8)
Do you have the part number for the invisible radiator fluid? That HD SE Syn H20 stuff?
Trike deal not happening for the mid summer 09 MoCo intro. They have some stuff to work out first - maybe later in 09.
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Do you have the part number for the invisible radiator fluid? That HD SE Syn H20 stuff?
Trike deal not happening for the mid summer 09 MoCo intro. They have some stuff to work out first - maybe later in 09.
The part number is #
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The part number is #
Thanks.
Next the MoCo plans to invent an invisible Syn 4 oil, so nobody can tell when their 110 head gaskets are leaking.
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Thanks.
Next the MoCo plans to invent an invisible Syn 4 oil, so nobody can tell when their 110 head gaskets are leaking.
Now that I believe
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Thanks.
Next the MoCo plans to invent an invisible Syn 4 oil, so nobody can tell when their 110 head gaskets are leaking.
Yep, that's what I heard too...the 4 means, crankcase, tranny, primary, and floor. :P
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Yep, that's what I heard too...the 4 means, crankcase, tranny, primary, and floor. :P
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;D ;D ;D ;D
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this is top secret, but here it is.
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this is top secret, but here it is.
I'm not ridin' that unless they move the batteries. When those puppies start leakin' (and you know they will) no telling what chrome would start peelin' :vrolijk27:
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this is top secret, but here it is.
Gas tooooo high! I'll take one :-\
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Give that man a Ceegar
Good to see you're still around Robmay :2vrolijk_21:
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I'm still here ole buddy!! Just don't chime in as often as I used to. :P
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Sunday I went for a ride on my 2007 SEUC, Love spring time . I stopped at my favorite Harley Dealer, in the foothills of California. The sales manager told me to expect big changes in the 2009 line-up, he did not know specifics, but has heard big changes are coming. I guess we will see if he is right.
Scott
Screamin Eagle Street Gilde 'for 09>>>>Good friend of mine says he saw the memo>> he asked that I not mention anymore,,,Don't if it's bullchit or birthdaycake>>>>We'll see....Greg
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The big news will be the elimination of domestic manufacturing and assembly, with the entire operation being moved to China. Since they've done so well with the components they've sourced over there so far, why not the entire bike? With the huge savings in parts and labor, the executives will be able to increase their compensation packages significantly even while selling fewer vehicles.
Jerry
and that's right before Willie G & the board shorts all the stock they own>>>
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Screamin Eagle Street Gilde 'for 09>>>>Good friend of mine says he saw the memo>> he asked that I not mention anymore,,,Don't if it's bullchit or birthdaycake>>>>We'll see....Greg
But no Servicar? damnnnn...... :-\
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Water cooled Servicar. With new SE combination radiator/seat. Will be marketed as a butt warmer.
I agree with 2lane -- I'd have PLENTY of cargo room with it as so as I attach my bushtec to it.....
Mark
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I read that the baggers are to be called FLH20
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I read that the baggers are to be called FLH20
SPEW!!! That's a good one Van! ;D :2vrolijk_21:
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Man, you guys have me roarin' with laughter! Great stuff. My predictions for 09 CVO's - bigger blocks, tight cylinder liners, tight head gaskets, 4 valves per jug, liquid-and-air-cooled, more HP, more torque, and fewer problems. My fantasies/suggestions - medium block V4's and small block V8's, putting out 150-200 HP and 150-200 lbs. of torque. 8)
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my stealer told me that , he heard that a cvo road glide with a 240 rear tire was in the works
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Every year it is the same thing. Wonder what the next year will bring?
I may have a real hard time keeping my husband for seeing the green grass on the other side of the fence if they bring out a 113. He really liked the 08s all colors. I had to keep beating him back from them. And he still wants to get the 04 SEEG in OnB ..... long list of wants and short list of $$$$$. But, I - for 1. Am very happy with my 05 SEEG. Still low mileage, still works great for what I want it to do and I don't have to trade for the unknown.
That is just me, of course. I will sit here and watch all the folks that just have to get the new stuff. I am not wishing bad, no, not at all. Just think that BB's on course. If I had the inkling and the funds, there are a lot of proven CVO models to pursue before the new.
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Am I dreaming, or did I hear that the Detonator wheels were being re-introduced for CVOs, but without chrome?
No, no, wait, I'm serious!
My front Detonator is already trying to change over to the new style! How cool is that?! My dealer is happy for me. :beatdeadhorse: :sauer021: :sauer005: :sauer052:
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I don't feel that Harley will be able to lean out the engines any more
without significant melt down. So how do you meet EPA regulations?
Water-cooling is the only way I see to fix the problem. The MoCo has
probably been working on this since late 2006 when they figured out
the new engines were going to be a problem. I hope they have a good
fix or a lot of people will be angry. We choose to ride these bikes
because they are Harley Davidson's. If they screw around with us long
enough, even the faithful will jump ship. There are a lot of bikes out there
for less money that are engineered and assembled much better. I love
my bike, I just wish they were all better made. Just my 2 cents.:soapbox:
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What's really odd about the whole thing is there are many aftermarket 45 degree high horsepower/torque V-twin motors that are made that meet EPA requirements. :confused5:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Isn't the 110 an 1800??
RM,
Yep, and Honda came out with a reliable one in "02" on the VTX1800.
Vag
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The Victory's are 100" and 106" and run fine.
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The Victory's are 100" and 106" and run fine.
If you want a crankshaft engine, maybe. ???
I'll keep my single crankpin design, and deal with it! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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If you want a crankshaft engine, maybe. ???
I'll keep my single crankpin design, and deal with it! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Agreed. :2vrolijk_21:
As I stated earlier there are several aftermarket company's producing 45 degree, air cooled, single crankpin, high HP/TQ motors that are meeting EPA standards. If we are going to compare... compare apples to apples. :nixweiss: Honda's and Victory's are nice, but they aren't the same.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Agreed. :2vrolijk_21:
As I stated earlier there are several aftermarket company's producing 45 degree, air cooled, single crankpin, high HP/TQ motors that are meeting EPA standards. If we are going to compare... compare apples to apples. :nixweiss: Honda's and Victory's are nice, but they aren't the same.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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For instance, S&S has an EPA certified big-bore v-twin. Can they do it because the restrictions are less for component manufacturers, or those that don't make large quantities? :nixweiss:
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For instance, S&S has an EPA certified big-bore v-twin. Can they do it because the restrictions are less for component manufacturers, or those that don't make large quantities? :nixweiss:
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this is just me talking.... but i thought restrictions requirements for EPA were across the board for a particular weight class of vehicle. but hey it wouldn't be the first time that the government made a rule that didn't seem straight forward and legit, I guess it all comes down to who's hand was in who back pocket the day the law was signed
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I don't feel that Harley will be able to lean out the engines any more
without significant melt down. So how do you meet EPA regulations?
Water-cooling is the only way I see to fix the problem. The MoCo has
probably been working on this since late 2006 when they figured out
the new engines were going to be a problem. I hope they have a good
fix or a lot of people will be angry. We choose to ride these bikes
because they are Harley Davidson's. If they screw around with us long
enough, even the faithful will jump ship. There are a lot of bikes out there
for less money that are engineered and assembled much better. I love
my bike, I just wish they were all better made. Just my 2 cents.:soapbox:
Leaning them out beyond the current 14.7:1 wouldn't help anyway. The next step in emissions control will be the use of more and better catalytic converters, similar to the systems in cars & trucks. And BTW, the motorcycle emission regs are still much less stringent than those for cars and light trucks.
If H-D wants to keep the traditional (obsolete) design, there are ways they can do that. As noted by other members, there are other manufacturers who are meeting the same standards without the major issues. Harley's issues have much more to do with poor choices in sourcing and cost reductions than they do with emission controls. They need to address poor crankshaft quality and design, and if they want to sell 110 engines they need to trash their current overbored cylinders and bring out parts designed specifically for the job, like the 113 parts. Additional efforts need to be made to cool the rear cylinder, perhaps through additional oil flow or air flow ducting, or both. Without inventing any new technology it should be possible to provide a reasonably reliable air cooled V-twin that meets current and upcoming emissions regulations. All it will take is intelligent engineering and the commitment from management to provide the resources necessary to do the job. In other words, quit cheapening the crap out of the drivetrain, and let the engineers do what they know is right.
Yes, there are plenty of bikes out there that are more powerful, more reliable, and less expensive than a Harley. Unfortunately, that has always been the case for as far back as I can remember. IMHO, this is not only an indictment of Harley management, but of the owner's as well. For some reason, the same folks who would never buy another XYZ brand car or other product because they had a problem with one 10 years ago, will buy one defective Harley after another. As long as that continues, we can't place all the blame on H-D.
Jerry
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I don't feel that Harley will be able to lean out the engines any more
without significant melt down. So how do you meet EPA regulations?
Water-cooling is the only way I see to fix the problem. The MoCo has
probably been working on this since late 2006 when they figured out
the new engines were going to be a problem. I hope they have a good
fix or a lot of people will be angry. We choose to ride these bikes
because they are Harley Davidson's. If they screw around with us long
enough, even the faithful will jump ship. There are a lot of bikes out there
for less money that are engineered and assembled much better. I love
my bike, I just wish they were all better made. Just my 2 cents.:soapbox:
I may be giving the MoCo to much credit. For all we know they may still be in the
dark on what is going on. I hope they are awake and listening.
Mark
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Leaning them out beyond the current 14.7:1 wouldn't help anyway. The next step in emissions control will be the use of more and better catalytic converters, similar to the systems in cars & trucks. And BTW, the motorcycle emission regs are still much less stringent than those for cars and light trucks.
If H-D wants to keep the traditional (obsolete) design, there are ways they can do that. As noted by other members, there are other manufacturers who are meeting the same standards without the major issues. Harley's issues have much more to do with poor choices in sourcing and cost reductions than they do with emission controls. They need to address poor crankshaft quality and design, and if they want to sell 110 engines they need to trash their current overbored cylinders and bring out parts designed specifically for the job, like the 113 parts. Additional efforts need to be made to cool the rear cylinder, perhaps through additional oil flow or air flow ducting, or both. Without inventing any new technology it should be possible to provide a reasonably reliable air cooled V-twin that meets current and upcoming emissions regulations. All it will take is intelligent engineering and the commitment from management to provide the resources necessary to do the job. In other words, quit cheapening the crap out of the drivetrain, and let the engineers do what they know is right.
Yes, there are plenty of bikes out there that are more powerful, more reliable, and less expensive than a Harley. Unfortunately, that has always been the case for as far back as I can remember. IMHO, this is not only an indictment of Harley management, but of the owner's as well. For some reason, the same folks who would never buy another XYZ brand car or other product because they had a problem with one 10 years ago, will buy one defective Harley after another. As long as that continues, we can't place all the blame on H-D.
Jerry
You are exactly right, but I have not seen them want to go in this direction.
The engineers need to start earning there paycheck and go to work.
And yes we keep buying Harleys, but I would like the next one I buy to be
better than the one I already have.
Mark
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For instance, S&S has an EPA certified big-bore v-twin. Can they do it because the restrictions are less for component manufacturers, or those that don't make large quantities? :nixweiss:
:devil:
There are some volume related "breaks" in the EPA regulations, but I don't believe they apply to the S&S engine program. SVM's (small vehicle manufacturers) get a break on the costs involved in performing the certification tests, estimated to be in the neighborhood of $100k per vehicle for motorcycles. By using a certified engine from a supplier like S&S, TPI, etc., the small manufacturers do not have to separately certify their complete bikes. I can't remember what the volume cutoff is to be considered a SVM, but the number 3000 sticks in my head.
Jerry
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You are exactly right, but I have not seen them want to go in this direction.
The engineers need to start earning there paycheck and go to work.
And yes we keep buying Harleys, but I would like the next one I buy to be
better than the one I already have.
Mark
That is the problem with the manufacturer, we the owners will buy from Harley because it is a "Harley" without looking to see if there are reliability problems. A chance of a better Harley? The way their perception is going, we can only Hope. Maybe they will wake up, like the Big Three auto manufactures did, when the market share went to the Asian Rim. GM finally did. Ford is still doing its thing. Chrysler, well time will tell. Like I said, we can only Hope for a better Harley.
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Jerry...I agree with everything you said/say...HD has known for YEARS what EPA regs were in the pipeline and have had PLENTY of time to engineer and design motors to deal with the known upcoming regs. As you well know, the US Automakers got caught with their pants down back in the 70's, because they were relying on past success in the marketplace and brand loyalty. We all know what happened there. Motorcycles are a little different, but HD will NOT be able to rely on blind loyalty for many more years. Change, adapt, or suffer the consequences.
Water cooled heads could be done with little changes to the "look" or sound of the basic engine, and a radiator, cleverly disguised like that on the V would not be objectionable to most buyers...even traditionalists.
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Just in case nobody noticed, the 2008 Buell's have a Revolution motor
B B
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If your speaking of the new 1125R it actually isn't a Revolution, it was built in collaboration w/BRP-Rotax.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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If your speaking of the new 1125R it actually isn't a Revolution, it was built in collaboration w/BRP-Rotax.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
BRP is actually the parent company of many companies that are household names!
Try,
Bombardier
Evinrude
Rotax
Can Am
Spyder
Johnson Outboard
SkiDoo
:2vrolijk_21:
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BRP is actually the parent company of many companies that are household names!
:2vrolijk_21:
Trojan :nixweiss: ?
Just wondering........
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Trojan :nixweiss: ?
Just wondering........
Not yet but maybe soon.
Why?
You looking for something liquid cooled?
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
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BRP is actually the parent company of many companies that are household names!
:2vrolijk_21:
The Buell site describes them as "a premier worldwide recreational engine manufacturer".
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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If your speaking of the new 1125R it actually isn't a Revolution, it was built in collaboration w/BRP-Rotax.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
d00d,
Anybody ever tell you nobody likes a knowitall ? :P
Ok, so it's got a radiator and I took a 20 foot leap of a conclusion. :nixweiss:
The point is the RADIATOR has now found itself in another model in the H-D stable
B B
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d00d,
Anybody ever tell you nobody likes a knowitall ? :P
Ok, so it's got a radiator and I took a 20 foot leap of a conclusion. :nixweiss:
The point is the RADIATOR has now found itself in another model in the H-D stable
B B
LOL!!! I just read a lot. I'd trade you some of my reading for some of your mechanical skills any day. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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LOL!!! I just read a lot. I'd trade you some of my reading for some of your mechanical skills any day. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
BB will help anybody.
But he doesn't do 3K mile housecalls.
But if you ride out his way then there's hope!
;D
I'm always the eternal optimist HUH?
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BB will help anybody.
But he doesn't do 3K mile housecalls.
But if you ride out his way then there's hope!
;D
I'm always the eternal optimist HUH?
Somehow I'm getting a picture in my mind of servicing and detailing 7 bikes in exchange for my ride, room and board in Charlotte come September :D :D :D :D
B B
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BB will help anybody.
But he doesn't do 3K mile housecalls.
But if you ride out his way then there's hope!
;D
I'm always the eternal optimist HUH?
I will need a service when I get to the west coast whenever I make my cross country ride. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Somehow I'm getting a picture in my mind of servicing and detailing 7 bikes in exchange for my ride, room and board in Charlotte come September :D :D :D :D
B B
NOPE!
When you get here they will be serviced, waxed, detailed, full of Cam II and dinner will be on the table waiting.
In your room will have a remote to each of the garages and one for the TV.
I will show you where the keys are so you can decide what you want to drive.
All we ask in return is that you put the lid down so Nancy's dog doesn't drown!
He's kinda old!
:2vrolijk_21:
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If your speaking of the new 1125R it actually isn't a Revolution, it was built in collaboration w/BRP-Rotax.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
It is nice to see them go with someone that knows how to make a high performance engine. Rotax has also been building engines for Aprilia for a while and before that supplying Suzuki with their two stroke GP motors.
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I will need a service when I get to the west coast whenever I make my cross country ride. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
That "whenever " stuff can be a real bitch Gary. Beagle's been saying the same thing for years
B B
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I really don't think we'll see a water cooled bike for quite sometime yet... Years away!
I would bet that we've seen the last of the CVO Ultra's for a few years though.
I heard there is a good possibility of a CVO Street Glide for '09, with a 113 of course.
Anyway, we only have a few months to wait and see.
Spring has sprung in Toronto with highs reaching into the high 60's this week!
Going to enjoy a week of riding in the sun.
Hallelujah!
Grizzly
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I finally made the call. Once again this year the source came through. Straight from The Source. The Grand Banana of Inside Information (TBGII). Yes, once again, the new CVO lineup is told here before anywhere else on the planet. And, as always, no "I hear"s or "the dealer said" or any other hearsay from people that don't know or sources that don't exist anyway. So here it is; straight from Willie G's nephew's mother's secretary's brother's friend who knows the pool boy who heard it from the neighbor of the guy that lives next to the other guy. The 2009 CVO lineup:
FLHXSEIPL--Screamin Eagle Street Glide in the new SE Plaid paint scheme
IBSESM -- Itty Bitty Screamin Eagle Sportster Monster
SESC2L -- SE Servicar for 2lane
FLSEGWNL -- Touring Screamin Eagle Goldwing No Leaks
FLSTCSEITD -- Heritage Softail Screamin Eagle in High Gloss Metallic SE Tie Dye
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I finally made the call. Once again this year the source came through. Straight from The Source. The Grand Banana of Inside Information (TBGII). Yes, once again, the new CVO lineup is told here before anywhere else on the planet. And, as always, no "I hear"s or "the dealer said" or any other hearsay from people that don't know or sources that don't exist anyway. So here it is; straight from Willie G's nephew's mother's secretary's brother's friend who knows the pool boy who heard it from the neighbor of the guy that lives next to the other guy. The 2009 CVO lineup:
FLHXSEIPL--Screamin Eagle Street Glide in the new SE Plaid paint scheme
IBSESM -- Itty Bitty Screamin Eagle Sportster Monster
SESC2L -- SE Servicar for 2lane
FLSEGWNL -- Touring Screamin Eagle Goldwing No Leaks
FLSTCSEITD -- Heritage Softail Screamin Eagle in High Gloss Metallic SE Tie Dye
2lnrydr,
You're a hoot.
Vaga????bond
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I finally made the call. Once again this year the source came through. Straight from The Source. The Grand Banana of Inside Information (TBGII). Yes, once again, the new CVO lineup is told here before anywhere else on the planet. And, as always, no "I hear"s or "the dealer said" or any other hearsay from people that don't know or sources that don't exist anyway. So here it is; straight from Willie G's nephew's mother's secretary's brother's friend who knows the pool boy who heard it from the neighbor of the guy that lives next to the other guy. The 2009 CVO lineup:
FLHXSEIPL--Screamin Eagle Street Glide in the new SE Plaid paint scheme
IBSESM -- Itty Bitty Screamin Eagle Sportster Monster
SESC2L -- SE Servicar for 2lane
FLSEGWNL -- Touring Screamin Eagle Goldwing No Leaks
FLSTCSEITD -- Heritage Softail Screamin Eagle in High Gloss Metallic SE Tie Dye
The geriatric crowd rules again. Willie did say the company will build according to demand. Only problem is we want old reliable chit and its cheaper and more interesting used. Doc
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That Softail Ty-Dyed might be the ticket! :coolblue: har! spyder
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That Softail Ty-Dyed might be the ticket! :coolblue: har! spyder
I was thinking about the same. How would that look?
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I finally made the call. Once again this year the source came through. Straight from The Source. The Grand Banana of Inside Information (TBGII). Yes, once again, the new CVO lineup is told here before anywhere else on the planet. And, as always, no "I hear"s or "the dealer said" or any other hearsay from people that don't know or sources that don't exist anyway. So here it is; straight from Willie G's nephew's mother's secretary's brother's friend who knows the pool boy who heard it from the neighbor of the guy that lives next to the other guy. The 2009 CVO lineup:
FLHXSEIPL--Screamin Eagle Street Glide in the new SE Plaid paint scheme
IBSESM -- Itty Bitty Screamin Eagle Sportster Monster
SESC2L -- SE Servicar for 2lane
FLSEGWNL -- Touring Screamin Eagle Goldwing No Leaks
FLSTCSEITD -- Heritage Softail Screamin Eagle in High Gloss Metallic SE Tie Dye
Damn. The 09 FLH20INviz is still leaking, evidently.
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Oh, I know - painted like
WonderBread :oops: Further bus at Woodstock;
Woodstock. I was there :2vrolijk_21:
(http://flhrsei.org/yabb2/Attachments/MJTwoodstock2.jpg)
Me, me Dad, & me Brother.
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I really don't think we'll see a water cooled bike for quite sometime yet... Years away!
I would bet that we've seen the last of the CVO Ultra's for a few years though.
I heard there is a good possibility of a CVO Street Glide for '09, with a 113 of course.
Anyway, we only have a few months to wait and see.
Spring has sprung in Toronto with highs reaching into the high 60's this week!
Going to enjoy a week of riding in the sun.
Hallelujah!
Grizzly
Not saying you're right, not saying you're wrong, but the MoCo is coming to the end of the line with pushrod air cooled V Twins. The 110 is a disaster and the competition keeps building bigger , stronger more reliable engines. H-D does not have the brand loyalty it one had as most of us H-D nuts are on the north side of 50. The V-Rod platform is a sucess and they're obviously searching for another option in the 08 Buell motors. I doubt we'll see a water cooler Dyna, Fatboy or other Softail model BEFORE we see a water cooled bagger. When ? who knows. Maybe next year, maybe 5 years, I sure as hell don't have a clue, but the handwritings on the wall and the EPA is making sure everyone reads it.
B B
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2lnrydr,
You're a hoot.
Vaga????bond
Hey, the FLSEGWNL is your bike isn't it :nixweiss: ? ::)
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Hey, the FLSEGWNL is your bike isn't it :nixweiss: ? ::)
I'll admit to owning one. ::) :P ;D
It's nice to look at a dry (no oil) garage floor. ;D :D
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Too bad they can't put a street legal (read EPA) version of the JIMS 131 in the CVO.
:devil:
I would buy in a heart beat if they did, especially if you could get the 7 year warranty. Imagine a Street Glide with JIMS 131....OMG...I need a tissue :smoking:
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might be too early, but I have heard through a couple of custom builders down here, that Honda and Harley might be teamed up for engineering a water cooled big V-twin for the cruisers. Maybe 2010 ?
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might be too early, but I have heard through a couple of custom builders down here, that Honda and Harley might be teamed up for engineering a water cooled big V-twin for the cruisers. Maybe 2010 ?
a Honda-Davidson? ??? :nixweiss:
:devil:
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"You meet the nicest people on a Honda-Davidson"........
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"You meet the nicest people on a Honda-Davidson"........
I'm really showing my age, but I remember that ad (but just for Honda).... :-X
:devil:
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a Honda-Davidson? ??? :nixweiss:
:devil:
What else could one call that abortion, oh yeah, the vtx...or is it a yammaharlee or a Kawadavidson?
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What else could one call that abortion, oh yeah, the vtx...or is it a yammaharlee or a Kawadavidson?
I think that if I were to get a Nippon V-Twin (not that I'm considering one at all), it would be the Kawasaki Vulcan...it is the closet looking and sounding cruiser on the market...(I wonder if Willie G. moonlights at Kawasaki? :huepfenlol2: )...but, if I'm not mistaken, the Vulcan's air-cooled. :nixweiss:
:devil:
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Yup I think it is, at 2000 cc even!
I saw one that was "bobbed" , flat black n orange,painted wheels, striped n such with a legend air ride and apes...
Looked pretty good to me.
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Yup I think it is, at 2000 cc even!
I saw one that was "bobbed" , flat black n orange,painted wheels, striped n such with a legend air ride and apes...
Looked pretty good to me.
They're almost getting as bad as HD riders when it comes to personalizing... ;)
:devil:
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I would buy in a heart beat if they did, especially if you could get the 7 year warranty. Imagine a Street Glide with JIMS 131....OMG...I need a tissue :smoking:
You can have a leagal Jims 131 inch now, minus the warranty of course. I know at least one person that installed a Jims in a 2007 and was able to get it registered no questions asked by CA DMV. He told them his old motor blew beyond repair and this is my new one, please register with my VIN and they did. After my 2 year warranty wears off, (anotother year) im going to do this.
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one of the 09's will be another screaming eagle deuce 113
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i'm making the call 113" CVO's for 2009
The Cinci dealer I frequent (I am commuting there each week) says he predicts a 113 cu in and a SE Street Glide for 09. He claims he is only predicting at this point.
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I think that if I were to get a Nippon V-Twin (not that I'm considering one at all), it would be the Kawasaki Vulcan...it is the closet looking and sounding cruiser on the market...(I wonder if Willie G. moonlights at Kawasaki? :huepfenlol2: )...but, if I'm not mistaken, the Vulcan's air-cooled. :nixweiss:
:devil:
Your mistaken, all Vulcans are water cooled, I believe Yamaha still makes air cooled bikes, some models atleast (Harley Lookalikes)
Buddy of mine has a Vulcan 2000.....actually they are 2050cc....goes like snot!!!
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The Cinci dealer I frequent (I am commuting there each week) says he predicts a 113 cu in and a SE Street Glide for 09. He claims he is only predicting at this point.
This would certainly be my idea if I had any sway over what H-D sells. The 110 platform is a total piece of chit and I've yet to hear of anyone who did a 113 upgrade being disappointed. A Screamin Eagle Street Glide (FLHXSEI) makes perfect sense given the popularity of that model.
That being said, H-D is probably a million miles from the above. Lately H-D Inc seems to have forgotten that their customers have a brain and they are bent on putting the company back to where it was in in the AMF days.
B B
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What hasn't the moco targeted yet? That's where you hosers should place your bets...
Call me crazy (altogether now...your'e crazy!) I'm thinking .....Trike.
Yup, three wheels for those who couldn't otherwise stay upright.
And it is mostly the silver-haired audience that has the bucks to be able to afford the extra beans that it costs to convert two wheels into three wheels. The price of gas alone will tempt many a senior or handicapped rider into making such a purchase. Gotta admit....some of the Lehman conversions are nice looking.
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What hasn't the moco targeted yet? That's where you hosers should place your bets...
Call me crazy (altogether now...your'e crazy!) I'm thinking .....Trike.
Yup, three wheels for those who couldn't otherwise stay upright.
And it is mostly the silver-haired audience that has the bucks to be able to afford the extra beans that it costs to convert two wheels into three wheels. The price of gas alone will tempt many a senior or handicapped rider into making such a purchase. Gotta admit....some of the Lehman conversions are nice looking.
Totally agree that the long time riders will go to 3 wheels if need be........but, the MOCO already has side hacks for sale. :wink3: spyder
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What hasn't the moco targeted yet? That's where you hosers should place your bets...
Call me crazy (altogether now...your'e crazy!) I'm thinking .....Trike.
Yup, three wheels for those who couldn't otherwise stay upright.
And it is mostly the silver-haired audience that has the bucks to be able to afford the extra beans that it costs to convert two wheels into three wheels. The price of gas alone will tempt many a senior or handicapped rider into making such a purchase. Gotta admit....some of the Lehman conversions are nice looking.
What about the delays HD had due to decrease in motorcycle purchases in the recent year. :confused5: The yuppie generation is geating older.
It is true what hasn't HD targeted, I wonder why Spring clothing is in cammo this year. Living in Carlisle I see many HD trucks on I-81. Many of them travel in Cammo decor. It would be nice for a trike let some, unfortunate, vets feel the freedom to ride.
We will just have to keep our eyes and ears open. It will be interesting to see what they have in store.
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This would certainly be my idea if I had any sway over what H-D sells. The 110 platform is a total piece of chit and I've yet to hear of anyone who did a 113 upgrade being disappointed. A Screamin Eagle Street Glide (FLHXSEI) makes perfect sense given the popularity of that model.
That being said, H-D is probably a million miles from the above. Lately H-D Inc seems to have forgotten that their customers have a brain and they are bent on putting the company back to where it was in in the AMF days.
B B
Until there's a street legal version of the 113, that will never happen. And when there is, it'll probably be a POS too! But the 110 is absolutely not a POS platform. The HD parts they use are!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Until there's a street legal version of the 113, that will never happen. And when there is, it'll probably be a POS too! But the 110 is absolutely not a POS platform. The HD parts they use are!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
Semantic distinction without a difference. As Harley put it on the street it's been a major PIA to way too money. Anything could be better; if it was better. You just cast the magic runes and changed yours from a POS to a NLaPOS :2vrolijk_21:.
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Semantic distinction without a difference. As Harley put it on the street it's been a major PIA to way too money. Anything could be better; if it was better. You just cast the magic runes and changed yours from a POS to a NLaPOS :2vrolijk_21:.
OK, I'll bite? :nixweiss:
Don, all HD engines are P'sOS these days. The 110 is a bored out 96. Hot rod them with that garbage crank and see how long it'll go! Granted they way underengineered the top end of the 110. But HD's heydays are behind them now. Get one while you can. This platform is destined for the history books!!! And you can fix any of them properly. After all, THIS AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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OK, I'll bite? :nixweiss:
Don, all HD engines are P'sOS these days. The 110 is a bored out 96. Hot rod them with that garbage crank and see how long it'll go! Granted they way underengineered the top end of the 110. But HD's heydays are behind them now. Get one while you can. This platform is destined for the history books!!! And you can fix any of them properly. After all, THIS AIN'T ROCKET SCIENCE!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
mine's red on top... :P
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mine's red on top... :P
NLaPOS! :confused5: Still ain't getting it! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
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NLaPOS! :confused5: Still ain't getting it! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
No Longer A POS. ;)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Damn Howie I'm going to have to mark this down on my calender first time you've ever been slow at something. :zroflmao:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I guess the La part threw me off! But I like the sound of that!!! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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What hasn't the moco targeted yet? That's where you hosers should place your bets...
Call me crazy (altogether now...your'e crazy!) I'm thinking .....Trike.
Yup, three wheels for those who couldn't otherwise stay upright.
And it is mostly the silver-haired audience that has the bucks to be able to afford the extra beans that it costs to convert two wheels into three wheels. The price of gas alone will tempt many a senior or handicapped rider into making such a purchase. Gotta admit....some of the Lehman conversions are nice looking.
Cycle City here in Oahu has had three different Leeman trike conversion H-D's on the floor. They didn't sell well, I believe they went with the wrong bikes to trike out. One was a 1200 Sportster, one Softtail Springer, and one Dyna wide glide. I ask the Sales manager why they didn't do a touring model instead of the other models, and in true Harley fashion he gave me the "deer in the headlights look" But I heard over a year ago Harley had purchased at least a majority if not the whole Leeman trike company. So who know with the average age of the new Harley owner raising every decade.
Mark
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And it is mostly the silver-haired audience that has the bucks to be able to afford the extra beans that it costs to convert two wheels into three wheels.
and I was thinking it was us young bucks that kept it in our pants, so that we could stay single and fancy free where the ones with the disponsable income....
IMHO I think the Mo Co should be push the nostalgic line to the younger crowd....
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I wonder what bikes will be CVO in 2009. Last year about this time we started seeing some EPA sheets that turned out to be exactly what the CVO 2008's would be.
I can not remember how we got the info.
Any thoughts?? I wonder if they will do a Ultra AGAIN
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I wonder what bikes will be CVO in 2009. Last year about this time we started seeing some EPA sheets that turned out to be exactly what the CVO 2008's would be.
I can not remember how we got the info.
Any thoughts?? I wonder if they will do a Ultra AGAIN
I think someone in this thread said "no", but I may also have CRS on the subject. :nixweiss:
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Think there will be another SE Ultra, I and some other members found a new part in the dealers that had "FLHTCUSE4" on the label.
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Does anyone know how to get the EPA information that MOCO submits each year about this time to get the new models approved . Someone got the information last year and it was accurate and consistent with the Screaming Eagle 2008 models
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You mean like this (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2008/harleydavidson_m0050140_1802_1d4_hn.pdf) that was signed (released) in May 2007? They come from the California Air Resources Board (On-Road New Vehicle & Engine Certification Program (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/cert.php)), but I don't see anything for 2009 model year from the MoCo yet.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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You are my hero....That is it!!!! I think they were signed in May....So if we could see them for this year we would know what the models are going to be
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The Moco was red faced at that little slip out of the CARB reports last year. I would lay a bet that one will not happen again. Best info so far this year is related to the parts boxes info re there being a 4th year repeat on the CVO Ultra mentioned above.
Has anyone seen the color chart for '09. The dealers have them already. There is always some good info to gain from that at least on the regular bike line up.
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road glide...I do not think they have an option...even if they are red faced ... MOCO has to get the certifications in place at least for California before they can produce bikes to sell in that state. In any event I bet this will be our best bet, just like last year, to see what the CVO bikes for 2009 will be. Anyone else heard anything.
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Think there will be another SE Ultra, I and some other members found a new part in the dealers that had "FLHTCUSE4" on the label.
I suppose one can dream of a model like this with a 113 motor, all of the bells and whistles of the current 08 crop as well as something special in wheels and seat for a change.
H-D INC are you listening ?
If you refuse to make another Screamin Eagle Road Glide can you at least make the Electra-Glide based models better ?
B B
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I meant my comments for road glider not that a road glide would be a 2009 cvo
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NLaPOS! :confused5: Still ain't getting it! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
Geez.... :huepfenlol2:
Gotta 'splain everything to New Yawkers.
POS--Piece of Chit
NLaPOS--No Longer a Piece of Chit
NaINiaF--Now all It Needs is a Fairing
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Geez.... :huepfenlol2:
Gotta 'splain everything to New Yawkers.
POS--Piece of Chit
NLaPOS--No Longer a Piece of Chit
NaINiaF--Now all It Needs is a Fairing
Oh I get it now! NYCBM!
(Now You Can Bite Me!) ;D ;D ;D :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist!
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Oh I get it now! NYCBM!
(Now You Can Bite Me!) ;D ;D ;D :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist!
:huepfenlol2: :drink: :huepfenlol2:
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I've had my 113 for three years no leaks and it runs great. Now all the moco needs to do is put it in a road glide with a fat rear tire and I will get my 2nd cvo :-*. I guess I am lucky that I didn't bite on the 110.
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I've had my 113 for three years no leaks and it runs great. Now all the moco needs to do is put it in a road glide with a fat rear tire and I will get my 2nd cvo :-*. I guess I am lucky that I didn't bite on the 110.
But you missed out on all the fun with the 110's. :huepfenlol2:
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NaINiaF--Now all It Needs is a Fairing
<----could this be directed at someone in particular in the SERK arena? :nixweiss: :bananarock:
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<----could this be directed at someone in particular in the SERK arena? :nixweiss: :bananarock:
:angel: not from me :angel:
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:angel: not from me :angel:
It's me.
My malevolence knows no boundaries.
B B
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<----could this be directed at someone in particular in the SERK arena? :nixweiss: :bananarock:
No way Joe! You know better than that. Don is such an angel he'd never say that to anyone here! ::) :P ;D ;)
(again, NYCBM Don! ECBM's rule!) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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But you missed out on all the fun with the 110's.
Ya thats toooooo bad I missed out on that.
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No way Joe! You know better than that. Don is such an angel he'd never say that to anyone here! ::) :P ;D ;)
(again, NYCBM Don! ECBM's rule!) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
Dag nabbit, and I thought I was in a safe sandbox to play in. :huepfenlol2:
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Rumor has it that the MoCo monitors this website. I wonder what they glean from it if they do. By that I mean, you have to be a regular participant on the site to truly understand some of the threads. At a glance and from an occasional visitors perspective, one might think we're a bunch of whiners and this site exists as a place to vent our spleens. Closer examination reveals a group of people deeply commited to the Harley-Davidson brand who simply wish the MoCo would pay more attention to their complaints. Complaints it should be noted that come from people who ride between 10,000 and 30,000 miles per year, maintain their vehicles religiously and go out of their way to seek products and ideas to aid those vehicles in performing better and to their true potential. As such, when we (CVOHarley.com) speak, the MoCo should listen. We purchase their top of the line vehicles and live lifestyles that revolve around riding those vehicles. I believe that makes us just a bit of a better focus group than your average weekend warrior.
I have on this thread and other's similar posted disparaging remarks about the 110 platform. I have done so not to diss any member's ride, but because everyone I've talked to has a story to tell about their 110. While people cite 30% as the number of 110's experiencing problems, my own personal and informal survey would seem to indicate that the number is closer to 100% if the threshold is problem free. Nobody I've spoken with seems to have put any mileage on one of these motors without some issue be it small or large. As Beagle can tell you, nobody is more into each new model year than me, and yet I have not purchased a new Screamin Eagle model since 2005. My current ride started out as a stock 07 96" Road Glide and grew into a faux CVO out of frustration with waiting for the MoCo to get off the Electra-Glide bandwagon and build another SERG. Due to all of the negative information surrounding the 110 platform, I have not had the slightest interest in purchasing a new ride. And yet, in Sedona I saw many 110's cruising down the highway ticking off the miles like Swiss watches. Further investigation revealed modifications made to reach the level of functionality.
So, I would say to the MoCo, whether you choose to admit it or not, the 110 is a clunker and should be scrapped. To fill in the gap between this action and the point in time in which a water-cooled H-D is finally put on the market, I believe a reliable 113 can be built with the parts H-D currently has on the shelf. To be sure, given CARB and EPA regs, it's not going to be the 113 some of our site members have built, but it would be a huge improvement over the 110.
And that's my opinion and in my dreams I see someone from H-D Inc reading this and taking action
B B
As has been noted on past occasions, I do take a lot of prescription medications which could lead to such demented musings as those above ;)
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"squeaky wheel gets the grease" --"bitch loud enough long enough-someone will listen" etc; etc; etc...
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I agree. My 04 has been a great machine even thought the chrome came off everything. (they did fix)...the mechanical has been solid at least through 24,000 miles and have been reluctant to try a new one...
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You're right on B.B.!! :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
We do vent a bit, but hey we're loyal, paying customers and as you point out understand and maintain our MOCO products probably better than most others. Pointing out issues and recommded improvements isn't really bitchin, it's more like constructive criticism.
If HD doesn't start really listening, and improving their products, many of us will start looking at other brands for our riding pleasure and there will be a lot of HD t-shirts, jackets, and chit showing up in ebay. IMHO.
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Rumor has it that the MoCo monitors this website. I wonder what they glean from it if they do. By that I mean, you have to be a regular participant on the site to truly understand some of the threads. At a glance and from an occasional visitors perspective, one might think we're a bunch of whiners and this site exists as a place to vent our spleens. Closer examination reveals a group of people deeply commited to the Harley-Davidson brand who simply wish the MoCo would pay more attention to their complaints. Complaints it should be noted that come from people who ride between 10,000 and 30,000 miles per year, maintain their vehicles religiously and go out of their way to seek products and ideas to aid those vehicles in performing better and to their true potential. As such, when we (CVOHarley.com) speak, the MoCo should listen. We purchase their top of the line vehicles and live lifestyles that revolve around riding those vehicles. I believe that makes us just a bit of a better focus group than your average weekend warrior.
I have on this thread and other's similar posted disparaging remarks about the 110 platform. I have done so not to diss any member's ride, but because everyone I've talked to has a story to tell about their 110. While people cite 30% as the number of 110's experiencing problems, my own personal and informal survey would seem to indicate that the number is closer to 100% if the threshold is problem free. Nobody I've spoken with seems to have put any mileage on one of these motors without some issue be it small or large. As Beagle can tell you, nobody is more into each new model year than me, and yet I have not purchased a new Screamin Eagle model since 2005. My current ride started out as a stock 07 96" Road Glide and grew into a faux CVO out of frustration with waiting for the MoCo to get off the Electra-Glide bandwagon and build another SERG. Due to all of the negative information surrounding the 110 platform, I have not had the slightest interest in purchasing a new ride. And yet, in Sedona I saw many 110's cruising down the highway ticking off the miles like Swiss watches. Further investigation revealed modifications made to reach the level of functionality.
So, I would say to the MoCo, whether you choose to admit it or not, the 110 is a clunker and should be scrapped. To fill in the gap between this action and the point in time in which a water-cooled H-D is finally put on the market, I believe a reliable 113 can be built with the parts H-D currently has on the shelf. To be sure, given CARB and EPA regs, it's not going to be the 113 some of our site members have built, but it would be a huge improvement over the 110.
And that's my opinion and in my dreams I see someone from H-D Inc reading this and taking action
B B
As has been noted on past occasions, I do take a lot of prescription medications which could lead to such demented musings as those above ;)
BB,
I respectively disagree with a couple of items in your post. Yes, only a couple!
First, I don't think all 110's are clunkers. I do agree with what you said about an outsider skimming thru this site would think we are a bunch of whiners. But if you look closely there are a lot of very happy 110 owners on this site, including me. Yes, I had an oil leak at 5k. It was repaired PROPERLY on first attempt by my dealer. I now have 18k without another leak! I really believe a lot of these repeat oil leak repairs are due to techs that don't know what the he** they are doin'!
Second, I don't think spending 35k on a bike makes you a better HD enthusiast or someone who the MOCO should show preferential treatment to (or listen more intently to). There's lots of guys out there riding 10k Harley's that love the lifestyle and ride just as much as we do!
Besides, if you have to spend that much for the MOCO to listen to your concerns that puts you out of the loop!
http://www.kbb.com/kbb/OtherVehicles/PricingReport.aspx?VehicleId=173740&VehicleClass=Motorcycle&PriceType=Retail&ManufacturerId=183&YearId=2007
;D :) ;D :)
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I agree with your post, Spiderman.
Today people have many opportunities to purchase other items of neccesity and wants. The only line you have to stand in is the one you choice too. Basically, if you don't like the item search else where.
When you purchase other items extended warranties are offered as well car, TV, house, etc.....
Take it or leave it.
I understand your passion, that is one of the reasons why you have what you have.
My old ride was a 97 Superglide and I am glad I upgraded. I picked my bike up Jan 28 08 and currently have 2,000 miles with no issues. (except no cup holder yet!) I know that is small fries compared to others in the site but I still love my ride and I will use the extended warrantee if necessary. (choice)
Let the MOCO browse the site, I would take that as a compliment. :2vrolijk_21: That means they are trying to fix problems that exist today. I understand still some gray area but everyone needs to make a bucket.
I think Henry Ford was the one that mentioned this: You can have any color Model T you want as long as it is Black.... I like blace and gray and ghost flames and blue pin stripe and leather and cruise control and chrome
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I drove my SE4 from dealer with Reinhart TD and SE stage I A/C and a canned map for SERT (because we can not Dyno a new engine). Yes, I had problem with Speedo communication with security module and it was resolved by replacing it. But as far as the engine, I have no heat problem. The bike has only 700 miles on it and I'm getting ready for Dyno tune. I checked the cylinders for temp. yesterday, after riding 30 miles in about 40 min. and pushing it up to 80-85 MPH, keeping the rpm between 2000 and 3500 (they say over 2000 rpm, it runs leaner and gets hotter), the front cylinder was 218 and back was at 315. I would not call it hot ride. We ride Harley because we don't want to settle or compromise and there is no company out there that can build a bike to every ones specs. No matter what the MoCo does, we would still modify and customize to our hearts desire and there is no other bike out there that you can change as much as a hog. If you're not into customizing, then get a rice burner and ride happily ever after. I still have my 05 RCI and just yesterday took it out for warm up, I used to think that bike was best ride ever, not any more. It felt like riding a moppet comparing to my 110. I love my SE4. :bananarock: It's not a clunker. MoCo can not do every thing for us because of regs, but they do provide ways for us to do it ourselves :2vrolijk_21:.
I better stop before I over do it.
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It seems there are a few that are perfectly happy with their 110. I had a friend tell me "I don't post anything on that site because my bike runs fine".
However, I think that most would have to agree that there have been more issues with the 110" motor than the predecessors (103, 88, 80, and Evos). Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I shared with a member of this site yesterday (that has had many issues with his 110) that I know I'm not alone when I say that I'm very glad that I've got a 103" motor. That's not to rub it in for those with 110 issues but rather to say that we empathize with the problems and hopefully there is a cure for the problem just around the corner.
We know the MoCo views this site, at least periodically and I am sure that they're aware that there is a problem and that they're doing what they can (within reason.....they still have stock holders to answer to) to resolve this issue. Kind of like the peeling chrome issue that reared it's ugly head in late 04 and throughout 05......the MoCo didn't publically acknowledge it and many dealerships denied knowledge of a rampant issue.....however, the MoCo did get on that issue and get it corrected (evetually) and now, for the most part, it's a faded memory. I hope this same course comes to be the same (sooner rather than later) for the 110 issues.
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It seems there are a few that are perfectly happy with their 110. I had a friend tell me "I don't post anything on that site because my bike runs fine".
However, I think that most would have to agree that there have been more issues with the 110" motor than the predecessors (103, 88, 80, and Evos). Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I shared with a member of this site yesterday (that has had many issues with his 110) that I know I'm not alone when I say that I'm very glad that I've got a 103" motor. That's not to rub it in for those with 110 issues but rather to say that we empathize with the problems and hopefully there is a cure for the problem just around the corner.
We know the MoCo views this site, at least periodically and I am sure that they're aware that there is a problem and that they're doing what they can (within reason.....they still have stock holders to answer to) to resolve this issue. Kind of like the peeling chrome issue that reared it's ugly head in late 04 and throughout 05......the MoCo didn't publically acknowledge it and many dealerships denied knowledge of a rampant issue.....however, the MoCo did get on that issue and get it corrected (evetually) and now, for the most part, it's a faded memory. I hope this same course comes to be the same (sooner rather than later) for the 110 issues.
All I can say is all their new issue engines wind up with some kinda problem or another. And MoCo EVENTUALLY comes up with a fix and stands behind them. But stock engines need so much help anyway, ya might as well just get it right and the way you want it, right from the beginning yourself! My 110 runs awesome now, no thanks to MoCo! FTF & FTW!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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All I can say is all their new issue engines wind up with some kinda problem or another. And MoCo EVENTUALLY comes up with a fix and stands behind them. But stock engines need so much help anyway, ya might as well just get it right and the way you want it, right from the beginning yourself! My 110 runs awesome now, no thanks to MoCo! FTF & FTW!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
You would think they would outsource to someone who would get it right, you think?!?
We'll see what 2009 brings. :nixweiss:
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You would think they would outsource to someone who would get it right, you think?!?
We'll see what 2009 brings. :nixweiss:
Part of the problem is they outsource now - to China... :( :smilie_daumenneg:
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But stock engines need so much help anyway, ya might as well just get it right and the way you want it, right from the beginning yourself!
Many a true word was written!
Always was the case always will be!
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There best move at this point is to go back to the 103 till they can get it right. It seems they didn't put much research into the 110 after they came up with it. Take it to the southwest in mid-summer and test it for the heat issue before you put it on the market......and test it in the tuned mode that they're going to release it to the market. Seems pretty brainless to me. :nixweiss:
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There best move at this point is to go back to the 103 till they can get it right. It seems they didn't put much research into the 110 after they came up with it. Take it to the southwest in mid-summer and test it for the heat issue before you put it on the market......and test it in the tuned mode that they're going to release it to the market. Seems pretty brainless to me. :nixweiss:
Any change to a smaller displacement will be seen as an admission to problems on their part and they'll never do that. The strongest statement they can make to their detractors is to stay with the 110 platform and fix the current problems. I don't think they can ever downsize the CVO platform. Going Biggie is a possibility also, so maybe a 113, but going back to a 103? Not in a million years.
:indian_chief:
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Any change to a smaller displacement will be seen as an admission to problems on their part and they'll never do that. The strongest statement they can make to their detractors is to stay with the 110 platform and fix the current problems. I don't think they can ever downsize the CVO platform. Going Biggie is a possibility also, so maybe a 113, but going back to a 103? Not in a million years.
:indian_chief:
Street Glide w/a 131.
That will be the latest and greatest before the water cooled bagger!
Mine is on order!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Street Glide w/a 131.
That will be the latest and greatest before the water cooled bagger!
Mine is on order!
:2vrolijk_21:
That'll be a real nice bike for Nancy. ;) She is due the next bike isn't she? :sneaky: :evilgrin:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I have the solution in two words
water-cooled motors
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Street Glide w/a 131.
That will be the latest and greatest before the water cooled bagger!
Mine is on order!
:2vrolijk_21:
Make sure to bring whatever you're smoking to CHL. ;) :huepfenlol2:
I had to come back and add....
And be prepared to share. ;)
:indian_chief:
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Make sure to bring whatever you're smoking to CHL. ;) :huepfenlol2:
:indian_chief:
He's not smoking anything it's the Kool-Aid. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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He's not smoking anything it's the Kool-Aid. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Whatever it is, it must be some really good chit!!! :huepfenlol2:
:indian_chief:
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I like to try some of that in my bike. That might fix all the problems. :beatnik:
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I like to try some of that in my bike. That might fix all the problems. :beatnik:
Probably not, but you definitely won't care tho.
:indian_chief:
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He's not smoking anything it's the Kool-Aid. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Don't be telling on me dOOd!
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That'll be a real nice bike for Nancy. ;) She is due the next bike isn't she? :sneaky: :evilgrin:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Nothing but the best for the one that takes care of me.
No BSR there.
She has the Lowrider, the scooter and the Classic.
I'm one up on her, so YUP it's her turn.
:2vrolijk_21:
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Nothing but the best for the one that takes care of me.
No BSR there.
She has the Lowrider, the scooter and the Classic.
I'm one up on her, so YUP it's her turn.
:2vrolijk_21:
You might be a "Chithead", but you're not a "Dumb Chithead". Good answer. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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You might be a "Chithead", but you're not a "Dumb Chithead". Good answer. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
When your # 2 chithead you have to try harder!
:2vrolijk_21:
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When your # 2 chithead you have to try harder!
:2vrolijk_21:
Who's number one??
:nixweiss:
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Who's number one??
:nixweiss:
Thank god it's not me...
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Thank god it's not me...
I think we need to have a vote on who's chithead #1!
:)
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I think we need to have a vote on who's chithead #1!
:)
Tommy, D00d was being an evil bastard last night calling people names and making them sit on the bench with the other people that had done mean and nasty things (proper citation to Arlo Guthrie). Chip was ruinously tagged with CH II, I was so unfairly hung with CH I and Boatman was callously and cruelly branded CH III.
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Sounds like a poll is needed...
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Tommy, D00d was being an evil bastard last night calling people names and making them sit on the bench with the other people that had done mean and nasty things (proper citation to Arlo Guthrie). Chip was ruinously tagged with CH II, I was so unfairly hung with CH I and Boatman was callously and cruelly branded CH III.
Darn! My candidate isn't even in the top three!
:(
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I think we need to have a vote on who's chithead #1!
:)
I think you're right!
:2vrolijk_21:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=23370.0
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Tommy, D00d was being an evil bastard last night calling people names and making them sit on the bench with the other people that had done mean and nasty things (proper citation to Arlo Guthrie). Chip was ruinously tagged with CH II, I was so unfairly hung with CH I and Boatman was callously and cruelly branded CH III.
You know Don, we try so hard to work with dOOd and what do we get?
You me and the Boat, 1,2 and 3, now how can we really deserve such inhumane treatment?
I'm appalled!
(but I am ahead in the poll!)
:2vrolijk_21:
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You know Don, we try so hard to work with dOOd and what do we get?
You me and the Boat, 1,2 and 3, now how can we really deserve such inhumane treatment?
I'm appalled!
(but I am ahead in the poll!)
:2vrolijk_21:
Don't you try to be all innocent and chit. :shocked2: More then likely all of us being a chithead has to do w/associating w/one another. :P :huepfenlol2:
BTW - I just got back from a nice ride in the mountains this morning, you aren't working are you? :evilgrin:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Hey, at least I'm in some great company. :)
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Hey, at least I'm in some great company. :)
:2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Being new to the site, I guess it will take me awhile to decipher some of the above
Not sure what any of it has to do with the topic
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Being new to the site, I guess it will take me awhile to decipher some of the above
Not sure what any of it has to do with the topic
Hehe! I think the Newbie just put ya'll, mods included, on DSP!!! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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Being new to the site, I guess it will take me awhile to decipher some of the above
Not sure what any of it has to do with the topic
BESERKER, welcome to the family that is cvoharley.com :huepfenjump3: :drink: It's taken me over six months to try and figure it out. I gave up, you may want to too. :huepfenlol2: :jack: :nixweiss:
Howie
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Being new to the site, I guess it will take me awhile to decipher some of the above
Not sure what any of it has to do with the topic
The only threads that stay on topic around here either deal with pets or scantly clad women. :2vrolijk_21:
I don't read the pet threads. :bananarock:
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Anybody know how we keep attracting new members ?
B B
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The better question might be, "How do we keep from scaring them off"? :D
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BESERKER, welcome to the family that is cvoharley.com :huepfenjump3: :drink: It's taken me over six months to try and figure it out. I gave up, you may want to too. :huepfenlol2: :jack: :nixweiss:
Howie
That was the first laugh I had today. :o Thanks for that. :D
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That was the first laugh I had today. :o Thanks for that. :D
Candy
Whenever you need a laugh
Just picture Twolane in his Underroos :huepfenjump3:
B B
Parker makes him wear em. They go with her Dr Denton's.
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That was the first laugh I had today. :o Thanks for that. :D
Laughter - good for the soul Mrs.We ;) Glad to oblige! :coolblue:
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Candy
Whenever you need a laugh
Just picture Twolane in his Underroos :huepfenjump3:
B B
Parker makes him wear em. They go with her Dr Denton's.
Damn BB, why did you have to suggest that?? :dead: Now I have to go out and gut a pig to get that picture out of my mind. :o
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Man, you guys make my day. Funnier stuff than most comedy shows. I was LOL so hard I had to have another beer to recover. This forum is ready for prime time. ;D
Regarding the topic, Harley better debut great new tech, engineering, quality, and reliability for 2009, and stay on top of things from now on. The sales stats and forums tell the story. I.e., we love the brand, but we want better quality. As many of you said, there are other brands with great tech and design, and high HP, torque, performance, and quality - for thousands less. I'm waiting for July and August to see what Harley will offer. Also, I just checked out the new Indians on www.IndianMotorcycle.com - beautiful (but expensive). I'm hoping that Harley delivers - and I'm keeping an open mind. 8)
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Man, you guys make my day. Funnier stuff than most comedy shows. I was LOL so hard I had to have another beer to recover. This forum is ready for prime time. ;D
Regarding the topic, Harley better debut great new tech, engineering, quality, and reliability for 2009, and stay on top of things from now on. The sales stats and forums tell the story. I.e., we love the brand, but we want better quality. As many of you said, there are other brands with great tech and design, and high HP, torque, performance, and quality - for thousands less. I'm waiting for July and August to see what Harley will offer. Also, I just checked out the new Indians on www.IndianMotorcycle.com - beautiful (but expensive). I'm hoping that Harley delivers - and I'm keeping an open mind. 8)
Now that's some funny stuff there!
:indian_chief:
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This thread just gets funnier & funnier.
;D
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Man, you guys make my day. Funnier stuff than most comedy shows. I was LOL so hard I had to have another beer to recover. This forum is ready for prime time. ;D
Also, I just checked out the new Indians on www.IndianMotorcycle.com - beautiful (but expensive). I'm hoping that Harley delivers - and I'm keeping an open mind. 8)
This is funny,,, check these Indian Motorcycel prices out.. yewwwwwwwwwwwww.... what do ya get besides two wheels
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This is funny,,, check these Indian Motorcycel prices out.. yewwwwwwwwwwwww.... what do ya get besides two wheels
Those prices it looks like you getting schtupted and a 2 wheels!
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Those prices it looks like you getting schtupted and a 2 wheels!
Yeah, Indian is charging CVO-type prices for these bikes. :o
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I thought this was a subject about the 2009 models??? An ideas on what they are going to be???
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They are gonna be expensive, shabbily built siamese rodded dinosaurs with inferior chinese materials. :P
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They are gonna be expensive, shabbily built siamese rodded dinosaurs with inferior chinese materials. :P
In other words, a repeat of the '07 & '08 models.
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Probably true.......I would sure like to see a Street Glide, with a reliable engine.....I am OK with my 103 it has been very reliable.so far..through the first 25k
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BBrown, thats a keeper ! :pepper:
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They are gonna be expensive, shabbily built siamese rodded dinosaurs with inferior chinese materials. :P
No,, there going to step up to Twian materials
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Questions -
What are "Twian materials"?(!) From the planet Twia?
Why do we humans lock onto certain concepts, views, people, brands, etc., even though they've shown themselves to be faulty, disappointing, expensive, and destructive - especially considering that there are better options? Brief answers - emotion is more exciting and satisfying than logic, and familiarity (often falsely) suggests safety and peace of mind. We humans are experts at creating and legitimizing trouble and expenses for ourselves - but it hurts so good!
That calls for another keg, louder music and pipes, and more dancing girls.
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Questions -
What are "Twian materials"?(!) From the planet Twia?
Why do we humans lock onto certain concepts, views, people, brands, etc., even though they've shown themselves to be faulty, disappointing, expensive, and destructive - especially considering that there are better options? Brief answers - emotion is more exciting and satisfying than logic, and familiarity (often falsely) suggests safety and peace of mind. We humans are experts at creating and legitimizing trouble and expenses for ourselves - but it hurts so good!
That calls for another keg, louder music and pipes, and more dancing girls.
Yes, bring on the dancing girls. :bananarock: :kiss2:
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OK 8) :apple: :bananarock: :orange: :pineapple:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0BZ-i0bnWg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kozJ21rYGbc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhBggDij4Tc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1h3aE3Rfik&feature
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pc5WAFTmME
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They are gonna be expensive, shabbily built siamese rodded dinosaurs with inferior chinese materials. :P
With spiffy new paint schemes?
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My bad ..... spiffy new paint schemes that may or may not be defective with finger prints or milky clear coat that cannot be seen by the dealer...and ...
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My bad ..... spiffy new paint schemes that may or may not be defective with finger prints or milky clear coat that cannot be seen by the dealer...and ...
Funny you should mention milky clear coat. I have a spot on my tank right on top that when I'm in the garage under my lights, I can see this spot about the size of a golf ball. I've tried to rub it out with final glaze and it's under the paint. When in the sun you don't see it.
Is this something that has happened before and why you mentioned it? I've read the posts about finger prints and bad paint jobs, but didn't know the extent of the issues.
Thanks for bringing up the milky clear coat.
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i have the 08 serk in the blue i hve 4 little spots on my take like that . i took it to the dealer and they ordered me a new tank and a appointment for june 5th to have it put on.the dealer is spitzies in colonie ny i figured with all the dealer bashing i should give them a good report. they been very good with myself.
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mmmmmm dancing girls ::)
thanks rockin rider
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Is this something that has happened before and why you mentioned it?
Yup, a legacy 06 problem....
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I'm gonna shift gears just a bit in this discussion and see how other's feel as to what I'm saying
Up until model year 2006, it was my opinion that Harley-Davidson was manufacturing a good product, ensuring that production kept pace with demand and backing up said product with a reliable warranty.
My personal opinion is tha model year 2006 began the downward trend that we have discussed on this and many other threads.
What's your opinion ?
B B
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I'm gonna shift gears just a bit in this discussion and see how other's feel as to what I'm saying
Up until model year 2006, it was my opinion that Harley-Davidson was manufacturing a good product, ensuring that production kept pace with demand and backing up said product with a reliable warranty.
My personal opinion is tha model year 2006 began the downward trend that we have discussed on this and many other threads.
What's your opinion ?
B B
that you should start a new topic!
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I'm gonna shift gears just a bit in this discussion and see how other's feel as to what I'm saying
Up until model year 2006, it was my opinion that Harley-Davidson was manufacturing a good product, ensuring that production kept pace with demand and backing up said product with a reliable warranty.
My personal opinion is tha model year 2006 began the downward trend that we have discussed on this and many other threads.
What's your opinion ?
B B
Yup...I agree....My 95 , 00 and 03 rk were fine, ran good, nice paint, no peeling chrome...
I was checking out an 07(?) orange rg like yours at the local stealer and looked real close at it.
The paint and it was peeled, bad, I mean real bad, all over......I just think this particular one was nasty...
The paint on my 07 serk is actually pretty good and so far at 6k no problems other than having to check and repair all the rear terminations in the fuse box.
The paint on the lil womans 06 dyna is superb and it is a great runner...
Didn't the 04's have a chrome issues?? and cam tensioners?
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Is this something that has happened before and why you mentioned it?
Yup, a legacy 06 problem....
......the "thumb prints in the paint" problem was started in '05......the " peeling chrome" was '04 , If I'm remembering correctly. :drink: har! spyder
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2003 SED had overlaps in the gold leaf...my replacement tank did not...
but with the ding in it, I am sad...would have preferred the overlaps
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2003 SED had overlaps in the gold leaf...my replacement tank did not...
but with the ding in it, I am sad...would have preferred the overlaps
Guess they wouldn't let you switch back, huh? :nixweiss: :confused5: har! :drink: spyder
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that you should start a new topic!
Bill
My point was to start a discussion on when/where H-D started to backslide to the bad old days of AMF and use that as a starting point for what we'd truly like to see in the 2009 models. Probably the Moderators will go into eplileptic siezures when they read this, but I'm all for creating a petition to send to H-D Inc from the 5,500+ members of this sight, written with all due respect and intelligence, but nonetheless outlining what we see as the major issues facing them from the customers viewpoint and what we'd like to see for the future. If you've ever participated in one of H-D's survey's, the are tailored to a pre-ordained conclusion. Basically some H-D VP schmuck tells the markey research company he hires that he wants the survey to conclude such and such. If you've ever worked for corporation the size of General Dynamics as I do, you've seen this type of BS go on in relocation surveys etc. Anyway, I was just thinking if we could point to a particular year where we agreed that the MoCo had their proverbial chit together as a means of expressing our hope for future model years.
Maybe I'm being naive, but I have to believe they'll listen to 5,500 plus customers speaking in unison.
B B
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Bill
My point was to start a discussion on when/where H-D started to backslide to the bad old days of AMF and use that as a starting point for what we'd truly like to see in the 2009 models. Probably the Moderators will go into eplileptic siezures when they read this, but I'm all for creating a petition to send to H-D Inc from the 5,500+ members of this sight, written with all due respect and intelligence, but nonetheless outlining what we see as the major issues facing them from the customers viewpoint and what we'd like to see for the future. If you've ever participated in one of H-D's survey's, the are tailored to a pre-ordained conclusion. Basically some H-D VP schmuck tells the markey research company he hires that he wants the survey to conclude such and such. If you've ever worked for corporation the size of General Dynamics as I do, you've seen this type of BS go on in relocation surveys etc. Anyway, I was just thinking if we could point to a particular year where we agreed that the MoCo had their proverbial chit together as a means of expressing our hope for future model years.
Maybe I'm being naive, but I have to believe they'll listen to 5,500 plus customers speaking in unison.
B B
i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best
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i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best
Damn!
Our chairman has a way of cutting thru the B/S and laying it out there!
Kinda like being a pimple on a dimple on a gnats ass!
Meaning------> (Does the MoCo really cares if we are not buy something new every year)
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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Well for what its worth, you can tell Willie I passed on purchasing a new bike last year because of the problems with the 110's. My 95 incher seems to be the limit with EPA legal bikes. The 110's would probably be fine as a carborated bike running 101 octane and a little on the rich side to keep cool. Those days are long gone and without a big inch liquid cooled motor even being rumored yet, I'm happy with what I've got.
doc
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Make sure to bring whatever you're smoking to CHL. ;) :huepfenlol2:
I had to come back and add....
And be prepared to share. ;)
:indian_chief:
Yeahhhh.. I agree. :huepfenlol2:
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Yeahhhh.. I agree. :huepfenlol2:
Ask and ye shall receive...
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I think a message from 5500 people who spend a significant amount of money on their products, would certainly give them something to think about. Even if they think we are a bunch of maggots, maggots don't usually bother anything that is alive
j
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i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best
This very well maybe be true but histroy has taught us that we should try anyways... It only takes one to start a revolution....
We may have been less than 1% of new bike purchases but if they get enough similar phrased concerns, and I don't just mean from us but ever disgruntled customer. change can happen slow.....
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This very well maybe be true but histroy has taught us that we should try anyways... It only takes one to start a revolution....
We may have been less than 1% of new bike purchases but if they get enough similar phrased concerns, and I don't just mean from us but ever disgruntled customer. change can happen slow.....
... ??? not even one percenters !!
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... ??? not even one percenters !!
So who would like to write the petition ? Also, I expect that we need Neal's approval to post it on the site here for some sort of electronic signature from those willing to support it. This is where I kinda dumb up. I only too glad to help, but doing this in cyberspace is not my forte.
1st things first, Neal, do you object ?
B B
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B, we're not setup to do a petition with our software but i tried a google search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=create+online+petitions
looks like plenty of sites setup to do nothing but petitions
you could also get a biger group then just CVO site members
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i'll go with niave on this one Brian. 5500+ is far below 1% of the people that will but a new ride this yr and most of us have not bought new in the last 2+ yrs we might register as an annoying insect at best
I just put this to a test. I called customer service to ask a question about converting LD to a hydraulic clutch. Believe me when I say I understand parts manuals and I haven't been able to figure this out. The blankety blank who took my call (after the most idiotic repetitious automated phone system I've ever encountered) claimed they did not offer tech assistance. She got down right rude when I explained that the local dealers hire part time help at minimum wage who are lucky to read let alone understand the vagaries of parts fitment.
I have to conclude based on the inhospitable automated phone answering system (like their in cahoots with the cell companies to ensure you burn up 30 minutes just to get to somebody you can talk to) AND, the don't give a F_ _k attitude of the female dog who took my call, THAT THEY WOULDN'T GIVE A RAT'S A$$ about our petition even with 10,000 signatures on it. Dudes(and Dudettes) the frikkin IRS is more friendly by a country frikkin mile than H-D Inc. :soapbox:
B B
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Interesting information about petitions and e-petitions here:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
If it is true that the MOCO is reading this and other websites I would like to see an ownership survey that is done that would try and show problems based on model type and year and also allow positive comments so it will come across as balanced.This way the MOCO can look at information in total and not as a squeaky wheel wanting some grease type of thing. I can only hope someone is compiling information on whether our problems are in the minority or majority of bikes.
Most companies have those surveys when you first get a bike,car or truck but they should be done in later years when problems crop up and the "newness" wears off.
Maybe a survey that we could hand out to every Harley Owner we meet asking them to fill out and mail in directly to a MOCO executive would wake things up somewhat. Also what if at all those meet and greet events like HOG and Sturgis, Daytona while we stand in line to get Wille G's and other's autograph or photo we hand delivered our completed survey?
I personally feel that MOCO is doing what they can considering the tough government regulations for noise and pollution and balancing that with trying to keep a customer base that is steeped in tradition and wants the old engine design that is not really suited to modern regulations etc. They may be just treading water until a water cooled "modern" design is mandated. If you think about it in a psychological way it will make it easier for many owners to make the change over to the "New Improved,trouble- free, water cooled motor" if it is marketed in that manner and it proves true that the "New" motor is faster and more trouble free than the "Old" motor we now have.
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Interesting information about petitions and e-petitions here:
http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp
If it is true that the MOCO is reading this and other websites I would like to see an ownership survey that is done that would try and show problems based on model type and year and also allow positive comments so it will come across as balanced.This way the MOCO can look at information in total and not as a squeaky wheel wanting some grease type of thing. I can only hope someone is compiling information on whether our problems are in the minority or majority of bikes.
Most companies have those surveys when you first get a bike,car or truck but they should be done in later years when problems crop up and the "newness" wears off.
Maybe a survey that we could hand out to every Harley Owner we meet asking them to fill out and mail in directly to a MOCO executive would wake things up somewhat. Also what if at all those meet and greet events like HOG and Sturgis, Daytona while we stand in line to get Wille G's and other's autograph or photo we hand delivered our completed survey?
I personally feel that MOCO is doing what they can considering the tough government regulations for noise and pollution and balancing that with trying to keep a customer base that is steeped in tradition and wants the old engine design that is not really suited to modern regulations etc. They may be just treading water until a water cooled "modern" design is mandated. If you think about it in a psychological way it will make it easier for many owners to make the change over to the "New Improved,trouble- free, water cooled motor" if it is marketed in that manner and it proves true that the "New" motor is faster and more trouble free than the "Old" motor we now have.
Interesting persepctive and I do agree with the need for positive comments. Fair and Balanced has taken a beating due to FOX Noise, but it's the best way to get and hold your listeners attention. A) Tell him what he's doing right then B) tell him what he's doing wrong and show him how correcting B will lead to more of A which should in theory translate in to C) Increased sales.
As to the latter part of your comments, that's just cynical enough to have some validity.
B B
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...Dudes(and Dudettes) the frikkin IRS is more friendly by a country frikkin mile than H-D Inc. :soapbox:
B B
I'll share your opinion with my upper management ....... :D
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Anybody heard what will be the model line up for the 2009 SE's
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Interesting persepctive and I do agree with the need for positive comments. Fair and Balanced has taken a beating due to FOX Noise, but it's the best way to get and hold your listeners attention. A) Tell him what he's doing right then B) tell him what he's doing wrong and show him how correcting B will lead to more of A which should in theory translate in to C) Increased sales.
As to the latter part of your comments, that's just cynical enough to have some validity.
B B
I worked at a dealership for 6 yrs and no body wants to be verbally
beat up. Normally it will make that person want to get defensive, and
that will accomplish nothing. Your A, B and C idea is how we should
communicate with anyone if we want to see improvement. IMHO
Mark
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Anybody heard what will be the model line up for the 2009 SE's
Twolane's sister has a babysitter who's cousin is a maid at Willie G's house. We've gotten the lowdown before via that channel.
B B
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Twolane's sister has a babysitter who's cousin is a maid at Willie G's house. We've gotten the lowdown before via that channel.
B B
Love the reliability, Har. :huepfenlol2:
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I saw a dealership's expected shipment list for the first quarter model year 2009 today at Bayside Harley-Davidson in Portsmouth Va.
The list shows a 2009 SE ElectraGlide Ultra in Autumn Haze and Orange due in July.
A 2009 SE RoadGlide in Orange and Black due in July.
Later in the year they are expecting a SE Ultra in Yellow and I think Silver as well as a SE Roadglide in Red and Black.
Contact the sales manager there - a Mr. Chuck Delaney for more info.
His phone number is (757)397-5550 and has a fax# (757)397-5513 or by email at sales@harleybay.com
They will take deposits on expected bike too.
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4 Ultras in a row....Geez and 2 baggers in the same year? What are they thinking?
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I saw a dealership's expected shipment list for the first quarter model year 2009 today at Bayside Harley-Davidson in Portsmouth Va.
The list shows a 2009 SE ElectraGlide Ultra in Autumn Haze and Orange due in July.
A 2009 SE RoadGlide in Orange and Black due in July.
Later in the year they are expecting a SE Ultra in Yellow and I think Silver as well as a SE Roadglide in Red and Black.
Contact the sales manager there - a Mr. Chuck Delaney for more info.
His phone number is (757)397-5550 and has a fax# (757)397-5513 or by email at sales@harleybay.com
They will take deposits on expected bike too.
Are they 110 ci ?
Jacques
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The sales manager did NOT have any technical info on the bikes yet only the model designation, colors ,and expected shipping dates. He did have a color chart for the 2009 models EXCEPT the CVO colors.
Sorry no more info at this time.
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4 Ultras in a row....Geez and 2 baggers in the same year? What are they thinking?
Must be thinking,
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Would be my guess!
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Must be thinking,
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Would be my guess!
:nixweiss:
i'll second that
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Must be thinking,
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Would be my guess!
:nixweiss:
YEA WHAT HE SAID!!!!!
Be Safe
THE DAWG
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Wow, I am surprised. I thought they would move away from the ultra and try a street glide, SEEG , or softail classic
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It sure seems like the 110 is a prblem. how about going back to the 103???
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Wow, I am surprised. I thought they would move away from the ultra and try a street glide, SEEG , or softail classic
With sales getting soft, keeping their high demand bikes in the line is the best thing they could do to keep the $$ rolling in.
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Chief, you got me there. That is a good point.
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It sure seems like the 110 is a prblem. how about going back to the 103???
There's no way they'll do that. If anything they'll push further forward, but with their track record of recent new product development, I think too many people would be scared off. They'll work the 110 until they get the bugs worked out.....I hope.
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It's in their best interest (and ours) if they do!
JW
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I hope you are right. Check out the other topics on the issues with the 110's
I stopped at our dealer this weekend and they have (6) 110's waiting for major repairs. This is not good.
The only good news is that the 6 speed transmissions seem to be very solid
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It's in their best interest (and ours) if they do!
JW
That may be true, but don't count on it.
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I'm sure this is not the 2009 surprise but service mgr said he was on the EPA site and there was mention of a H-D 2300 cc liquid cooled motor being checked out for EPA certs.
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I'm sure this is not the 2009 surprise but service mgr said he was on the EPA site and there was mention of a H-D 2300 cc liquid cooled motor being checked out for EPA certs.
Did it mention the Country of Origin/or Manufacture
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Don't see a new CARB Certificate (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2008/2008.php) for it. :nixweiss:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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My guess is that if it is, it is the powerplant for the H/D trike.
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My guess is that if it is, it is the powerplant for the H/D trike.
Think about this guys. T last time H-D changed power plants, they introduced the new ones in the bagger lineup first. Then of course there's the V-Rod models. And oh yeah, this year's Buells have watercooled Rotax engines. So where are we going ? I mean BRP makes the best snow machines going, but the Porsche based V-Rod motor is better than a Rotax, and the R&D money was already spent on the Revolution platform, so what the hell is up with the Rotax ? By the way, a few of you have ridden a BRP Spyder and reported that you loved it. That's a 900cc Rotax motor in there FYI. Weird happenings all around the H-D Inc stables. Two types of water buffalo in production, reports of trike patents, absolutely confirmed new Screamin Eagle Road Glides on the way. I have to say, the H-D PR Dept all deserve huge raises and bonus checks to boot. None of us and I mean none of us were in the least this excited last year at this time. Now even the most skeptical among us is posting what ifs on this thread. Either somebody's got us all snookered, or this might actually be a watershed year for H-D Inc.
B B
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Think about this guys. T last time H-D changed power plants, they introduced the new ones in the bagger lineup first. Then of course there's the V-Rod models. And oh yeah, this year's Buells have watercooled Rotax engines. So where are we going ? I mean BRP makes the best snow machines going, but the Porsche based V-Rod motor is better than a Rotax, and the R&D money was already spent on the Revolution platform, so what the hell is up with the Rotax ? By the way, a few of you have ridden a BRP Spyder and reported that you loved it. That's a 900cc Rotax motor in there FYI. Weird happenings all around the H-D Inc stables. Two types of water buffalo in production, reports of trike patents, absolutely confirmed new Screamin Eagle Road Glides on the way. I have to say, the H-D PR Dept all deserve huge raises and bonus checks to boot. None of us and I mean none of us were in the least this excited last year at this time. Now even the most skeptical among us is posting what ifs on this thread. Either somebody's got us all snookered, or this might actually be a watershed year for H-D Inc.
B B
Brian, so far it's been a real tough year for H/D & rumors are strong they are ready to send letters to all of us lucky dumb stuck? 110 owners outlining some "fix" that could conceivably cost them millions. And Indian is re-introducing bikes @ $30k plus that could cut into CVO sales but from what I've seen on the web, not much exciting from Indian so far. That Rotax is a damn fine motor from what I have seen - but your point re: Revolution is very valid.
The MoCo trike should be a winner. An SE Raod Glide is damn smart. Bet they make a buttload of profit on the SE Ultra so no surprise they leave that in the lineup.
Hope you are right - H/D watershed year & all. Damn tired of seeing American companies sell out to interests around the world and lose what soul (in some cases little soul) they had left.
Mike
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IN the conversation there was no mention of country of origin but there was mention that air cooled would be out before to much longer like 1 or 2 years.
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here is the 2009 section:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php
No HD entry yet...
/Bill
Don't see a new CARB Certificate (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2008/2008.php) for it. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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here is the 2009 section:
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php
No HD entry yet...
/Bill
:oops: No wonder there was nothing in there about the '09's in the link I posted. :D
Thanks Bill. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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:oops: No wonder there was nothing in there about the '09's in the link I posted. :D
Thanks Bill. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
But you are still the master of the links and I only a humble wannabe...
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Fired00d , GOOD POINT. Something big must be in the wind since this has usually been decide and approved in April in previous years.
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I wonder if MPG will be a consideration?????
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But you are still the master of the links and I only a humble wannabe...
No, no , no. That's IROAR. He won the inaugural CVO Golf Tournament. ;D
B B
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I saw a dealership's expected shipment list for the first quarter model year 2009 today at Bayside Harley-Davidson in Portsmouth Va.
The list shows a 2009 SE ElectraGlide Ultra in Autumn Haze and Orange due in July.
A 2009 SE RoadGlide in Orange and Black due in July.
Later in the year they are expecting a SE Ultra in Yellow and I think Silver as well as a SE Roadglide in Red and Black.
Contact the sales manager there - a Mr. Chuck Delaney for more info.
His phone number is (757)397-5550 and has a fax# (757)397-5513 or by email at sales@harleybay.com
They will take deposits on expected bike too.
I would love to see the Autumn Haze color back it is a beauty.....
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My guess is that if it is, it is the powerplant for the H/D trike.
Speaking of trikes... Has anyone heard anything further about the joint effort between H-D & Lehman?
Both principles had media releases way back in August '06 announcing a trike to be part of the MoCo's line up. One would have thought it would have appeared with the '08's. Is it coming with the '09's?
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I do beleave that the Harley / Lehman deal is dead.
Harley is on their own building a trike
You will see a two wheel rear and single front set up, not the two front and single rear
IRS rear end with four shocks
Dean Nelson
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I do beleave that the Harley / Lehman deal is dead.
Harley is on their own building a trike
You will see a two wheel rear and single front set up, not the two front and single rear
IRS rear end with four shocks
Dean Nelson
Hey Dean, haven't talked to you since Sturgis year before last and haven't saw you much on here since then.
Is your information based on inside information or is it just a rumor?
Is DFT working on anything with HD?
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Wow I wonder what will happen to the big plant in Spearfish???
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JCZ
I am always on the site, looking and reading, just don't post much!
Let's just say it is based on rumor.........their was a bike raily in eary May...on the east cost, lots of bikes, some one came up looking at our trikes, had on a staff shirt with a couple of letters on it that we all know.
They look at it and say "gee this looks just like ours"
More to the story, but not going to go their.
New at DFT. The rear end kit is now full reto fit to the 08. It will use the ABS system, disc and hat, and the new rubber belt drive off the bike.
Dean
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No, no , no. That's IROAR. He won the inaugural CVO Golf Tournament. ;D
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I just caught this but I have never been accused of being the brightest bulb on the tree!
Good point!
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I just caught this but I have never been accused of being the brightest bulb on the tree!
Good point!
Bill
A patch brother far wiser than me told me once in regard to a discussion about intelligence, " You only have to be smarter than what it is you're doing "
Words to live by
B B
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So back to the discussion.....Any ideas or knowledge about what the 2009 cvo will be????
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So back to the discussion.....Any ideas or knowledge about what the 2009 cvo will be????
This is being aired out in great detail on the thread about a 2009 SE Road Glide
B B
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This is being aired out in great detail on the thread about a 2009 SE Road Glide
B B
I have been watching this but it is unfortunatle all about the Road glide
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I'm sure this is not the 2009 surprise but service mgr said he was on the EPA site and there was mention of a H-D 2300 cc liquid cooled motor being checked out for EPA certs.
Didn't someone post an EPA application for a 131 ci liquid cooler a while back?
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I honestly believe that if/when the MoCo introduces a liquid cooled motor outside of the V-Rod/Buell platforms it will be a single model issue the first year or so. And my bet is the Ultra-Classic. My gut tells me market research most likely indicates that UC owners are the most amenable to a sea change of that nature. So I suppose given that it looks like there's going to be two bagger models in the CVO lineup this year that the possibility exists that the SEUC will be the new water buffalo. Yes yes yes, it's all speculation and as my wise and sometimes wisea$$ friend Twolanerider pointed it, we have a lot of fun with it every year.
B B
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I honestly believe that if/when the MoCo introduces a liquid cooled motor outside of the V-Rod/Buell platforms it will be a single model issue the first year or so. And my bet is the Ultra-Classic. My gut tells me market research most likely indicates that UC owners are the most amenable to a sea change of that nature. So I suppose given that it looks like there's going to be two bagger models in the CVO lineup this year that the possibility exists that the SEUC will be the new water buffalo. Yes yes yes, it's all speculation and as my wise and sometimes wisea$$ friend Twolanerider pointed it, we have a lot of fun with it every year.
B B
There have been rumors abound that the MoCo has been working on a water-cooled bagger for about 4-5 years now, and beings that the MoCo likes to introduce "new" technologies/accessories in the CVO line-up, a water-cooled SEUC4WC wouldn't be all that far-fetched. JMO.
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There have been rumors abound that the MoCo has been working on a water-cooled bagger for about 4-5 years now, and beings that the MoCo likes to introduce "new" technologies/accessories in the CVO line-up, a water-cooled SEUC4WC wouldn't be all that far-fetched. JMO.
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Hmmm.....Not only head oil leaks to contend with, but coolant leaks as well.
I think I will redo the garage floor next winter. What do you bro's think? :nixweiss:
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I honestly believe that if/when the MoCo introduces a liquid cooled motor outside of the V-Rod/Buell platforms it will be a single model issue the first year or so. And my bet is the Ultra-Classic. My gut tells me market research most likely indicates that UC owners are the most amenable to a sea change of that nature. So I suppose given that it looks like there's going to be two bagger models in the CVO lineup this year that the possibility exists that the SEUC will be the new water buffalo. Yes yes yes, it's all speculation and as my wise and sometimes wisea$$ friend Twolanerider pointed it, we have a lot of fun with it every year.
B B
No wise assed remarks in response here Brian. I'm someone who is very interested in what they'll do with a water cooled engine. Whether anyone likes it or not we know that environmental and other requirements mean we can't keep riding these antique motors forever.
Given Harley's penchant for such fine R&D leading to such exquisite new major product releases (ok, that was wise assed) I certainly wouldn't buy one of their fancy new water cooled engined bikes until they were on the road their third year. But as a general concept I'm still very much interested in the idea and looking forward to seeing what they do.
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Hmmm.....Not only head oil leaks to contend with, but coolant leaks as well.
I think I will redo the garage floor next winter. What do you bro's think? :nixweiss:
Paint your floor black and that way you don't see the oil leaks.... 8) :P
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Paint your floor black and that way you don't see the oil leaks.... 8) :P
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But, what about the coolant leaks??? :huepfenlol2:
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But, what about the coolant leaks??? :huepfenlol2:
Green coolant makes really neat swirl patterns on black paint...wait a minute, maybe that wasn't the coolant........ ::) 8)
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No wise assed remarks in response here Brian. I'm someone who is very interested in what they'll do with a water cooled engine. Whether anyone likes it or not we know that environmental and other requirements mean we can't keep riding these antique motors forever.
Given Harley's penchant for such fine R&D leading to such exquisite new major product releases (ok, that was wise assed) I certainly wouldn't buy one of their fancy new water cooled engined bikes until they were on the road their third year. But as a general concept I'm still very much interested in the idea and looking forward to seeing what they do.
I loved my 05 SE V-Rod, so my mind is wide open to a bagger buffalo
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To bad they do not take a look at what Victory is doing....and apply it to the 110
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Don't think MOCO can use the "Water Buffalo" name, since Suzuki had a 750cc with that name back in the 70's, but maybe a "Screamin Eagle Ultra Caribou 1" or something like that, more of zingy marketing ring to it huh? :nixweiss:
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Don't think MOCO can use the "Water Buffalo" name, since Suzuki had a 750cc with that name back in the 70's, but maybe a "Screamin Eagle Ultra Caribou 1" or something like that, more of zingy marketing ring to it huh? :nixweiss:
The term is generic to any bike with a radiator Joe.
I don't think Suziki trademarked it
Matter of fact I'll bet they weren't pleased with it being hung on their bike
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To bad they do not take a look at what Victory is doing....and apply it to the 110
Seriously Jerry, we both rode the Victorys in Sturgis and they sound alike, perform the same etc....??? You have to admit ...... I know we are still HD guys but...their engine is solid
So is the S&S 127 and they do not have ths issues that the 100 does.....When will HD engineers wake up??
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Seriously Jerry, we both rode the Victorys in Sturgis and they sound alike, perform the same etc....??? You have to admit ...... I know we are still HD guys but...their engine is solid
So is the S&S 127 and they do not have ths issues that the 100 does.....When will HD engineers wake up??
I don't think the HD engineers are asleep they are arrogant , if they didn't come up with it they don't want to use it.. As much as I really hate to say it I think spiderman is right a bagger makes allot of sense and all there competition is water cooled. The other reason it makes sense is if the build a trike they will need better cooling also.
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Seriously Jerry, we both rode the Victorys in Sturgis and they sound alike, perform the same etc....??? You have to admit ...... I know we are still HD guys but...their engine is solid
So is the S&S 127 and they do not have ths issues that the 100 does.....When will HD engineers wake up??
I don't think the HD engineers are asleep they are arrogant , if they didn't come up with it they don't want to use it.. As much as I really hate to say it I think spiderman is right a bagger makes allot of sense and all there competition is water cooled. The other reason it makes sense is if the build a trike they will need better cooling also.
I doubt it is the actual engineers who are asleep or arrogant. It is the management types who only know spreadsheets and financial statements who set the direction at H-D. And then you have the guy in the goofy beret who thinks a Harley should look the way it did 100 years ago, progress be damned. That's OK though, once the current "leadership" dies off or gets run out by the stockholders and board of directors, perhaps the replacement team can at least bring the company into the current century.
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I do NOT envy Harley executives at all. I bet is is an impossible job to balance their product with today's customers considering government regulations.
Harley has built it's client base on the very history and tradition that hampers it very development. It can't very easily talk of tradition and loyalty to the look,feel and sound and in the next breath try to get the loyalist to change to new designs. How many Harley riders do you know that would keep their old bike vs. buying new if Harley went fully water cooled and maybe even shaft drive?
I don't know but I bet the long term owners that would switch to a new design would be in the minority.Unless due to the fact that the average Harley rider is getting older and maybe they will look at the new design as an improvement with more performance and less maintenance.
I think Harley was on the right track of trying to get the younger riders into the dealership with the V-rod and maybe getting them to be loyal customers for life. Where I see a problem is in the cost factor. How will Harley ever get the young riders to switch brands if Harleys cost twice as much as Brand X and can't perform as well and seems to have more maintenance and reliability issues?
I know this website is for Harley lovers and many of us spend thousands of dollars in getting the best performance we can out of this old engine design. But I get looks of amazement from non-Harley riders when they hear about the money spent when all they have to do is turn the key and ride off after spending 1/3 the money I did to buy their new bike with twice the power and performance.
I wish them luck in solving the issues and I hope we can keep riding Harleys for many years to come.
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I do NOT envy Harley executives at all. I bet is is an impossible job to balance their product with today's customers considering government regulations.
Harley has built it's client base on the very history and tradition that hampers it very development. It can't very easily talk of tradition and loyalty to the look,feel and sound and in the next breath try to get the loyalist to change to new designs. How many Harley riders do you know that would keep their old bike vs. buying new if Harley went fully water cooled and maybe even shaft drive?
I don't know but I bet the long term owners that would switch to a new design would be in the minority.Unless due to the fact that the average Harley rider is getting older and maybe they will look at the new design as an improvement with more performance and less maintenance.
I think Harley was on the right track of trying to get the younger riders into the dealership with the V-rod and maybe getting them to be loyal customers for life. Where I see a problem is in the cost factor. How will Harley ever get the young riders to switch brands if Harleys cost twice as much as Brand X and can't perform as well and seems to have more maintenance and reliability issues?
I know this website is for Harley lovers and many of us spend thousands of dollars in getting the best performance we can out of this old engine design. But I get looks of amazement from non-Harley riders when they hear about the money spent when all they have to do is turn the key and ride off after spending 1/3 the money I did to buy their new bike with twice the power and performance.
I wish them luck in solving the issues and I hope we can keep riding Harleys for many years to come.
Actually I do envy them because I recall the way the Execs who ran H-D right after the takeover did their jobs. And you know it seemed in those days they had their fingers on the pulse of their customers better. Now it would seem they've gone back to the Ivory tower approach and leave far too much to Willie G who as has been pointed out has his head stuck in the past too much and marketing surverys that are set up to produce a preordained set of responses. I don't think I'd have any trouble running H-D Inc. It's not like being CEO requires you to do everything for everyone. You make decisions and and a smart man would better position himself to make decisions than what I see going on at present. One facet of my job is to keep the execs in my company informed of what goes on at the pointy end of the spear so to speak. I report every two weeks on a wide variety of issues with both civilian and military sides of the customer equation. I don't find it to be difficult and I usually get a couple commendations a year for doing it well, so I would love to have that responsibility for my favorite pastime. Imagine getting paid to do something you do for fun. What could be better. As to making sure the company was profitable. How hard is that if you deliver what the customer wants. I'm not aware that H-D Inc has ever had issues with product pricing. We as customers seem willing to pay whatever price so long as we like the product(s) This is a real no brainer if you ask me.
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Once again i ask???Why all the problems with the 110's S&S, Revtech, Victory are all making big air cooled engines, most of which have had many less performance problems thatn the 110's.
So if all else fails why not tear them apart and compare till HD can build a better one.....I know that is the old Japan trick but it is still valid.
Maybe I just can not get myself to go to a liq. cooled
Oh well I still like the Screamers and am still excited to see what the models will be for 2009
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The term is generic to any bike with a radiator Joe. I don't think Suziki trademarked it. Matter of fact I'll bet they weren't pleased with it being hung on their bike
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True, B.B., my comments were more tongue-in-cheek about the Buffalo. I think that the Suzy GT750 was the first Japanese serial manufactured motorcycle with a liquid-cooled engine. It carried a "Le Mans" handle in the USA, and soon received the nickname ”Water Buffalo”, and was generally known as ”Kettle” in Britain and ”Waterbottle” in Australia. Back then the Kawasaki ate its lunch as I recall.
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True, B.B., my comments were more tongue-in-cheek about the Buffalo. I think that the Suzy GT750 was the first Japanese serial manufactured motorcycle with a liquid-cooled engine. It carried a "Le Mans" handle in the USA, and soon received the nickname ”Water Buffalo”, and was generally known as ”Kettle” in Britain and ”Waterbottle” in Australia. Back then the Kawasaki ate its lunch as I recall.
The three cylinder Kawa 900 two stroke was at one time the "World's Fastest Production Motorcycle "
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The three cylinder Kawa 900 two stroke was at one time the "World's Fastest Production Motorcycle "
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The three cylinder 2 stroke was a 500 and a 750.
The 900 is a 4 cylinder 4 stroke!
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The three cylinder 2 stroke was a 500 and a 750.
The 900 is a 4 cylinder 4 stroke!
Well well well, look who's back from the beach
And right you are. My memory jogged into gear as I hit the send button
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Are you sunburnt ?
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Well well well, look who's back from the beach
And right you are. My memory jogged into gear as I hit the send button
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Are you sunburnt ?
YUP
Forehead and knees!
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YUP
Forehead and knees! :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Gimme a bit, it'll come to me
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Gimme a bit, it'll come to me
I left it wide open for you.
Hurry up, I don't have all night!
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????? Are you all on the wrong topic??? >:( >:( :-\ :oops:
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????? Are you all on the wrong topic??? >:( >:( :-\ :oops:
Who?
Me?
BB??
Or all of us?
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Who?
Me?
BB??
Or all of us?
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I thought the topic was motorcycles? Or is this the scooter thread?
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I thought the topic was motorcycles? Or is this the scooter thread?
The 09's are out? :nixweiss:
I'll be at the Harley shop in the morning to see if BB's bike has arrived?
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I thought the topic was motorcycles? Or is this the scooter thread?
Give the guy a break Don, he's from LaCrosse Wisconsin
Ever been there ? I passed through quite by accident once
You gotta be an orienteer just to find the place
Anyway, that would explain his sense of direction
Not that it applies to us, we're lost and usually gleefully so :huepfenjump3:
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Not that it applies to us, we're lost and usually gleefully so :huepfenjump3:
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That's the only way to find good Chinese food in BFNebraska :2vrolijk_21: .
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That's the only way to find good Chinese food in BFNebraska :2vrolijk_21: .
While in Sedona, Bubba_T and I had the pleasure of meeting someone who grew up there
Damn, damn , damn my CRS. I believe it was IROAR's Mrs, but I'm not sure
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While in Sedona, Bubba_T and I had the pleasure of meeting someone who grew up there
Damn, damn , damn my CRS. I believe it was IROAR's Mrs, but I'm not sure
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You can ride a long time in BFNebraska and begin to wonder if it's really got people in it.
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Lookin' for the Ch!thead II poll :confused5:
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Give the guy a break Don, he's from LaCrosse Wisconsin
Ever been there ? I passed through quite by accident once
You gotta be an orienteer just to find the place
Anyway, that would explain his sense of direction
Not that it applies to us, we're lost and usually gleefully so :huepfenjump3:
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Proud home of the world headquarters of S&S Cycle - and this years 50th anniversary!
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Proud home of the world headquarters of S&S Cycle - and this years 50th anniversary!
Is that new? Isn't S&S in Viola? :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
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Is that new? Isn't S&S in Viola? :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
They have a manufacturing facility in Viola, but their headquarters is in LaCrosse...
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They have a manufacturing facility in Viola, but their headquarters is in LaCrosse...
Aha, thanks Scott! Along with Trane! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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While in Sedona, Bubba_T and I had the pleasure of meeting someone who grew up there
Damn, damn , damn my CRS. I believe it was IROAR's Mrs, but I'm not sure
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Yeah, she spent her first 8 years in Chadron, Nebraska, which is about 100 miles South of Rapid city.
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Yeah, she spent her first 8 years in Chadron, Nebraska, which is about 100 miles South of Rapid city.
You gotta love Chadron. I almost always camp at the state park there on my way to Sturgis. They'll serve you one heck of a steak there as well. :apple:
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I left it wide open for you.
Hurry up, I don't have all night!
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I'm with BB, I wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole.
And he's being polite.! :o
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I was at a HD Instructor School last month, the word I got is they are bring out water cooled bikes in the touring models!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You may be correct. For the last three years the California EPA has issued approval on motors in April for HD. this year they have yet to post the results for the HD 2009 models..Must be some big changes???? Usually this is the best localtion to see what the next year's Screamers will be.
Better keep watch on their site
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php
Kwangyangs are updated but not HDs.
You may be correct. For the last three years the California EPA has issued approval on motors in April for HD. this year they have yet to post the results for the HD 2009 models..Must be some big changes???? Usually this is the best localtion to see what the next year's Screamers will be.
Better keep watch on their site
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...found this for what its worth. Doc
http://www.hdforums.com/m_3299333/tm.htm
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...found this for what its worth. Doc
http://www.hdforums.com/m_3299333/tm.htm
interesting
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interesting
I didn't read the whole thread till now and the SERG seems to be MIA on this list. :'( Doc
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That thread has nothing to do with the CVO bikes, it is only the custom paint sets and the paint on other bikes. That document would never list CVO bikes. Think about it the color list always comes out and the dealers don't know about new as yet unannounced bikes like the new CVO lineup until the summer dealer meeting. But soon we will know for sure and the speculation will die down for another year.
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I s'pose that if it existed, the d00derator or someone would have uncovered it by now, but I'll ask. I noticed on one of the threads some spy pics of the new Chevy Camaro from a website devoted to spying out issues with new automobile models. Does a similar thing exist for motorcycles ? If so, could someone post a link.
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I s'pose that if it existed, the d00derator or someone would have uncovered it by now, but I'll ask. I noticed on one of the threads some spy pics of the new Chevy Camaro from a website devoted to spying out issues with new automobile models. Does a similar thing exist for motorcycles ? If so, could someone post a link.
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You know I have wondered the same thing before. It must be that there is not enough big bucks in the moto mag business or there would be spy shots of the new motos each year like they have with cars each year. I mean we all know they do ride these new bikes out in public places before their release, I assume they would have to. At least we know that when they do the release each year they have all these photos and videos of the new bikes on the public roads that they put up on the HD website immediatley on the day they announce hte bikes. Would be nice if one of these days some one stalked them out and got some shots of the new bikes ahead of time.
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I'm thinking they may be out there, but they are so disguised that we don't know them when we see them. :nixweiss: My guess is they are going around w/rattle can paint jobs to be passed off as somebody's home build. For instance on the CVO's all of the additional bling pieces come direct from the P&A catalog, and I can't see any reason for them to need to test the paint. If I remember correctly when the MoCo made the documentary "Making of the V-Rod" the prototype bike that they used for testing had a flat black (rattle can) paint job. Also I know at least the MoCo has private testing grounds where they can do endurance runs w/their bikes.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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sure if you lean em out enough
Naitram,
I am currently looking into buying a 2002 flhrse similar to yours. My question is about the fairing on yours. Was it a factory option or did you buy an aftermarket one and have it painted to match?? Forgive my stupidity. ??? ???
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Naitram,
I am currently looking into buying a 2002 flhrse similar to yours. My question is about the fairing on yours. Was it a factory option or did you buy an aftermarket one and have it painted to match?? Forgive my stupidity. ??? ???
Two companies making fairings for Road Kings and other non faired models. (Actually I'm sure there's others, but for the sake of simplicity we'll stick with these two) Hoppe Industries and Dragonfly. Naitrams is a Dragonfly. I'll let him speak to it for himself. I had a Hoppe on my 03 SERK. Different approach to the issue than Dragonfly but the same end result. You make an Electra-Glide out of a Road King.
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if you dont yet have a bike and want and electra glide then get an electra glide.....
dont trey and make one out of a road king
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if you dont yet have a bike and want and electra glide then get an electra glide.....
dont trey and make one out of a road king.
Amen! :2vrolijk_21: :drink:
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if you dont yet have a bike and want and electra glide then get an electra glide.....
dont trey and make one out of a road king
Having been there, done that and spent a bundle doing so I concur 100% with the above.
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That thread has nothing to do with the CVO bikes, it is only the custom paint sets and the paint on other bikes. That document would never list CVO bikes. Think about it the color list always comes out and the dealers don't know about new as yet unannounced bikes like the new CVO lineup until the summer dealer meeting. But soon we will know for sure and the speculation will die down for another year.
Saw this in the post, what does it mean?
THE CUSTOM VEHICLE PROGRAM ALSO RETURNS WITH 3 NEW COLORS OFFERED OVER THE YEAR ON THE ROAD KING CLASSIC, THE ULTRA, THE STREET GLIDE AND SELECTED SOFTAIL, DYNA, SPORTSTER, AND VRSC MODELS. 2009 MODEL YEAR MODEL CHANGES MODEL DISCONTINUES – VRSCD, FXDWG, XL883, and XL1200R 2009 MODEL YEAR VRSC MODELS WILL NOW SHOW ABS BRAKES AS AN OPTION VERSUS BEING A DIFFERENT MODEL 2009MY NEW MODEL DETAIL – DETAILS PROVIDED AT THE SUMMER DEALER MEETING
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Saw this in the post, what does it mean?
THE CUSTOM VEHICLE PROGRAM ALSO RETURNS WITH 3 NEW COLORS OFFERED OVER THE YEAR ON THE ROAD KING CLASSIC, THE ULTRA, THE STREET GLIDE AND SELECTED SOFTAIL, DYNA, SPORTSTER, AND VRSC MODELS. 2009 MODEL YEAR MODEL CHANGES MODEL DISCONTINUES – VRSCD, FXDWG, XL883, and XL1200R 2009 MODEL YEAR VRSC MODELS WILL NOW SHOW ABS BRAKES AS AN OPTION VERSUS BEING A DIFFERENT MODEL 2009MY NEW MODEL DETAIL – DETAILS PROVIDED AT THE SUMMER DEALER MEETING
I think it means somebody didn't put punctuation marks in the proper places is all, but hey, Oliver Stone the hell out of it. We all do it and it's a lot of fun.
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I think it means somebody didn't put punctuation marks in the proper places is all, but hey, Oliver Stone the hell out of it. We all do it and it's a lot of fun.
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Not sure I follow? :-\
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Not sure I follow? :-\
Rob,
I believe the area of debate is the use of the term "Custome Vehicle Program." Does that mean CVO colors, or are they talking about custom paint sets. My assumption is they are talking about the paint sets and not CVO bikes. If it were CVO that would make a CVO from every H-D family next year.
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I wonder if they will cut back on the number and /or quantity of Screamers for 2009 ??l
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Saw this in the post, what does it mean?
THE CUSTOM VEHICLE PROGRAM ALSO RETURNS WITH 3 NEW COLORS OFFERED OVER THE YEAR ON THE ROAD KING CLASSIC, THE ULTRA, THE STREET GLIDE AND SELECTED SOFTAIL, DYNA, SPORTSTER, AND VRSC MODELS. 2009 MODEL YEAR MODEL CHANGES MODEL DISCONTINUES – VRSCD, FXDWG, XL883, and XL1200R 2009 MODEL YEAR VRSC MODELS WILL NOW SHOW ABS BRAKES AS AN OPTION VERSUS BEING A DIFFERENT MODEL 2009MY NEW MODEL DETAIL – DETAILS PROVIDED AT THE SUMMER DEALER MEETING
I'm pretty sure they're talking about the factory custom paint sets. The MoCo usually comes out with 3 or 4 color combinations and they're usually very limited in production. (Some sets I've seen have been numbered as low as x of 150.) Normally they release a couple colors at the start of the new model year, then release a couple of new sets after the 1st of the calendar year. Looks like they're only doing 3 sets this year. :nixweiss: Don't believe it has anything to do with CVO's.
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Rob,
I believe the area of debate is the use of the term "Custome Vehicle Program." Does that mean CVO colors, or are they talking about custom paint sets. My assumption is they are talking about the paint sets and not CVO bikes. If it were CVO that would make a CVO from every H-D family next near.
I'm pretty sure they're talking about the factory custom paint sets. The MoCo usually comes out with 3 or 4 color combinations and they're usually very limited in production. (Some sets I've seen have been numbered as low as x of 150.) Normally they release a couple colors at the start of the new model year, then release a couple of new sets after the 1st of the calendar year. Looks like they're only doing 3 sets this year. Don't believe it has anything to do with CVO's.
Ohhhhhh........Okay, I got it. Sorry, I'm still suffering from riding in an oven for 8 hours yesterday!! :P
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Ohhhhhh........Okay, I got it. Sorry, I'm still suffering from riding in an oven for 8 hours yesterday!! :P
No worries Robmay, I've done the "brain fry" thing once or twice too. :P
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I wonder if they will cut back on the number and /or quantity of Screamers for 2009 ??l
Thoughts????
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I'm just guessing here, but I'd venture to guess that along with cutting back on the "production" motorcycles, they will probably cut back on the CVO's also. I've seen more CVO's sitting on showroom floors this year then I ever have. Seems like every dealership I've been in, they have 3 or 4 of them sitting on the floor. One dealership I was in recently had two SEUCs (Canyon Red and Anniversary), 2 SERKs (Blue and Anniversary), Anniversary Springer, and Dyna. If they go with 4 CVO models again this year, I think that there will be less of them. JMO.
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RED DEVIL,
I agree. I am seeing a lot of Screamers on the show room floors. (new and used) I actually hope they cut back so our bikes keep their value.
Sure wish we knew what the 2009 models are going to be ...
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RED DEVIL,
I agree. I am seeing a lot of Screamers on the show room floors. (new and used) I actually hope they cut back so our bikes keep their value.
Sure wish we knew what the 2009 models are going to be ...
Well, I think there's going to be an FLHTCUSE4. The MoCo has found a very popular model in the SEUC. I also saw a luggage rack wing that had listed on the box for FLHTCUSE4. Also, there's a dealer that reportedly got a shipment list already stating they were getting an 09 SERG in July or something like that. So could there be a Road Glide in the SE lineup this year? Possibly, it's due. But I guess we'll have to wait until after the dealer show in July to find out.
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I don't care if it's only a Sportster, I'm 'gonna trade my '08 USE3 because it's becoming way too labor intensive. For example, yesterday I had to check the tire pressure! When you have to go through crap like that it's time to trade em off. If I keep it any longer, I may have to wash it!! Ridiculous!! I don't have time for crap like that. Bring on the '09s!
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Actually a sporty with a 110 would be pretty cool....
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Actually a sporty with a 110 would be pretty cool....
Yah way cool it would need a seatbelt though
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Rob,
I believe the area of debate is the use of the term "Custome Vehicle Program." Does that mean CVO colors, or are they talking about custom paint sets. My assumption is they are talking about the paint sets and not CVO bikes. If it were CVO that would make a CVO from every H-D family next year.
If they were talking about paint sets, it would read Custom Paint Program. Since the
term "Vehicle" is being used it has to refer to a particular motorcycle. Possibly the
CVO line. IMO
Mark
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You are correct. This color info has nothing to do with the 2009 vehicle models.
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Just left the local HD dealer this afternoon with helping a buddy buy an 08 Street Glide. Talking with the GM, he plays dumb and acts like he doesn't know and will not know until July when the dealer show hits. He says it because of production is slowing due to the market. He did mention that SEUC has lived its' life and that the moco is beating a dead horse with it now. He says it's tough to sell a SEUC now because there is so many of them and SEEGs that some people (like me) prefer.
No mention of any new changes, but he was just trying to sell a bike, so he being a sales professional, did not want to comment on the upcoming changes. So, I rode my 05 SEEG with 8500 miles to the restaurant and had a beer, steak, and another beer. Then I rode my beautiful SEEG home where it will stay for a very long time.
P.s. I put a totally unnecessary part on this weekend, the screamin eagle cone air filter, actually runs better, I think! Ok, it looks bad a$$!!
I wonder what is the ratio of cvo vs. moco stock bikes is? Yes the SEUC will be high number, but what about the dyna, fat boys, etc. No need to mention the springer, because the only model besides the springer cvo is the new crossbones.
OK, I'll stop venting, besides everyone only reads the first two lines anyway.
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When I say my SEEG will stay for a very long time, I meant that it will be a permanent fixture of my vehicle collection, if you could call it that. Can you count lawn mowers as a vehicle?
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All good points.
I sure wish they would do a street glide or or something different like a softail clasic
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Just left the local HD dealer this afternoon with helping a buddy buy an 08 Street Glide. Talking with the GM, he plays dumb and acts like he doesn't know and will not know until July when the dealer show hits. He says it because of production is slowing due to the market. He did mention that SEUC has lived its' life and that the moco is beating a dead horse with it now. He says it's tough to sell a SEUC now because there is so many of them and SEEGs that some people (like me) prefer.
No mention of any new changes, but he was just trying to sell a bike, so he being a sales professional, did not want to comment on the upcoming changes. So, I rode my 05 SEEG with 8500 miles to the restaurant and had a beer, steak, and another beer. Then I rode my beautiful SEEG home where it will stay for a very long time.
P.s. I put a totally unnecessary part on this weekend, the screamin eagle cone air filter, actually runs better, I think! Ok, it looks bad a$$!! I wonder what is the ratio of cvo vs. moco stock bikes is? Yes the SEUC will be high number, but what about the dyna, fat boys, etc. No need to mention the springer, because the only model besides the springer cvo is the new crossbones.
OK, I'll stop venting, besides everyone only reads the first two lines anyway.
As to the red section, we have a thread going just on that subject
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Just left the local HD dealer this afternoon with helping a buddy buy an 08 Street Glide. Talking with the GM, he plays dumb and acts like he doesn't know and will not know until July when the dealer show hits. He says it because of production is slowing due to the market. He did mention that SEUC has lived its' life and that the moco is beating a dead horse with it now. He says it's tough to sell a SEUC now because there is so many of them and SEEGs that some people (like me) prefer.
No mention of any new changes, but he was just trying to sell a bike, so he being a sales professional, did not want to comment on the upcoming changes. So, I rode my 05 SEEG with 8500 miles to the restaurant and had a beer, steak, and another beer. Then I rode my beautiful SEEG home where it will stay for a very long time.
P.s. I put a totally unnecessary part on this weekend, the screamin eagle cone air filter, actually runs better, I think! Ok, it looks bad a$$!!
I wonder what is the ratio of cvo vs. moco stock bikes is? Yes the SEUC will be high number, but what about the dyna, fat boys, etc. No need to mention the springer, because the only model besides the springer cvo is the new crossbones.
OK, I'll stop venting, besides everyone only reads the first two lines anyway.
that's a ridiculous thing for any GM to even suggest. where did this guy come from, a Yamaha store?
UC's are like the Chevy Suburban of the HD lineup, without the 12mpg / 40gallon tank headaches @ $4+ / gallon.
IMO there are two bikes which are guaranteed to be around forever in the HD lineup. Sporty's & Ultra Classics.
I am however quite amused at the range of BS you hear on sales floors from dealer to dealer. Seems like they'll say anything to reinforce a potential customer's point of view sometimes.
anyway enough :soapbox:
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OK
Here's a few facts.
Not just, I heard it from whoso at the Harley Shop.
The 2009 colors
AND NO, THERE ARE NO 2009 SCREAMING EAGLE COLORS LISTED.
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page 3
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page 4
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The whole book on my SERG.
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I like these colors.
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I have a great relationship with my dealer.
I was asked if I wanted to go to the Dealer Show to preview the 2009's.
My response was, "Only if Nancy can go also."
We shall see!
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For a larger view click on the link for each picture!
Sorry about the reflections.
SBB
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For a larger view click on the link for each picture!
Sorry about the reflections.
SBB
"reflections" ???? I thought at 1st that they were identifing the 'ghost' thumb-prints that you may or may not get in your new paint. :o har! spyder
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I have a great relationship with my dealer.
I was asked if I wanted to go to the Dealer Show to preview the 2009's.
My response was, "Only if Nancy can go also."
We shall see!
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If that's the case Chip, your dealer quite possibly may possess a hidden profit center.
Think he would be interested in holding customer relation classes for the A'hole dealers I'm stuck with up here??
Good for you if you got a good one :2vrolijk_21:
Howie
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No YELLOW :bananarock: :bananarock: :bananarock: :bananarock:
I will not be buying an 09 (wouldn't consider a 110 even if the color was to die for)
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I have a great relationship with my dealer.
I was asked if I wanted to go to the Dealer Show to preview the 2009's.
My response was, "Only if Nancy can go also."
We shall see!
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Like you always say buddy , it's the Golden Rule
" He with the gold rules " :party:
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If that's the case Chip, your dealer quite possibly may possess a hidden profit center.
Think he would be interested in holding customer relation classes for the A'hole dealers I'm stuck with up here??
Good for you if you got a good one :2vrolijk_21:
Howie
Hey Buddy!
When JC and Andy and others were here from California, I asked and my dealer took them on a after hours tour of Harley Davidson of Charlotte.
The owner then sat down with all of us in his office and answered any questions the group had.
Ken Lipack is a great guy that understands customer satisfaction is job #1. And he treat all of us accordingly and expects the same of his people!
Being the chithead that I am, you can be assured that I am also very loyal in return. I know which side my bread is buttered on.
When the dealer presentation was done for the 03's Ken called me at home and said, "I switched the color on your dresser from gun metal pearl to silver and black"
How can I argue with a man that knows what I like!
I just wish it was like that for everone!
Would be a lot easier.
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Like you always say buddy , it's the Golden Rule
" He with the gold rules " :party:
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Right on. ;D :drink:
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I think a lot more dealers will get more friendly with lack of sales
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I think a lot more dealers will get more friendly with lack of sales
i'd like to believe that
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i'd like to believe that
Ditto!
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I think a lot more dealers will get more friendly with lack of sales
For some, it's a matter of what my Dad used to say to someone he didn't care for
" Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance "
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For some, it's a matter of what my Dad used to say to someone he didn't care for
" Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance "
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An old timer I knew always said...You're educated beyond your intelligence.
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An old timer I knew always said...You're educated beyond your intelligence.
Quite the compliment. ;D
Did he like you ? ???
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Back to the topic.....I wonder what models the 2009 cvo's will be and how many they will produce....
My bet is a much reduced # of models and much reduced quantitiy. the question is Rode Glide??? Street Glide???
ultra? electa glide???Softail classic???
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I read someone said Road Glide & Ultra, I'll go with that. Plus I'll raise you another year for the springer & (my dark horse) a Fat Bob. Howbout them apples. Let's Roll
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I read someone said Road Glide & Ultra, I'll go with that. Plus I'll raise you another year for the springer & (my dark horse) a Fat Bob. Howbout them apples. Let's Roll
Road Glide and Ultra the same year?? :confused5: Has that ever been done?
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Road Glide and Ultra the same year?? :confused5: Has that ever been done?
Nope but he MOCO is already in uncharted territory running the Ultra for 3 years straight when in the past the models were 2 year runs then on to the next best thing.
I personally would not be surprised to see them do that. Even though they sell out fairly easily on any CVO bagger they come out with you do have to admit some of the softails have lagged in the speed of sales by comparison.
You know the MOCO has had an earful from diehard RG fans over the last several years at every opportunity encouraging them to put out another CVO RG. If it is not this year it will come I am pretty sure of that. If they don't they have just stiffed a large group of loyal HD customers.
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FLH20 2009?
http://www.r3owners.com/viewtopic.php?p=165479&sid=0ffb400420af46edebb22d779fbf6551
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FLH20 2009?
http://www.r3owners.com/viewtopic.php?p=165479&sid=0ffb400420af46edebb22d779fbf6551
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That is pretty funny. Cool someone took such time and effort to create that. Strange that did not make the rounds a little more back on April fools day.
Good one.
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I really love the looks of my bat wing fairing, but I am becoming a
fan of the Road Glide. I rode one and felt less turbulance and wind
buffeting. A more comfortable ride.
So I want to see a 2009 CVO Road Glide ULTRA style with king TP
4 speakers etc. A 113 would be nice also. Oh yea, it has got to
come in YELLOW. And drop the CVO Ultra.
I would also like to see a CVO Road King, And a CVO Rocker instead
of the springer.
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Stopped yesterday afternoon to kick tires at the Honda House. The tricked out goldwings are pretty cool. If HD does not do a RG soon, I think one member of our family may just trade a bnb for one of those. If he could sell it for 20,000, the GW is paid for.
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I've been eyeing the BMW K1200. Took one for a test drive last April. Love it to pieces. Very, Very tempting. One thing i did notice on test drive, i had two different vehicles on the freeway come over into my lane, i had to scoot over. The thing is so quiet, no one knows your around. Never have this problem with the Harley, I wonder what a Beamer sounds like with a set of true duals ;D
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I've been eyeing the BMW K1200. Took one for a test drive last April. Love it to pieces. Very, Very tempting. One thing i did notice on test drive, i had two different vehicles on the freeway come over into my lane, i had to scoot over. The thing is so quiet, no one knows your around. Never have this problem with the Harley, I wonder what a Beamer sounds like with a set of true duals ;D
The problem with all of the metric touring bikes is the riders position. You sit jockey style with your knees bent at a 45 degree angle and your feet directly below your hips. I'd take a serious look at a Beemer myself were it not for that.
JMO
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I really love the looks of my bat wing fairing, but I am becoming a
fan of the Road Glide. I rode one and felt less turbulance and wind
buffeting. A more comfortable ride.
So I want to see a 2009 CVO Road Glide ULTRA style with king TP
4 speakers etc. A 113 would be nice also. Oh yea, it has got to
come in YELLOW. And drop the CVO Ultra.
I would also like to see a CVO Road King, And a CVO Rocker instead
of the springer.
there's been a CVO road King in '02 '03 '07 and '08........
now a CVO rocker would be interesting, but I don't think HD would do it because it's still too new yet.
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I've been eyeing the BMW K1200. Took one for a test drive last April. Love it to pieces. Very, Very tempting. One thing i did notice on test drive, i had two different vehicles on the freeway come over into my lane, i had to scoot over. The thing is so quiet, no one knows your around. Never have this problem with the Harley, I wonder what a Beamer sounds like with a set of true duals ;D
Probably like chit beings it's a four cylinder. :D I had the first model of the "flying brick" a K100LT that I got while I was stationed in England. It was a fun bike to ride, and fast, but very uncomfortable for me. Even when I was at my "fighting weight" in the Navy, it was too cramped of a riding position for me. The problem with both of those machines, the Beemer and the GW, is that the valve train is louder than the exhaust. It may be just me, but those bikes have no "soul". They're just a bunch of plastic on two wheels. IMO.
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Has anyone on the site done anything more than laugh at the pictures of the Victory Touring bike. ?
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Has anyone on the site done anything more than laugh at the pictures of the Victory Touring bike. ?
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I haven't ridden one, but did sit on one. The seat was hard, but relatively comfortable. The thing that bothered me, besides the looks, was when sitting on it, the windshield seemed to be a "million miles" away. I couldn't believe how stretched out that bike was. :-\
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Has anyone on the site done anything more than laugh at the pictures of the Victory Touring bike. ?
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I first saw this bike when my bike was broken down in Nelson in 07. The bike intrigued me then. I've read about it and a lot of reviews. There is a shop just a mile from the house and I have not tried to sit on the beast. But it sure does look good as far as the stats go. Someone here told me that my legs would be too short for the bike, but I have not sat on it. I was also told the same about the Gold Wings, and I sat on one yesterday, Jamey is truly looking hard at it, but I could not even pull the bike to an upright position. This has me somewhat confused as I have seen some very short men, much shorter than I, riding these bikes. Even though I've heard a lot of folks say they hate or strongly do not like the look of the Vision, truly, I find it intriguing. Not that I am personally looking for a new bike, but I think there is change in the winds.
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I have looked at the Kawasaki Concours 14. That is a very impressive bike for the money. It is a very tall bike and I would have to consider a lowering kit , maybe some how enlarge the shifter and a taller shield. But you can get if full dress with ABS for about $13,000 or so. I know it's plastic and metric but water cooled and shaft drive with tons of HP and performance.
I still would like to see HD go to water cooling on a RoadGlide.
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Stopped yesterday afternoon to kick tires at the Honda House. The tricked out goldwings are pretty cool. If HD does not do a RG soon, I think one member of our family may just trade a bnb for one of those. If he could sell it for 20,000, the GW is paid for.
AAAAAGGGGGHHHHHHH say it aint so
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I first saw this bike when my bike was broken down in Nelson in 07. The bike intrigued me then. I've read about it and a lot of reviews. There is a shop just a mile from the house and I have not tried to sit on the beast. But it sure does look good as far as the stats go. Someone here told me that my legs would be too short for the bike, but I have not sat on it. I was also told the same about the Gold Wings, and I sat on one yesterday, Jamey is truly looking hard at it, but I could not even pull the bike to an upright position. This has me somewhat confused as I have seen some very short men, much shorter than I, riding these bikes. Even though I've heard a lot of folks say they hate or strongly do not like the look of the Vision, truly, I find it intriguing. Not that I am personally looking for a new bike, but I think there is change in the winds.
I can't answer your questions about ride height Candy, but a friend told me something very interesting about a Victory. According to my buddy, if you tip a Victory over on it's side it will rest on the front and rear guards. You cannot make the sheet metal contact the ground. These bikes have purportedly been designed to withstand being laid down at highway speeds with minimal damage if they don't contact another vehicle. Given that these bikes are made in America, if anyone close to you is considering saying Hasta La Vista to Harley-Davidson, I would strongly suggest they take a look at Victory. The thought has crossed my mind on more than one occasion to take the TP etc off LD and make it an around the county day tripper and look into another brand for cross country riding.
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I first saw this bike when my bike was broken down in Nelson in 07. The bike intrigued me then. I've read about it and a lot of reviews. There is a shop just a mile from the house and I have not tried to sit on the beast. But it sure does look good as far as the stats go. Someone here told me that my legs would be too short for the bike, but I have not sat on it. I was also told the same about the Gold Wings, and I sat on one yesterday, Jamey is truly looking hard at it, but I could not even pull the bike to an upright position. This has me somewhat confused as I have seen some very short men, much shorter than I, riding these bikes. Even though I've heard a lot of folks say they hate or strongly do not like the look of the Vision, truly, I find it intriguing. Not that I am personally looking for a new bike, but I think there is change in the winds.
They have an adjustable suspension so it can be lowered by setting,but in the showroom it's always different you don't want to bang another bike so if you were nervous then it would be difficult to do.
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I can't answer your questions about ride height Candy, but a friend told me something very interesting about a Victory. According to my buddy, if you tip a Victory over on it's side it will rest on the front and rear guards. You cannot make the sheet metal contact the ground. These bikes have purportedly been designed to withstand being laid down at highway speeds with minimal damage if they don't contact another vehicle. Given that these bikes are made in America, if anyone close to you is considering saying Hasta La Vista to Harley-Davidson, I would strongly suggest they take a look at Victory. The thought has crossed my mind on more than one occasion to take the TP etc off LD and make it an around the county day tripper and look into another brand for cross country riding.
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very interesting.....enguneering
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I first saw this bike when my bike was broken down in Nelson in 07. The bike intrigued me then. I've read about it and a lot of reviews. There is a shop just a mile from the house and I have not tried to sit on the beast. But it sure does look good as far as the stats go. Someone here told me that my legs would be too short for the bike, but I have not sat on it. I was also told the same about the Gold Wings, and I sat on one yesterday, Jamey is truly looking hard at it, but I could not even pull the bike to an upright position. This has me somewhat confused as I have seen some very short men, much shorter than I, riding these bikes. Even though I've heard a lot of folks say they hate or strongly do not like the look of the Vision, truly, I find it intriguing. Not that I am personally looking for a new bike, but I think there is change in the winds.
Mrs. We,
I am a 5'4" inseam challenged person, in 2001 I started riding again after being off bikes for 10 yrs.
I picked a 2001 GW1800 to start riding again, I still have it and it runs great.
To answer the question on a inseam challenged person being able to hande a GW, it's just a matter of balance.
You get rid of the pegs and put flip-up floor boards and toe/heel shifter on it, and you will do just fine.
I know, I have a crush and run gravel drive way to negotiate with any bike. This also means the 07 CUSE2.
JMHO
Vagabond
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I can't answer your questions about ride height Candy, but a friend told me something very interesting about a Victory. According to my buddy, if you tip a Victory over on it's side it will rest on the front and rear guards. You cannot make the sheet metal contact the ground. These bikes have purportedly been designed to withstand being laid down at highway speeds with minimal damage if they don't contact another vehicle. Given that these bikes are made in America, if anyone close to you is considering saying Hasta La Vista to Harley-Davidson, I would strongly suggest they take a look at Victory. The thought has crossed my mind on more than one occasion to take the TP etc off LD and make it an around the county day tripper and look into another brand for cross country riding.
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Yeah, they were showing that at a bike show we went to.
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Yeah, they were showing that at a bike show we went to.
where was that?
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Ford Expo Center here in Colorado Springs. The picture is dated 5/13.
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where was that?
I saw that demonstration at the February Motorcycle show in the Rosemont Convention Center near Chicago...
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Ford Expo Center here in Colorado Springs. The picture is dated 5/13.
huh
cool
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Mrs. We,
I am a 5'4" inseam challenged person, in 2001 I started riding again after being off bikes for 10 yrs.
I picked a 2001 GW1800 to start riding again, I still have it and it runs great.
To answer the question on a iinseam challenged person being able to hande a GW, it's just a matter of balance.
You get rid of the pegs and put flip-up floor boards and toe/heel shifter on it, and you will do just fine.
I know, I have a crush and run gravel drive way to negotiate with any bike. This also means the 07 CUSE2.
JMHO
Vagabond
I'm really not trying to turn this 2009 HD thread into an alternative bike discussion, but I sure appreciate your insight. I have no trouble riding any bike that I can reach the obvious on - clutch, brake, throttle. But riding is never my trouble. My trouble is those few occasions when you have to come to a stop. I have long ago learned how to manage doing that with only one leg, but sometimes that can be quite a stretch. Glad to hear the vote of confidence that there is a way and Wayne I asked about the up and down button, but the silly salesperson batting her eyes at my husband did not grasp the concept that perhaps this couple may be looking for a couple of bikes and so did not understand my question. I figured if I was interested enough, I'd pop over on a website and surf my own answers.
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Yeah, they were showing that at a bike show we went to.
I like the fact that you can do that!
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I like the fact that you can do that!
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I really like the functionality of those, but when I saw the Vision up close and personal, I thought they were butt-ugly and Victory could have made them look a little better. They stick out like stabilizers, but then again, IMO, they don't detract from an already uuugly motorcycle.
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I really like the functionality of those, but when I saw the Vision up close and personal, I thought they were butt-ugly and Victory could have made them look a little better. They stick out like stabilizers, but then again, IMO, they don't detract from an already uuugly motorcycle.
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I agree!
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There's three guys who have a metric shop here in town and they eat breakfast at the local diner I go to together on weekends when they're closed and go riding somewhere. I was looking at their bikes before I went into the diner yesterday. By our standards they were all ugly. Everyone of them. However, they were very well thought out and set up from a functionality standpoint. As I was eating breakfast, I thought about the things we talk about here on the site and what our general comments are on metric motorcycles and I realized as a rule we put form ahead of function whereas your average metric rider puts function ahead of form. It's only in the past couple years we've seen really tricked out crotch rockets with outrageous paint and chrome, wheels etc. And they still make sure the bike has about a bazillion or so HP before they get into the trick cosmetic stuff. So thinking about the whole sport of motorcycling from that standpoint, What is the Victory bagger ? Function before form. The engineers and designers came together to create a motorcycle that did A, B, C and D and then worked the rough edges a bit. Tell me it's not the reverse at H-D ?
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I'm really not trying to turn this 2009 HD thread into an alternative bike discussion, but I sure appreciate your insight. I have no trouble riding any bike that I can reach the obvious on - clutch, brake, throttle. But riding is never my trouble. My trouble is those few occasions when you have to come to a stop. I have long ago learned how to manage doing that with only one leg, but sometimes that can be quite a stretch. Glad to hear the vote of confidence that there is a way and Wayne I asked about the up and down button, but the silly salesperson batting her eyes at my husband did not grasp the concept that perhaps this couple may be looking for a couple of bikes and so did not understand my question. I figured if I was interested enough, I'd pop over on a website and surf my own answers.
On the GW the buttons will only function when in neutral and stopped. They will regulate how much pressure you want in the rear shock. On the 01 there are two "memo" to save what settings you want. I set one for parking the bike and the other one for riding. I haven't looked at the 08's. So I don't know if that feature still exist.
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There's three guys who have a metric shop here in town and they eat breakfast at the local diner I go to together on weekends when they're closed and go riding somewhere. I was looking at their bikes before I went into the diner yesterday. By our standards they were all ugly. Everyone of them. However, they were very well thought out and set up from a functionality standpoint. As I was eating breakfast, I thought about the things we talk about here on the site and what our general comments are on metric motorcycles and I realized as a rule we put form ahead of function whereas your average metric rider puts function ahead of form. It's only in the past couple years we've seen really tricked out crotch rockets with outrageous paint and chrome, wheels etc. And they still make sure the bike has about a bazillion or so HP before they get into the trick cosmetic stuff. So thinking about the whole sport of motorcycling from that standpoint, What is the Victory bagger ? Function before form. The engineers and designers came together to create a motorcycle that did A, B, C and D and then worked the rough edges a bit. Tell me it's not the reverse at H-D ?
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No doubt BB...HD is about image and looks (why else would we chrome the bejesus out of our rides otherwise?). I think that Victory had a golden opportunity, in my eyes at least, to come out with a bagger that worked both ways, they got the function down really good (except no ABS), but really blew it on the form side of the house.
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No doubt BB...HD is about image and looks (why else would we chrome the bejesus out of our rides otherwise?). I think that Victory had a golden opportunity, in my eyes at least, to come out with a bagger that worked both ways, they got the function down really good (except no ABS), but really blew it on the form side of the house.
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Do you have a dog ? What breed ? Do you have a preference ? Here's the deal. My dog Mickey is 1/2 Dalmation and 1/2 Boxer. The Dalmation in him cancelled out the Boxer in the looks department and everyone who sees him thinks he's the coolest dog they ever saw. On the other hand Beagle has a full blooded brindle boxer named Milo. Milo is so damn ugly he's cool. Too cool for school that dog. Cooler than Jimmy Dean, Bob Dylan or the Rolling Stones. But he's fugly no doubt. Do you get my drift ?
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Do you have a dog ? What breed ? Do you have a preference ? Here's the deal. My dog Mickey is 1/2 Dalmation and 1/2 Boxer. The Dalamation in him cancelled out the Boxer in the looks department and everyone who sees him thinks he's the coolest dog they ever saw. On the other hand Beagle has a full blooded brindle boxer named Milo. Milo is so damn ugly he's cool. Too cool for school that dog. Cooler than Jimmy Dean, Bob Dylan or the Rolling Stones. But he's fugly no doubt. Do you get my drift ?
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so..... your saying that Victory monstrosity is so fugly that it'd be cool to ride? huh
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I know that the bling and flashy stuff can be added to any bike but what gets me about Harley at times is the fact that it's hard to just turn the key on the bike and ride. Usually you have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to get it to run properly. The metric bikes can run properly right out of the box and they don't need many mods. I do agree they are dependable transportation and that they don't have the character of a Harley. Yet I feel if the MOCO truly believed that blank slate PR stuff Willie G spouts then we would be able to order our CVO bikes from the factory with all the parts we want and not have to add them after spending so much for the bike to begin with. I know they would hate to give up the profit from parts sales and labor to install.
They could eliminate the effect of so many CVOs sitting on showroom floors since they are made like the MOCO wants it to be not necessarily the way we want it to be. Let us look at a parts book and then place order with all options , that way none are made unless a deposit is made thus a guaranteed sale.
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so..... your saying that Victory monstrosity is so fugly that it'd be cool to ride? huh
Is that what he said? :nixweiss:
I think he was saying cool is in the eye of the beholder. The pretty dog is coolest to some and the ugly dog is the coolest to others. I don't know if the victory dog is cool to anyone though.
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Coupla neat features but. Yech
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so..... your saying that Victory monstrosity is so fugly that it'd be cool to ride? huh
Or, you could just do a 'rat bike'. ::) har! spyder
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Do you have a dog ? What breed ? Do you have a preference ? Here's the deal. My dog Mickey is 1/2 Dalmation and 1/2 Boxer. The Dalamation in him cancelled out the Boxer in the looks department and everyone who sees him thinks he's the coolest dog they ever saw. On the other hand Beagle has a full blooded brindle boxer named Milo. Milo is so damn ugly he's cool. Too cool for school that dog. Cooler than Jimmy Dean, Bob Dylan or the Rolling Stones. But he's fugly no doubt. Do you get my drift ?
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Actually, I have cats. ;) And they are Himalayans; good looking, fun to have, but finicky. Just like my HDs. Good looking, fun to ride, but finicky. That's the personality of both. I probably would have bought a Victory Vision had they been a little less "Cylon" looking. My nephew owns a Victory Kingpin bagger (equivalent of the Road King), and it's a great bike and looks great. You're right beauty is in the eye of beholder. And I wouldn't buy a Vision because of it's looks...they are fugly.
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Since the California EPA has not detailed any HD motors on their web site I guess the 110 engine will be back for 2009.
Last year they approved the engines in the April May time frame.
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Since the California EPA has not detailed any HD motors on their web site I guess the 110 engine will be back for 2009.
The 'New & Improved' model? :-\ har! spyder
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Since the California EPA has not detailed any HD motors on their web site I guess the 110 engine will be back for 2009.
Last year they approved the engines in the April May time frame.
Been thinking that same thing. Just my luck I wait for them to do a CVO RG then they do it and I have to worry did they actually fix the 110 or not. Sux really. I may actually pass if they do the bike with that motor, or at least wait to see if there are problems and get one from the second year or even pick up a used one after a year or so.
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if we could get a jims engine @ delivery i would be back on the market for a new cvo........ :coolblue:
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How about a 131"?
Will that work?
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Has anyone on the site done anything more than laugh at the pictures of the Victory Touring bike. ?
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I was driving down the main drag here in town yesterday. There's a Honda dealership that also always has quite a few used bikes on his lot. Mostly Harleys. But 30-40% other stuff too. Yesterday he had one of those Independence Day movie alien looking bikes on the lot. Second time I drove by it I had to stop.
It's just so weird. Took it for a little ride. Maybe five miles. From the saddle nothing sucks. Nothing at all. But you can't shake that feeling that if there is a God he's looking down at you just shaking his head......
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No you didn't! :nervous: har! spyder
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Been thinking that same thing. Just my luck I wait for them to do a CVO RG then they do it and I have to worry did they actually fix the 110 or not. Sux really. I may actually pass if they do the bike with that motor, or at least wait to see if there are problems and get one from the second year or even pick up a used one after a year or so.
That is as if I had said it. :2vrolijk_21:
The 110 would be a deterrent for me. Anything else I could live with as I'll probably change it anyway. My 01 still has a stock motor sans the injection. I'd like to think I could do the same with the 110, just ride it.
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How about a 131"?
Will that work?
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i think it'd work for more ppl than just I. :pepper:
in regard to the victory touring bike i have a friend that was a loyal hd man but now owns a victory.... :nixweiss:
his GF is the one that likes it and if you saw her ya know why he owns it(the bike that is)... :2vrolijk_21:
i rode it and it's very smooth, i kept waiting on it to start hovering er something. but yeah its fugly IMO.
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Other than which models the '09 CVOs will be, it sounds like they'll continue with the 110" engine. My question is will they fix the problems that we've been seeing in these bikes for the '09s? If so, they will have to ADMIT there have been problems for the '07s and '08s. It'll be their sales point to buy the "new & improved" bikes. The next question will be the method of availability to correct the engine parts that are changed. Will they make us wait until there is a problem, or will they issue a recall? From all the denial I've seen regarding this, I have a feeling they're too chicken chit to issue a recall.
If they don't do some sort of recall, the value of the '07s and '08s will drop like a rock. Who wants to buy a beautiful CVO that has a bad rep? We'll own the Edsel of motorcycles.
Personally, I plan on keeping my bike for the long haul. I'll do whatever it takes to make it trustworthy. -But I've lost confidence in the Mo Co, and unless they step up to the plate on these problems, this will be my last Harley.
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My source just dried up so forget the 131 for 09.
Sorry, it seemed like a good idea and plan.
But then again so does the servi-car that Don wants.
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I know that the bling and flashy stuff can be added to any bike but what gets me about Harley at times is the fact that it's hard to just turn the key on the bike and ride. Usually you have to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars to get it to run properly. The metric bikes can run properly right out of the box and they don't need many mods. I do agree they are dependable transportation and that they don't have the character of a Harley. Yet I feel if the MOCO truly believed that blank slate PR stuff Willie G spouts then we would be able to order our CVO bikes from the factory with all the parts we want and not have to add them after spending so much for the bike to begin with. I know they would hate to give up the profit from parts sales and labor to install.
They could eliminate the effect of so many CVOs sitting on showroom floors since they are made like the MOCO wants it to be not necessarily the way we want it to be. Let us look at a parts book and then place order with all options , that way none are made unless a deposit is made thus a guaranteed sale.
Wouldn't that make them like a auto dealer?
You can order a NEW car or Truck with or without all the bells and whistles even picking your own special color - What a novel concept, Then HD could Stop Mfg of it's models and only take orders - then build the bike to customers taste-- The UNION would never go for that :) and with no new bikes in the show room they would loose impulse sales :)
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I was driving down the main drag here in town yesterday. There's a Honda dealership that also always has quite a few used bikes on his lot. Mostly Harleys. But 30-40% other stuff too. Yesterday he had one of those Independence Day movie alien looking bikes on the lot. Second time I drove by it I had to stop.
It's just so weird. Took it for a little ride. Maybe five miles. From the saddle nothing sucks. Nothing at all. But you can't shake that feeling that if there is a God he's looking down at you just shaking his head......
GTFOH!
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How about a 131"?
Will that work?
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Maybe I haven't been paying attention. What's the big deal about a 131 ? How bout they just make what they're currently selling work properly. You know until they released the damn 110, the only motor arguments we had around here were related to making them go faster. I don't recall much grumbling going on when the "big" motor was a 103". My point ? We've already got one motor (110") that it would appear H-D failed to properly design, test and mfgr. Why ask for another ? And this is just my opinion, but I think you're getting too large for two cylinders when you get beyond where we're already at. The 103 proved itself. If the market demands more then design, test and bring to market a 4 cylinder water cooled motor as has been mentioned elsewhere on the site. If you want a monster air cooled V-Twin in your ride then go buy one from the after market and do as you please. H-D needs to devote it's resouces toward improving the quality of their existing products vice constantly chasing a bigger, better, faster , more mentality.
Just my $0.02 Nothing personal directed to my good buddy Chip or anyone else. I simply used his post as a jumping off point for my post.
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We've already got one motor (110") that it would appear H-D failed to properly design, test and mfgr. Why ask for another ? And this is just my opinion, but I think you're getting too large for two cylinders when you get beyond where we're already at. The 103 proved itself. If the market demands more then design, test and bring to market a 4 cylinder water cooled motor as has been mentioned elsewhere on the site. If you want a monster air cooled V-Twin in your ride then go buy one from the after market and do as you please. H-D needs to devote it's resouces toward improving the quality of their existing products vice constantly chasing a bigger, better, faster , more mentality.
Just my $0.02 Nothing personal directed to my good buddy Chip or anyone else. I simply used his post as a jumping off point for my post.
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I agree 100%. If they don't pursue improving the quality of their existing products, they will lose their old faithful customer base.
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I agree 100%. If they don't pursue improving the quality of their existing products, they will lose their old faithful customer base.
Naaaw, that's why they're gonna build lawnmowers for us. ::) har! spyder
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No you didn't! :nervous: har! spyder
GTFOH!
Really did. Rode it for 10 minutes or so around town. Some loaner helmet that didn't fit sitting way too high up on my head behind the dash of this weird looking motorcycle. And from the saddle it handled well and controls seemed logically laid out.
Overall impression was probably a response to the salesman when I got back though. Don't know if he thought I was fresh for picking or just exuberant about doing his job. But he met me on the lot holding a digital camera and asked if I wanted a picture of me sitting on "this fine bike." Told him not a chance in hell.
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Naaaw, that's why they're gonna build lawnmowers for us. ::) har! spyder
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(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r46/Motorbiker_photos/NewsPics/Harley-Lawnmower.jpg)
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Really did. Rode it for 10 minutes or so around town. Some loaner helmet that didn't fit sitting way too high up on my head behind the dash of this weird looking motorcycle. And from the saddle it handled well and controls seemed logically laid out.
Overall impression was probably a response to the salesman when I got back though. Don't know if he thought I was fresh for picking or just exuberant about doing his job. But he met me on the lot holding a digital camera and asked if I wanted a picture of me sitting on "this fine bike." Told him not a chance in hell.
Those salesmen will do anything to get you to feel like you've got some obligation to them. The intent of the picture was to create the impression that you'd already agreed to buy it. As to your comments on the bike, they match up with what I hear from the few people who have ridden one. Nary a complaint once aboard and riding. It all comes down to looks and nobody seems able to handle it. So I guess it falls into the great sex but with a fugly woman catagory. ;D
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I saw 2 at CHL....Too much for me as well...
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Those salesmen will do anything to get you to feel like you've got some obligation to them. The intent of the picture was to create the impression that you'd already agreed to buy it. As to your comments on the bike, they match up with what I hear from the few people who have ridden one. Nary a complaint once aboard and riding. It all comes down to looks and nobody seems able to handle it. So I guess it falls into the great sex but with a fugly woman catagory. ;D
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So... the Fugly Victory is considered a 2 Bagger? :pineapple: :pepper: :cherry: :coolblue:
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Those salesmen will do anything to get you to feel like you've got some obligation to them.
The boy obviously didn't understand the difference between curiosity and interest.
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So... the Fugly Victory is considered a 2 Bagger? :pineapple: :pepper: :cherry: :coolblue:
Scot
I'd have bet the farm you'd be the one to toss that old gem out there :huepfenjump3:
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Scot
I'd have bet the farm you'd be the one to toss that old gem out there :huepfenjump3:
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thankyewthankyewverrymuch
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Really did. Rode it for 10 minutes or so around town. Some loaner helmet that didn't fit sitting way too high up on my head behind the dash of this weird looking motorcycle. And from the saddle it handled well and controls seemed logically laid out.
Overall impression was probably a response to the salesman when I got back though. Don't know if he thought I was fresh for picking or just exuberant about doing his job. But he met me on the lot holding a digital camera and asked if I wanted a picture of me sitting on "this fine bike." Told him not a chance in hell.
Damn, some would have paid that guy good money for that picture. :sneaky: :evilgrin:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Damn, some would have paid that guy good money for that picture. :sneaky: :evilgrin:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Dood, ain't no way there's gonna be a picture of me riding anything uglier than I am!
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Dood, ain't now way there's gonna be a picture of me riding anything uglier than I am!
uhh....... dont be so sure of yerself... ;) some of us have loooongggg memories (and digital camera's)
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Dood, ain't now way there's gonna be a picture of me riding anything uglier than I am!
So you saying you've never been drunk before or just not that drunk?? :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
How am I supposed to stay out the gutter when you make it so easy. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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uhh....... dont be so sure of yerself... ;) some of us have loooongggg memories (and digital camera's)
See you know what I'm talking about. ;)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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uhh....... dont be so sure of yerself... ;) some of us have loooongggg memories (and digital camera's)
There are many things I'm not sure of. But I know there are no pictures out there of me riding anything uglier then me. After all, I'm an ugly sumnuvabeech.
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Ifin I could ride myseff, I'd never git outda hoouse... ;D
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There are many things I'm not sure of. But I know there are no pictures out there of me riding anything uglier then me. After all, I'm an ugly sumnuvabeech.
Hey I resemble that remark ;D, but I have woke up a couple mornings hungover and swore what was laying next to me wasn't the same thing I went to sleep with. :nervous:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I saw a Victory coming towards me on the road yesterday, and it is becoming less ugly to me. Then I caught a look in the rearview, and it is truly a very sexy looking bike from the rear.
I'm just saying ........... :huepfenjump3:
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I saw a Victory coming towards me on the road yesterday, and it is becoming less ugly to me. Then I caught a look in the rearview, and it is truly a very sexy looking bike from the rear.
I'm just saying ........... :huepfenjump3:
You may trade those Harley's in on Victory's but Ford doesn't have a Victory pickup version that will match.
Life is such a challenge!
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Anyone know when the dealers meet in Vegas? Looks like that will be our best chace of knowing what the 09s will be especially since the California EPA is not involved. Must be the 110's are back
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Anyone know when the dealers meet in Vegas? Looks like that will be our best chace of knowing what the 09s will be especially since the California EPA is not involved. Must be the 110's are back
About a month from now on the dealer meeting. I've been told by the sales manager of one of the local dealers he will call me from Vegas after he's seen the 09 lineup and let me know if there is a SERG or not.
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Anyone know when the dealers meet in Vegas? Looks like that will be our best chace of knowing what the 09s will be especially since the California EPA is not involved. Must be the 110's are back
back in 2006 ( 2007 model year ) the CARB site wasnt updated until august :nixweiss:
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back in 2006 ( 2007 model year ) the CARB site wasnt updated until august :nixweiss:
Your right on that, but i did notice on the most recent log Harley did a another engine test on that 2450 earlier this year, in fact it was logged on Feb 5, 2008. I believe this is also a water cooled motor. I cant find any details other then the EPA site. Here is the link as posted in passed. Note recent test log. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/21-harley-pres.pdf
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Your right on that, but i did notice on the most recent log Harley did a another engine test on that 2450 earlier this year, in fact it was logged on Feb 5, 2008. I believe this is also a water cooled motor. I cant find any details other then the EPA site. Here is the link as posted in passed. Note recent test log. http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/roadbike/21-harley-pres.pdf
Am I reading that thing right? When they give an example of the EPA compliant label in the document they show a 2005 Sportster family bike with a 1688cc (103ci) engine? :o :nixweiss:
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i have a hard time trusting anything with
HYPOTHETICAL APPLICATION USING NEW CSI DOCS. :
EPA Presentation
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i have a hard time trusting anything with
in it
2450 watercooled engine
2005 103" Sporty
projected domestic sales of 9000 SE Heritages
among the many "ringers" in the document I found amusing
FTW from HD to us ??
maybe they didnt appreciate the CARB form leakage last year??
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Pages 8-10 refers to the mystrey engine, and yes it does point out as a water cooled. It doesn't point out which CC they are testing but they definitely are testing a new water cooled.
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2400cc and only 92 hp? What a pig!! Isn't that like a 131ci engine? And that's all they're saying that it's going to put out for power? And a V-Twin? 1200cc jugs? Holy smokes!!
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2400cc and only 92 hp? What a pig!! Isn't that like a 131ci engine? And that's all they're saying that it's going to put out for power? And a V-Twin? 1200cc jugs? Holy smokes!!
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that acutally converts to 150 Inch. emm. I believe the stock 96 inch is 67 HP, so you would think the 150 inch should produce around 114 HP. Dont know.. :nixweiss: I just posted what i came across on the EPA log.. They did log a test on Feb this year, what it was?? who knows :coolblue:
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that acutally converts to 150 Inch. emm. I believe the stock 96 inch is 67 HP, so you would think the 150inch should produce arount 114 HP. Dont know.. :nixweiss:just posted what i came across :coolblue:
At least 114 HP...if it's a water-cooled v-twin, it should definitely put out at least that. I would think more like 140 HP. The V-Rod puts out what...125 HP out of the 1250cc motor. This thing will be a pig if it's water-cooled and doesn't put out at least 140. JMO. I believe the S&S 145 puts out over 140 HP out of the crate, and that's air-cooled.
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I saw a Victory coming towards me on the road yesterday, and it is becoming less ugly to me. Then I caught a look in the rearview, and it is truly a very sexy looking bike from the rear.
I'm just saying ........... :huepfenjump3:
So the race is on to see which of us buys one first :orange: :cherry: :mango: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :coolblue: :pineapple: :pepper:
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So the race is on to see which of us buys one first :orange: :cherry: :mango: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :coolblue: :pineapple: :pepper:
No, it's still ugly. But in the long eared Beagle puppy sort of way. Ugly, but you can't keep yourself from looking at it.
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All this yakking about Victorys, next thing that will pop up here is a Gold wing thread. :o
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So the race is on to see which of us buys one first :orange: :cherry: :mango: :apple: :carrot: :jalapeno: :cucumber: :coolblue: :pineapple: :pepper:
guarantold ya, I'll come in last in that race.
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Here ya go traders...........
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Not until you pry my cold dead fingers from the chrome bars...
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and my personal favorite............
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All this yakking about Victorys, next thing that will pop up here is a Gold wing thread. :o
That's funny for a guy who just got done bashing the hell out of the MoCo on another thread :oops:
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another...
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That looks like a demented BMW engineer went to work for Victory & had an unlimited budget on plastic....
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No, it's still ugly. But in the long eared Beagle puppy sort of way. Ugly, but you can't keep yourself from looking at it.
Everyone needs to buy what floats their boat.
I have had Harley's since 1977 and never intend to change that plan.
Currently I am looking for two 08 KLR 650's.
I'm leaning toward the KLR's for their all purpose do everything ability.
So will I buy a Victory, nope, no soul there. Nice bike but just no soul.
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That's funny for a guy who just got done bashing the hell out of the MoCo on another thread :oops:
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I bashed the MoCo?
It must be a love/hate relationship......
You always hurt the ones you love.
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I bashed the MoCo?
It must be a love/hate relationship......
You always hurt the ones you love.
That's Pimp Talk Bruddah
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I bashed the MoCo?
It must be a love/hate relationship......
You always hurt the ones you love.
Does that mean Henry loves me?
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Street Version
Street version?
Does that mean there's an off road version?
That should be fun in the dirt!
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........ Damn........ :o that did it........
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Oy, those pictures. It's a good thing that bike seemed to ride out so nicely. Because from the front it still looks like an alien (and not a handsome one either) and from the rear it gives the definite impression of an "active" young lady with a serious yeast infection. Design engineers were given a new box of crayons that day.
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Does that mean Henry loves me?
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Just saw a report on new carpet licker/rump ranger marriages in Cali, so........
no comment.
None.
Nada.
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That's Pimp Talk Bruddah
Hmmmm.....
Keep your pimp hand strong, bro.
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You naughty boy!
Go to your room!
>:(
If you can find it!
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Too late. Already in my room. The drunks at the bar are not here, except for one.
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I think a buddy of mine put it best today. He said when you look at the vision from the side and put your hand over the back half of the bike, the front end looks like Vespa! :D Candy, I love ya like a sister, but for the life of me I can't see how you think that butt-ugly rear end looks "sexy".... :nixweiss:
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I think a buddy of mine put it best today. He said when you look at the vision from the side and put your hand over the back half of the bike, the front end looks like Vespa! :D Candy, I love ya like a sister, but for the life of me I can't see how you think that butt-ugly rear end looks "sexy".... :nixweiss:
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She's a girl Red
All the good ones think us guys are cute :huepfenjump3:
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She's a girl Red
All the good ones think us guys are cute :huepfenjump3:
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At least us ugly ones.... :D
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Thanks for loving me like a sister. I thought it looked good in my rear view. I did not say I was buying one, have not even looked at one in person close up. Just said my husband is wondering what the 2009 HD CVO bikes will have to offer, not wanting to put toes in the 110 waters when our 103s work so good, but since we don't know, he has started to see what else is out there. Don't shoot me or hate me, we are only looking and that is free, fair and allowed, right?
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Thanks for loving me like a sister. I thought it looked good in my rear view. I did not say I was buying one, have not even looked at one in person close up. Just said my husband is wondering what the 2009 HD CVO bikes will have to offer, not wanting to put toes in the 110 waters when our 103s work so good, but since we don't know, he has started to see what else is out there. Don't shoot me or hate me, we are only looking and that is free, fair and allowed, right?
to each their own girl..... but that thing has a mug that only a mother could love
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Is this subject on the 2009 CVO's or am I missing something
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Is this subject on the 2009 CVO's or am I missing something
we are wondering what the 09 catalog will have. I only said, if it is not what we like is there other stuff. Do you know something? Anything about the 09 product line? We all want to know
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Does that mean Henry loves me?
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How'd I get drug into this?
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Is this subject on the 2009 CVO's or am I missing something
This is kind of a meandering conversation that will roll back around to the 09s... and much speculation thereon
but in the meantime..who knows where it will go
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That's funny for a guy who just got done bashing the hell out of the MoCo on another thread :oops:
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So......Brian........it's OK for you to bash others, but woe be unto he who bashes you? Now THAT's some FUNNY chit right there!!!!!!!
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So......Brian........it's OK for you to bash others, but woe be unto he who bashes you? Now THAT's some FUNNY chit right there!!!!!!!
Bashing, Bashing, Bashing, whooohooo!
I look forward to a little bashing of me from BB and ISKI.
It keeps me on my toes!
I figure if they really didn't care they wouldn't bother posting.
Even a little bashing from you Henry is fun.
Cause I know you do care and I respect that!
And many, many moons ago my Dad told me, "Don't dish it out if you can't take it"
Dad was a smart man, just wish he was still here.
He would look good on an 09 Screaming Eagle!
Hurry up dealer show in July!
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Bashing, Bashing, Bashing, whooohooo!
I look forward to a little bashing of me from BB and ISKI.
It keeps me on my toes!
I figure if they really didn't care they wouldn't bother posting.
Even a little bashing from you Henry is fun.
Cause I know you do care and I respect that!
And many, many moons ago my Dad told me, "Don't dish it out if you can't take it"
Dad was a smart man, just wish he was still here.
He would look good on an 09 Screaming Eagle!
Hurry up dealer show in July!
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Chip...you are dissapointing me! the way you brought this thread back on topic...just is not like you!
Are you feeling ok today? Do you need an aspirin?
2009 Screamining Eagle Ultra Tour Glide would be nice but if they do another ultra, there is no way...but the se-introduction of a SERG would prompt me to consider trading in the SED!
/Bill
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Chip...you are dissapointing me! the way you brought this thread back on topic...just is not like you!
Are you feeling ok today? Do you need an aspirin?
2009 Screamining Eagle Ultra Tour ROAD Glide would be nice but if they do another ultra, there is no way...but the se-introduction of a SERG would prompt me to consider trading in the SED!
/Bill
You can never argue with having more than one bagger in the garage!
Bagger Choices, is there anything wrong with that?
And 09 should give us a few!
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Here ya go traders...........
It's like a 50's Caddy with big tail fins but in plastic. Each his own as far as taste.
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Bashing, Bashing, Bashing, whooohooo!
I look forward to a little bashing of me from BB and ISKI.
It keeps me on my toes!
I figure if they really didn't care they wouldn't bother posting.
Even a little bashing from you Henry is fun.
Cause I know you do care and I respect that!
And many, many moons ago my Dad told me, "Don't dish it out if you can't take it"
Dad was a smart man, just wish he was still here.
He would look good on an 09 Screaming Eagle!
Hurry up dealer show in July!
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Me? Bash anybody, especially the Board Chithead? :nixweiss:
As anyone can tell, I generally am quite neutral, have no real opinions especially any that cause controversy, and desire at all times to bring peace, harmony, love, & understanding to a world that is not worthy for me to walk upon it everyone, everywhere regardless of race, creed, color, religion, sports team preferences, or outer appearances. Except for Bob Barker, of course.
In truth, I am a bright ray of happy sunshine, bouncing happily about the globe, spreading joy & happiness on all those I happen to bounce upon.
Will you post a pic of yourself on your toes sometime? ;)
Of course all the above is bullchit & I am just damn glad I don't have a hangover this morning.And I wish my Dad were here, too. Miss the guy & I would buy him an 09 SE even if they are still 110's.
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Chip...you are dissapointing me! the way you brought this thread back on topic...just is not like you!
Are you feeling ok today? Do you need an aspirin?
2009 Screamining Eagle Ultra Tour Glide would be nice but if they do another ultra, there is no way...but the se-introduction of a SERG would prompt me to consider trading in the SED!
/Bill
If he does, I think there's some in his new Chithead first aid kit!
:) ;) :) ;)
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YES!
Might as well go --> :jack: again.
Thanks Tommy for all the stuff!
I put a SBB (not me, but Suck Bang Blow) patch over the Honda emblem and the first aid kit is good to go!
And yes it has aspirin!
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In truth, I am a bright ray of happy sunshine, bouncing happily about the globe, spreading joy & happiness on all those I happen to bounce upon.
Anyone seen my boots?
Help!
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Anyone seen my boots?
Help!
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
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No worries, the BS meter went off the chart a few minutes ago. ;D
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Anyone seen my boots?
Help!
:nervous: :nervous: :nervous: :nervous:
Boots!?!? I think we need waders!
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Oh no........
I FEEL....... so.......
bashed. :'(
My honest and factual assessment of my Mission on Earth was subjected to.........
bashing. :o
I will recover, but it will take time. And beer.
Will now decide whether more beer or time is needed. LOL
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In truth, I am a bright ray of happy sunshine, bouncing happily about the globe, spreading joy & happiness on all those I happen to bounce upon.
And I'm just a delicate tender wallflower.
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And I'm just a delicate tender wallflower.
I married a mean woman.
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I married a mean woman.
My wife threatens to kick the harley over in total jealousy & rage. Let's see ya top that.
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My wife threatens to kick the harley over in total jealousy & rage. Let's see ya top that.
:o
:wall:
:znotworthy:
There will be a CVO waiting for you in heaven, no doubt.
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So......Brian........it's OK for you to bash others, but woe be unto he who bashes you? Now THAT's some FUNNY chit right there!!!!!!!
Henry
You need to take a break and rethink your position on my take on life. It's gotten to the point where you read into my posts whatever it is you choose to. And also, I don't give a damn who bashes who actually, but you seem to have some sort of vendetta where I'm concerned lately. It's one thing to send me some of the over the top PM's you've been sending, but bringing it out on the site is not cool. I have no idea what it is the set you off unless it's the dumbass chit about your buddy's True-Track clone. I took my lumps on my posts on that thread took some of what was said as good advice and moved on. I do listen and learn.You don't. Move on dude
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There will be a CVO waiting for you in heaven, no doubt.
I've told her when I die..I expect she'll marry another. It's allright by me if he sits in my recliner, uses my John Deere mower, and drives my truck..BUT..That SOB had better not even touch my Harley..much less ride it. In fact, I'd prefer to be buried sitting on it.
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I've told her when I die..I expect she'll marry another. It's allright by me if he sits in my recliner, uses my John Deere mower, and drives my truck..BUT..That SOB had better not even touch my Harley..much less ride it. In fact, I'd prefer to be buried sitting on it.
But not on a stock saddle. Need something more comfortable for eternity.
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Also, I seem to be a little gassy today :confused5: .
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But not on a stock saddle. Need something more comfortable for eternity.
The question is..IS Corbin the way to go? Haven't been reading good things lately.
If your state has a helmet law........never mind...
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I've told her when I die..I expect she'll marry another. It's allright by me if he sits in my recliner, uses my John Deere mower, and drives my truck..BUT..That SOB had better not even touch my Harley..much less ride it. In fact, I'd prefer to be buried sitting on it.
If I don't die on mine it's going to a friend. I told him to show up for the wake, ride the H-D in the funeral and then it's his. Neither of my daughters ride nor would they ever let their kids ride so long as they were minors. Too bad cause other than that their perfect. Guess even the prettiest diamonds have flaws.
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The question is..IS Corbin the way to go? Haven't been reading good things lately.
If your state has a helmet law........never mind...
I think I'm as big a Corbin fan as anyone, so I feel qualified to comment here. Since my back got real bad the Corbin is not as comfortable on my a$$ as it used to be. Still gives me real good back support with the rider backrest and the way the seat's designed, but I'm seriously thinking of having a jell pad put on top of the foam Corbin uses and having it re-covered.
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I would like to find someway to have my bike sealed and permanently affixed in the garage once I'm gone. That way it would be like I was tauting her next husband from the grave. He'd see the bike sitting there everyday, but he could never ride it.
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The question is..IS Corbin the way to go? Haven't been reading good things lately.
If your state has a helmet law........never mind...
Helmet laws for motorcycles only apply when riding on public roads (I don't know for sure, just making it up right now, but go with it). So you'd be fine to be dead without your helmet.
I suppose if I had to sit any saddle for eternity it'd be one of the Corbins. Definitely want the heated saddle though. The old bones probably get a chill come winter.
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Helmet laws for motorcycles only apply when riding on public roads (I don't know for sure, just making it up right now, but go with it). So you'd be fine to be dead without your helmet.
I suppose if I had to sit any saddle for eternity it'd be one of the Corbins. Definitely want the heated saddle though. The old bones probably get a chill come winter.
no chill where you and i are riding to in the after life my friend LOL
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I would like to find someway to have my bike sealed and permanently affixed in the garage once I'm gone. That way it would be like I was tauting her next husband from the grave. He'd see the bike sitting there everyday, but he could never ride it.
Ok, reading the remarks like this and scratching my brain a little. This is coming from the single guy so consider the source. But what you're all saying is that it's not ok for someone else to ride your bike but it is ok for someone else to ride your w.........
Oh, wait, never mind. Just walked out in the garage and regained my perspective.
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no chill where you and i are riding to in the after life my friend LOL
Whew, that's a relief. I don't care of the roads are bumpy and hot. Just so long as they're out there.
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I think I'm as big a Corbin fan as anyone, so I feel qualified to comment here. Since my back got real bad the Corbin is not as comfortable on my a$$ as it used to be. Still gives me real good back support with the rider backrest and the way the seat's designed, but I'm seriously thinking of having a jell pad put on top of the foam Corbin uses and having it re-covered.
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If you want to save some $$..Buy the HD Badlander seat for like $300. Ride on it for a few days and the stock seat will feel awesome!
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If you want to save some $$..Buy the HD Badlander seat for like $300. Ride on it for a few days and the stock seat will feel awesome!
So if hell really were a punishment that's the seat you'd be stuck on for eternity?
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Also, I seem to be a little gassy today :confused5: .
yeah, me 2!
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yeah, me 2!
I knew it was contagious!
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Ok, reading the remarks like this and scratching my brain a little. This is coming from the single guy so consider the source. But what you're all saying is that it's not ok for someone else to ride your bike but it is ok for someone else to ride your w.........
Oh, wait, never mind. Just walked out in the garage and regained my perspective.
Well---the other guy could possible tear the HD up but not....
never mind
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Well---the other guy could possible tear the HD up but not....
never mind
You're gonna live forever anyway. So nothing to be concerned about. Just so long as no one with a big sword cuts your head off and makes the weird lightning happen.
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You're gonna live forever anyway. So nothing to be concerned about. Just so long as no one with a big sword cuts your head off and makes the weird lightning happen.
OMG, another Highlander. Where's my sword!? :huepfenlol2:
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If you want to save some $$..Buy the HD Badlander seat for like $300. Ride on it for a few days and the stock seat will feel awesome!
SPEW
I had a Badlander seat and I could not have said it better myself
by the way OTIS, are you enjoying that seat ?
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Ok, reading the remarks like this and scratching my brain a little. This is coming from the single guy so consider the source. But what you're all saying is that it's not ok for someone else to ride your bike but it is ok for someone else to ride your w.........
Oh, wait, never mind. Just walked out in the garage and regained my perspective.
Don - do know something I don't know? I haven't been single for 21 years... :nixweiss:
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The question is..IS Corbin the way to go? Haven't been reading good things lately.
If your state has a helmet law........never mind...
Mustang makes a good seat. It moves the rider a little forward which gives the passenger more room. I have the "pillow look with buttons" and the wife is very pleased. The stock seat on my SERG is also good, but momma hates it. So you know how that goes... Doc
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Anyone got information on what the 2009 models will be???I wonder if they will cut production on the CVO's
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Don - do know something I don't know? I haven't been single for 21 years... :nixweiss:
Wow, that's like almost as long as I've been alive ??? .
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Anyone got information on what the 2009 models will be???I wonder if they will cut production on the CVO's
It looks like a water cooled Road Glide and yet another year of the Ultra are sure things. Along with a special SE Servicar (cool graphics on the back). They're finally going to do a 1200 Sportster and a new Dyna is coming back with a Screamin Eagle version of the Lowrider called the Lowflyer.
This all comes straight from Willie G's..... ah, never mind.
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It looks like a water cooled Road Glide and yet another year of the Ultra are sure things. Along with a special SE Servicar (cool graphics on the back). They're finally going to do a 1200 Sportster and a new Dyna is coming back with a Screamin Eagle version of the Lowrider called the Lowflyer.
This all comes straight from Willie G's..... ah, never mind.
Just like Linus and the Great Pumpkin huh Don ?
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Don - do know something I don't know? I haven't been single for 21 years... :nixweiss:
Wow, that's like almost as long as I've been alive ??? .
:shocked2: You might want to check the length of your nose and see if it's growing after that whopper.
Jerry :)
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Just like Linus and the Great Pumpkin huh Don ?
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Doesn't hurt anything to hope does it Big B? A guy deserves his dreams :drink: .
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It looks like a water cooled Road Glide and yet another year of the Ultra are sure things. Along with a special SE Servicar (cool graphics on the back). They're finally going to do a 1200 Sportster and a new Dyna is coming back with a Screamin Eagle version of the Lowrider called the Lowflyer.
This all comes straight from Willie G's..... ah, never mind.
You forgot to start out once upon a time. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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:shocked2: You might want to check the length of your nose and see if it's growing after that whopper.
Jerry :)
You forgot to start out once upon a time. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Man it is hard to find a little love here :huepfenlol2: !
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Man it is hard to find a little love here :huepfenlol2: !
Are you saying it gets lonely at the top ???
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Henry
You need to take a break and rethink your position on my take on life. It's gotten to the point where you read into my posts whatever it is you choose to. And also, I don't give a damn who bashes who actually, but you seem to have some sort of vendetta where I'm concerned lately. It's one thing to send me some of the over the top PM's you've been sending, but bringing it out on the site is not cool. I have no idea what it is the set you off unless it's the dumbass chit about your buddy's True-Track clone. I took my lumps on my posts on that thread took some of what was said as good advice and moved on. I do listen and learn.You don't. Move on dude
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WOW! How 'bout that. It doesn't happen often, but I was right this time. I guess it's true that a blind hog really does find an ear of corn every now and then.
Where you are concerned, Brian, and what I say to you, whether in public or via PM evidently goes in one of your ears, swirls around in that west coast air in your east coast braincase, and comes out the other ear totally distorted, way out of context, and not taken at face value. I have no vendetta against you at all. I made an observation and expressed my opinion...................and I have no idea how Tracy got drug into this, nor how his creation can be dubbed a True-Track clone. That was way out there, Brian...................WAY out there. And if you doubt the sincerity of that which I've written to you via PMs, and label them as "over-the-top, I can accept that..........even though it does sting...........especially since I meant what I said. But Whatever Brian. I made a simple observation, and was hoping you could rise above "our" misunderstanding, lighten up, and laugh just a little. In that respect, I am wrong..............and I have no problem admitting I am wrong and I am honored to do so. Even so, Brian, thank you for your observation. I "think" I have listened and learned this time, and will cheerfully move on. :sunny:
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All righty then :confused5:
SCUTTLEBUTT.................Ultra trike
SESG
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:right from Milwaukee :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
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This blog has always been able to determine the next years CVO's prior to the dealer event. This year it is one month and one day away in Vegas.
We must be able to figure it out??
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March 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 pm
World’s Fastest Motorcycle
in: People Making a Difference, Photo Perspectives
This is an 8200cc Monster of a Bike. It’s like riding a 2-wheeled Train Engine.
Do read the specification below. Mindblowing…
ENGINE
1. 500 bhp (372 kW) @ 5600 rpm (60.4 bhp/liter); 525 lb.-ft. (712 Nm) @ 4200 rpm
2. 10-cylinder 90-degree V-type, liquid-cooled, 505 cubic inches (8277 cc)
3. 356-T6 aluminum alloy block with cast-iron liners, aluminum alloy cylinder heads
4. Bore x Stroke: 4.03 inches x 3.96 inches (102.4 x 100.6)
5. Two pushrod-actuated overhead valves per cylinder with roller-type hydraulic lifters 6. Sequential, multi-port electronic fuel injection with individual runners
7. Compression Ratio: 9.6:1
8. Max Engine Speed: 6000 rpm
9. Fuel Requirement: Unleaded premium, 93 octane (R+M/2)
10. Oil System: Dry Sump; takes 8 quarts Mobil1 10W30 Synthetic
11. Cooling System: Twin aluminum radiators mounted atop engine intake manifolds, force-fed from front-mounted, belt-driven turbine fan.
12. Takes 11 quarts of antifreeze.
13. Exhaust System: Equal-length tubular stainless steel headers with dual collectors and central rear outlets.
SUSPENSION:
Front:
Outboard, single-sided parallel upper and lower control arms made from polished billet aluminum. Mounted via ball joint to aluminum steering uprights and hubs. Five degrees caster. Single, fully adjustable centrally located coil-over damper ( 2.25-inch coil with adjustable spring perch); pullrod and rocker-actuated mono linkage. Center-lock racing-style hubs.
Rear:
Hand-fabricated box-section steel inboard swing arms, incorporating “hydral-link” lockable recirculating hydraulic circuit parking stand. Single fully adjustable centrally located Koni coil-over damper ( 2.25-inch coil with adjustable spring perch); pushrod and rocker-actuated mono linkage. Center-lock racing-style hubs.
BRAKES:
Front:
20-inch perimeter-mounted drilled machined stainless steel rotors, one per wheel. Two four-piston fixed aluminum calipers per wheel (16 pistons total), custom designed. Blue anodized caliper finish. Hand-activated.
Rear:
20-inch perimeter-mounted drilled cast-iron rotors, one per wheel. One four-piston fixed aluminum caliper per wheel (8 pistons total), custom designed. Blue anodized caliper finish. Foot-activated.
The Tomahawk is a Viper V-10 based motorcycle, a 500 horsepower engine with four wheels beneath it.
Chrysler will be selling the original Tomahawk concept and nine replicas through Neiman Marcus, for up to $555,000 each. The motorcycles cannot be licensed, so they cannot be legally driven on public roads. A Chrysler spokesman told Reuters they were meant as rolling sculptures.
Rumors had the Tomahawk selling for under $200,000, most likely at a loss or breakeven price, for publicity purposes - but still fully drivable. Wolfgang Bernhard, Chrysler’s not particularly respected first mate, was said to be enthusiastic about that project, so much so that hundreds were projected to be built at under $200,000 each. They reportedly cost Chrysler over $100,000 to build (admittedly the work is outsourced).
The Dodge Tomahawk can reach 60 miles an hour in about 2.5 seconds, and has a theoretical top speed of nearly 400 mph. Each pair of wheels is separated by a few inches and each wheel has an independent suspension. Bernhard said four wheels were necessary to handle the power from the engine.
The Tomahawk remains on display at auto shows - though well out of reach of the general public, elevated on a special display.
PERFORMANCE:
0-60 mph: 2.5 seconds (est.)
Top Speed: 300+ mph (est.)
DIMENSIONS:
Length: 102 inches
Width: 27.7 inches
Height: 36.9 inches
Wheelbase: 76 inches
Seat Height: 29 inches
Weight: 1,500 lbs.
Track, Front: 8.75 in
Track, Rear: 10 in
Weight Dist: 49F/51R
Ground Clearance: 3 in
Fuel: 3.25 gallons
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM:
Alternator: 136-amp high-speed
Battery : Leak-resistant, maintenance-free 600 CCALighting: Headlights consist of 12 five-watt LEDs, front, with beam-modifying optics and masked lenses.
Eight LEDs, rear. Headlamps articulate with wheels.
TRANSMISSION:
Manual, foot-shifted two-speed
Aluminum-cased two-speed, sequential racing-style with dog ring, straight-cut gearsGear Ratios: 1st 18:38; 2nd 23:25Clutch: Double-disc, dry-plate with organic friction materials, hand lever actuated with assistFinal drive: Dual 110-link motorcycle-style chains
Front Sprockets: 14 teethRear Sprockets: 35 teeth
Longitudinal, centrally mounted engine, rear-wheel drive layout; monocoque construction, engine is central, stressed member. Body of billet aluminum.
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Nice....
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http://www.impactlab.com/2008/03/02/worlds-fastest-motorcycle/ (http://www.impactlab.com/2008/03/02/worlds-fastest-motorcycle/)
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And what have we here?? YET another DODGE product ;D :2vrolijk_21: Jay leno has one of these already -- so you can't first on the block in California :)
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And what have we here?? YET another DODGE product ;D :2vrolijk_21: Jay leno has one of these already -- so you can't first on the block in California :)
He also has a custom made motorcycle with a Bell Ranger Helicopter jet engine. I believe I read somewhere he'd had it up to 260 mph
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He also has a custom made motorcycle with a Bell Ranger Helicopter jet engine. I believe I read somewhere he'd had it up to 260 mph
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/1302876.html?page=1 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/1302876.html?page=1)
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http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/1302876.html?page=1 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/jay_leno_garage/1302876.html?page=1)
I saw this one in Sturgis and except for melting the pavement, it really works. :2vrolijk_21: Doc
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And I complain about my 103 being "hot" to ride. :o har! spyder
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SEE 2009 CVO'S
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Can we combine these two subjects??? "2009 cvo's" and "new 2009 Harley's"
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Can we combine these two subjects??? "2009 cvo's" and "new 2009 Harley's"
As July gets closer and closer they'll be more. These threads are like moderators; they're just all over the place :huepfenlol2: !
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I've heard that HD is going to expand the CVO offerings.....and that they may come out with a V-rod tourer.
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I've heard that HD is going to expand the CVO offerings.....and that they may come out with a V-rod tourer.
And where did that gem of information originate ?
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And where did that gem of information originate ?
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I heard it too Brian. It was a couple of posts ago up that ^ way.
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I've heard that HD is going to expand the CVO offerings.....and that they may come out with a V-rod tourer.
If that were true, there will be a whole new ballgame with cruisers and baggers.
What do you think? :nixweiss:
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I heard it too Brian. It was a couple of posts ago up that ^ way.
Spppeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww!
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If that were true, there will be a whole new ballgame with cruisers and baggers.
What do you think? :nixweiss:
I think your cat will move before H-D does ;)
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As July gets closer and closer they'll be more. These threads are like moderators; they're just all over the place :huepfenlol2: !
You forgot to add..... Chitheads are all ova the place too.....
Chithead!!! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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You forgot to add..... Chitheads are all ova the place too.....
Chithead!!! :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenjump3:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
I feel the love.... :drink:
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CARB site updated with 2009 Harleys....
......except CVOs!
Interesting, they have the Deuce listed as a model for 2009...seems early to be returning it to the line-up.
/Bill
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I think your cat will move before H-D does ;)
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Do you think the cat could be smarter? You think? :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
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Do you think the cat could be smarter? You think? :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2:
Oh I know the cat's smarter. If he moves, it's for a good reason. H-D has been known to move for no particular reason other than one of Willie G's brain farts
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Oh I know the cat's smarter. If he moves, it's for a good reason. H-D has been known to move for no particular reason other than one of Willie G's brain farts
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Hummmmm., he must of farted lately. :oops: :huepfenlol2:
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CARB site updated with 2009 Harleys....
......except CVOs!
Interesting, they have the Deuce listed as a model for 2009...seems early to be returning it to the line-up.
/Bill
you did'nt post their site..
here it is.. And your right, looks like Harley is droping th 110 inch for 2009
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php
Here is the 2008 site which shows all models.. As a comparision to 2009 models, looks like no CVO's and where are the Touring.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2008/2008.php
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you did'nt post their site..
here it is.. And your right, looks like Harley is droping th 110 inch for 2009
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php
If you're saying that they're dropping the 110 based on ommission of any 110 data, then through that logic, they are dropping the whole CVO lineup for 2009. :nixweiss: I don't see the correlation. Ommission of CARB data does not necessarily mean the deletion of a product. Also if you go by that CARB request, the MoCo will be dropping the whole touring line...which we know they will never do that. Unless....the touring line and CVO line are coming out with water-cooled engines? ??? :nixweiss:
If you look on the carb request for FXCWC, that is the designator for the Rocker Custom for 2008, now according to the CARB request it's the "Rocker Crossbones". Does that mean a Rocker with a springer front end now? That would be pretty cool if it does.
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I don't think the lack of data for the CVO lineup means the 110 is gone. If that were the case then there will be no Touring line bikes as I didn't see anything about them. I also noticed they bringing the spinger classic back. :)
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Thanks,
I had posdted it earlier in another post...
why repeat...
you did'nt post their site..
here it is.. And your right, looks like Harley is droping th 110 inch for 2009
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php
Here is the 2008 site which shows all models.. As a comparision to 2009 models, looks like no CVO's and where are the Touring.
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2008/2008.php
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Thanks,
I had posdted it earlier in another post...
why repeat...
oh chit, i did'nt see it ,, :wall:
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I read in another forum that the 09 touring bikes will have an engine change coming alone with a new faring and in the CVO line a fat bob in bright yellow.
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I read in another forum that the 09 touring bikes will have an engine change coming alone with a new faring and in the CVO line a fat bob in bright yellow.
The 07 and 08 CVO bikes came with a built in engine change, too! About every 4000 miles - .... :huepfenlol2:
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The 07 and 08 CVO bikes came with a built in enging change, too! About every 4000 miles - .... :huepfenlol2:
It's part of the 'heritage'. :-[ har! spyder
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It now looks certain that there will indeed be a 2009 SERG model, this spy shot was taken in Sedona and clearly indicates that it be offered in both single ply and 2-ply models. A chrome, Screamin Eagle tissue dispenser will be offered as an option, as well as a modified GPS program that clearly indicates the location and estimated time to the next rest stops, convenience stores and gas stations with working restrooms. Color options are not yet availabe but as per MOCO tradition, there will be at least an Orange and black in the product mix as evidenced here. MSRP is not yet available however. :nixweiss:
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It now looks certain that there will indeed be a 2009 SERG model, this spy shot was taken in Sedona and clearly indicates that it be offered in both single ply and 2-ply models. A chrome, Screamin Eagle tissue dispenser will be offered as an option, as well as a modified GPS program that clearly indicates the location and estimated time to the next rest stops, convenience stores and gas stations with working restrooms. Color options are not yet availabe but as per MOCO tradition, there will be at least an Orange and black in the product mix as evidenced here. MSRP is not yet available however. :nixweiss:
If the tissue dispenser had a turbo option would that make it a spool spool :nixweiss: ?
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If the tissue dispenser had a turbo option would that make it a spool spool :nixweiss: ?
Yes, Willie G's housekeeper has a nephew that says it will have a fool spool, as well as a spool spool, but not a pool. spool :2vrolijk_21:
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Yes, Willie G's housekeeper has a nephew that says it will have a fool spool, as well as a spool spool, but not a pool. spool :2vrolijk_21:
Look no further than the closest mirror for all you seek Joe
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It now looks certain that there will indeed be a 2009 SERG model, this spy shot was taken in Sedona and clearly indicates that it be offered in both single ply and 2-ply models. A chrome, Screamin Eagle tissue dispenser will be offered as an option, as well as a modified GPS program that clearly indicates the location and estimated time to the next rest stops, convenience stores and gas stations with working restrooms. Color options are not yet availabe but as per MOCO tradition, there will be at least an Orange and black in the product mix as evidenced here. MSRP is not yet available however. :nixweiss:
Does the tissue comes with the bike to clean the oil leak?
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Does the tissue comes with the bike to clean the oil leak?
LD doesn't leak, but Joe's skull does
He's been stuck on this one joke for two months.
I think he's even stuffin fortune cookies with it
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It is odd that the California EPA website did not have a spec on the 2009 CVO.
Looks like they did all the rest???
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It is odd that the California EPA website did not have a spec on the 2009 CVO.
Looks like they did all the rest???
The touring line wasn't listed either...so it must be "hush-hush" new-release stuff... :P
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Look no further than the closest mirror for all you seek Joe
:huepfenjump3: :soapbox:
Thus endeth the Charmin saga! :2vrolijk_21:
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If you look on the carb request for FXCWC, that is the designator for the Rocker Custom for 2008, now according to the CARB request it's the "Rocker Crossbones". Does that mean a Rocker with a springer front end now? That would be pretty cool if it does.
:devil:
I would not read too much into typos.
Ride safely,
Louis
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I've got inside information that all Harley Davidsons will have two wheels this year.
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I've got inside information that all Harley Davidsons will have two wheels this year.
Don't be silly Ken.
What about the "TriGlide"
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Don't be silly Ken.
What about the "TriGlide"
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My source could be mistaken.
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Only thing i can get out of MoCo is a major change in colors.
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My source could be mistaken.
Mine isn't!
If you can't rely on the pool boy why even bother?
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The other thread discusses the 2009 bikes .
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I've got inside information that all Harley Davidsons will have two wheels this year.
Yes, it's a special safety addition for the 110s. Two wheels in front and deployable wheel barrel handles out the rear.
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They are considering a 4 year guarantee that the 2 wheels will not leak oil, but that is very top secret. Also heard that the MoCo is considering buying Jims, but Jims is also considering buying the MoCo. ??? ::) :o
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They are considering a 4 year guarantee that the 2 wheels will not leak oil, but that is very top secret. Also heard that the MoCo is considering buying Jims, but Jims is also considering buying the MoCo. ??? ::) :o
MMMMM now that would really be something. :huepfenlol2:
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Don't be silly Ken.
What about the "TriGlide"
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What if TG was Tour Glide and not Tri Glide. Just a thought. I in the camp that there will be a trike this year, it is rumored that the MOCO virtually promised it to the dealers at the spring dealer meeting but what if they basically did the RG with all the add ons from an Ultra and reintroduced the Tour Glide again????
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From everything I've read and heard in the last few months, it looks like Harley will try to blow away the competition in 2009 or 2010 with a monster 150 cube engine, probably liquid-cooled, maybe with 4 valves/cylinder, and possibly DOHC, with a goal of 150HP and 150 lbs. of torque. If it happens, and if it has high tech, high quality, high reliability, and maintains the Harley sound (can they build a bike like this with a single-pin crank?), it'll be huge in all ways, especially if it won't need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it. Would greatly enjoy reading more news about this. Hard to wait till late July. 8)
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From everything I've read and heard in the last few months, it looks like Harley will try to blow away the competition in 2009 or 2010 with a monster 150 cube engine, probably liquid-cooled, maybe with 4 valves/cylinder, and possibly DOHC, with a goal of 150HP and 150 lbs. of torque. If it happens, and if it has high tech, high quality, high reliability, and maintains the Harley sound (can they build a bike like this with a single-pin crank?), it'll be huge in all ways, especially if it won't need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it. Would greatly enjoy reading more news about this. Hard to wait till late July. 8)
Wow, I want some of what he's been having.
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Psilocybin?
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Psilocybin?
Great minds think alike. I'm pretty sure that post came from a mushroom patch.
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From everything I've read and heard in the last few months, it looks like Harley will try to blow away the competition in 2009 or 2010 with a monster 150 cube engine, probably liquid-cooled, maybe with 4 valves/cylinder, and possibly DOHC, with a goal of 150HP and 150 lbs. of torque. If it happens, and if it has high tech, high quality, high reliability, and maintains the Harley sound (can they build a bike like this with a single-pin crank?), it'll be huge in all ways, especially if it won't need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it. Would greatly enjoy reading more news about this. Hard to wait till late July. 8)
Wow, I want some of what he's been having.
I'm pretty certain that stuff was outlawed back in the 70's. Must have had a stash buried somewhere. :zHole:
Rockin Rider, if you want folks to take you seriously in the future, you need to drop the references to high tech, high quality, and high reliability when discussing the MoCo and it's products. Instant tip-off.
Jerry ::)
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especially if it won't need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it.
who ever heard of a harley that didnt need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it.
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especially if it won't need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it.
who ever heard of a harley that didnt need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it.
It's the shrooms man, the guy just needs a little time to get back even. :coolblue:
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Sorry about the wishful thinking/creative visualizations. Must be the Ripple, Night Train, Cisco, Sterno, cleaning fluid, Jamaican lamb's bread, Turkish hash, clear light acid, Sonoran peyote, Mazatlan mescaline, Pedro's psilocybin, Omar's opium, and even some forum rumors. Hey, a guy can dream of this ride, can't he?
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Sorry about the wishful thinking/creative visualizations. Must be the Ripple, Night Train, Cisco, Sterno, cleaning fluid, Jamaican lamb's bread, Turkish hash, clear light acid, Sonoran peyote, Mazatlan mescaline, Pedro's psilocybin, Omar's opium, and even some forum rumors. Hey, a guy can dream of this ride, can't he?
All of that combined and yep, a dream would be something to aspire to be able to remember......
;D
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MMMMM now that would really be something. :huepfenlol2:
Deal is off, Jims wanted to improve quality, reliability, and offer excellent responsive customer service. 2 MoCo executives had to be carried out feet first due to their laughing fits from the exploratory meeting.....
:huepfenlol2:
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Sorry about the wishful thinking/creative visualizations. Must be the Ripple, Night Train, Cisco, Sterno, cleaning fluid, Jamaican lamb's bread, Turkish hash, clear light acid, Sonoran peyote, Mazatlan mescaline, Pedro's psilocybin, Omar's opium, and even some forum rumors. Hey, a guy can dream of this ride, can't he?
Absolutely. That's probably the next best thing to actually riding them.
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especially if it won't need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it.
who ever heard of a harley that didnt need thousands of extra $$$$ put into it.
Don's red bikes never cost me a penny. Maybe I need a red bike?
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Red is the fastest color.
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Don's red bikes never cost me a penny. Maybe I need a red bike?
You've got a red bike dipstick :oops: .
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I heard that the Tri-Glide would be partially constructed in South Dakota shipped to York for the remainder of assembly where it will be fully born as a HD. MSRP to be under 30k
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You've got a red bike dipstick :oops: .
If he has the red dipstick (did not know these were available in colors) he should get the bike to match. :nixweiss:
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You've got a red bike dipstick :oops: .
I've never spent a penny on it neither.
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Don's red bikes never cost me a penny. Maybe I need a red bike?
Yes you do! Hey wait, isnt your foster bike red? It didn't cost you any money either. Oh yeah and the Vrod...well that did cost you a little bit. :oops:
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I've never spent a penny on it neither.
No, you just had to sign the "I was wrong" notice. Money would have been cheaper over the long term man. That is still going to cost you big time someday.
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Don's red bike cost me plenty.
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Don's red bike cost me plenty.
me too....... ???
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You get some interesting stuff when you Google things like "Harley 150 cubic", "Harley 2460cc", etc. Mostly custom builds and drag bikes, but also some 2005 gov'ment docs for Harley. Looks like Harley has done some R&D for a monster block for a while. Your info on this? Meanwhile, I'm on my way to the Ace Hardware Store and behind the Promised Land Package Store to pick up some consumables for an enjoyable afternoon.
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You get some interesting stuff when you Google things like "Harley 150 cubic", "Harley 2460cc", etc. Mostly custom builds and drag bikes, but also some 2005 gov'ment docs for Harley. Looks like Harley has done some R&D for a monster block for a while. Your info on this? Meanwhile, I'm on my way to the Ace Hardware Store and behind the Promised Land Package Store to pick up some consumables for an enjoyable afternoon.
Rock on! :2vrolijk_21:
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No, you just had to sign the "I was wrong" notice. Money would have been cheaper over the long term man. That is still going to cost you big time someday.
You can not fix a problem if you never admit you have a problem. Hello, my name is HogBreath and I'm a compulsive HarleyHolic.
Yes you do! Hey wait, isnt your foster bike red? It didn't cost you any money either. Oh yeah and the Vrod...well that did cost you a little bit. :oops:
Your red bike hasn't cost me anything either Mr. Ghost Rider
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It is my duty to report that I ALMOST have spent $750 on my SEULTRA. I blame the forum here, the riders here who post pics, all those threads on bike stuff, and Global Warming.
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You can not fix a problem if you never admit you have a problem. Hello, my name is HogBreath and I'm a compulsive HarleyHolic.
Your red bike hasn't cost me anything either Mr. Ghost Rider
Oh I beg to differ. Because I bought my bike, I joined this site, and because of the site I met some great people like yourself, and because your a great guy you have invited me to you house, and because I'm a great guy I accepted. At which point I drank you beer :drink: ate your food :smilie_koch1: and slept on your couch :smilie_staub:. Ergo, my bike has cost you money. :wink3:
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Oh I beg to differ. Because I bought my bike, I joined this site, and because of the site I met some great people like yourself, and because your a great guy you have invited me to you house, and because I'm a great guy I accepted. At which point I drank you beer :drink: ate your food :smilie_koch1: and slept on your couch :smilie_staub:. Ergo, my bike has cost you money. :wink3:
All I can think of to say is...Payback's a bitch. Mebbe I should stay with you when I come to see John. how many beers did you drink at my house? I'll be sure and drink more at your's. Plus, if I were you, I'd count & weigh the silverware BEFORE I arrived, and before I head out of the driveway.
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All I can think of to say is...Payback's a bitch. Mebbe I should stay with you when I come to see John. how many beers did you drink at my house? I'll be sure and drink more at your's. Plus, if I were you, I'd count & weigh the silverware BEFORE I arrived, and before I head out of the driveway.
What makes you think I have any silverware? This is Missouri baby, all the utinsils we need are on the end of our arms. :huepfenlol2:
I lost count on the beers, but it couldn't have been more than two or three...
an hour. :bananarock: :drink:
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me too....... ???
me three
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me three.
Wait a minute, that number is already taken.......
ummmmmm...
me 46.
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Sooooooooooo....... what do you guys think is on the horizon for the 2009 SE's.......
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So far the info has it that they will have 2 wheels, unless they do a trike & then there would be 3.
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I would bet it has a gas tank...
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and a little more chrome then the production line bikes. Probably a different paint job too.
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I would bet it has a gas tank...
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So far the info has it that they will have 2 wheels, unless they do a trike & then there would be 3.
Or 4. ::) Remember that Harley made golf carts at one point. The ol AMF days, I believe. :-X har! :drink: spyder
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Or 4. ::) Remember that Harley made golf carts at one point. The ol AMF days, I believe. :-X har! :drink: spyder
Yep.
The much rumored training wheel model Harley could also have 4 wheels, but 2 of them would be kinda small.
:drink:
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Who knows,, maybe, just maybe Harley will come out with the first Hybrid motorcycle for 2009.. Just think of the tax credit we would get :2vrolijk_21: Do you think Hoist would be able to get 'Wheelies' with one of them.
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Steel prices are increasing, and lumber prices falling. Why not a HD made of lumber?
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and a little more chrome then the production line bikes. Probably a different paint job too.
:devil:
And costs more?
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And costs more?
but of course. ;)
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Steel prices are increasing, and lumber prices falling. Why not a HD made of lumber?
That explains this new insert in the HD Extended W-----ty. Appears to be an extra charge....
(http://www.coastalbusiness.net/orkinpestcontrol/orkin-logo.gif)
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Steel prices are increasing, and lumber prices falling. Why not a HD made of lumber?
All joking aside, I am surprised they have not gone to composites more in their H-D brand. They are using a lot of it in the Buell's.
B B
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All joking aside, I am surprised they have not gone to composites more in their H-D brand. They are using a lot of it in the Buell's.
B B They are using that for the gas tank of the XR1200.
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
About 4 pages ago someone declared that the 2009' s would be the...
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
So can anybody confirm???
When is the dealer show July 24th???
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
About 4 pages ago someone declared that the 2009' s would be the...
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
So can anybody confirm???
When is the dealer show July 24th???
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
About 4 pages ago someone declared that the 2009' s would be the...
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
So can anybody confirm???When is the dealer show July 24th???
Yes, I can confirm that someone declared that about 4 pages back.... ::) :P
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Yes, I can confirm that someone declared that about 4 pages back.... ::) :P
Well, I'm new to the board and haven't got ALL the techno info I need yet, but beyond that I love this board -- you guys are totally hilarious! (http://emoticons4u.com/happy/1002.gif)
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Well, I'm new to the board and haven't got ALL the techno info I need yet, but beyond that I love this board -- you guys are totally hilarious! (http://emoticons4u.com/happy/1002.gif)
That's cause you gotta be nuts to spend $35,000 on a Harley and then spend another $8K or so making it " special"
B B
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That's cause you gotta be nuts to spend $35,000 on a Harley and then spend another $8K or so making it " special"
B B
You say that BB like that's a problem!
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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That's cause you gotta be nuts to spend $35,000 on a Harley and then spend another $8K or so making it " special"
B B
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I most certainly am not NUTS, am I. :nixweiss:
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One thing we can usually agree on is that we are all nuts. $40k in bikes we are still adding $$ to.....
Glad I stopped at $750 or I'd be broke by now.... :huepfenlol2:
If the MoCo chooses 2009 to "Go Green" it could be a weirder than usual year.
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One thing we can usually agree on is that we are all nuts. $40k in bikes we are still adding $$ to.....
Glad I stopped at $750 or I'd be broke by now.... :huepfenlol2:
If the MoCo chooses 2009 to "Go Green" it could be a weirder than usual year.
Yeah, we could get the initial kit for less. :huepfenlol2: ;D
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One thing we can usually agree on is that we are all nuts. $40k in bikes we are still adding $$ to.....
Glad I stopped at $750 or I'd be broke by now.... :huepfenlol2:
If the MoCo chooses 2009 to "Go Green" it could be a weirder than usual year.
I heard they were making an Al Gore model!
Sean
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
2009's
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
BOY it sure is a well kept secret this year. Usually by now we have some sort of confirmation. I wonder if this list is close. Even the guys at the Tomahawk plant are quiet.....
So can anybody confirm???
When is the dealer show July 24th???
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
2009's
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
So can anybody confirm???
With just a little investigatory effort I actually can. Give me three weeks or so and I can absolutely tell you for sure.
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I heard they were making an Al Gore model!
Sean
I heard they were making a GW Bush model
It's Nucular :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
B B
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I heard they were making a GW Bush model
It's Nucular :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
B B
It's true. The design concept came from the HD Office for Strategeric Thinking.
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
2009's
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
So can anybody confirm???
I do not think the Tri-Glide will be a CVO. The others are right.
Ride safely,
Louis
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I do not think the Tri-Glide will be a CVO. The others are right.
Ride safely,
Louis
Scratch the Road Glide. Ain't gonna happen.
B B
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Spiderman,
Why are you saying that??? It's definitely TRUE!
I waited till I knew for sure, before I piped in. The 4 models will be as posted.
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None of them will matter to me if they still have the 110 engine in them. IF they change, I will be back in the market for another CVO!!
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I just "WISH" that they would "Ultra-size" the Road Glide. I still can't believe they haven't
done it. I have 2 people I know, who spent MEGA to do their own.
I even talked to my dealer once, to see how much it would be to convert an Ultra, to a RG!
It came our much less then adding on all the rest to make it an Ultra.
That would be my dream bike, an SE Ultra-sized Road Glige!
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Good point Cobaltman,
I have my trusty 06-103, and I was going to trade for an 08 Ultra, but changed my mind, just because of the 110.
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Spiderman,
Why are you saying that??? It's definitely TRUE!
I waited till I knew for sure, before I piped in. The 4 models will be as posted.
Separate thread started today on the subject tazmun
B B
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Separate thread started today on the subject tazmun
B B
So where is this thread? Can Fat cats read it? ;D :2vrolijk_21:
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So where is this thread? Can Fat cats read it? ;D :2vrolijk_21:
NO CVO ROAD GLIDES THIS YEAR is the subject line of the thread
B B
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
So can anybody confirm???
BOY, This is sure hard to confirm. Last year we had figured out the new CVO's by now. Even the guys at the Tomahawk HD plant are quiet...
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NO CVO ROAD GLIDES THIS YEAR is the subject line of the thread
B B
BB
That thread is almost a year old.
It was correct for 08.
:2vrolijk_21:
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Looks like a lot of people sure want a RG
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BB
That thread is almost a year old.
It was correct for 08.
:2vrolijk_21:
Wishing does not make it so
I see the fact that the old thread popped up again today as an omen Chip
Besides, what do you care. You've got the best damn cool blue SERG on the site and perhaps on the planet
You don't expect me to believe that you're gonna buy an 09 SERG even if they make one do you ?
With a 110 motor ???
B B
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They should be able to sell them all... I hope those who want a road glide have their name on the list in case it comes true
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Wishing does not make it so
I see the fact that the old thread popped up again today as an omen Chip
Besides, what do you care. You've got the best damn cool blue SERG on the site and perhaps on the planet
You don't expect me to believe that you're gonna buy an 09 SERG even if they make one do you ?
With a 110 motor ???
B B
I am!
So we can SERG together when you come visit.
Don't tell anyone, but I heard those SERG guys are crazy!
:2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21: :2vrolijk_21:
And I promise to take pictures of the 01 this weekend. (no rear shots allowed)
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You've got the best damn cool blue SERG on the site and perhaps on the planet
B B
BB
No offense intended to you but my role models for the blue SERG are Hobo's and Scooter's!
Now there are some fine bikes!
Someday mine will look as good as theirs!
:2vrolijk_21:
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OK ......well back to the real subject ...
fatbob
ultra
road glide
springer
tri glide
So can anybody confirm???
BOY, This is sure hard to confirm. Last year we had figured out the new CVO's by now. Even the Guy's at the Tomahawk HD plant are quiet...
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THE QUESTION STILL IS WHAT WILLTHE 2009'S BE AND HOW MANY WILL THEY MAKE. I WOULD SURE LIKE TO SEE A SEEG OR STREET GLIDE
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BB
No offense intended to you but my role models for the blue SERG are Hobo's and Scooter's!
Now there are some fine bikes!
Someday mine will look as good as theirs!
:2vrolijk_21:
They must be some special then.
The paint on yours is off the charts
B B
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For lack of information on Touring models posted on the EPA site, my bet is 'We are going to see new water cooled Touring Model's' for 2009. I don't see any other reason why Harley would not post informlation along with the Softail models as they have. I betza the EPA site will post this infomation the day of the Dealers show. What do ya think gang?? They are holding the cat in the bag for some reason
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For lack of information on Touring models posted on the EPA site, my bet is 'We are going to see new water cooled Touring Model's' for 2009. I don't see any other reason why Harley would not post informlation along with the Softail models as they have. I betza the EPA site will post this infomation the day of the Dealers show. What do ya think gang?? They are holding the cat in the bag for some reason
I don't think so. I doubt if they will introduce anything that major this year. Chip has already assured us that the CVO's will have the 110 platform again in '09, so I can't imagine them releasing a non-cvo liquid cooled touring bike, unless it is a completely new model such as a trike. Then again, what the hell do I know. I never even met Willie G's pool boy.
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I keep hearing the 110's will be in the 09 CVO's as well. My contact is only a distant relative of a friend of a pizza boy, so nowhere near as reliable as a pool boy in TOP SECRET CORP model introductions......
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Somone needs to find out who's Karen Davidon's poolboy is :bananarock:
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I don't think so. I doubt if they will introduce anything that major this year. Chip has already assured us that the CVO's will have the 110 platform again in '09, so I can't imagine them releasing a non-cvo liquid cooled touring bike, unless it is a completely new model such as a trike. Then again, what the hell do I know. I never even met Willie G's pool boy.
Travis
You know everything!
You live closer to Don than anyone.
And Don knows the poolboy!
And how much more accurate can you get than poolboy info!
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well guys, ijust talk to a friend of mine who works at a HD dealership I dont want to say name or position but he just told me that he accidently saw the info on CVO BIKES, for 09 and he saw fltrse,springer,ultras and dinas so i will wait hopefully for a roadglide. i asked him about the engine and he told me that looks like its going to be 110 which i hope he is wrong, having had problems before with that engine,so we will wait and see.
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Dyna fatbob
Ultra
Road glide
Springer
Tri Glide (non CVO)
(the above info supplied by the poolboy)
Place your orders!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Silver-Black,
Seems like most are hearing the models you mention. Now I wonder if they will cut production compared to previous years??
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he told me that looks like its going to be 110
:vrolijk27: :zstupid: Let's hope that's not right, but MOCO has been known to repeat headaches. Makes me appreciate the 103" even more and hold off on any thoughts of going for anything new if true.
:drink:
Joe
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And how much more accurate can you get than poolboy info!
:2vrolijk_21:
The only thing better than the poolboy has got to be the poolboy's shadow. Because, of course, The Shadow knows ??? .
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Because, of course, The Shadow knows ??? .
Of course!
:2vrolijk_21:
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cvojoe,
I agree my 103 has been flawless even after 25k (granted the chrome sucked)
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cvojoe,
I agree my 103 has been flawless even after 25k (granted the chrome sucked)
Hey bbrown, how many miles on your Huckleberry now? :nixweiss: spyder
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25K +
BY THE WAY wE LIKE BbLACK AND BLUE BETTER
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When I picked up th SERK at Texoma HD on July 1st the owner said the production will drop down to 2003 levels and a new dealer allocation plan has been approved by the board. He also said they will continue to offer chrome and tee shirts in the parts dept. What a relief.
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Dyna fatbob
Ultra
Road glide
Springer
Tri Glide (non CVO)
(the above info supplied by the poolboy)
Place your orders!
:2vrolijk_21:
Most reliable source - the pool boy know!
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When I picked up th SERK at Texoma HD on July 1st the owner said the production will drop down to 2003 levels and a new dealer allocation plan has been approved by the board. He also said they will continue to offer chrome and tee shirts in the parts dept. What a relief.
In 2003 they extended production by a month or two because of the 100th anniversary. To me that would mean they produced more in '03 then other years. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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I believe that 03 were produced by the azzpile!
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I believe that 03 were produced by the azzpile!
Is that the same guy that engineered the 110's?
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Cam tensioner dude, the grankid of the pan head valve seat inventor!
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They are all from the same gene pool....
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They are all from the same gene pool....
I went to high school with Gene Pool. No relation to Pool Boy, by the way.
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In 2003 they extended production by a month or two because of the 100th anniversary. To me that would mean they produced more in '03 then other years. :nixweiss:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
So you must have knowledge that they did not increase production capacity after 2003 which might have increased production without extending the number of production days.
I will bet that if you look at the number of bikes built in 2003 and on that you will find a steady increase in production.
Tom Bergmann, chief financial officer and head of strategy, said: “We have taken 25,000 units out from our production, but we’ll still ship around 300,000 motorcycles this year.”
U.S. sales of Harley-Davidson motorcycles were down 12.8 percent during the first quarter. For that reason, Milwaukee-based Harley-Davidson announced in April that it planned to let 370 unionized workers and 360 nonproduction workers go nationwide. The company wants to ship fewer bikes than it sells. That would be a return to the business model that served the company well during the late '90s and the earlier part of this decade, when people were waiting as long as six months for a Harley.
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anybody who would continue to throw good money after bad on products that are this poor...it reminds me when honda and then toyota and nissan were kicking the auto makers butts a few years ago...if you want to slow down production then we need to get out there and express to our fellow riders the quality and mechanical issues that are continuing to be produced..perhaps standing in the showrooms on Saturdays speaking about the problems with our bikes would have a slight negative impact on sales, but then again maybe not...that trick did work to get my deposit back on a car once though.
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So you must have knowledge that they did not increase production capacity after 2003 which might have increased production without extending the number of production days.
I will bet that if you look at the number of bikes built in 2003 and on that you will find a steady increase in production.
Tom Bergmann, chief financial officer and head of strategy, said: “We have taken 25,000 units out from our production, but we’ll still ship around 300,000 motorcycles this year.”
U.S. sales of Harley-Davidson motorcycles were down 12.8 percent during the first quarter. For that reason, Milwaukee-based Harley-Davidson announced in April that it planned to let 370 unionized workers and 360 nonproduction workers go nationwide. The company wants to ship fewer bikes than it sells. That would be a return to the business model that served the company well during the late '90s and the earlier part of this decade, when people were waiting as long as six months for a Harley.
I can understand that alittle but in realty I think that only helps the dealers in markup instead of volume for HD itself. I have a hard time thinking that with the messups like with the 110" and other issues that they still expect people to put up with their cocky attitudes, and often chitty service. Why pay a premium for a sub par product and take a beating from the dealer PLUS possibly wait months and months not only to just get the bike you bought but then have it in the shop for weeks on end....arghhhhhhhhhh.....but there are so many hard core HD bikers that this is exactly what will happen.......so to those that buy into that BS good for you, shut your mouths, take the chit you deserve form the dealer and make sure you have a truck or a bike trailer, with that 110" engine you'll need it. If Ford made trucks they were not nearly as reliable as Chev what do you think would happen to Ford, why it's not making the MoCo come to the plate with an equal or better quality product I have no idea, for the price they should have a damn life time warranty with a free loaner when the bike is in the shop for repeat repairs. That would wake them up me thinks. Whew, that feels better.....Who wants a beer?
Bob
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So you must have knowledge that they did not increase production capacity after 2003 which might have increased production without extending the number of production days.
I will bet that if you look at the number of bikes built in 2003 and on that you will find a steady increase in production.
Tom Bergmann, chief financial officer and head of strategy, said: “We have taken 25,000 units out from our production, but we’ll still ship around 300,000 motorcycles this year.”
U.S. sales of Harley-Davidson motorcycles were down 12.8 percent during the first quarter. For that reason, Milwaukee-based Harley-Davidson announced in April that it planned to let 370 unionized workers and 360 nonproduction workers go nationwide. The company wants to ship fewer bikes than it sells. That would be a return to the business model that served the company well during the late '90s and the earlier part of this decade, when people were waiting as long as six months for a Harley.
Don't have any other knowledge other then what's been public, that is not what I was saying, nor was I disputing the fact that production may/will be cut back. Just seems odd that the year mentioned was a year that they extended production by several months. I do realize production has steadily increased each year nor do I have specific numbers for '03, however the fact that they extended the production year would lead me to believe that was one of the higher years of production.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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IMO, they may cut production on the regular bikes, but will never do so on the CVO Baggers, as they sell every one of them they make, regardless of the 110 motor. Hopefully, they'll get that part right in '09.
Personally, if I ever buy another HD, it'll be water cooled, or an 05/06 model.
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Personally, if I ever buy another HD, it'll be water cooled, or an 05/06 model.
YUP,, same here., prefabably a water cooled
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I can understand that alittle but in realty I think that only helps the dealers in markup instead of volume for HD itself. I have a hard time thinking that with the messups like with the 110" and other issues that they still expect people to put up with their cocky attitudes, and often chitty service. Why pay a premium for a sub par product and take a beating from the dealer PLUS possibly wait months and months not only to just get the bike you bought but then have it in the shop for weeks on end....arghhhhhhhhhh.....but there are so many hard core HD bikers that this is exactly what will happen.......so to those that buy into that BS good for you, shut your mouths, take the chit you deserve form the dealer and make sure you have a truck or a bike trailer, with that 110" engine you'll need it. If Ford made trucks they were not nearly as reliable as Chev what do you think would happen to Ford, why it's not making the MoCo come to the plate with an equal or better quality product I have no idea, for the price they should have a damn life time warranty with a free loaner when the bike is in the shop for repeat repairs. That would wake them up me thinks. Whew, that feels better.....Who wants a beer?
Bob
Are you a little aggravated? Understandable. However, the 110s are a very small fraction of the entire production. The vast majority of H-D bikes have the 96 or the V-Rod engines. To me these engines seems to be very reliable. Just a thought.
Ride safely,
Louis
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I would like to see the actual numbers of warranty claims on the 110ci motor. Does anyone know specifics or is the rant about the 110 being a bad motor just personal opinion based on a hand full of people who post on forums such as this? And yes, we are a handful. Look at the number of 110ci motors sold and count the number of members on the site. Can anyone name 100 folks who have had problems? I think there were maybe maybe 16,000 or so 110ci sold in 07 and 08.
If I recall a few years back "everyone" had a bearing spin on the evo motor. I've got lots of buddies who have had several HDs over the years and none had a bearing spin.
I own 2 Ducatis and all the Ducati forums are full of posts about how bad the quality is. Also have a BMW R1200GS, same thing......rear drive units failing left and right. You would think they were falling off the bikes before they were uncrated. I own an 08 Dodge 1 ton with a 6.7 diesel and every Dodge forum is full of posts about how bad they are. Same with the Chevy Duramax, same with the Ford 6.0 and now the 6.4 diesels. My wife has a BMW X5 and if one were to read the BMW forums he may get the impression that it is a miserable excuse for a SUV. I recently bought a .22-.250 and when doing research I found plenty of folks who claim the particular model I bought was junk, couldn't hold a 4" group at 150 yards.
There are forums all over cyberspace with ANYTHING you want to read available on any subject with polar opposite opinions voiced. Until someone shows me numbers related to production and compares it to relative percentage of units, opinions based on individuals personal experience without data are a fart in a hurricane.
Name me a car, truck, motorcycle, boat engine, cell phone, TV, lawn mower, or electric azz wiper and I'll find you plenty of unhappy people who want to convince you they are junk and we should all ban together and sue.
I feel for those who have had problems. I waited over a year to buy a 110ci HD and in that time talked to everyone I could who owned one. I could not find any evidence that the 110ci problems were a bad choice.
Let the rocks fly.
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I would like to see the actual numbers of warranty claims on the 110ci motor. Does anyone know specifics or is the rant about the 110 being a bad motor just personal opinion based on a hand full of people who post on forums such as this? And yes, we are a handful. Look at the number of 110ci motors sold and count the number of members on the site. Can anyone name 100 folks who have had problems? I think there were maybe maybe 16,000 or so 110ci sold in 07 and 08.
If I recall a few years back "everyone" had a bearing spin on the evo motor. I've got lots of buddies who have had several HDs over the years and none had a bearing spin.
I own 2 Ducatis and all the Ducati forums are full of posts about how bad the quality is. Also have a BMW R1200GS, same thing......rear drive units failing left and right. You would think they were falling off the bikes before they were uncrated. I own an 08 Dodge 1 ton with a 6.7 diesel and every Dodge forum is full of posts about how bad they are. Same with the Chevy Duramax, same with the Ford 6.0 and now the 6.4 diesels. My wife has a BMW X5 and if one were to read the BMW forums he may get the impression that it is a miserable excuse for a SUV. I recently bought a .22-.250 and when doing research I found plenty of folks who claim the particular model I bought was junk, couldn't hold a 4" group at 150 yards.
There are forums all over cyberspace with ANYTHING you want to read available on any subject with polar opposite opinions voiced. Until someone shows me numbers related to production and compares it to relative percentage of units, opinions based on individuals personal experience without data are a fart in a hurricane.
Name me a car, truck, motorcycle, boat engine, cell phone, TV, lawn mower, or electric azz wiper and I'll find you plenty of unhappy people who want to convince you they are junk and we should all ban together and sue.
I feel for those who have had problems. I waited over a year to buy a 110ci HD and in that time talked to everyone I could who owned one. I could not find any evidence that the 110ci problems were a bad choice.
Let the rocks fly.
Not a rock thrower myself, not many around these parts but back when I lived in Texas they were sure plentiful.... ;)
Not everyone with a 110 has had a problem. Quite a few members here have. Apparently the MoCo knew there was a problem for a while, but did not know how to fix it. Some will claim they still do not know how to fix it, and that may or may not be true. Opinions are like azzholes, everyone has one and most all of them stink. My opinion is the MoCo will fix the problems on the 110's that have problems.. It is in their best interest to do so, since they are a corp. and are very interested in continuing to make money.
Your point is a good one - 110's with problems vs those with no problems. My guess is that around 30% have failed, but that is just a guess. Some have failed several times and that may be due to incorrect parts, incorrect wrenching, or a combination of both. This forum represents more CVO owners than any other forum and our members are passionate about their bikes. Reading the threads here that were started by folks before & after the thread I started, there are quite a few 110's here that have had a variety of problems - crank run out as well as head gasket (cylinder slip) failures. So the number may not approach 100%, but it is substantial when you consider that only a small % of CVO owners with 110's post here.
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consider that only a small % of CVO owners with 110's post here.
My point exactly. 16,000 plus units sold, a handful of complaints. I would love to see some stats on what motivates people to begin participating on "motorhead" forums. It may be that when people have a problem with a product thay seek advise, information, sympathy etc. from others in the same situation.
But I am going to write a post on Cuttinhorse.com and complain about the sorry good for nuthin cattle I got stuck with this weekend at the World Paint Horse Show in Ft Worth. Dang conspiracy I'm tellin ya. :soapbox:
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My point exactly. 16,000 plus units sold, a handful of complaints. I would love to see some stats on what motivates people to begin participating on "motorhead" forums. It may be that when people have a problem with a product thay seek advise, information, sympathy etc. from others in the same situation.
But I am going to write a post on Cuttinhorse.com and complain about the sorry good for nuthin cattle I got stuck with this weekend at the World Paint Horse Show in Ft Worth. Dang conspiracy I'm tellin ya. :soapbox:
A few began their posting lives here with a problem, but most were posting here long before they had a problem. I was one of those folks, and with 17k on the bike figured my chances were looking pretty good then the bike leaked front & rear. Not sure what % here who post have had 110 problems but it may approach 50% now. Many still do not have any problems, except when they go to auction & return with a load of cattle that eat too damn much...... ;)
Have not been to Joe T's in a while, need to get by there on the next trip over.
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My point exactly. 16,000 plus units sold, a handful of complaints. I would love to see some stats on what motivates people to begin participating on "motorhead" forums. It may be that when people have a problem with a product thay seek advise, information, sympathy etc. from others in the same situation.
But I am going to write a post on Cuttinhorse.com and complain about the sorry good for nuthin cattle I got stuck with this weekend at the World Paint Horse Show in Ft Worth. Dang conspiracy I'm tellin ya. :soapbox:
16,000 units/year and many failures (also in the thousands) isn't a very good track record. It only serves to prove that the motor was undengineered/designed and never properly tested. Since the numbers are so small, HD's "wait and see how bad it gets" approach is typical response of the MoCo. Most don't ride em or wouldn't begin to know where to look for the problem. I find em on the road at gas stops all the time. The guy never had a clue he was leaking. Ya like the bike, get one. But don't be sitting there holding your breath that they're gonna fix this 110 mess. You might just turn blue! FTF & FTW!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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16,000 units/year and many failures (also in the thousands)
Hoist! 8)
Where do those numbers come from? "(also in the thousands)" This is the point of what I am trying to get out. Often people say things that may mislead others, unintentionally of course ;) How many members are on this forum? How many have had problems? How many 110ci sold? Without data, it is not very helpful information other than to know there is a potential to have a leak just as there is a potential to have a problem with anything mechanical.
As far as being under engineered and under designed. What is that statement based on? The most OVER designed mechanisms in the world are products that must meet U.S. military specs. That is why they cost so much. The testing, validation, field trials, design reviews are frickin unbeilevable compared to a civilian product. Ever hear of the V-22 Osprey? It has gone through many design reviews by the customer BEFORE they crashed 2 in 6 months a few years ago due to "design" failures. Ever heard of a M-16 jamb? Do you think Uncle Sam just said "just give me what you got, don't worry about field tests" Stuff happens, engineers are human. You want an big inch air cooled engine you gotta live with a lot of thermal expansion issues until metallurgy catches up. Then you won't like the price for the materials it takes to match the coefficient of thermal expansion inherent with a machinable allloy.
I'm tellin ya. Pull any make and model vehicle out of the air and get on the internet and read what people have to say. Or save the effort cuz you going to find a whole bunch of people who think they are all POS.
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That would be a return to the business model that served the company well during the late '90s and the earlier part of this decade, when people were waiting as long as six months for a Harley.
Yea lets hope Harley follows this model. Remember the days when we 'made' money on our re-sells. I do, i sold a 96 Softail Deluxe for $21,500 in 1998. I made money on that deal...and had people standing in line to buy it... :orange:
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Where do those numbers come from? "(also in the thousands)" This is the point of what I am trying to get out. Often people say things that may mislead others, unintentionally of course ;) How many members are on this forum? How many have had problems? How many 110ci sold? Without data, it is not very helpful information other than to know there is a potential to have a leak just as there is a potential to have a problem with anything mechanical.
As far as being under engineered and under designed. What is that statement based on? The most OVER designed mechanisms in the world are products that must meet U.S. military specs. That is why they cost so much. The testing, validation, field trials, design reviews are frickin unbeilevable compared to a civilian product. Ever hear of the V-22 Osprey? It has gone through many design reviews by the customer BEFORE they crashed 2 in 6 months a few years ago due to "design" failures. Ever heard of a M-16 jamb? Do you think Uncle Sam just said "just give me what you got, don't worry about field tests" Stuff happens, engineers are human. You want an big inch air cooled engine you gotta live with a lot of thermal expansion issues until metallurgy catches up. Then you won't like the price for the materials it takes to match the coefficient of thermal expansion inherent with a machinable allloy.
I'm tellin ya. Pull any make and model vehicle out of the air and get on the internet and read what people have to say. Or save the effort cuz you going to find a whole bunch of people who think they are all POS.
Don't know why you're so hung up on these 110's maybe not being do bad after all. When HD develops a new motor, either themselves or with outside help, they spend time, money and engineereing to develop it, and try to get it right. Then they test the chit out of it. When something comes up afterwards, they make a design change and fix it. But this 110 was an afterthought for CVO's, after developing the 96". With 103 conversions easily done to 96" with simple barrel replacement, they needed to do something special for the '07 CVO's. WTF, just bore it out to 4". How bad can we screw things up that way? Well, with these cases not necessarily designed for very large bores, and never making EPA motors this large, they got it wrong. It can be easily fixed by designing good 4" barrels and replacing them all. Which they haven't attempted to do at all. Replacing gaskets after 2 years of this is total BS! But if you think such a repeatable problem on many of these POS 110's is not representitive of the poor design and quality of their flagship engine, then enjoy your perfect 110 motor! ::) ;)
Hoist! 8)
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My point exactly. 16,000 plus units sold, a handful of complaints. I would love to see some stats on what motivates people to begin participating on "motorhead" forums.
The failures are not universal. Obviously. They are significant compared to contemporary expectations of modern manufacturing though. Even though it is completely anecdotal our community here illustrates at least that much.
Harley will of course publicly release no such data in the form of hard numbers. That Harley has addressed, readdressed and readdressed again a continuing problem with redundant head gasket revisions gives light to the obvious fact of a problem. No one, especially parsimonious Harley Davidson, is going to spend the R&D and other time/expense to develop and deploy what has been three different head gaskets in a span of just over a year if there were no problem.
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I would like to see the actual numbers of warranty claims on the 110ci motor. Does anyone know specifics or is the rant about the 110 being a bad motor just personal opinion based on a hand full of people who post on forums such as this? And yes, we are a handful. Look at the number of 110ci motors sold and count the number of members on the site. Can anyone name 100 folks who have had problems? I think there were maybe maybe 16,000 or so 110ci sold in 07 and 08.
If I recall a few years back "everyone" had a bearing spin on the evo motor. I've got lots of buddies who have had several HDs over the years and none had a bearing spin.
I own 2 Ducatis and all the Ducati forums are full of posts about how bad the quality is. Also have a BMW R1200GS, same thing......rear drive units failing left and right. You would think they were falling off the bikes before they were uncrated. I own an 08 Dodge 1 ton with a 6.7 diesel and every Dodge forum is full of posts about how bad they are. Same with the Chevy Duramax, same with the Ford 6.0 and now the 6.4 diesels. My wife has a BMW X5 and if one were to read the BMW forums he may get the impression that it is a miserable excuse for a SUV. I recently bought a .22-.250 and when doing research I found plenty of folks who claim the particular model I bought was junk, couldn't hold a 4" group at 150 yards.
There are forums all over cyberspace with ANYTHING you want to read available on any subject with polar opposite opinions voiced. Until someone shows me numbers related to production and compares it to relative percentage of units, opinions based on individuals personal experience without data are a fart in a hurricane.
Name me a car, truck, motorcycle, boat engine, cell phone, TV, lawn mower, or electric azz wiper and I'll find you plenty of unhappy people who want to convince you they are junk and we should all ban together and sue.
I feel for those who have had problems. I waited over a year to buy a 110ci HD and in that time talked to everyone I could who owned one. I could not find any evidence that the 110ci problems were a bad choice.
Let the rocks fly.
Horse, I think you're dead right on this! It's a know fact that unhappy customers speak a lot louder and a lot more often than happy customers.
Look at Hoist. A prime example!
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Don't know why you're so hung up on these 110's maybe not being do bad after all. When HD develops a new motor, either themselves or with outside help, they spend time, money and engineereing to develop it, and try to get it right. Then they test the chit out of it. When something comes up afterwards, they make a design change and fix it. But this 110 was an afterthought for CVO's, after developing the 96". With 103 conversions easily done to 96" with simple barrel replacement, they needed to do something special for the '07 CVO's. WTF, just bore it out to 4". How bad can we screw things up that way? Well, with these cases not necessarily designed for very large bores, and never making EPA motors this large, they got it wrong. It can be easily fixed by designing good 4" barrels and replacing them all. Which they haven't attempted to do at all. Replacing gaskets after 2 years of this is total BS! But if you think such a repeatable problem on many of these POS 110's is not representitive of the poor design and quality of their flagship engine, then enjoy your perfect 110 motor! ::) ;)
Hoist! 8)
Don't get too hung up on it Howie. It's human nature to hope/believe yours won't be the next one to fail. And they have been getting better. The more recently acquired bikes have not seemed to have been falling with the rapidity they were five or six months ago. The new member here is hopeful. That's fine. And if he never has a problem that will be wonderful. If he should be unfortunate enough to fall in the procession, however, he won't have been the first to offer up hopeful expectations of future performance and doubts of past reports; right up until the time their own failed too.
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Horse, I think you're dead right on this! It's a know fact that unhappy customers speak a lot louder and a lot more often than happy customers.
Look at Hoist. A prime example!
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Hehehehehe. Thanks Tommy for my chuckle of the day. :2vrolijk_21:
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Horse, I think you're dead right on this! It's a know fact that unhappy customers speak a lot louder and a lot more often than happy customers.
Look at Hoist. A prime example!
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No Tommy, loud customers speak louder than quiet customers! ;D
Good or bad, some speak up, some don't. Some know what they're looking at and doing, some don't. Some know what they're talking about, some don't. But if ya don't think the reporting of 110 problems here are like any other poll, I don't know what to tell ya. There's a margin of error of course. But we pretty well should represent percentage wise, a fair picture of what's going on with the 110. REPEATABLE problem with head gaskets leaking. No coincience here. Just poor design. And easily fixable. ;)
Geez, what's with the new kick here that maybe we're all wrong about these 110's? Must be looking at '09's huh? :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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This conversation / debate reminds me of the Pealing Chrome issue a couple of years ago. I remember crossing my fingers hoping I would get by. And after two sets of Detonator Wheel replacements I did manage to get BY. :huepfenjump3: dave
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Don't know why you're so hung up on these 110's maybe not being do bad after all.
But this 110 was an afterthought for CVO's,
Hoist! 8)
Ain't hung up on anything other than asking for numbers which knowone can give. Seems a lot of people are hung up on things like the 110ci being an afterthought. If someone had creds, such as having been on the design team, or perhaps really is Willy G's pool boy ;) Then I would tend to want to validate this 110ci story. But I spent a year trying to validate that it was out of the normal statistical problem and all I can find is the same thing I found when I looked at every other product on the market. People with problems VENT about them. Now, maybe there are are higher percent of issues with the 110ci than most. I don't know. I just would like to see SOMETHING to back up the rhetoric. That is all. I love my 110. I may or may not have a problem. I didn't just go plunk down $29,735 without doing some research. If some people blindly bought what they thought was an afterthough design then I feel sorry for them. I ain't out to make enemies. But if someone asks me what I think of the 110ci I'm not likely to give them anything but the facts as I know them. I have no facts other than I can find about 40 people out of 16,000 who have said they have a problem. Maybe 15,000 have had a problem. I don't know, like I said, I would like facts.it is just the way I am wired. No better than you, just different.
I'll quit being hung up and go complain about something I know for a fact is all messed up. And that is the cost of diesel fuel :soapbox: Peace
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In 2004...My then New B/B SEEG was perfect in my eyes, then someone posted about peeling chrome wheels. I go to the garage and run a finger along the chrome and, all of a sudden felt a bubble and then felt it pop and watched the chrome peel away...internet anecdotal evidence confirmed. Factory replaced peeling chrome wheels with new ones.
in 2006...beautiful chrimson/charcoal CUSE sits in the garage, perfect in my eyes, then someone posts pictures of the milk dud paint job under direct bright light. I once again go to the garage and grab my 500 watt halogen light and shine it on the fairing and, yup there was the milky way in all its glory. factory replaced paint with new parts.
later in 2008, that old reliable 103Cid engine sh!t the bed in Prescott Arizona with multiple problems...the puked out oil under the bike in the garage attributed to failed seal in the primary...when fixed, the tech wouldn't let me take the bike...new problem with scored bearings and cams...so much for the reliable 103. Note, engine had 44K, pipes/air cleaner and power commander tune, no engine work...I won't discuss 2007 since I attribute that to Service Departments failure to diagnose a problem likely caused by a sever bump on the highway...
My new 2008...well, we will see. I understand Hoists position and history has shown to me that there can be fire where you see smoke when it comes to these bikes and posting on sites such as this. But I also think, and sorry hoist, that you are also an overly animated angry owner. There is no doubt that horse is right that on these boards you often see the extreme cases where there are individuals that expect more than they should.
I just want a reliable ridable bike...but
I also check for rear cylinder oil leaks more now because of all the posts regarding it...
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Now, maybe there are are higher percent of issues with the 110ci than most. I don't know. I just would like to see SOMETHING to back up the rhetoric.
"SOMETHING" really is multiple head gasket revisions in a short time to address something. They aren't changed for lack of reason. That is both illustrative and fact. As for quantification we only have the community of riders to go by.
As was written above. EVERYONE started out without a problem. They weren't yet failed on the dealership floor. It's not a valid statistical cohort. But it is at least suggestive that the membership here has had the number of failures they have. It's an overall small number of 110s relative to entire production. But that small number has a significant failure rate within its count.
A few months ago one of our cadre asked me to attempt to quantify "some group." I don't know why and didn't ask. But helped him out. I could definitely assign ownership of 118 110" engines on distinct motorcycles. Of those 118 I could document reports of 23 head gasket, ACR or crankshaft/oil pump problems. That's an almost 20% rate of failure of components significant enough to strand a rider. And that's just those that spoke up. By any standard that's significant.
I don't own one. Don't have a dog in the 110 fight. I can still see they haven't held up as they should though. That does not mean that I don't wish you and every other 110 rider nothing but good luck with the ride. It also means that in at least prior production the odds of problem were far more likely than anywould should hope for.
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No Tommy, loud customers speak louder than quiet customers! ;D
Good or bad, some speak up, some don't. Some know what they're looking at and doing, some don't. Some know what they're talking about, some don't. But if ya don't think the reporting of 110 problems here are like any other poll, I don't know what to tell ya. There's a margin of error of course. But we pretty well should represent percentage wise, a fair picture of what's going on with the 110. REPEATABLE problem with head gaskets leaking. No coincience here. Just poor design. And easily fixable. ;)
Geez, what's with the new kick here that maybe we're all wrong about these 110's? Must be looking at '09's huh? :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
Howie, I will disagree with you there. As I have said before, I don't think this forum is a good representation of H-D's customer base. Obviously we can't put all of our members in the same group, you are a much different rider than I am. But, generally the members here that I would describe as "active" on this forum put more miles on their bikes and know more about them than Harley's average customer. If there is any issue with a CVO bike I would expect our members to find it first, and diagnose the problem first. For a large percentage of Harley owners having a bike means washing it Sunday morning, riding Sunday afternoon, and parking it until next week unless you go to bike night at Hooters. And if they own a CVO they ride it even less because they are worried about "resale value."
I don't believe for a second that if we have a 30% failure rate among members that Harley is experiencing a similar rate on all 110 engines. Now if every 110 owner rode 15k miles or more a year, than I would buy the correlation.
I appreciate Cuttinhorse's point. As a proud 110 owner myself, it does get a little tiring coming to the this forum and constantly reading about how bad your bike sucks because it has a 110 engine. The guy just made a major purchase and would like to feel good about it. Is that so wrong?
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Just callin it as I see it Bill. I'm not an angry owner. I love my bike. Much more than HD, and care enough to get it done right. Not an isolated problem with these 110 Head Gaskets. I know of well over 100 personally. And find em on the road, more often than not, on people's bikes who have never heard of the issue.
I've seen this HD movie before with issues. Wasn't interested in the sequel either. They'll fix em eventually too. Always have. But this REPEATABLE problem, that continued from the '07 model year into '08 sure is a damn smoking gun to me. And like I said, easily fixable. But if so many REPEATABLE problems are good enough for ya'll, then be my guest, keep going back to the dealers to fix it (even though there's no known fix yet)! I fixed mine without them. And my motor's so much bertter than they could have ever delivered. And I'm not bitter. Been doing this chit for years. Love my HD's. Not so much the MoCo. Just stating MHO as I see it. And the way I see it is FTF & FTW!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Just callin it as I see it Bill. I'm not an angry owner. I love my bike. Much more than HD, and care enough to get it done right. Not an isolated problem with these 110 Head Gaskets. I know of well over 100 personally. And find em on the road, more often than not, on people's bikes who have never heard of the issue.
I've seen this HD movie before with issues. Wasn't interested in the sequel either. They'll fix em eventually too. Always have. But this REPEATABLE problem, that continued from the '07 model year into '08 sure is a damn smoking gun to me. And like I said, easily fixable. But if so many REPEATABLE problems are good enough for ya'll, then be my guest, keep going back to the dealers to fix it (even though there's no known fix yet)! I fixed mine without them. And my motor's so much bertter than they could have ever delivered. And I'm not bitter. Been doing this chit for years. Love my HD's. Not so much the MoCo. Just stating MHO as I see it. And the way I see it is FTF & FTW!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Sorry Hoist, FTF & FTW constantly in your posts makes you an Angry Owner...
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The biggest difference between this forum and many of the other vehicle related forums is that the most of the membership here was here BEFORE having the problems. These weren't disgruntled owners looking for a place to vent, but quite the opposite. I started on this forum in September 2006, before owning my 2007 FLHTCUSE2. I got the bike in December and observed the leak in March or April. It was in my garage that I pointed out Hoist's leak to him and I believe Hoist pointed out Hogbreath's leak to him, although I may be wrong on that one.
I will say that without question, EVERY SINGLE 2007 Road King or Ultra that I have personally ridden with has had leaking head gaskets, most multiple times. Hard10 has been through 3 sets. Hogbreath replaced his motor after the second leak. I didn't know Vagabond when his first motor was replaced, but he's had bad problems. Ultrafxr suffered the leaks and then had the motor go south before getting it replaced. Gunn Runner has had his leak repaired. TwoJay had leaks. Dereck has gone through it twice, maybe three times.
The important thing to remember her is that these people are all members of this site that I have ridden with. This is a handful of riders and 100% of them have had the same problem. I don't think any of these people joined this site AFTER they had a leak, all were here for the good things and then suffered the leak.
You're lucky in that you have a late model year 08 with a supposedly running change in the cylinders. Hopefully you won't have a problem, but please get off of this "I want to see numbers or you're all just a bunch of cry babies" chit. We've been living with these problems too long for you to come in here and start off questioning the credibility of the site members you don't even know.
I travelled to the TN HOG rally last year just to get up in front of the HD executives to questoin them about the leaks. In the rally parking lot I parked to a B/O ultra with 2,700 mile I think. I checked it when I got off of my bike. Leaker.
Before going to the Hot Springs rally last year, Hard10 came over and we went by the dealer for a small item. I spotted a 2007 B/B ultra in for an oil change. Leaker! I pointed it out to the SM and he added head gaskets to the work order.
Two weeks ago I was at a Hooters bike night and saw a B/O that had a side car. I looked at the cases and yep! Leaker. I pointed it out to the owner and he indicated that he had just gotten it out of the shop for, you guessed it... head gaskets.
If you're really interested in how bad the problem is, start asking the owners of 2007 RKs and Ultras you see if they have had any problems. I think you'll be amazed at the failure rate.
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:indian_chief:
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:beatdeadhorse:
Sorry Hoist, FTF & FTW constantly in your posts makes you an Angry Owner...
Amen!!!!!
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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:beatdeadhorse:
Sorry Hoist, FTF & FTW constantly in your posts makes you an Angry Owner...
Sorry Bill, it makes me a happy HD motorcycle owner that has felt this way about the MoCo for some time now. And I keep buying HD's. I've been on my own with my HD's for years though. Why is the 110 any different? They all take work to get em the way you want. Never thought I'd have to build my own engine for it. But so be it. So I did. I'm not trying to be in denial because I spent so much $ on a bike and make bekieve it and the MoCo are perfect. I just did what I needed to. But their track record on this motor frankly sucks! And their response to the issue sucks even more. So if FTF & FTW makes me "an angry owner", then so be it as well. I love my SERK and now it's the bike it should'a been. FTF & FTW!!! ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Amen!!!!!
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Good one chithead! ::) :P ;D
Hoist! 8)
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Every HD I have owned(12+) has had some problems, this 110 issue is just a little bigger. Anyone own a valve seat sucking Pan head...Leaks? Anyone own a shovel? I have, they did... Never had a Evo but heard the stories too...
The manual oil pump check valve stuck on my Flattie stuck open and pissed 2 quarts of fresh Morris non-detergent 60 wt oil all over the floor this week...Yup 74 years ago they were buliding leakers. Have 380 miles on the new rebuild and that freakin Morris earl is big bucks! :o :'( ;) ;D :drink:
Hang in there...if you love these things like I do, you'll put up with it..
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Good one chithead! ::) :P ;D
Hoist! 8)
Now that was funny right there.... ::)
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Well, I am the happy owner of a 110 who was unhappy when the damn thing leaked. So far I am the happy owner of a 110 that has been fixed (head gaskets/cylinders) that so far has not leaked AGAIN. Know of 5 others - all 110's - that have been fixed by the local dealer. As best I know, none have come back for repair. This shop did not sell that many 2007 110 CVOs. 5 leakers out of less than 20 sold locally is significant. And the mileage on the other 15 is racking up soooo......
As Chief noted I have also pointed out a few leakers to a few folks who did not know they were riding a leaker. As 2LR noted, HD did not spend mega thousands on new head gaskets & all if they were figuring this was a "less than 1% problem" which would be more in line, statistically with failure expectations on engines. Also, some have failed with more miles (mine at 17k) and others with just a few hundred. So it is a PARTS failure related problem. Will 100% of 110's - 07-08 experience this problem? Possibly not but it is possible they will. Some do not get ridden much, some get ridden a lot.
I like it up here on the :soapbox: You can almost see it's beer thirty from here...... :drink:
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Ima slurppin T&T's...pppppfffftttt! :pineapple:
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Hang in there...if you love these things like I do, you'll put up with it..
And there it is...
I read Chief's post on how many guys he personally knew that have had issues, and I believe everyone of them still has their bike. Some have done more evasive surgeries than others, but they still have their bike. In fact, Gary correct me if I'm wrong, but I only recall reading about one guy who finally just threw in the towel, used them lemon law and returned his bike. There could be more, I just remember that one.
We love these bikes. I personally spend an inordinate amount of time riding, washing, polishing, tinkering, and just staring at my bike. :nixweiss:
Oh, and don't forget Harley Davidson, Inc. is counting on us following Mike's statement. ???
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:idea3: The MoCo needs to contract with CVOHarley members to do quality control testing before any new product is released. We know more about these bikes than the average rider and put more miles on them on average.
Some folks need to cool their britches - Just because you haven't had a problem with your 110 doesn't mean your turn isn't coming. A 5% or less failure rate might be considered acceptable. Someone mentioned a 30% failure rate - I am guessing this may be a conservative number. One thing is for sure....the MoCo ain't never going to leak those numbers, so all we have to go on are the folks on this forum and the other 110 owners that we come across.
The problems are obvious....Head Gaskets - Cylinder Base Gaskets - Crank. When there are obvious reoccurring problems, you would think a large corporation would step up to the plate and make things right. A problem with a product is only an inconvenience until the company that produced the product refuses to acknowledge the problem and take steps to correct the problem. The MoCo is treading on thin ice - They are messing with a "customer loyalty" that has been built over a 105 years.
To those that have not had a problem with their 110, best of luck! I sincerely hope you never have any of the reoccurring problems that so many of us have had. But, if and when you do, we will be here to listen and offer advise to get you through it - that's what we do here ;)
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New bike used to have drip pans under then in the showroom...people still bough em.
You can figure 100% rate of failure of some sort...So far I seem to be the only one with the chitty electric box..
It took about 2 hours to beep it out and fix the crummy terminations in the harness and box...I was still more pizzed at the sealant that never dried under my dash panel gasket, what a pita to clean and reapply a correct material... :huepfenjump3:
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The poolboy's nephew just fax'd a "secret new product development report" to address HD's perceived deficiencies in new product development and consumer handling. It's all going to be subcontracted to Zippers. May God help us all.
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That'd be cool. Accessories AND parts kits to fix deficiencies
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New bike used to have drip pans under then in the showroom...people still bough em.
You can figure 100% rate of failure of some sort...So far I seem to be the only one with the chitty electric box..
It took about 2 hours to beep it out and fix the crummy terminations in the harness and box...I was still more pizzed at the sealant that never dried under my dash panel gasket, what a pita to clean and reapply a correct material... :huepfenjump3:
Are you refering to the "sticky booger snot". No joke, that's what it was refered to by HD Tech Service.
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"subcontracted to Zippers"
That does it.
I am setting my hair on fire (what's left of it) & running for the hills screaming.......
or
I'll have a beer & then have another beer just in case the first one did not take.
Beer thirty here! :drink: :drink: :drink:
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Good one chithead! ::) :P ;D
Hoist! 8)
Yea, that was kind of uncalled for, wasn't it Hoist!
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Yea, that was kind of uncalled for, wasn't it Hoist!
:angel:
Oops, my bad Tommy! ::) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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Oops, my bad Tommy! ::) :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
No! I was referring to Firedood's post!
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You guys are posting stuff that is off topic again.
Of course I never post off topic, except maybe for this post, which is Off Topic but that is the topic of this post, Off Topic.
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Are you refering to the "sticky booger snot". No joke, that's what it was refered to by HD Tech Service.
:indian_chief:
yup....the stuff gave me cramps...now don has made me want to chase iski around...
Stop! drop! and roll! iski please!!! :drink: :P
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but please get off of this "I want to see numbers or you're all just a bunch of cry babies" chit. We've been living with these problems too long for you to come in here and start off questioning the credibility of the site members you don't even know.
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:indian_chief:
Hey Chief, you got some bad stuff in your peace pipe? I never questioned the credibility of anyone. I never hinted that anyone shouldn't complain, I never indicated that I think anyone with a problem is a cry baby. I did say I feel for those who have problems. I did try to say that problems are to be expected with a big inch air cooled engine. I did say I would like to see some numbers. Something wrong with appreciating facts? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I didn't say the problem isn't there.
I didn't say, but I will now, a little leak that so many of the friends you make at gas stations didn't even know they had doesn't seem like a huge issue to me! Heck man, crawl under any vehicle on the planet and I dare you to find very many that don't have a little oil seeping from somewhere. If you have to show a guy his leak, how bad is it? Yes that isn't desirable, but from what I'm hearing, Harley has been working on a fix and seems like they stepped up to the plate on other issues in the past on previous designs.
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I stopped, popped, and....... :drink:
Mike.
Later, bro.
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Drooled???
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Well, I for one, am grateful for CuttingHorse injecting his questions/opinion into this thread, because it's caused the best exchange of members' rants that I've read in some time.......much better than the Obama thread. I am very empathetic with ea. one of the member's stances concerning the problems and appreciate all the perspectives. Very good......I'm still personally looking for peeling chrome and worried about my cam tensioners in the 103 and listening for the inevidible noise from the Ina bearing in my 80. :o :nervous: har! :drink: spyder
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Well, I for one, am grateful for CuttingHorse injecting his questions/opinion into this thread, because it's caused the best exchange of members' rants that I've read in some time.......much better than the Obama thread. I am very empathetic with ea. one of the member's stances concerning the problems and appreciate all the perspectives. Very good......I'm still personally looking for peeling chrome and worried about my cam tensioners in the 103 and listening for the inevidible noise from the Ina bearing in my 80. :o :nervous: har! :drink: spyder
:D :2vrolijk_21:
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Well, I for one, am grateful for CuttingHorse injecting his questions/opinion into this thread, because it's caused the best exchange of members' rants that I've read in some time.......much better than the Obama thread. I am very empathetic with ea. one of the member's stances concerning the problems and appreciate all the perspectives. Very good......I'm still personally looking for peeling chrome and worried about my cam tensioners in the 103 and listening for the inevidible noise from the Ina bearing in my 80. :o :nervous: har! :drink: spyder
Yep, I have swore off the Obama thread! :D
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Yep, I have swore off the Obama thread! :D
But the 2 Mikes are having a blast there! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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But the 2 Mikes are having a blast there! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
Yep, could be........I just couldn't stand anymore of it. Same old crap back and forth. I already know who I am voting against in November.....no need for me to clutter up my head with info in that thread.
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Hey Chief, you got some bad stuff in your peace pipe? I never questioned the credibility of anyone. I never hinted that anyone shouldn't complain, I never indicated that I think anyone with a problem is a cry baby. I did say I feel for those who have problems. I did try to say that problems are to be expected with a big inch air cooled engine. I did say I would like to see some numbers. Something wrong with appreciating facts? I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I didn't say the problem isn't there.
I didn't say, but I will now, a little leak that so many of the friends you make at gas stations didn't even know they had doesn't seem like a huge issue to me! Heck man, crawl under any vehicle on the planet and I dare you to find very many that don't have a little oil seeping from somewhere. If you have to show a guy his leak, how bad is it? Yes that isn't desirable, but from what I'm hearing, Harley has been working on a fix and seems like they stepped up to the plate on other issues in the past on previous designs.
I took your comment of Does anyone know specifics or is the rant about the 110 being a bad motor just personal opinion based on a hand full of people who post on forums such as this?
a clear and intentional attempt to discredit people's actual experiences. It is a fact that these motors are leaking, not just someone's "personal opinion". Just because documented failure rates are not available does not make it that much less of a problem. There are many threads on the site related to this problem. If you are so inclined to go through those threads, you can determine for yourself, just how many of those stricken with the problems, came here because of the problem or were already here when the problem happened to them. When you get those percentages, please share them with all of us as we'll be interested in the results.
It's a fact that not all people are mechanically inclined and don't inspect and examine their bikes or cars as closely as others. The fact that I, and others, have pointed out the early signs of leaks is purely because once you know what to look for, it is very evident. If left unnoticed, it would just be a matter of time before it was noticed by either the owner or the dealer at the next service.
Like I said in my first post, I hope you're lucky enough to not have the same problems a lot of us have been dealing with for over a year. But, until you walk a mile in my oil-soaked mocasins, statements like "a little leak that so many of the friends you make at gas stations didn't even know they had doesn't seem like a huge issue to me!" are just giong to piss me off.
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I took your comment of a clear and intentional attempt to discredit people's actual experiences. It is a fact that these motors are leaking, not just someone's "personal opinion". Just because documented failure rates are not available does not make it that much less of a problem. There are many threads on the site related to this problem. If you are so inclined to go through those threads, you can determine for yourself, just how many of those stricken with the problems, came here because of the problem or were already here when the problem happened to them. When you get those percentages, please share them with all of us as we'll be interested in the results.
It's a fact that not all people are mechanically inclined and don't inspect and examine their bikes or cars as closely as others. The fact that I, and others, have pointed out the early signs of leaks is purely because once you know what to look for, it is very evident. If left unnoticed, it would just be a matter of time before it was noticed by either the owner or the dealer at the next service.
Like I said in my first post, I hope you're lucky enough to not have the same problems a lot of us have been dealing with for over a year. But, until you walk a mile in my oil-soaked mocasins, statements like "a little leak that so many of the friends you make at gas stations didn't even know they had doesn't seem like a huge issue to me!" are just giong to piss me off.
:indian_chief:
Good one!
;D ;D ;D
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Hey Don
Got a call today from the pool boy today!
Collect call of course >:( (your training him well)
He threw out a crumb. (well actually two)
Antenna, Wheels
I asked, "What da hell has that got to do with 09 CVO baggers?"
He said, "SHHHHHHH that's all I can tell you. Don's gonna be pissed that I called you anyway"
I checked my phone. His number was blocked.
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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I checked my phone. His number was blocked.
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
smart pool boy
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Well, I for one, am grateful for CuttingHorse injecting his questions/opinion into this thread, because it's caused the best exchange of members' rants that I've read in some time.......much better than the Obama thread. I am very empathetic with ea. one of the member's stances concerning the problems and appreciate all the perspectives. Very good......I'm still personally looking for peeling chrome and worried about my cam tensioners in the 103 and listening for the inevidible noise from the Ina bearing in my 80. :o :nervous: har! :drink: spyder
Spyder,
I know this will come back to bite me in the arse, but....... I just passed the 4 year mark w/original battery. ;) ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Yea, that was kind of uncalled for, wasn't it Hoist!
:angel:
No! I was referring to Firedood's post!
Why because I posted it before you?? ;) :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Spyder,
I know this will come back to bite me in the arse, but....... I just passed the 4 year mark w/original battery. ;) ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Now Gary is bucking for someone to send him a new battery. :D
:oops:
Sorry Gary. :-X
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Now Gary is bucking for someone to send him a new battery. :D
:oops:
Sorry Gary. :-X
:ROFLOL: Chithead!!! :P :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Guess what it will be!
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
A Duracell!
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Taking collections!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Guess what it will be!
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
A Duracell!
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
Taking collections!
:2vrolijk_21:
I've got 2 old AA's sitting here on my desk. Should I send them to you, or mail them directly to Gary.
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I've got 2 old AA's sitting here on my desk. Should I send them to you, or mail them directly to Gary.
Travis
Don is the operations manager, ask him.
He was the mail clerk but when that hinge package went out with a Joplin post mark we promoted him.
:2vrolijk_21:
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Errr, ummmm. I've moved. :)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Errr, ummmm. I've moved. :)
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Anyone that wants to send dOOd anything let me know.
I have a tracking device in his bike.
And we all know, where dOOd's bike is, dOOd isn't far away!
dOOd, the "Chairman" taught me well!
You can run but you can't hide!
:o
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Anyone that wants to send dOOd anything let me know.
I have a tracking device in his bike.
And we all know, where dOOd's bike is, dOOd isn't far away!
dOOd, the "Chairman" taught me well!
You can run but you can't hide!
:o
It's a known fact you know how to track a package. ;) ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Anyone that wants to send dOOd anything let me know.
I have a tracking device in his bike.
And we all know, where dOOd's bike is, dOOd isn't far away!
dOOd, the "Chairman" taught me well!
You can run but you can't hide!
:o
My first thought was the tracking device was in the hinges...clever, but since we all know the tour-pak is never on the bike...foiled again.
Ah ha, the tracking device is in the dremel, which he carries with him everywhere now. He puts the buffer attachment on, and he can now buff the smallest of chrome doodads where ever he is...brilliant! :bananarock:
Elementary, my dear Chip, elementary.
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Hey Don
Got a call today from the pool boy today!
Collect call of course >:( (your training him well)
He threw out a crumb. (well actually two)
Antenna, Wheels
I asked, "What da hell has that got to do with 09 CVO baggers?"
He said, "SHHHHHHH that's all I can tell you. Don's gonna be pissed that I called you anyway"
I checked my phone. His number was blocked.
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
I gave him your number. So that's ok. Told him anything exciting be sure and let you know.
Antenna and wheels? Easy to imagine all sorts of interesting things with wheels. But antenna :confused5: ? Seems hard to get too excited about an antenna's difference.
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I gave him your number. So that's ok. Told him anything exciting be sure and let you know.
Antenna and wheels? Easy to imagine all sorts of interesting things with wheels. But antenna :confused5: ? Seems hard to get too excited about an antenna's difference.
Unless its chrome...or what about a power antenna, that neatly retracts into...um...somewhere.
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Unless its chrome...or what about a power antenna, that neatly retracts into...um...somewhere.
oh my... :o
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:jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack: :jack:
:zthread: :zthread: :zthread: :zthread:
:smilie_staub: :smilie_staub:
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One more week until Las Vegas right? I have a sales manager that is going to shot me some pics to my email as soon as he gets there and finds out whats on the table for 09.
If they have a RG with a nice paint scheme and it rides as smooth as mu buddies "Casper".... I'm trading two for one!
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I've got 2 old AA's sitting here on my desk. Should I send them to you, or mail them directly to Gary.
AA's ?
That's one small vibrator dude
you be a :cherry:a$$ for sure :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
B B
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Spyder,
I know this will come back to bite me in the arse, but....... I just passed the 4 year mark w/original battery. ;) ;D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
You've got one of the 'good ones' for sure, D00d. In 3 months, mine will turn 5 yrs. :o har! :drink: spyder
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should I even mention my '03 SED battery...
:oops:
You've got one of the 'good ones' for sure, D00d. In 3 months, mine will turn 5 yrs. :o har! :drink: spyder
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should I even mention my '03 SED battery...
:oops:
Sure. Just don't mention anything about the calendars with the 600 lb "babes" in bikinis. :nervous: ::) :puke: :huepfenlol2:
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should I even mention my '03 SED battery...
:oops:
yes.......another 'thumbs-up' for the battery tender! :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
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Always on the battery tender jr. when not used...just don't look at the condition of the bike under the battery...some rust dots appearing on the oil bag thatwas just discovered when I pulled the battery to put new heated gear harness...yuck!
yes.......another 'thumbs-up' for the battery tender! :2vrolijk_21: har! spyder
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Always on the battery tender jr. when not used...just don't look at the condition of the bike under the battery...some rust dots appearing on the oil bag thatwas just discovered when I pulled the battery to put new heated gear harness...yuck!
That's why I took my battery box to my local Line-x dealer. $10 later and I don't think I'll have to worry about grinding through the powder anymore.
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20763.0;attach=57315;image)
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Now you tell us!
That's why I took my battery box to my local Line-x dealer. $10 later and I don't think I'll have to worry about grinding through the powder anymore.
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20763.0;attach=57315;image)
:indian_chief:
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Now you tell us!
Better late than never. I haven't pulled the battery out since I did this, but with only 9,500 miles on the bike, it had already worn through the factory powder.
:indian_chief:
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That's why I took my battery box to my local Line-x dealer. $10 later and I don't think I'll have to worry about grinding through the powder anymore.
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20763.0;attach=57315;image)
:indian_chief:
Is dat weld splater i see dar
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Loooong time ago, we used to use instant rubber for some tools and equipments. I don't remember the name of the company, but I can find out. They had that stuff in container for dipping like screw drivers and tool handles and also in spray for inside electric boxes and such.
I'm going to look it up. It'll save a trip to Line-X or rhino dealer.
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I found this Instant Rubber (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/sprayon-condom-from-liquid-rubber-to-sweet-love-in-mere-seconds-217933.php). But it's not the right kind of rubber... :oops:
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OK. So back the the subject.
Is anyone going to the dealer meeting that can give us some photos on the 22nd
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Is dat weld splater i see dar
Very possible, but if it is, theres a whole lot less of it on this frame than on the original. It was fugly!
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This looks better and should do the job:
Instant marin rubber (http://www.protectmarine.net/)
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Don't mean to hijack the hijack but can anyone else confirm that the general meeting to unveil the new models will be Tuesday July 22 @ or around 9:00 am?
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Loooong time ago, we used to use instant rubber for some tools and equipments. I don't remember the name of the company, but I can find out. They had that stuff in container for dipping like screw drivers and tool handles and also in spray for inside electric boxes and such.
I'm going to look it up. It'll save a trip to Line-X or rhino dealer.
You can get a product, Plasti-Kote I believe, at Home Depot. It's about $5 a can and not nearly as tough as the spra-in liner material. It's a very high solvent material and would be really tough to get in neatly.
:indian_chief:
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Don't mean to hijack the hijack but can anyone else confirm that the general meeting to unveil the new models will be Tuesday July 22 @ or around 9:00 am?
The time sounds about right. It's usually a fun time here when the phots start showing up.
:indian_chief:
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Harley's new competition - again.
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Photos/09_Indian_Chief_Standard.jpg)
2009 Indian Chief
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http://infoblogs.hotspotsocial.com/infoblogs/Harley-Davidson/728826/harley-davidson-2009-rumors/
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Harley's new competition - again.
(http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Photos/09_Indian_Chief_Standard.jpg)
2009 Indian Chief
That is a sweet looking bike though.
Bob
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http://infoblogs.hotspotsocial.com/infoblogs/Harley-Davidson/728826/harley-davidson-2009-rumors/
Yea, gonna get me one of those 117 wet heads. Got any swamp land you want to sell?
:indian_chief:
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Test rode Indian back in 2001 - looked a lot better than they rode then. Bought a RK instead.
"After spending some time on various forums trying to find out what’s going to happen these are the top 7 rumors for the 2009 models.
1. 117ci liquid cooled in the baggers
2. 100 anniversary of the v-twin motor (Expect Anniversary Editions)
3. With the influx of NEW riders and soaring gas prices Harley Davidson is going to release a scooter.
4. A touring version of the V-Rod. (Options have been available for the past two years so this isn’t a stretch)
5. Decrease in production and an increase in MSRP
6. Night Rod will be discontinued in 2009
7. DISCONTINUED COLORS:
PACIFIC BLUE PEARL
OLIVE PEARL
SUNSET YELLOW PEARL
OLIVE PEARL DENIM
CRIMSON RED DENIM
CANDY RED SUNGLO
New Models will be available to view on the web July 22nd."
Wonder how many of these "rumors" actually started on this forum? A few are recognizable. ;D
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A scooter...Yeah! Bring back the Topper and make one a SE!
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A scooter...Yeah! Bring back the Topper and make one a SE!
Yeah, a SE Topper with TourPak and hard bags. Now, would it look best with two-into-one exhaust or bagger duals? Oh yeah, and a set of apes! :D
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A scooter...Yeah! Bring back the Topper and make one a SE!
Like to have one of those!
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Don't forget Bitubos, Traxxion and clear view.
surly in :cherry:.
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MoCo would be smart to market/make an HD scooter. Seriously. Lots of harley riders are a built in market for one & all the MoCo would need to do is research the scooter market, add 50-75% to the price for a comparable competitive model, and they would sell ok.
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Like to have one of those!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harley-Davidson-1964-Harley-Davidson-Topper-Scooter-Not-Vespa_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6707QQihZ008QQitemZ180262361647QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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Yea, gonna get me one of those 117 wet heads. Got any swamp land you want to sell?
:indian_chief:
Yea, in Death Valley,, wanna buy some
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Harley-Davidson-1964-Harley-Davidson-Topper-Scooter-Not-Vespa_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6707QQihZ008QQitemZ180262361647QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
You sorry dog!
I put it on my watch list.
PM me what you think it's worth.
SBB
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MoCo would be smart to market/make an HD scooter. Seriously. Lots of harley riders are a built in market for one & all the MoCo would need to do is research the scooter market, add 50-75% to the price for a comparable competitive model, and they would sell ok.
Not sure about the 50 to 75% but I would like one, , , or two!
If Harley priced them at Vespa prices then it would be a hit.
In the scooter market the Vespa's are not cheap but have an excellent reputation.
:2vrolijk_21:
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Not sure about the 50 to 75% but I would like one, , , or two!
If Harley priced them at Vespa prices then it would be a hit.
In the scooter market the Vespa's are not cheap but have an excellent reputation.
:2vrolijk_21:
Agreed - Vespas have a great rep. On the H/D scooter price point was making light - seems like HD checks the competition & tries to make sure they are the highest priced 2 wheelers in the market for each category.
I used to work for a company like that. If we could find a higher price, we would match it! They sold out - left them before their biz did.
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That's why I took my battery box to my local Line-x dealer. $10 later and I don't think I'll have to worry about grinding through the powder anymore.
(http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20763.0;attach=57315;image)
:indian_chief:
That is cool.love it when people use their imagination :2vrolijk_21:
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That is cool.love it when people use their imagination :2vrolijk_21:
And, like Chief and some others here, take the pics and share with us so we can follow their lead... :)....har! spyder
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MoCo would be smart to market/make an HD scooter. Seriously. Lots of harley riders are a built in market for one & all the MoCo would need to do is research the scooter market, add 50-75% to the price for a comparable competitive model, and they would sell ok.
I could not think of anything better to ruin the Harley-Davidson brand equity and myth. Oh, yeah, now it comes to my mind: H-D brand adult pampers ...
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I could not think of anything better to ruin the Harley-Davidson brand equity and myth. Oh, yeah, now it comes to my mind: H-D brand adult pampers ...
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Then maybe :nixweiss: you could consider the history of some of the stuff Harley has slapped their name on in years past, including HD scooters. Part of that "myth".
No company stays static in time for very long with a product offering and remains in business. Harley has morphed itself in & out of quite a few things through the years & reintroduced a few when they must have felt the time was right. I remember the grumbling that the MoCo was going to go "broke" since they were turning dealerships into t shirt shops a few years ago.
And yes I also still hope along with 2LR & others that they will re-introduce the Servi-car.......
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...how about the golf cart. :nixweiss: Doc
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[quote author=iski link=topic=22199.msg403713#msg403713 date=121569697
And yes I also still hope along with 2LR & others that they will re-introduce the Servi-car.......
...how about the golf cart. :nixweiss: Doc
Sure. Surprised they have not done one already. Have seen a few pained with Harley colors. Harley merchandises a lot of products, and those they do not have room for or determine do not fit the show room floor plans, they franchise out to other retailers.
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Sure. Surprised they have not done one already. Have seen a few pained with Harley colors. Harley merchandises a lot of products, and those they do not have room for or determine do not fit the show room floor plans, they franchise out to other retailers.
For those who may not know, there was a Harley golf cart. It had a Italian thumper in it and occasionally I see one for sale. Doc
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Apparently Harley Davidson manufactured golf carts up to 1982.
Here is a photo of a 1973 model. SE golf carts for 2009? :nixweiss:
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Check this one out on e-bay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/1980-Harley-Davidson-gasoline-golf-cart-rebuilt-used_W0QQitemZ370058497500QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting
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I have a friend that installed a JIMs in his Touring and installed his old 88 inch in a Golf-Kart.. Darn thing does some awesome burn outs..
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I was hanging out at the local dealership this morning, and I got a chance to visit with the pool boy. He claims no major changes for '09, no new engines, nothing liquid cooled. In fact they are allowed to sell 2009 Sportster now, if you want one, they had a couple sitting on the floor.
He didn't say much about the CVO's, only that he thought there would be SE Night Train and SE Street Glide this year.
He did verify the trike rumors. He said there would be very limited production (avg of 3 per dealer) and the cost would be in the 30's.
So that's it, the pool boy rumor of the day.
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I was hanging out at the local dealership this morning, and I got a chance to visit with the pool boy. He claims no major changes for '09, no new engines, nothing liquid cooled. In fact they are allowed to sell 2009 Sportster now, if you want one,
Is the 883 still around for 2009?
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I believe so. I didn't pay a lot of attention because I can't tell the difference between model years, but I believe they had a blue 1200l and a blue 883.
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Well that would wipe out one of the rumors. Three down and eight to go.
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He didn't say much about the CVO's, only that he thought there would be SE Night Train and SE Street Glide this year.
So that's it, the pool boy rumor of the day.
Pool boy or Fool boy?
No CVO Street Glide!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Is the 883 still around for 2009?
Yes!
http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/harleydavidson_m0050152_883_1d7_hn.pdf
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Word: "Significant."
Source says to the dealer network sell all your touring bikes becasue the '09's will have significant changes to them such that you will want to have reduced stocks of '08's now even at discount.
So what changes would be "significant"? I say it has to be more than paint and chrome doodads to be significant enough for them to tell a dealer to be sure and blow out their remaining inventory of '08's. Significant to me that means changes in the powerplant. Could mean anything from all touring bikes having an increased cubes to say 103" motors to something as big as water pumpers. I am begining to think there will be water pumpers or at least water cooled heads. What say you?
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Word: "Significant."
Source says to the dealer network sell all your touring bikes becasue the '09's will have significant changes to them such that you will want to have reduced stocks of '08's now even at discount.
So what changes would be "significant"? I say it has to be more than paint and chrome doodads to be significant enough for them to tell a dealer to be sure and blow out their remaining inventory of '08's. Significant to me that means changes in the powerplant. Could mean anything from all touring bikes having an increased cubes to say 103" motors to something as big as water pumpers. I am begining to think there will be water pumpers or at least water cooled heads. What say you?
New change might be just making them ugly as hell. Don't want any good looking ones around to compare against :nixweiss: ?
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I love my SERK and now it's the bike it should'a been. FTF & FTW!!! ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
So you did get a fairing? :oops: :huepfenlol2:
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Pool boy or Fool boy?
No CVO Street Glide!
:2vrolijk_21:
I never said the pool boy was very bright. Besides, I think he heard the Street Glide rumor from the gardner. He was 100% sure about the Night Train though, that came from the chamber maid. :2vrolijk_21:
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does it mean anything that the touring bikes are not yet listed on the carb website??????????????
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does it mean anything that the touring bikes are not yet listed on the carb website??????????????
Maybe nothing new means nothing needs to be listed? :nixweiss:
Do they have to list each year's stuff, even if it doesn't change?
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It is just amazing that we have not gotten any confirmation on the 09 CVO's
Usually by now this site has been able to confirm what we will see in a couple of weeks
I wonder if anybody can sneak a peak at the Tomahaw :drink:k plant??
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Ok, I have the scoop on the 09 Harley's including the CVO models.
Here goes, first the Touring models will be...
Hey!!!!! Who are you?
Arrrrrggggghhhhhh stop choking me....................arrrrrgggghhhhhhh
mmmmmph........
...
Mr. iski will be away from the forum for an indeterminate amount of time, due to circumstances beyond his control. Pay no attention to the above, move along, nothing happening here, move along.
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It is just amazing that we have not gotten any confirmation on the 09 CVO's
Usually by now this site has been able to confirm what we will see in a couple of weeks
I wonder if anybody can sneak a peak at the Tomahaw :drink:k plant??
I don't think we had true 'confirmation' last year did we? I remember stuff from the CARB board that turned out to be accurate, but that wasn't a real confirmation, just good sleuthing.
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Maybe nothing new means nothing needs to be listed? :nixweiss:
Do they have to list each year's stuff, even if it doesn't change?
:indian_chief:
Look at the prior years, everthing was lsted then. It looks like this is first year they are delaying posting all the CARB information. Oh,, there is an 883 so confmirmed, looks like it is still around. Also,over on pashnit.com in General, there is a MO CO Kanas City factory worker that made statment in one of his posts saying no water cooled's this year, and no surprises with a V-Rod Touring.
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Ok, I have the scoop on the 09 Harley's including the CVO models.
Here goes, first the Touring models will be...
Hey!!!!! Who are you?
Arrrrrggggghhhhhh stop choking me....................arrrrrgggghhhhhhh
mmmmmph........
...
Mr. iski will be away from the forum for an indeterminate amount of time, due to circumstances beyond his control. Pay no attention to the above, move along, nothing happening here, move along.
You sorry some beach!
What did you do to Iski?
Heck with the 09's, how can the Obama thread survive without Mike?
Give him back!
NOW!
GIVES US MIKE!
(am I a glutton for punishment or what?)
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You sorry some beach!
What did you do to Iski?
Heck with the 09's, how can the Obama thread survive without Mike?
Give him back!
NOW!
GIVES US MIKE!
(am I a glutton for punishment or what?)
Chip,
Thank you for your concern. Am back now & figure I will heal up ok in a few weeks. Doubtful from where I sit that I would know anything the MoCo would change for 09, and due to my agreement with "Brass Hand Guido" from Wisconsin, I cannot comment any further than that. Brass knuckles do not taste like chicken.
;)
Mike
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Look at the prior years, everthing was lsted then. It looks like this is first year they are delaying posting all the CARB information. Oh,, there is an 883 so confmirmed, looks like it is still around. Also,over on pashnit.com in General, there is a MO CO Kanas City factory worker that made statment in one of his posts saying no water cooled's this year, and no surprises with a V-Rod Touring.
That's the answer I was looking for. CARB has been the confirmation of upcoming models. I wouldn't be surprised if HD has been trying to get that hole closed for some time. Maybe they finally succeeded.
:indian_chief:
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Well, considering that the news today is that the MoCo just purchased Italian motorcycle co MV Agusta, we may see some entirely different scooters on the showroom floors........they've got some little econo bikes in their line-up that might fit right into the present demand also. :drink: har! spyder
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I don't think we had true 'confirmation' last year did we? I remember stuff from the CARB board that turned out to be accurate, but that wasn't a real confirmation, just good sleuthing.
:indian_chief:
No. And we never have.
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Well, considering that the news today is that the MoCo just purchased Italian motorcycle co MV Agusta, we may see some entirely different scooters on the showroom floors........they've got some little econo bikes in their line-up that might fit right into the present demand also. :drink: har! spyder
Econo models? Will be homework time later. The only Augustas I've ever seen were the F4s and the Brutales (sic?). The Brutales cost as much as a Road King and the F4s as much as some of the CVO bikes. :o
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That's the answer I was looking for. CARB has been the confirmation of upcoming models. I wouldn't be surprised if HD has been trying to get that hole closed for some time. Maybe they finally succeeded.
:indian_chief:
I spied around the CARB site and couldnt find anything pretaining to filling deadlines. Im sure there is but I cant find it. I think your right, the MO CO is using some sort of loop hole on filing the Touring line.. Based on prior, I think they have too. I supsect the filing will go the day of the Dealer Show..
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No. And we never have.
I guess there are multiple definitions to the word confirmation. However, ours are the same. ;)
:indian_chief:
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...I hope someone will share pictures from the show on the 22nd. It will a fun time to be on this site on July 22nd.
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...I hope someone will share pictures from the show on the 22nd. It will a fun time to be on this site on July 22nd.
From what I understand, the HD website will be updated on the 22nd as well. So, spy cell phone pictures will really be of no value :nixweiss:
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They will be valuble if we get them before the site is updated :drink: :drink:
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Chief, I like good sluething. It is almost as good as any definintion of comfirmation.
By the way last year the California EPA site was totally accurate.
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Econo models? Will be homework time later. The only Augustas I've ever seen were the F4s and the Brutales (sic?). The Brutales cost as much as a Road King and the F4s as much as some of the CVO bikes. :o
Yep.....that's part of the way the press release from the MoCo described the aquisition......MV Agusta's ( F4-r in-line 4 cyl. watercooled 1078cc / 190hp) and the lightweight motorcycles in the CAGIVA line up. They're touting targeting a younger crowd with the "exclusive, premium high performance sport motorcycles". 8) spyder
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Yep.....that's part of the way the press release from the MoCo described the aquisition......MV Agusta's ( F4-r in-line 4 cyl. watercooled 1078cc / 190hp) and the lightweight motorcycles in the CAGIVA line up. They're touting targeting a younger crowd with the "exclusive, premium high performance sport motorcycles". 8) spyder
There's a dealer up in Kansas City, KS for the Augustas. Have visited there when in the area. The Cagiva name was a new one to me until today. Just what I needed, more homework.
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From what I understand, the HD website will be updated on the 22nd as well. So, spy cell phone pictures will really be of no value :nixweiss:
REBEL
Maybe but the HD site does not show the TRUE coloRS
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REBEL
Maybe but the HD site does not show the TRUE coloRS
You are correct about the colors. By looking at the HD site I thought my 08 SEUC was goning to be red. When I got to see it up close and personal, I learned it is more orange.
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All the press release articles will be out real soon after the HD website starts showing the new '09 line up. If prior years is any indicatin, the press has already had hands on these new bikes and written their artilces which are just sitting by waiting for the deadline to pass on their non disclosure agreement. And I agree for some reason the pics that the MOCO comes out with never do their bikes justice as compared to good high quality professional stuff.
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All the press release articles will be out real soon after the HD website starts showing the new '09 line up. If prior years is any indicatin, the press has already had hands on these new bikes and written their artilces which are just sitting by waiting for the deadline to pass on their non disclosure agreement. And I agree for some reason the pics that the MOCO comes out with never do their bikes justice as compared to good high quality professional stuff.
This is correct and more then likely there will be pictures online from these magazines on/close to the same day the MoCo releases theirs.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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This is correct and more then likely there will be pictures online from these magazines on/close to the same day the MoCo releases theirs.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
...here is one from 00 :o Doc
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...here is one from 00 :o Doc
Just saved that one. Thanks Doc.
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Just saved that one. Thanks Doc.
The rest of the story...
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Even better. More fun. Saved again. Thanks.
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The rest of the rest of the story:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=20789.0
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The rest of the rest of the story:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=20789.0
Remember seeing that now. Thanks. Any chance it exists in a single PDF?
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Hmmmmm, I'll have to see if I can do that. Should be able to do with Adobe Pro on my laptop. Is the quality OK as-is, or would you want a better scan? I don't think I had the resolution set very high when I did it the first time.
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Hmmmmm, I'll have to see if I can do that. Should be able to do with Adobe Pro on my laptop. Is the quality OK as-is, or would you want a better scan? I don't think I had the resolution set very high when I did it the first time.
Seems legible now. Fades a bit in some color fade areas but not too bad. Thanks.
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OK, I'll see what I can do, Pink Beard Naitram.
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OK, I'll see what I can do, Pink Beard Naitram.
Thank you very much Cute Pigtails Naitram. That's a neat article. Well worth keeping a copy of.
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Ugh. 2.39MB. You have mail.
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Ugh. 2.39MB. You have mail.
Sweet :2vrolijk_21: .
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From what I understand, the HD website will be updated on the 22nd as well. So, spy cell phone pictures will really be of no value :nixweiss:
Comparing H-D '08 pictures from the website with any (!) mobile phone picture: The mobile phone pictures win!
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I think Harley spends all there money keeping secrets. I wonder if they let up a little if they could afford good quality parts built in the USA, rather then Taiwan.
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Comparing H-D '08 pictures from the website with any (!) mobile phone picture: The mobile phone pictures win!
I agree! No telling how much they pay professional photographers and the pictures don't come close to doing the paint justice. After looking at the website last year and then seeing cell phone pictures, it was obvious that the cell phone pictures were a better representation of the true colors of the bikes IMHO.
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The MoCo lined up 3 people with cell phones to take this year's photo shoot of the 09's after they read this thread.. Alltel, Cingular, & sprint versions will be available for downloading as soon as the lawsuit is settled between the MoCo & the International Brotherhood of Motorcycle Photographers & Swizzle Stick Receptacle Painters.
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The MoCo lined up 3 people with cell phones to take this year's photo shoot of the 09's after they read this thread.. Alltel, Cingular, & sprint versions will be available for downloading as soon as the lawsuit is settled between the MoCo & the International Brotherhood of Motorcycle Photographers & Swizzle Stick Receptacle Painters.
Good to know that this forum has such a powerful influence on the MoCo
I just feel really bad for the IBMP&SSRP members that are loosing work because of this decision :D
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Good to know that this forum has such a powerful influence on the MoCo
I just feel really bad for the IBMP&SSRP members that are loosing work because of this decision :D
Me too. They had planned to picket the Moco's HQ, but since the Loyal Order of Picket Sign Painters & Poster Stick Assembly Workers are also on strike, there is nobody to make the picket signs or staple a stick on the back of them. They considered carrying plain white poster paper & yelling "Strike!" but the LOoPSP&PSAW told them if they did that, they would be considered in non-compliance with the "Scabs Better Not Blab or They Will End Up in a Slab" clause of their contract.
;D
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Wooo!!...All the union implications. Makes me glad I'm self-employeed.
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The rest of the rest of the story:
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=20789.0
Thanks 103 I misplaced the "rest of the story" and now have them again. Doc
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I'm for one never buying another Harley. Kawasaki has much better photographers.
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I'm for one never buying another Harley. Kawasaki has much better photographers.
Finally a good reason to base a buying decision on :2vrolijk_21:
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I'm for one never buying another Harley. Kawasaki has much better photographers.
Yamaha has the best looken models though :bananarock:
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Yamaha has the best looken models though :bananarock:
We wouldn't know... :-\ ::)....har! spyder
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Dealers cleaning the house. Here is a coupon from Mill's Harley in NJ:
Attached is a $2000 coupon for any 2008 RK or EU in stock. They want to make sure everything is gone before 09 orders. (Significant changes in 09)
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Didn't mean to :jack: your :jack:
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Dealers cleaning the house. Here is a coupon from Mill's Harley in NJ:
Attached is a $2000 coupon for any 2008 RK or EU in stock. They want to make sure everything is gone before 09 orders. (Significant changes in 09)
EU? :nixweiss:
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EU? :nixweiss:
Saw that, figured, , , Electra Glide Ultra.
At least that would be my guess!
:nixweiss:
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defend the factory? not me ofton. but...thay do have alot to fix but thy do make a good product over all. if you think a jap brand is better , than why are you on this site ? the word taiwan is tossed around a lot ,can you tell me the % of parts that are made there? if you don't like it than why are you here ? go ahead men cut loose. axil
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defend the factory? not me ofton. but...thay do have alot to fix but thy do make a good product over all. if you think a jap brand is better , than why are you on this site ? the word taiwan is tossed around a lot ,can you tell me the % of parts that are made there? if you don't like it than why are you here ? go ahead men cut loose. axil
You lost me......
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reread the recent posts, it will come to you . axil
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defend the factory? not me ofton. but...thay do have alot to fix but thy do make a good product over all. if you think a jap brand is better , than why are you on this site ? the word taiwan is tossed around a lot ,can you tell me the % of parts that are made there? if you don't like it than why are you here ? go ahead men cut loose. axil
Hecho en mexico too....
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Hecho en mexico too....
Suspension = Japan
Voltage regulator = Australia
I'm sure there is a lot of other sourced parts too.
:indian_chief:
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reread the recent posts, it will come to you . axil
Axil,
If you'd click the Quote button at the top of someone's post, like I did on yours, it is easier for us to determine what post you are refering to in yours. If you don't do that, we don't have a clue.
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chief, i was referring to a hand full of hd bashing posts ,not any in inperticuler , thy said there thing and i said mine. I'm pro hd and sometimes i have to say it. stirring conversation. all in good fun i hope. axil
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chief, i was referring to a hand full of hd bashing posts ,not any in inperticuler , thy said there thing and i said mine. I'm pro hd and sometimes i have to say it. stirring conversation. all in good fun i hope. axil
As a pot stirrer, you're in great company. ;)
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chief, when its not important info. i look at this site like a bunch of guys and girls sitting around a fire poking fun at each other and having a laugh and a :drink:, humor and sarcasm are hard to place in type . sometimes you need thick skin on the net. axil
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Suspension = Japan
Voltage regulator = Australia
I'm sure there is a lot of other sourced parts too.
:indian_chief:
You forgot Cranks = Taiwan...
sure thats going to raise a feather. :nixweiss:
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I don't think Taiwan has the ability to make good steel for the .......maybe your on to something. a lot of the chrome and accessory dodad's are made in backward country's but i don't know about hard wear,i wouldn't think so but i won't bet a pay check on it either. have to check it out. axil
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I don't think Taiwan has the ability to make good steel for the .......maybe your on to something. a lot of the chrome and accessory dodad's are made in backward country's but i don't know about hard wear,i wouldn't think so but i won't bet a pay check on it either. have to check it out. axil
You got it,, Cranks just aint what they used to be.. If your going to do any major build,,, weld em up, or buy a good USA version.
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i wont install an unwelded twin cam flywheet assy. axil
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You forgot Cranks = Taiwan...
sure thats going to raise a feather. :nixweiss:
Yea, you're going to start something with that one. Others swear they're made in China, but of course no one has any proof of either. ;)
Seriously, it would be interesting to develop a "Country of Origin" for as much of the bike as possible. I don't think we'd be too successful with the internals, but a lot of the peripherals are marked.
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Yea, you're going to start something with that one. Others swear they're made in China, but of course no one has any proof of either. ;)
Seriously, it would be interesting to develop a "Country of Origin" for as much of the bike as possible. I don't think we'd be too successful with the internals, but a lot of the peripherals are marked.
:indian_chief:
That would be a fun thread.. Over time i think we can pin down the internals.
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That would be a fun thread.. Over time i think we can pin down the internals.
Yea, it would be like our own Snopes.com on part country of origin. ;)
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Suspension = Japan
Voltage regulator = Australia
I'm sure there is a lot of other sourced parts too.
:indian_chief:
...and the shark fins :o
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...and the shark fins :o
Well there ya go, our first documented Taiwanese part. :2vrolijk_21:
:indian_chief:
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Here's a link to some Harley parts made in China:
http://www.b2bchinasources.com/China-Manufacturers-15288/Harley-Davidson-Motorcycle-Parts.html (http://www.b2bchinasources.com/China-Manufacturers-15288/Harley-Davidson-Motorcycle-Parts.html)
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Another company - says they make the stators and a variety of electrical components:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/203072224/stators.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/203072224/stators.html)
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Another:
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/203076768/starter_motor.html (http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/203076768/starter_motor.html)
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FYI, A whole bunch of Lockheed_Martin aircraft electrical harness assemblies are made in Mexico. :nixweiss:
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Well there ya go, our first documented Taiwanese part. :2vrolijk_21:
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I saw that coming :bananarock:
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i still have a "made in taiwan" sticker on my front brake disc, cant take a pic as the bike is currently at the stealer this week.
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Hmmm, I must have been living in a cave not to notice this, but I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the entire Baseball, Applie Pie, Harley made in America garbage we've been spoon fed. :nixweiss: :( :nixweiss:
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Hmmm, I must have been living in a cave not to notice this, but I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the entire Baseball, Applie Pie, Harley made in America garbage we've been spoon fed. :nixweiss: :( :nixweiss:
Yea, we've been spoon fed that made in America garbage a bit too long.. more truth on the table. I actually heard about the Taiwan Crank from Sacramento Harley wrench.. I can say that now, cause he don't work there no more. I think Charlie will attest to that too. Charlie,, are you out there,, can you confirm Cranks made in Taiwan or not???
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Hmmm, I must have been living in a cave not to notice this, but I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the entire Baseball, Applie Pie, Harley made in America garbage we've been spoon fed. :nixweiss: :( :nixweiss:
More like "assembled in America with imported parts", and I wouldn't be surprised to see the "assembled" part change in the future. There are still plenty of untapped dirt cheap labor markets out in the 3rd world, ripe for exploitation.
I would love to see the same domestic content labeling that's required on autos also applied to Harley, so we could all see just how little "America" remains of this "American" icon. And don't look at labels on any of the boots, shirts, jackets, chrome parts, etc. unless you want a real wake-up call. Even the little American flags they sell aren't made in America.
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Hmmm, I must have been living in a cave not to notice this, but I'm having a hard time reconciling this with the entire Baseball, Applie Pie, Harley made in America garbage we've been spoon fed. :nixweiss: :( :nixweiss:
Kind of like the American automotive companies "BUY AMERICAN" "MADE IN THE USA" "BASEBALL APPLE PIE CHEVROLET" slogans of years past. If you go into a Japanese assembly or powertrain plant and all you see are Japanese made machine tools...go into a German assembly or powertrain plant and all you see are German made machine tools...go into an American assembly or powertrain plant and you are hard pressed to find an American made machine tool.
But the car companies like to portray someone who buys a forgeign made car as Un-American, Un-Patriotic slobs... If they practiced what they preached, maybe there would be a few more surviving American machine tool companies... GM actually has a requirement for machine tool suppliers to use a minimal percentage of "third world - low cost content" in their machine tools, such as from China, Hungary, Chech Republic or others.... They have a better term for it then that, but that is essentially what it is.... >:( :soapbox:
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Kind of like the American automotive companies "BUY AMERICAN" "MADE IN THE USA" "BASEBALL APPLE PIE CHEVROLET" slogans of years past. If you go into a Japanese assembly or powertrain plant and all you see are Japanese made machine tools...go into a German assembly or powertrain plant and all you see are German made machine tools...go into an American assembly or powertrain plant and you are hard pressed to find an American made machine tool.
But the car companies like to portray someone who buys a forgeign made car as Un-American, Un-Patriotic slobs... If they practiced what they preached, maybe there would be a few more surviving American machine tool companies... GM actually has a requirement for machine tool suppliers to use a minimal percentage of "third world - low cost content" in their machine tools, such as from China, Hungary, Chech Republic or others.... They have a better term for it then that, but that is essentially what it is.... >:( :soapbox:
It's truly sad to me that our great American companies don't feel that they can be competitive w/o shopping out the parts & labor. :( aaaargh. spyder
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It's truly sad to me that our great American companies don't feel that they can be competitive w/o shopping out the parts & labor. :( aaaargh. spyder
It's not just manufacturing jobs either, but tech jobs too. For a long time, we've been exporting blue-collar assembly jobs, but now, white-collar jobs are going away too. Personally, I have been chased out my last two software development jobs by outsourcing to India. I'm starting a new job in two weeks because everything I was working on now is being developed and maintained in Mumbai. It's a very short-sighted proposition.
What are we saying to the geeky kids that would major in computer science degrees at Georgia Tech or other good engineering schools? For years, you graduate with a CS degree and you build software for a couple of years before moving on. Now, these kids won't be able to get a job unless they're ready to work for what the Indians on the H1-B visas are working for, and that ain't much.
Where does it end? A lot of X-rays are read in India. We all know how well shipping customer support to India has worked out. It ain't pretty, and until the companies, like the world's largest soft drink maker, wakes up and sees the negative long term impact of their cost hunting and lowest cost proposals, the only jobs left in America will be for those wearing mesh hats and plastic name tags. :soapbox:
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Im surrprised Harley hasnt farmed their 800 number to India yet.
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If I could add my 2 cents about outsourcing from another perspective. I am in the middle of a Department of Labor audit. I have ALWAYS taken good care of all the people I am and have been responsible for, but they do not look at things objectively when they audit your wage and earnings. I won't go into details as it won't change whatever they decide. But if someone "says" you owe them more money after they are fired or quit, it is up to you to prove them wrong (guilty until proven innocent at your expense). So you either pay a pile of money to prove you are innocent, or pay a pile of money to the government as they have to make money for the time they spent doing the actual investigation.
But OUR government makes it such a pain in the a$$ to try and run a business.
Also, you have, what seems to me, the majority of people anymore who don't want to work and out of the one's that do, they feel you owe them something big just for doing the job they were hired to do. Or, they have no pride in workmanship. They just worry about making their 40 and going home, no matter what the quality of their work is. Isn't their fault if it comes out wrong, or its poorly made. Why would it be their fault? Nothing ever is. There is always some situation or circumstance or agency making new rules. Companies have to hire people just to keep up with the rules. I know, I just had to do this.
There then comes a time when big business say's "hey, we can get this kind of crappy workmanship "over there" except they will be more than HAPPY to have a job and they will be more then happy to do it for a lot less. In fact, since we don't have to jump thru all the governmental hoops, and hire people just to keep up with all of the red tape, feel good, bull Sh!t, we can make it over there, ship it back over here, get the same "craftmanship" that MOST (I didn't say ALL) of Americans are turning out now and make more money doing it with a lot less headaches and the people we hire to do it will actually appreciate it and it will be helping their communities..... (talk about your run on sentence).
I will now get off the real :soapbox:
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Where were we? Oh yes, 2009 lineup... I say RoadGlide for sure, you heard it hear first. ;)
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If I could add my 2 cents about outsourcing from another perspective. I am in the middle of a Department of Labor audit. I have ALWAYS taken good care of all the people I am and have been responsible for, but they do not look at things objectively when they audit your wage and earnings. I won't go into details as it won't change whatever they decide. But if someone "says" you owe them more money after they are fired or quit, it is up to you to prove them wrong (guilty until proven innocent at your expense). So you either pay a pile of money to prove you are innocent, or pay a pile of money to the government as they have to make money for the time they spent doing the actual investigation.
But OUR government makes it such a pain in the a$$ to try and run a business.
Also, you have, what seems to me, the majority of people anymore who don't want to work and out of the one's that do, they feel you owe them something big just for doing the job they were hired to do. Or, they have no pride in workmanship. They just worry about making their 40 and going home, no matter what the quality of their work is. Isn't their fault if it comes out wrong, or its poorly made. Why would it be their fault? Nothing ever is. There is always some situation or circumstance or agency making new rules. Companies have to hire people just to keep up with the rules. I know, I just had to do this.
There then comes a time when big business say's "hey, we can get this kind of crappy workmanship "over there" except they will be more than HAPPY to have a job and they will be more then happy to do it for a lot less. In fact, since we don't have to jump thru all the governmental hoops, and hire people just to keep up with all of the red tape, feel good, bull Sh!t, we can make it over there, ship it back over here, get the same "craftmanship" that MOST (I didn't say ALL) of Americans are turning out now and make more money doing it with a lot less headaches and the people we hire to do it will actually appreciate it and it will be helping their communities..... (talk about your run on sentence).
I will now get off the real :soapbox:
Glad to have someone express the situation so well. Everyone should have to experience government intrusion on there personal business to understand.
We used to be the hardest working people and most productive but that has gone down the tube, hope we can revive it some how.
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Where were we? Oh yes, 2009 lineup... I say RoadGlide for sure, you heard it hear first. ;)
Will it be made in the USA ??
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Will it be made in the USA ??
All Harley's with 110s must be domestic production. They won't run far enough to get home if they aren't.
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Here's a link to some Harley parts made in China:
http://www.b2bchinasources.com/China-Manufacturers-15288/Harley-Davidson-Motorcycle-Parts.html (http://www.b2bchinasources.com/China-Manufacturers-15288/Harley-Davidson-Motorcycle-Parts.html)
Iski, I could be wrong, but I think all of those parts are third party aftermarket, not "genuine harley-davidson accessories". I looked up the hand grips and none of them are featured in the parts catalog. They don't state that they are official HD parts, just harley davidson accessories. If you notice in some of the descriptions they just simply say, "fits most harley-davidsons". I'm sure they're made for Harleys, but I'm suspect if those are "genuine hd accessories".
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Iski, I could be wrong, but I think all of those parts are third party aftermarket, not "genuine harley-davidson accessories". I looked up the hand grips and none of them are featured in the parts catalog. They don't state that they are official HD parts, just harley davidson accessories. If you notice in some of the descriptions they just simply say, "fits most harley-davidsons". I'm sure they're made for Harleys, but I'm suspect if those are "genuine hd accessories".
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RD,
I did not research all of the companies products & they could be making aftermarket stuff for...maybe Kuryakyn. LOL
The companies names showed up under some searches for Harley parts manufacturers, no idea if they are "genuine" or not.
Have noticed that quite a few of the parts I have added to the bikes & others bikes - HD or other aftermarket - are made in China or "somewhere else".
In my business we deal quite a bit with imported products since there are NO domestic products available.
Mike
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Kind of like the American automotive companies "BUY AMERICAN" "MADE IN THE USA" "BASEBALL APPLE PIE CHEVROLET" slogans of years past. If you go into a Japanese assembly or powertrain plant and all you see are Japanese made machine tools...go into a German assembly or powertrain plant and all you see are German made machine tools...go into an American assembly or powertrain plant and you are hard pressed to find an American made machine tool.
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I have to disagree somewhat with that statement. I have a friend who's family owns The Minster Machine Company (http://www.minster.com/[/url). While on the HD York factory tour, I was impressed with the number of Minster's tools that were there.
AJ
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I have to disagree somewhat with that statement. I have a friend who's family owns The Minster Machine Company (http://www.minster.com/[/url). While on the HD York factory tour, I was impressed with the number of Minster's tools that were there.
AJ
There are few remaining... Minister is one... Ingersoll - where I spent about 10 years of my career is another, but most are gone. Especially in the automotive world...
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RD,
I did not research all of the companies products & they could be making aftermarket stuff for...maybe Kuryakyn. LOL
The companies names showed up under some searches for Harley parts manufacturers, no idea if they are "genuine" or not.
Have noticed that quite a few of the parts I have added to the bikes & others bikes - HD or other aftermarket - are made in China or "somewhere else".
In my business we deal quite a bit with imported products since there are NO domestic products available.
Mike
Unfortunately, there aren't many domestic products available for anything now days. :(
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Unfortunately, there aren't many domestic products available for anything now days. :(
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Agreed. When you look at textiles & remember how most all of it was made here years ago, it is quite telling.
As I recall, since many of the textile plants were in the south (like most of the oil producing/refining states - coincidentally?) the US Congress mostly yawned as many thousands of textile jobs were shipped overseas. When the steel industry (northern states, where there is not much underground oil - coincidentally?) folks in our Congress had 147 fits about the jobs leaving, but still did not prevent it. Now we have been outsourcing oil to the point that 70% of it is imported & who is trying to prevent states from sourcing it domestically, and why? C..o...n..g......
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There are few remaining... Minister is one... Ingersoll - where I spent about 10 years of my career is another, but most are gone. Especially in the automotive world...
I keep going back and reading what Robmay wrote. He has a lot of valid points. My family is in the manufacturing business and the philosophy is to build everything in house. There are many reasons for outsourcing but you have to look at the finished product and what the customer wants.
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I sell a lot of wood working equipment and most of the Taiwanese machines are actually very good. When Powermatic was made in the US the quality went to crap but since it has gone off shore it is much better.
It's very hard to find American made products that are competitive in price and quality made.
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I sell a lot of wood working equipment and most of the Taiwanese machines are actually very good. When Powermatic was made in the US the quality went to crap but since it has gone off shore it is much better.
It's very hard to find American made products that are competitive in price and quality made.
Motorcycles are a good example!
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They cain't make this overseas, thanks goodness...
http://www.blantonsbourbon.com
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american products? Louis Chevrolet founder of the american muscle car firm Chevrolet was a swiss guy
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They cain't make this overseas, thanks goodness...
http://www.blantonsbourbon.com
Very interesting, the first entry in country drop down list is US and the first in language is Chinese :vrolijk27:
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Them Chinese love the bourbon.... ;)
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Here's a look at a 2009 VRSCF.
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Where did you find that?
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Where did you find that?
It's so ugly the question should be "why" did you find that.
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It's so ugly the question should be "why" did you find that.
I know I'm just a newbie with uh, LESS than 25 THOUSAND posts, but *snicker* 'n' *guffaw* on THAT! (http://emoticons4u.com/happy/028.gif)
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I know I'm just a newbie with uh, LESS than 25 THOUSAND posts, but *snicker* 'n' *guffaw* on THAT! (http://emoticons4u.com/happy/028.gif)
Hey man, post count has nothing on ugly. That beastie got beat with the stick.
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Well, I can't argue with you on that but it's too early for me to offend others (although I'm sure that will come later..). So let me at least just say, yeah - it's not for me personally. :-X
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Hey man, post count has nothing on ugly. That beastie got beat with the stick.
Hey Don, maybe it's just the angle of the shot!
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No, that SB is ugly!
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Hey Don, maybe it's just the angle of the shot!
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No, that SB is ugly!
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Ugly aside. I'm curious about the exhaust routing from the front cylinder.
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It's so ugly the question should be "why" did you find that.
Im kind of wishing i never looked at it.. now I have this ugly vision burned in my mind. This thing must be a miscarge from the Itailian merge.
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Where did you find that?
It was left at California Harley's booth at the Calander Bike Show on last Sunday.Harley allegedly gave the bike to a magazine for promotions.
I know this is against all rules with the MoCo but it appears this is the 09 VRSCF.
There has been talk of the F model for 2 years now.A spy shot was taken of the crate when it was delivered to the Naples,Fl.test grounds,but never appeared.
I heard heads rolled,because some dumbass left a designation sticker w the model on it.
I called and spoke w Tony at CalHD and he assured me this is the 09 F model and the magazine has it in posession.It's been tagged since February.
There is a VRSCF hate thread,in the general area,over at 1130cc.com w more pics and info.
I've also heard there will be a 1400cc engine w a 6spd on a Harley for 09.I heard the first models will arrive next week at the dealers,again,against all rules of the MoCo.The person that told me of the 1400 is an employee and usually reliable for me.
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Im kind of wishing i never looked at it.. now I have this ugly vision burned in my mind. This thing must be a miscarge from the Itailian merge.
Gordy, that front fender, front air box and seat could never be that ugly intentionally. Could they :nixweiss: ?
Maybe it's just stuff hung on to cover what will actually be really cool things in actual release?
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this is the 09 F mode
Ok then, it really is just that ugly :huepfenlol2: .
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Sorry bout the second pic,I ruined that.It was not a UFO hazed over pic.
Another shot.
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Sorry bout the second pic,I ruined that.It was not a UFO hazed over pic.
Another shot.
Man, it's ugly from the front too. Wonder if duals on the Revolution engine moves the torque curve even higher?
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Gordy, that front fender, front air box and seat could never be that ugly intentionally. Could they :nixweiss: ?
Maybe it's just stuff hung on to cover what will actually be really cool things in actual release?
I think that has merit, or at least lets hope ???
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Maybe it's just stuff hung on to cover what will actually be really cool things in actual release?
Now that is sum funny chit. but seriously that is UGLY.
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I was thinking maybe a production fairing VRSC bike so that Andrew Hines could use a fairing on the Pro-Stock bike,but when i talked to him about it,he just said,I Wish!
This ugly thing is not what we expected,at all.
I was actually hopin for something along these lines for an F model.F standing for fairing,not forced air.
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Seems like a taste for things to come. The V Rod is morphing into a more conventional style, sort of. Some designs grow on you...and so do warts.
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This is what a V-Rod is supposed to look like.
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Or this.
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Seems like a taste for things to come. The V Rod is morphing into a more conventional style, sort of. Some designs grow on you...and so do warts.
This thing completely lost the flowing lines of the V-Rod. Looks like a kids Transformer toy if the kid were 17 feet tall.
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this is the 09 F model
If true, then the "F" designator must be for FUGLY ? :nixweiss:
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I think Harley is trying to get that Victory look!! The Vision makes me think about blowing chunks!! :P :P :P :P
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If true, then the "F" designator must be for FUGLY ? :nixweiss:
Hard to be sure Joe. The relatively new member's assertions notwithstanding the bike doesn't really look finished enough to be actual production. Even if it's supposed be boxy there are areas where it just doesn't look quite done yet.
This may be it. Who knows? Don't really care. It's ugly enough to make fun of though. And for that we all can thank the poster very much. But it's like all the other pre-release/rumor/conjecture. Until and unless it comes with appropriate bona fides of some kind it's just a toy to be played with.
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Hard to be sure Joe. The relatively new member's assertions notwithstanding the bike doesn't really look finished enough to be actual production. Even if it's supposed be boxy there are areas where it just doesn't look quite done yet.
This may be it. Who knows? Don't really care. It's ugly enough to make fun of though. And for that we all can thank the poster very much. But it's like all the other pre-release/rumor/conjecture. Until and unless it comes with appropriate bona fides of some kind it's just a toy to be played with.
Im wondering if somone took a 08 V-Rod and did a 'custom' hack job in their back yard and somone took these pictures and renamed it to a 09.... I really, really dont think Harley would do this.... But who knows, but i dont think so... This thing is a hack job folks....
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Im wondering if somone took a 08 V-Rod and did a 'custom' hack job in their back yard and somone took these pictures and renamed it to a 09.... I really, really dont think Harley would do this....
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Man, it's ugly from the front too. Wonder if duals on the Revolution engine moves the torque curve even higher?
You are being very harsh! It probably has a great personality. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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I foresee alot of shoe marks on that front header (now left side) after using the "jiffy stand" a few hundred times. Maybe a fried left calf too.
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So far we've seen idea's from a few sources.I'm not sure what market the MoCo is after here,but it sure has some V-Max appeal in it.BTW,the V-Max will be in the top 10 ugliest bikes for 09.
Back in 04 a custom builder,Wyatt Fuller,who has since passed away,built a V-Rod that has a great resemblance of the F model that alegedly was at the Calender Show for pics.The MoCo is known for using ideas from other sources,just as other sources do.
There is also some Nova in the F if you look at the 2 bikes side by side.
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damn,I'm good at ruining these pics.
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Another
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Another
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Harley Nova,4 Cylinder
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Enough of those Vrods.
Lets get back to that 09 SERG3
What have we got so far?
1) Great paint schemes! Need I mention that one of the designs is silver(gray)-n-black!
2) Cool wheels.
3) Lowprofile tires.
4) New style saddlebags.
5) Different style antenna.
6) Redesigned rear look on the bike.
7) No tour pak std with color matching one optional.
All the above isn't much to go on but at least it's a start!
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If true, then the "F" designator must be for FUGLY ? :nixweiss:
LOL my line from a very similar thread over on the V-rod forums....
Without repeating all that was discussed over there, this "model" was apparently at some sort of rooftop show in LA. Further details are as sketchy as this poor V-rod is ugly.
Sure would like to think that F is just the next logical progression in the model alphabet soup, not a Fairing designation. If there is to be a Revo bagger, it oughta be on a proper bagger frame. While some very well-intentioned riders have in fact modded their V-rods with batwings, footboards, racks and bags, these bikes are really not well-suited to long distance touring, either 1- or 2-up. Don't get me wrong, I can ride my DX all day and all night - the bike's just not a bagger. In my view a Heritage Softail isn't either, although it's closer at least.
Fingers crossed for a proper Revo bagger, and to an incarnation of the V-rod in "F" form that is something other than the prior pictures.
Only a few days til we know! And then let the guessing begin for '10 !! :orange:
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Enough of those Vrods.
Lets get back to that 09 SERG3
What have we got so far?
1) Great paint schemes! Need I mention that one of the designs is silver(gray)-n-black!
2) Cool wheels.
3) Lowprofile tires.
4) New style saddlebags.
5) Different style antenna.
6) Redesigned rear look on the bike.
7) No tour pak std with color matching one optional.
All the above isn't much to go on but at least it's a start!
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Hmmm, interesting. ;) ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Hmmm, interesting. ;) ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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He didn't even mention the coolest part. Front seat controlled ejection capable pillion :2vrolijk_21: .
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He didn't even mention the coolest part. Front seat controlled ejection capable pillion :2vrolijk_21: .
Pool boy was probably winded when he got to that part and Chip didn't hear/understand him. :nixweiss: ;D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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He didn't even mention the coolest part. Front seat controlled ejection capable pillion :2vrolijk_21: .
Damnit Don
The options we discuss on the phone are not to be posted!
If I'm going to have any credibility with the pool boy you shouldn't spill your guts about everything I tell you!
Work with me!
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Damnit Don
The options we discuss on the phone are not to be posted!
If I'm going to have any credibility with the pool boy you shouldn't spill your guts about everything I tell you!
Work with me!
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I thought he told you and you told me about the rear seat deployable sail/solar panel? Did I get 'em mixed up?
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I thought he told you and you told me about the rear seat deployable sail/solar panel? Did I get 'em mixed up?
YES, you have done it again!
The front seat controlled ejection capable pillion is voice controlled.
It is highly tuned to engage operation upon two voice commands.
#1 voice command to set off operation of ejection pillion "FTF".
#2 voice command to set off operation of ejection pillion "FTW"
This was suppose to be a surprise! So much for that! :nixweiss:
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Not to get off topic, or get back on the topic, but got another dealer source today, Killer Creek HD in GA who told me that the SERG is back this year.
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YES, you have done it again!
The front seat controlled ejection capable pillion is voice controlled.
It is highly tuned to engage operation upon two voice commands.
#1 voice command to set off operation of ejection pillion "FTF".
#2 voice command to set off operation of ejection pillion "FTW"
This was suppose to be a surprise! So much for that! :nixweiss:
I'm so sorry :bigcry:, I am such a maroon.
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I'm so sorry :bigcry:, I am such a maroon.
That's ok, keeping with the silver and black theme some think I'm a SB.
That's ok though, unless it's BB talking I really don't listen!
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That's ok though, unless it's BB talking I really don't listen!
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oooh, I just go so dis'd. Nice job :huepfenlol2: :bananarock: !
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A reliable source at my local stealer told me that all 2009 touring bikes WILL have B motors in them !!!!
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A reliable source at my local stealer told me that all 2009 touring bikes WILL have B motors in them !!!!
That's an idea I'd never considered before. Has there been a cry about vibration or other differences that are part of the B platform? Unless there's been some problem with the rubber mount design why give up the parasitic performance loss of the B motor without cause?
The mentions of styling changes are interesting. Especially since nothing much has changed on the shape of a Harley in a long long time. The idea of a new frame gives hope to some redesign to finally address suspension and handling issues that have been a nuisance or even a danger for an equally long time. For the life of me I can't think of any reason to move the B motor in to a rubber mount frame though (sure some new frame isn't going to be all hard mount?).
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He said the frames were being re-designed to accomodate the B motors. I will believe it when I see it !!!
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He said the frames were being re-designed to accomodate the B motors. I will believe it when I see it !!!
Boy oh boy CO; that's one that just makes me go "hmmmmm?". A frame redesign has probably been warranted for a long time. We've chatted about the reasons why here over and over and over again over time. The aftermarket has a host of devices that might not be needed if they finally got suspension locked down.
But a "B" motor in a rubber mount? Form needs to follow some function or logic. Is Harley trying to narrow it down to one engine model line to eliminate inventory/part numbers? Surely not really going to lose the rubber mounts. Like you man; I'll believe this one only when I see it.
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Seems like a backwards move for sure. :-\
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Seems like a backwards move for sure. :-\
Yeah, me too. Some things you can understand some rationale for even if it's not the most direct reasoning to justify it. Even most good rumors have some basis in a justifiable logic as they usually come from someone's wishful thinking. Installing parasitic loss to counterbalancers when it's otherwise not necessary just escapes me though. Can only scratch the head and wonder...
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4 more d@mn days and all this speculation will be over with. Then we can start the bitching about what they actually did. :huepfenjump3: :drink: :2vrolijk_21:
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4 more d@mn days and all this speculation will be over with. Then we can start the bitching about what they actually did. :huepfenjump3: :drink: :2vrolijk_21:
Looking forward to "the day." That's for sure. It's always interesting to see both whey they do and what they've not done.
Folks like us are far enough behind the cycle that there's little new/exciting in the add-on/accessory front for us to look forward to. At least not from Harley itself. So just watching the new bikes is the specator sport.
I've been interested this cycle to see that in some way Harley has been a bit looser. Dealers have talked out of school more than I remember it ever being the case before. It would of course be a riot if it all turned out to be bupkus as so much of the rumor has before. But there's at least a feel of authenticity to some of it this time that has rarely been the case before.
If there's finally a lot of new engineering that will be interesting to pour over. Loving or hating the latest and greatest paint schemes is a whole different kind of sport. But it's fun too. And now we wait...
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And now we wait...
The powers to be are leaving Sunday and Monday to head to Las Vegas!
Don't we have members that live in Vegas that could snap pictures of Harley unloading bikes?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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The powers to be are leaving Sunday and Monday to head to Las Vegas!
Don't we have members that live in Vegas that could snap pictures of Harley unloading bikes?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
that would be great
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The powers to be are leaving Sunday and Monday to head to Las Vegas!
Don't we have members that live in Vegas that could snap pictures of Harley unloading bikes?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Suggest they wear kevlar vest in case of small arms fire if they did. :huepfenlol2:
Will offer this: frame change for FL models in 09. Rear of bike - focal point. Bigger tire is one guess. Would not be surprised to see new suspension (God knows they need one even if the MoCo don't) & other than that will just wait to see what there is to see, unless somebody has pics to post. Supposed to be a good improvement. No FLH2o ugly radiator unless I am very badly mistaken. But there could be a liquid cooled head.....
That V-Rod on first impression is as ugly as the first V-Rod when I first saw it, but it soon kinda grows on ya like a fungus in a moldy tour pack........
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Suggest they wear kevlar vest in case of small arms fire if they did. :huepfenlol2:
but it soon kinda grows on ya like a fungus in a moldy tour pack........
troublemaker!
Go back to the Oslama thread!
:2vrolijk_21:
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troublemaker!
Go back to the Oslama thread!
:2vrolijk_21:
I don't post there any more, since politics is for flapperjawed dooberboobers. Somebody else must be posting there & using my screen name. :nixweiss:
If I was 20-25 years younger & dumber, I might consider a V-Rod, but in my advanced aging stage toward my declining years with the even faster slide to instant senility, I know that crouching like a jungle monkey with the squirts to ride a bike that would cripple me if I took it out for more than 300 miles is not such a great idea.
Now of course that is not meant to offend or besmirch any of the fine V-Rod owners on this forum, it's just the way I see it as it would apply to me, were I a jungle monkey riding a bike...... ;D
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Whenst I park my ample hind quarters upon anything like the aforementioned sickle it is like as my dear spousal unit Schmoopy said..."You look like monkey tryin to eff a football"...
It may have hurt my feeling if I had my feeling with me fateful day...
I still have run the little blue bike and l do look like a randy simeon...I think I will sell it.
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A monkey effing a football is great entertainment around these parts. Cannot tell who is having the better time of it, the monkey or the football but suppose the monkey enjoys it more....
Nice looking bike, Mike. Wish I had a couple of them from the 70's that are long gone but not forgotten. Bet they wouldn't go as fast as I remembered them going, so maybe they are better left to memory.
I considered a V Rod a while back for fun purposes, but at my semi freakish height according to MoCo midgital standards, riding it felt like I was mimicking a simian with dysentery.....
And BTW the HD 09's may also offer a change in the rear for the creature comforts of the 2 up rider...........but whatthehelldoIknow?
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please clarify Schmoopy's comment.... Was said effin simeon pitching or catching? The visual is completely different based on orientation. Or to make it even clearer, were you the football or the ape?
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I think it was me being said ape and the football receiving the love...That is how I fantasize about it anyway...
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Whenst I park my ample hind quarters upon anything like the aforementioned sickle it is like as my dear spousal unit Schmoopy said..."You look like monkey tryin to eff a football"...
It may have hurt my feeling if I had my feeling with me fateful day...
I still have run the little blue bike and l do look like a randy simeon...I think I will sell it.
Sounds similar to a comment a friend made about me several years ago. I was on a solo bike trip and ran across a close friend and his wife near Cincinnati. They were in their motor home and carry a Honda Rebel on the back to use for local transportation. We decide to ride over to the local HD dealer. Since there was two of them and I was solo I offered them my 02 Ultra and I rode the Rebel. Well, when we pulled into the dealer everyone in the parking lot just stopped and looked at me! When we parked I asked my friend if I looked that out of place on the Honda. He said "No, but if you had a clown outfit on we could put you in a Shriners parade"! Needless to say, they rode the Honda back to the camp ground!
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Yeah, me too. Some things you can understand some rationale for even if it's not the most direct reasoning to justify it. Even most good rumors have some basis in a justifiable logic as they usually come from someone's wishful thinking. Installing parasitic loss to counterbalancers when it's otherwise not necessary just escapes me though. Can only scratch the head and wonder...
It may make sense in combination with the 2-part frame. The rubber mounts have been identified as the cause of unstability in many cases, hence the stabilizers added by us owners (like true track etc.) and by the Moco (most recently at the front of the first cylinder). So a new frame with a balanced engine rigidly mounted in (or with) the frame could vastly improve road stability at higher speeds. At least wishful thinking on my part ;-)
Ride safely,
Louis
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4 more d@mn days and all this speculation will be over with. Then we can start the bitching about what they actually did. :huepfenjump3: :drink: :2vrolijk_21:
That is a good one... We are really good monday morning qbacks...
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The powers to be are leaving Sunday and Monday to head to Las Vegas!
Don't we have members that live in Vegas that could snap pictures of Harley unloading bikes?
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
Where in Vegas????MandalyBay??
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Can anyone confirm where the dealer meeting in Vegas is being held???
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Tuesday
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SOME INFO ON THE 09'S I JUST RECEIVED
118 ENGINE
180 BACK TIRE
LONGER SIDE PANELS
LEFT PIPE CROSSES UNDER THE BIKE INSTEAD OF BY YOUR LEG
BACK CHROME RAIL OVER TOP OF THE BACK FENDER GONE
MORE TO COME
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Can anyone confirm where the dealer meeting in Vegas is being held???
Las Vegas ;D
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Ernie zap
I know its tuesday in /Vegas but WHERE
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SOME INFO ON THE 09'S I JUST RECEIVED
118 ENGINE
180 BACK TIRE
LONGER SIDE PANELS
LEFT PIPE CROSSES UNDER THE BIKE INSTEAD OF BY YOUR LEG
BACK CHROME RAIL OVER TOP OF THE BACK FENDER GONE
MORE TO COME
The under the bike exhaust and other details from this rumor source ( http://www.roadcarvin.com/2009-motorcycle-models/2009-harley-davidson ) have already been made fun of here: http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=24448.msg406372#msg406372 .
Can't we at least get new rumors to make fun of :huepfenlol2: ?
I don't want to be a hypocrite. So I'll start.
New for 2009 Touring and Softails:
New Harley SoftGlo (tm) electric paint. Throw the switch and your entire bike glows in the dark.
Counter-rotating front and rear tires for narrow turn stability.
Self ejecting dipsticks for easier fluid level checking.
To eliminate rear cylinder heat issues all bikes will only be fitted with two front cylinders.
Special 6500 mile duration rear tire compound.
Windshield wipers.
Butt Massager (tm) in-seat comfort management system.
Nanite technology on board oil leak collection system.
New for 2009 Dyna:
Official designation as Harley short service lift test platform.
New for 2009 Sportster:
New good MPG advertising because we gotta start selling something again.
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Ernie zap
I know its tuesday in /Vegas but WHERE
It's early out here on the west coast :D
Sorry, not sure where it will be
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if you read further, the post also comments on the rear fender being different as well. It's commenting that it resembles kawasaki or honda.
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Don't some Kawasakis and Hondas resemble Harleys? :nixweiss: :P
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I will agree, just relaying the text regarding the rear fender...
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Yes they do.
But they never get it right - some riders are very proud of how much their ride looks like a Harley, though.
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Yes they do.
But they never get it right - some riders are very proud of how much their ride looks like a Harley, though.
I know . . . they try really hard but it just never comes off very good. :nervous:
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15 "guests" viewing this thread at the moment. :shocked2:
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15 "guests" viewing this thread at the moment. :shocked2:
Well, after all, we're CVOHarley! We must know what HD is doing next week. But we ain't telling til then! ::) ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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15 "guests" viewing this thread at the moment. :shocked2:
Don't look at me, I didn't invite them here.
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Shows up in Search Engines for "2009 Harleys".
The world is watching........
Soooooo........
First pic of the 2009 Harley Va-zoom......
(http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000048867.JPG?0.9367763772984631)
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Looks like a Ness special
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Shows up in Search Engines for "2009 Harleys".
The world is watching........
Soooooo........
First pic of the 2009 Harley Va-zoom......
(http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000048867.JPG?0.9367763772984631)
Mike, I heard it comes with a nice pair of blue Hyperchargers! :o ::) ;D
Hoist! 8)
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Do I see sign's of Vision here??????????????????????? GOD Help Us!!!!!
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Mike, I heard it comes with a nice pair of blue Hyperchargers! :o ::) ;D
Hoist! 8)
Heard that also Howie. And they have that super cool infinity light that looks like it goes through the middle of the bike!
;D ;D
Each 2009 buyer also gets a fuzzy pink Harley Hog stuffed toy with a HDorange/black bungy to strap to the back of their bike also, but that is not supposed to be public info yet.
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As long as you say anything about free lifetime oil diaper subscriptions we'll be good.
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:jack:...Turbo jacked is a better description... ;D
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php here ya gooo
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php here ya gooo
I STILL WANT PICTURES!
WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO LOOK LIKE?
WHAT'S REALLY BEEN CHANGED FOR THE BETTER?
SMURGS ARE REALLY DEMANDING BITCHES TODAY AREN'T THEY?
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/harleydavidson_m0050147_1802_0d8_hn.pdf
a screaming eagle fat bob????
there all 110" too... oh chit round 3.... i betz this is Chiefs fix
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/harleydavidson_m0050147_1802_0d8_hn.pdf
a screaming eagle fat bob????
there all 110" too... oh chit round 3.... i betz this is Chiefs fix
The best part about a third model year of the 110 is knowing that there is still an investment in the platform and there's at least another year of potential improvements. Or, same chit, different year. :nixweiss:
:indian_chief:
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I wonder what model is FXDF - California?
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Can't wait to see the colors.
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php here ya gooo
Yeah, saw that too. No new engines, it seems.
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So the police bikes are 103's and what the heck is a Road King Heritage?
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Our P.D. bikes are 110's.
JW
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So the police bikes are 103's and what the heck is a Road King Heritage?
If you look at the designation it is an ultra heritage. FLHTCUH
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I wonder what model is FXDF - California?
The Fat Bob
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If you look at the designation it is an ultra heritage. FLHTCUH
Is that, like, a Ultra with leather bags and tourpac? :nixweiss: spyder
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Is that, like, a Ultra with leather bags and tourpac? :nixweiss: spyder
I thought that's what the 110s were (leaky). :nixweiss:
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what no SE springer, a SE dyna and a SE fat bob thats about 1 and the same not?
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The Springer's done had its 2-year run, so it's not surprising that it would go away for '09, but it is odd (if the rumors are true) that they would have two Dyna CVOs.
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The Springer's done had its 2-year run, so it's not surprising that it would go away for '09, but it is odd (if the rumors are true) that they would have two Dyna CVOs.
A springer with a big motor doesn't make too much sense to me these days...........now, in my younger (read: more foolish) days.....they combination was 'the deal'. Just made it all the more exciting. :D har! spyder
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Did I read that the Road King Custom is back?
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So the police bikes are 103's and what the heck is a Road King Heritage?
according to the CARB site, all California police models are 110" Correct if I'm wrong somebody, but i was told that police bikes are cam ed differently, and have SE intake and a performance curve burned into the ignition??
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yes your correct they are also blue printed.
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yes your correct they are also blue printed.
which means exactly what - - - - -in your opinion of course ?
B B
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which means exactly what - - - - -in your opinion of course ?
B B
They will overheat and break faster !!! :nervous:
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I don't know, thats what I was told at motor school. Sounds good to me.
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php here ya gooo
WELL NOW WE KNOW WHAT THEY WILL BE
GOOD WORK
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http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/onroad/cert/hmc/2009/2009.php here ya gooo
According to this the FL Touring Police and the Electraglide Police are 1688 cc and that comes out to 103", not 110".
And I still don't know what a Road King Heritage is.
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So I was at the Harley shop today at Rogers, Ar. (Had to buy my wife a Diamond long story) and they confirmed the Ultra, Road Glide, FatBob and a Night Train? Which would make sense as it is a soft tail. But I guess time will tell....
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So I was at the Harley shop today at Rogers, Ar. (Had to buy my wife a Diamond long story) and they confirmed the Ultra, Road Glide, FatBob and a Night Train? Which would make sense as it is a soft tail. But I guess time will tell....
Hmmmmmmm. How do you do a CVO Night Train (no chrome!)? :nixweiss: That could be an interesting one if it ends up being true.
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Hmmmmmmm. How do you do a CVO Night Train (no chrome!)? :nixweiss: That could be an interesting one if it ends up being true.
Talking about something that would send me to the funny farm. :shocked2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Hmmmmmmm. How do you do a CVO Night Train (no chrome!)? :nixweiss: That could be an interesting one if it ends up being true.
Well thats what I was thinking but he said have you heard all blacked out..... I still think he was full of it though.
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I know they are a big money maker but I am sure sick of the Ultra's
Wish we could get a Street Glide or a SEEG or a harbag RK.
Oh well 2010' will be discussed starting next Tues
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All black makes sense with their recent "dark custom" theme.
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I know they are a big money maker but I am sure sick of the Ultra's
Wish we could get a Street Glide or a SEEG or a harbag RK.
Oh well 2010' will be discussed starting next Tues
You're riding the finest one they ever produced.......you want more? :uhoh: har! spyder
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You're riding the finest one they ever produced.......you want more? :uhoh: har! spyder
Spydglide. It is a great bike but sure would like the 6 speed, 6 gallon tank and ABS
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According to this the FL Touring Police and the Electraglide Police are 1688 cc and that comes out to 103", not 110".
And I still don't know what a Road King Heritage is.
Your right... think i had toooo many beers.. thanks for correcting..
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Talking about something that would send me to the funny farm. :shocked2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
It must be a Zen thing... :nixweiss:
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A newbie here. I don't own a CVO, don't have the cash. I've been reading this thread from way back, and have come to the conclusion most are unhappy with their rides. I've heard alot of praise about the S&S engine, and have wondered why someone wouldn't just buy a regular UC or whatever, put the S&S in it and sell the HD motor. After the warranty period of couse?
I also read about how much better, faster and cheaper Brand X is, and find myself wondering what this has to do with anything at all! They also have much lower resale value when used. In "05", in the Kansas City area, dealers were still trying to sell their "03" vtx's. If this type of bike appeals to you, then you're on the wrong forum anyway.
I've been riding HD's since 1978, and I have never lingered under the impression that they were the fastest thing going, and that is not why the longtime faithful bought them. I started with a "61" XLCH and it was fast as a 900 Kaw belonging to a friend. I found out later that it was a built motor! I then bought a "63" FL, which I still ride daily to work, and a "01" RK for touring. I guess we all buy what we buy for a different reason, but I just like to ride, be it fast or not. My RK has 78,500 miles on it as of today, and who knows how many on the FL?
I'd say, don't try to be the first one on the block with the new model, and let someone else have the headaches! Just my opinion. Flush it down the drain, if it makes you happy.
HD rider for as long as the good Lord allows. :soapbox:
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A newbie here
Let me be the first one to welcome you to this site.
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I hear there is a new frame coming with a redirected exaust to reduce heat felt by the rider.
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I hear there is a new frame coming with a redirected exaust to reduce heat felt by the rider.
Maybe they'll fill the frame with engine oil and make it more of a oil-cooled engine rather than a air-cooled one. That's what Porsche did with their oil/air cooled engines, isn't it? :nixweiss: spyder
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Welcome twowheeler63,
There have been many discussions on this site about the "Love/Hate" relationship with our bikes and the MOCO.
I guess the positive aspects of the owners is loyalty and optimism. We love the look,feel and sound of the Harley.
The other side of the coin is many members here spend big bucks for a "Custom" built bike and they wish it would run right from the MOCO and not have problems. If you add up the cost of all the chrome and accessories the CVO is the economical way to go vs. buying a stock Harley and adding the parts.
The MOCO has a great PR system that makes most of us love the new models such as 6 speed and a six gallon tank, ABS etc. And we also may fall for the PR when it comes to fixing problems. They are very good at hiding the total percentage of bikes with problems vs. total bikes sold so we may find in a website like this that the problems you read a lot about are from a certain few who have issues.
Think about it, how many folks with NO problems would find a website and post "I rode my bike today and nothing went wrong!"
I think most of us here would not trade our Harleys but you can find things to admire about other bike brands. Many cost 1/3 the price to begin with, you just turn the key on them and go without changing the intake or pipes etc. and many have way more performance for that lower price too.
I guess is a perfect world we would love a true custom Harley that didn't look like every other one in the parking lot, we ordered it the way we wanted it, turned the key and didn't have to worry about anything except routine maintenance.
The EPA regulations hurt the newer bikes and they make them run way hotter than the older bikes. This is one area the MOCO is hampered by government regulations, trying to get an old design motor to meet new standards.
I do agree with you about trying to get the newest thing on the block. I try not to buy any first year bike, car,truck etc. AS much as i would love to see a large water cooled HD I will wait a couple years for the MOCO to work out the bugs before i buy one.
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Thanks for the welcome.
I hear what you are saying about riders wanting their own custom. But, until you can sit down and pick from a list of options, wont everyones be mostly alike? And, I have a real problem with add ons coming from overseas. I am really bitter about what we as a nation have let our country come to. I make less a year than most spend on a new crew cab 4x4 truck these days, but I do my best to buy only american products. I haven't added much to the RK from the dealers geegaws, because most of it comes from the Far East. Nothing confuses me more than seeing a WWII veteran in a Toyota.
Last year, at the rally in Sturgis, Kentucky, I met a rider with a brand new SEUC. Or I think it was. It was strange to me, as it had a leather tourpack. Maybe it was just a SE electraglide. Anyway, I looked very nice to me, but he was a little dissapointed for the money, although, he didn't elaborate on the problem. I must admit, it was very sharp looking.
As far as a water cooled motor goes, does anyone remember the 100ci knuckle motor from the 40's? It was just for racing I think.
I don't care for the v-rod, but I feel it is needed to pull in the younger thinking group. If they could just get the price where it needs to be, it would help.
Buells don't do a thing for me either. I'm too lazy to lean over all day!
I'm just your typical 50 year old guy that resists change.
I don't like the term "old school" either. Mainly, because think that is how it should be, and todays "choppers" should be called "new wave".
Anyway, enough rambling. I'll just keep reading with interest.
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twowheeler63 welcome aboard :2vrolijk_21:
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I've been reading this thread from way back, and have come to the conclusion most are unhappy with their rides.
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Hi 63,
I am sorry you have the impression that most here are unhappy with their bikes. I can assure you, it is quite to the contrary. It is actually because most of us could not think of riding anything else than a Harley, discussions tend to be at a level of details and also emotion, not to be found elsewhere so easily. That may have given you the impression, we all hate our bikes. If you stick around a while, you may find reasons to change your judgement ;-).
And than there is the group with the true love/hate relation .... ;-)))
Ride safely,
Louis
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Love mine, all of them, and the ones I had before the ones I have now!
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I am a new member but have been reading this site for a long time. I have a couple riding buddies that have SE Ultra's. '06 SE with 26000 miles just had the lifters replaced. He switched out the pipes and installed the race tuner and no other problems, the other is '07 SE and he had the "fix" at 1500 miles. Leaky heads, piston hitting the head, ect. He has not had any other problems. Mine is '08 with 6200 miles and no problems except the hand grips. Needless to say, all would buy another when the time is right. Not sure what that time is, but I also have '02 Road King that I will always have. I will put the 95 kit in later this winter. All in all, I'm happy with what I have.
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Love mine, all of them, and the ones I had before the ones I have now!
Miker, why is your SERK hidding behind that bush? :nixweiss:
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It rolls out 1st!
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It rolls out 1st!
I see. I thought maybe you were afraid if it went in front no one would see the others. Like this picture for example...I still don't see the whipped cream. :nixweiss:
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I see. I thought maybe you were afraid if it went in front no one would see the others. Like this picture for example...I still don't see the whipped cream. :nixweiss:
One of the strangest claims ever on the site - the Invisible Whipped Cream Controversy (IWCC). Will study the pic for a while longer just to make sure....... :nixweiss:
:pepper: :pepper: :pepper:
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One of the strangest claims ever on the site - the Invisible Whipped Cream Controversy (IWCC). Will study the pic for a while longer just to make sure....... :nixweiss:
:pepper: :pepper: :pepper:
Am I asexual if I see whipped cream?
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Wow! 22 guests are viewing this thread! ???
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I think the whipped cream is like air...It is there you just can't see it.
Someone said there is beer bottles too but that is a stretch, I think anyways...
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Wow! 22 guests are viewing this thread! ???
22 is now 32
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22 is now 32
32 is now 33. Don't they know we're talking about them? :nixweiss:
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An now are 34....for the beer or for the whipped cream? Or because mi amigo Mike loves his 5 bikes?
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You guys do realize that number is how many HAVE VIEWED it, not CURRENTLY VIEWING it.
Silly boys. ;)
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Edited to reflect total missing the boat on this one. Oops.
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6, the littlest one was hidden
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Uh Oh.......you tipped 'um off......down to 29 now.......but, the whipped cream ploy is still at work. ??? har! spyder
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You guys do realize that number is how many HAVE VIEWED it, not CURRENTLY VIEWING it.
Silly boys. ;)
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Author Topic: New 2009 Harley's (Read 37620 times)
Silver-Black, miker, spydglide, Ghost Rider, Jester Whisperer, nevadamark, losturmind, copout221, lilbear and 23 Guests are viewing this topic
Not sure about yours Chief but mine says "ARE" viewing!
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Am I asexual if I see whipped cream?
No idea. No need to elaborate except....... Depends on which orifice the whipped cream is located in? :nixweiss:
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Not sure about yours Chief but mine says "ARE" viewing!
Oops!!! Silly me. Hey, it's Monday. :nixweiss:
:indian_chief:
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I read this thread expecting to see pics of new 2009 Harley Davidsons & what do I get?
Posts about mythical invisible whipped cream, asexual poster questions, & posts about how many world wide web viewers are looking at this page trying to figure out where the pictures of the 2009 Harleys are. :pepper: :pepper: :pepper:
Just try to imagine my disappointment........... :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2: :nixweiss:
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I read this thread expecting to see pics of new 2009 Harley Davidsons & what do I get?
Posts about mythical invisible whipped cream, asexual poster questions, & posts about how many world wide web viewers are looking at this page trying to figure out where the pictures of the 2009 Harleys are. :pepper: :pepper: :pepper:
Just try to imagine my disappointment........... :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2: :nixweiss:
Hate your disappointed.
Would a case of KY help you?
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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Hate your disappointed.
Would a case of KY help you?
:huepfenlol2:
Kentucky jelly? :nixweiss: That'll help if the whipped cream fails! (if you can find it)
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Kentucky jelly? :nixweiss: That'll help if the whipped cream fails! (if you can find it)
:huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
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Hate your disappointed.
Would a case of KY help you?
:huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
No. I would prefer a case of mythical whipped cream or......
A case of Slim Jims, a case of Dos XX's (or 2), & 3 years paid vacation would be nice. Life is just so harsh sometimes. :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2: :nixweiss: :huepfenlol2: :huepfenlol2:
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It is almost 1:00pm in Vegas. The new bikes must be on display by now.
Anyone from our Blog on site????
Any pictures????
Anyone know where in Vegas the dealer meeting is being held???
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It is almost 1:00pm in Vegas. The new bikes must be on display by now.
Anyone from our Blog on site????
Any pictures????
Anyone know where in Vegas the dealer meeting is being held???
I think you're about 24 hours too early. I believe tomorrow is the new model show. I might be wrong.
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It is almost 1:00pm in Vegas. The new bikes must be on display by now.
Anyone from our Blog on site????
Any pictures????
Anyone know where in Vegas the dealer meeting is being held???
The unveiling will be tomorrow.
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I know officially its tomorrow but .........the display have to be completed and some people have access.
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Doors will open Tuesday morning at 8:00AM Las Vegas time!
Should be interesting!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Oooo I can hardly wait! ::)
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And did you know that the unavailing will be accompanied with WHIPPED CREAM :bananarock:
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Here is folks.. the first picture of the 2009
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And did you know that the unavailing will be accompanied with WHIPPED CREAM :bananarock:
...and cool-aid :drink: 110's are good, need more cool-aid
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Las Vegas ;D
Guess where I will be on Thursday as luck would have it?
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TAKE PICTURES... :bananarock:
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I read this thread expecting to see pics of new 2009 Harley Davidsons....
Its always good to read such threads from the last page....
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Triumph just released their line of bikes for 2009. Just couple of hours before HD. And guess what a new model - another direct competition against Harley.
Seems like they are trying to fight HD for air time on this day.
Here is the link to news.
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/july/21-27/july2108-2009-triumph-range/?R=EPI-101874 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/july/21-27/july2108-2009-triumph-range/?R=EPI-101874)
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Still a chitload of guest on this thread.
Maybe it's the Motor Company waiting to see if the "Pool Boy" will show us some pictures before 8:00AM Tuesday.
That chlorine makes him hard to track!
Go "Pool Boy"!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Still a chitload of guest on this thread.
Maybe it's the Motor Company waiting to see if the "Pool Boy" will show us some pictures before 8:00AM Tuesday.
That chlorine makes him hard to track!
Go "Pool Boy"!
:2vrolijk_21:
Now I'm confused (again). Is it chitload or boatload? Or both? Which is good and which is bad?
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Now I'm confused (again). Is it chitload or boatload? Or both? Which is good and which is bad?
Chitload is GOOD!
Boatload is GOOD!
Got it!
:2vrolijk_21:
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Chitload is GOOD!
Boatload is GOOD!
Got it!
:2vrolijk_21:
Got it! All clear :2vrolijk_21: .
But what kind of a load is ba..... oh; never mind. ???
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What is bad when Harley sells a touring bike without a tour Pak. (SERG3)
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
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What is bad when Harley sells a touring bike without a tour Pak. (SERG3)
:nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss: :nixweiss:
That actually was completely expected here. No surprise at all.
RG normally doesn't come with a tour pak. Each year of a CVO model the subsequent model gets something the prior model did not. So just like the SEEGs the first year of the new SERG won't have a tour pak. Next year will though.
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Guess where I will be on Thursday as luck would have it?
Detroit ? :)
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Chitload is GOOD!
Boatload is GOOD!
Got it!
:2vrolijk_21:
Azzpile?
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Azzpile?
Azzpile BEST!
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Azzpile...... that reminds me of some REAL secret info I got today. 2010 info will be inside info definitely!
The pool boy is marrying the pizza "guy":
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Azzpile BEST!
Wouldn't this belong in the colonoscopy thread?
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Azzpile...... that reminds me of some REAL secret info I got today. 2010 info will be inside info definitely!
The pool boy is marrying the pizza "guy":
Hey the pizza "guy" looks like my UPS "guy"
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Hey the pizza "guy" looks like my UPS "guy"
Maybe she "moonlights"?
(http://content.ytmnd.com/content/d/1/1/d112c43cc531c8c0ecd7979c5f6056ae.jpg)
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The doors open in Vegas in a few minutes. Should be an interesting day.
I just got a call and there is a huge group of dealers and their employees waiting to enter the display area.
Wonder when the Web site will update.... Anyone know???
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The doors open in Vegas in a few minutes. Should be an interesting day.
I just got a call and there is a huge group of dealers and their employees waiting to enter the display area.
Wonder when the Web site will update.... Anyone know???
few mins?? how about an hour... thought they opened at 9:00 a.m.
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few mins?? how about an hour... thought they opened at 9:00 a.m.
They do........9:00 Mars time. har! spyder
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They do........9:00 Mars time. har! spyder
Hmm could do with some chocolate........
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Hmm could do with some chocolate........
Have to see SportyGordy ......he's the one from Mars. :vulcan: har! spyder
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Have to see SportyGordy ......he's the one from Mars. :vulcan: har! spyder
Couldn't find a Mars so I had a Twix instead.
;D
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72 guests tuned in to watch you guys talk about chocholate!!! ;D ;D :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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yeah well we are a real Sweet bunch!
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I like chocolate....
Shameless post pad post
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few mins?? how about an hour... thought they opened at 9:00 a.m.
Sorry I forgot about the two hour difference
Well only 45 minutes to go.
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Couldn't find a Mars so I had a Twix instead.
;D
OK George. Ahhhhh, the Nugget. :-* har! spyder
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Chocolate 110 CVO 09 Road Glide!! :P
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OK George. Ahhhhh, the Nugget. :-* har! spyder
Pardon me Spyd?
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Chocolate 110 CVO 09 Road Glide!! :P
...grape cool-aid SERG emm 110's are good :drink:
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Pardon me Spyd?
Thought you were referring to the Seinfield episode with the Twix candy bars.... :D....sorry. :drink: spyder
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Thought you were referring to the Seinfield episode with the Twix candy bars.... :D....sorry. :drink: spyder
You have a warped and twisted mind Spyd!
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You have a warped and twisted mind Spyd!
I KNOW! :jester: It's always worked well for me thus far.......should I start worrying at this late date? :nervous: har! :drink: spyder
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Birdseye view spotted a "wild looking new trike".....we all knew that was coming and a new "vrod model".
All other new bikes are unwraps and will be rolled out as the show opens.
the count down continues..........
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Screw this, I'm going to lunch...
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fatboy,
Good work
keep the information coming...
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An update
Just talked with someone there.
Buells were first at 8:00AM
Harley's are scheduled for 9:30AM (12:30 East Coast)
They told me the website would be updated after the Harley preview was complete.
Damn!
>:(
MikeD, I'm with you!
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MUST KEEP REFRESHING! :soapbox:
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Road Glide, Ultra, and Dyna models will be the CVO's with 1802 cc engine.
Could this be it :nixweiss:
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All the fanfare as usual! I'm not impressed with anything but that Orange, Black and Silver CVO RG. Too bad it's got a fairing! ::) :P ;D ;)
Interested to know more about the FL frame mods. Anyone? :confused5:
Hoist! 8)
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I think it's a wonderful testament to the site that Neal was treated to pre-release info. Way to go Neal!!!!!
:indian_chief:
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Harleys site down probably updating now :drink:
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Thanks Neal... :drink:
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They must be loading them up now because I can't get on the HD site. Yipeee
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I Just found this
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Improvements to the 2009 Harley-Davidson CVO Ultra Classic Electra Glide include a new frame, new 2-1-2 exhaust system, and a suspended seat to protect the rider from engine heat.
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The front tires look lower profile on the EG and RG !!! The re-design of the exhaust looks interesting !!
Redesigned frame = B motor / Liquid Cooling (NOT) / ???
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Im very impressed, much better looking paint than last year on the SEUC.
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Hope ya'll are equally impressed with the same state-of-the-art 110 powerplants in these babys! ::) :nixweiss: ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Thanks Neal for all the updates. HTF did you do all that so fast.
You are of course elevated to the ranks of the Gods once again - :2vrolijk_21:
Nige
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Hope ya'll are equally impressed with the same state-of-the-art 110 powerplants in these babys! ::) :nixweiss: ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
Impressed - I'm gobsmacked!
:nixweiss:
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Hope ya'll are equally impressed with the same state-of-the-art 110 powerplants in these babys! ::) :nixweiss: ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
Probably a good idea to keep the 110 since they haven't even worked out all the problems yet. Imagine what an abortion it would be if the MOCO designed a new larger displacement motor for 2009 ? Especially if it is still air cooled and needs to meet the EPA regulations. Talk about heat and failure issues !!
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New line-up looks fantastic, really like the rear of the RG looks like the turn signals are built into the filler panels? Great color combos on most of the bikes and good graphics! I even like the 110 motor!!
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New line-up looks fantastic, really like the rear of the RG looks like the turn signals are built into the filler panels? Great color combos on most of the bikes and good graphics! I even like the 110 motor!!
Johnny, if you get an '09, I want to be adopted. ;)
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My friend at the dealer meeting says Trike looks awesome :drink:
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Service manager buddy of mine emailed me pics of RG this morning and we agreed rounding out the hard bags on the rear for the exhaust to fit sucked. No one keeps stock mufflers on.
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Service manager buddy of mine emailed me pics of RG this morning and we agreed rounding out the hard bags on the rear for the exhaust to fit sucked. No one keeps stock mufflers on.
Absolutely kills the bike....Too bad, well there will be one more out there for someone who dosen't care about that.
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2009 Buell 1125CR has a liquid-cooled, 1125-cc V-Twin engine made in Austria by BRP Inc., a Canadian company that also makes Evinrude outboard boat engines in Sturtevant
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Don't know if this has been posted yet >> http://motorcycles.about.com/od/newbikephotogalleries/ig/2009-Harley-Davidson-CVOs/CVO-Ultra-Profile.htm
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collector on right side possibly catalitic converter!!!???
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They are on the website now :)
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Looks like some of us got our wish. SERG
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-- Seven Touring models rolling on a new chassis that combines a new
frame, swingarm, wheels and tires, plus redesigned exhaust and engine
mounting. The results include crisp maneuverability, more luggage capacity,
enhanced heat management and increased rear tire life.
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Orange and black
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130/80B17 65H
180/65B16 81H
new sizes on all touring line
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Orange and black
I wonder if anyone will maintain that rear reflector on the saddlebag paint? :-\ har. spyder
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I wonder if anyone will maintain that rear reflector on the saddlebag paint? :-\ har. spyder
Only if it's an LED and lights up
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130/80B17 65H
180/65B16 81H
new sizes on all touring line
Crap, more new tire sizes! :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
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Crap, more new tire sizes! :nixweiss:
Hoist! 8)
Yeah, but wait until they post the specs on the CVO's there will be even more. Those look like 18"s on the front of the SERG and maybe 17"s on the rear, but obviously 180 wide. Will the 180 fit on the 07/08 SERKS? Anyway, lots of tire sizes for everyone to try and keep track of.
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Nothing on the H-D site on the Trike.
Any pics from the dealer show from a cell phone on the Trike?
Dean
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Yeah, but wait until they post the specs on the CVO's there will be even more. Those look like 18"s on the front of the SERG and maybe 17"s on the rear, but obviously 180 wide. Will the 180 fit on the 07/08 SERKS? Anyway, lots of tire sizes for everyone to try and keep track of.
The 180's they're running are 16's on the stock '09 FL's. We have 17's. ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Service manager buddy of mine emailed me pics of RG this morning and we agreed rounding out the hard bags on the rear for the exhaust to fit sucked. No one keeps stock mufflers on.
Yet another nail in the coffin of those who wish to change the exhaust system, or anything else, on their new bike. Everything is being pushed toward making it harder and harder for us to do what we want. control - control - control. These emission freaks have a lot answer for.
Nige
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If you look at spec. gear ratio's have been lowered on stock bikes from ours .I'll have to see how that was done. ride safe JDO
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I found the trike
$29,999
www.thekneeslider.com
Dean
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If you look at spec. gear ratio's have been lowered on stock bikes from ours .I'll have to see how that was done. ride safe JDO
The info states the same primary ratios and I have to assume the same gear ratios, so either they dropped a tooth on the transmission pulley, or they added 2 to the rear sprocket.
2008 - 2009
9.312 - 9.593
6.421 - 6.650
4.774 - 4.938
3.926 - 4.000
3.279 - 3.407
2.790 - 2.875
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http://www.usridernews.com/absolutenm/templates/Newbikes.asp?articleid=482&zoneid=8
here is the trike
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I wonder if anyone will maintain that rear reflector on the saddlebag paint? :-\ har. spyder
I hope the glue is not too sticky. On the bikes with crash guards, the reflectors are ON the crash guards. Another way of loosing them ... ;-)
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http://www.usridernews.com/absolutenm/templates/Newbikes.asp?articleid=482&zoneid=8
here is the trike
It comes with the 103 SE engine & 6-speed
HARLEY-DAVIDSON INTRODUCES TRI GLIDE ULTRA CLASSIC
Designed from the Frame Up for Reliable, Comfortable Three-Wheel Touring
MILWAUKEE (July 22, 2008) – Harley-Davidson brings original-equipment design, quality and service to the three-wheel motorcycle segment with the introduction of the 2009 Tri Glide Ultra Classic motorcycle. Based on a new chassis designed specifically for this three-wheel application, the Tri Glide offers the classic styling and popular touring features of the Harley-Davidson Ultra Classic Electra Glide in a vehicle that will be sold and serviced by the network of Harley-Davidson dealers and covered by a two-year Harley-Davidson limited warranty. The Tri Glide will have an MSRP of $29,999.
Harley-Davidson launched a “wheels-up” strategy in the development of the Tri Glide, and has created a frame and associated chassis structure that is engineered specifically to handle the loads generated by the steering forces and weight of a three-wheel vehicle. Changes to the front-end geometry enhance steering control by reducing steering effort up to 25 percent. The forks have been lengthened by 1.775 inches compared to the regular Touring motorcycle, and rake is increased from 29.25 degrees to 32.00 degrees. A steer damper controls coast-down wobble, and minimizes bumps and other road inputs during turning events.
Harley-Davidson has designed a new rear-axle assembly for the Tri Glide that utilizes an aluminum center section with steel axle tubes. The Tri Glide retains the high-strength and low-maintenance advantages of belt final drive, and the smooth operation of a rubber-cushioned, compensated rear drive. The rear suspension features dual air-adjustable rear shock absorbers.
The Tri Glide is powered by a Twin Cam 103 V-Twin engine with Electronic Sequential Port Fuel Injection (ESPFI), rated at 101 ft. lbs. of torque. It retains the 6-speed Cruise Drive transmission used on Harley-Davidson Touring motorcycles, but adds an optional electric reverse ($1,195) integrated with the rear differential assembly that is engaged with a handlebar-mounted reverse module. The Tri Glide has dual front disc brakes and a Hayes Brake dual-disc rear brake system with a lever-actuated, integrated park brake.
Classic Harley-Davidson Styling
The Harley-Davidson styling department gave the new body components of the Tri Glide clean lines that integrate with the existing Ultra bodywork, especially the Tour Pak luggage compartment and the passenger seating area. The new bodywork is painted with the same quality OEM paint and process used on all Harley-Davidson motorcycles, and is a perfect color match for the tank and front fender. The composite rear fenders complement the lines of the front fender. Because the rear fenders are each a separate piece from the rest of the rear bodywork, they can be removed individually for repair or replacement, or when required to service the Tri Glide.
The molded-composite trunk provides 4.5 cubic feet of storage space and can be accessed through a rear hatch. The trunk and Tour Pak have a combined capacity of 6.56 cubic feet and are rated to carry up to 80 pounds. A single key will handle all luggage locking functions, and activate the ignition. Dual mufflers with tapered end caps exit below the trunk. Brake/tail/turn lights are located on each fender, and the Tri Glide retains the Tour Pak lighting used on the Ultra Classic, including the LED side running lights. Matching front and rear black and machined split seven-spoke cast aluminum wheels provide the Tri Glide its integrated and true, factory-built look. The 16-inch front wheel is three inches wide and carries a MT90B16 motorcycle tire, while the 15-inch rear wheels are five inches wide and are fitted with P205/65R15 tires.
Forward of the rear wheels, the Tri Glide retains the style and features of the Ultra Classic Electra Glide, including the distinctive “bat wing” fairing, auxiliary driving lamps, and deep-skirted front fender. A low-profile chrome console tops a six-gallon fuel tank. The fairing holds complete instrumentation and the 80-watt Advanced Audio System with CB radio and passenger intercom system. Adjustable air deflectors on the fairing and vented fairing lowers allow the rider to control wind flow for comfort in warm or cool weather. Cruise control is standard equipment.
The Tri Glide Ultra Classic will be offered three colors: Vivid Black, Dark Blue Pearl, and Red Hot Sunglo.
FLHTCUTG Tri Glide Ultra Classic features:
Three-wheel specific frame
Rubber mounted Twin Cam 103 engine with ESPFI
6-speed Cruise Drive transmission
Black powder-coated engine with chrome treatment
Brembo dual-disc front brake system
Hayes Brake dual-disc rear brake system with integrated park brake
Six-gallon fuel tank
Electronic Throttle Control
2-1-2 exhaust system
Engine isolation system
Isolated Drive System
Triple Circuit Damping (TCD) front forks
Air-adjustable rear suspension
Bat-wing, fork-mounted fairing
Full instrumentation
80-watt Advanced Audio System by Harman/Kardon
40-watt CB radio and intercom system
Cruise control
Shorty antennas
Clear-lens reflector-optics auxiliary lamps
Fiberglass adjustable King Tour-Pak with passenger backrest
Tour-Pak mounted tail/stop light
Rear luggage trunk
One-piece, two-up Electra Glide comfort-stitch touring saddle
Vented lower fairings with integrated storage compartments
Adjustable fairing wind deflectors
Steering damper
Optional electric reverse
Optional Smart Security System
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Does it bother anyone but me that the new bikes come stock with the rear cylinder heat deflectors (which only make things more comfortable for the rider at the cost of 'trapping' the hot air around the rear cylinder which already is running too hot)? The whole idea is to get the hot air AWAY from the motor to allow it to cool.. :duhk:...not build a barrier around it to hold the heat against it... :nervous:..or am I missing something? :nixweiss: spyder
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The info sattes the saame primary ratios and I have to assume the same gear ratios, so either they dropped a tooth on the transmission pulley, or they added 2 to the rear sprocket.
2008 - 2009
9.312 - 9.593
6.421 - 6.650
4.774 - 4.938
3.926 - 4.000
3.279 - 3.407
2.790 - 2.875
:indian_chief:
There's the "better gas mileage claim. Wonder about 6th @ 65-70 mph?
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Does it bother anyone but me that the new bikes come stock with the rear cylinder heat deflectors (which only make things more comfortable for the rider at the cost of 'trapping' the hot air around the rear cylinder which already is running too hot)? The whole idea is to get the hot air AWAY from the motor to allow it to cool.. :duhk:...not build a barrier around it to hold the heat against it... :nervous:..or am I missing something? :nixweiss: spyder
Spyder - I spoke to the guy who designed the Kuryakyn heat shields for Harleys. He told me - showed me - how air is FORCED onto the rear jug by the Kuryakyn shield. So their shield adds more air flow to rear fins, according to the guy who designed it. Suppose the same applies to the Harley shields.
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Does it bother anyone but me that the new bikes come stock with the rear cylinder heat deflectors (which only make things more comfortable for the rider at the cost of 'trapping' the hot air around the rear cylinder which already is running too hot)? The whole idea is to get the hot air AWAY from the motor to allow it to cool.. :duhk:...not build a barrier around it to hold the heat against it... :nervous:..or am I missing something? :nixweiss: spyder
In the new video about the '09 Touring bikes Harley mentions that the rear cylinder is shut-off when the bike is not moving. Or something to that effect.
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Some naked pictures from the dealer show...
Bet that will get some people in this thread. They are pictures of the frame :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Another....
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Last one....
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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Another....
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Let's see the trike Gary, the trike................ :2vrolijk_21:
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Some naked pictures from the dealer show...
Bet that will get some people in this thread. They are pictures of the frame :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
You are right, d00d. Naked frame pics will get Search Engines fired up everywhere and boobs I mean bobbers fans everywhere will want to be looking at these pics.
:huepfenlol2:
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Let's see the trike Gary, the trike................ :2vrolijk_21:
I have asked about it. :2vrolijk_21:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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I'd like to see how the motor was mounted and in how many places. I det they eliminated the rear wheel streer issue.
IMHO, it seems that most of the recent HD R&D dollars are being spent on the Touring line.
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everybody eventually ends up on an Ultra or at least has one in their stable
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everybody eventually ends up on an Ultra or at least has one in their stable
HeHeHe!!! You FD guys KILL ME!!! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
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HeHeHe!!! You FD guys KILL ME!!! :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3: :huepfenjump3:
Hoist! 8)
Two, a FDWG3 and oh, did I mention a 2009 SERG :bananarock: :carrot: :jalapeno: :apple: :cucumber: :pepper: :pineapple: :2vrolijk_21:
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If we keep riding we eventually end up on a.......
(http://www.retailersuppliersellercompanymakermanufacturerukengland.co.uk/Electric-Scooters.jpg)
And red must still be the fastest color - that guy is SMILING!
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Some naked pictures from the dealer show...
Bet that will get some people in this thread. They are pictures of the frame :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
Were you there Gary acting like spy?
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If we keep riding we eventually end up on a.......
(http://www.retailersuppliersellercompanymakermanufacturerukengland.co.uk/Electric-Scooters.jpg)
And red must still be the fastest color - that guy is SMILING!
such a little rascal!
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Were you there Gary acting like spy?
Who me?? :innocent: :huepfenlol2:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
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The 180's they're running are 16's on the stock '09 FL's. We have 17's. ;)
Hoist! 8)
Howie,
Can't tell for sure, but that looks like a 17" rear on the FLTRSE3.
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Two, a FDWG3 and oh, did I mention a 2009 SERG :bananarock: :carrot: :jalapeno: :apple: :cucumber: :pepper: :pineapple: :2vrolijk_21:
What? Gary, I thought you read all these posts :nixweiss:
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Spyder - I spoke to the guy who designed the Kuryakyn heat shields for Harleys. He told me - showed me - how air is FORCED onto the rear jug by the Kuryakyn shield. So their shield adds more air flow to rear fins, according to the guy who designed it. Suppose the same applies to the Harley shields.
Sure.....when the bikes moving thru the air, but, I'm talking about when the rear jug gets so hot .... in traffic, stopped at lights, esp. thru towns, stop and go, etc...that's when the shields just hold the air around the motor instead of allowing it to rise up away from the rear jug and onto the riders legs....more comfort for the rider at the expense of the motor. I wonder if that's what the new 'floating seat' that's suppose to be 'cooler' is.....something to block the heat from rising away from the motor? Got to see one to figure what their doing. ;) har! spyder
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I'm really under the impression that the new exhaust running underneath the bikes is designed to help keep heat away from the motor and rider. The only problem I see with this new design it is trying to get a service lift under it to change a tire and fluids. That will be a pain in the a$$
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I'm really under the impression that the new exhaust running underneath the bikes is designed to help keep heat away from the motor and rider. The only problem I see with this new design it is trying to get a service lift under it to change a tire and fluids. That will be a pain in the a$$
And susceptibility to road damage also.......you know how often we see new groves in the bottom of our frame....hitting stuff & dragging on bumps, etc. :-[ spyder
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And susceptibility to road damage also.......you know how often we see new groves in the bottom of our frame....hitting stuff & dragging on bumps, etc. :-[ spyder
If it's completely exposed without guard of any kind some real care will have to become the order of the riding day. Things like Evel Knieveling a curb to get out of a parking lot might ruin your whole day.
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If it's completely exposed without guard of any kind some real care will have to become the order of the riding day. Things like Evel Knieveling a curb to get out of a parking lot might ruin your whole day.
Or hitting a speed bump and realizing that the bottom of your Harley is nowhere near as high as your dual sport Kawa??
I only hit my dog bone :duhk:, I can't imagine crushing the collector/exhaust...not to mention the effect it would have up stream of where you hit.
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Looks like they have lowered the gear ratio also 2.85 instead of 2.79
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Anyone else having trouble with the HD website??
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What? Gary, I thought you read all these posts :nixweiss:
I was trying to keep that on the down low until I'd spoke to you about being the first on the list for the fly/ride program. Since you are thinking about an O/B one I wanted to be first on the list. :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Sure.....when the bikes moving thru the air, but, I'm talking about when the rear jug gets so hot .... in traffic, stopped at lights, esp. thru towns, stop and go, etc...that's when the shields just hold the air around the motor instead of allowing it to rise up away from the rear jug and onto the riders legs....more comfort for the rider at the expense of the motor. I wonder if that's what the new 'floating seat' that's suppose to be 'cooler' is.....something to block the heat from rising away from the motor? Got to see one to figure what their doing. ;) har! spyder
Spyder,
Will make a bet with ya & it's a safe one:
When these 09's hit the showroom, people will be laying on the floor & crawling around to look up under them to see what that exhaust cross over looks like in more detail. Well, maybe I'll be the only one, but for SURE I know there will be one guy doing just that.
Would be smart for a dealer to display one of these up in the air & a little on it's side to show what the 09 new frame/exhaust/etc. look like so we can stand next to it & point at stuff & say things like "hmmmmmmm, yeah, I see." ;D
Agreed on the holding the air around the jug part when stopped - mine was so damn hot, prior to true duals, tune, etc. that it was burning my leg. Wonder if they programmed the 09 rear jug to alternate fire at idle for heat "management?" Wonder if there is a shock under the new seat or a spring?
Mike
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According to the video on the Harley site.....the rear jug shuts down at stops or in parade duty etc. As far as the site when you try to get the 2009 CVO lineup I get the 2008 instead. Seems part of the system is not up yet as of this morning.
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Thr cross over will certainly keep the oil warm....and the tranny oil nice and cozy too.
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The parade duty EITMS was first available on the 07 models and can be turned on/off with the SERT or by the dealer. It may be on by default now.
Also, is it me or is the space between the bags and the fender a lot wider on the 09s? Check out the 360 degree views on the MOCO site.
I wonder if relocating the exhaust crossover under the bike will affect frame type jacks/ lifts? Certainly exhaust work will be different.
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Here are some odds an ends I learned from the show.
1. Triglide. You won't be seeing many of them at dealerships. Highest volume dealers have been promised 3 initially. The reverse gear operates off the battery and is optional.
2. The new FL frame purports to address the "high speed wobble" in the redesign of the swing arm attachment to the frame.
3. Elimination of the cross over was one of two steps taken for heat control. The other was the shut down of the rear jug by coming to a stop and twisting throttle to the full off stop.
4. FL models still rubber balanced but new frame results in less vibration especially at idle.
5 SE Roadglide. A chopped Tour pak is available. Depending on demand the King Tour pak may be available. Frame has new attachment locations for passenger backrest and Tour Pak. The 3 colors will be manufactured in this order: orange, silver, yellow . Later in the year they repeat the same sequence. The saddlebag extentions are glued and screwed to the bottom of the saddlebags. The saddlebags are attached the same as in the past.
6 All 110 engines have been shipped with the latest fix for the head gasket leak issue.
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Here are some odds an ends I learned from the show.
1. Triglide. You won't be seeing many of them at dealerships. Highest volume dealers have been promised 3 initially. The reverse gear operates off the battery and is optional.
2. The new FL frame purports to address the "high speed wobble" in the redesign of the swing arm attachment to the frame.
3. Elimination of the cross over was one of two steps taken for heat control. The other was the shut down of the rear jug by coming to a stop and twisting throttle to the full off stop.
4. FL models still rubber balanced but new frame results in less vibration especially at idle.
5 SE Roadglide. A chopped Tour pak is available. Depending on demand the King Tour pak may be available. Frame has new attachment locations for passenger backrest and Tour Pak. The 3 colors will be manufactured in this order: orange, silver, yellow . Later in the year they repeat the same sequence. The saddlebag extentions are glued and screwed to the bottom of the saddlebags. The saddlebags are attached the same as in the past.
6 All 110 engines have been shipped with the latest fix for the head gasket leak issue.
Big thanks for the pictures yesterday and the followup info today. :bigok:
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Spyder,
Will make a bet with ya & it's a safe one:
When these 09's hit the showroom, people will be laying on the floor & crawling around to look up under them to see what that exhaust cross over looks like in more detail. Well, maybe I'll be the only one, but for SURE I know there will be one guy doing just that.
Would be smart for a dealer to display one of these up in the air & a little on it's side to show what the 09 new frame/exhaust/etc. look like so we can stand next to it & point at stuff & say things like "hmmmmmmm, yeah, I see." ;D
Agreed on the holding the air around the jug part when stopped - mine was so damn hot, prior to true duals, tune, etc. that it was burning my leg. Wonder if they programmed the 09 rear jug to alternate fire at idle for heat "management?" Wonder if there is a shock under the new seat or a spring?
Mike
Not just the exhaust, but the rear engine mount too. From the pictures d00d posted, it looks like the swingarm is still mounted to the back of the transmission, so unless they've done something to eliminate side-to-side movement of the whole assembly, rear steer brackets will still be an option. Without the dog bone, the Tru-Trak and Alloy Art units won't work anymore and it appears the rear swingarm pivot blocks are now part of the frame which kills the ride-Str8 and TWR units as well.
I can't wait to see the PDF that shows all of the changes. Where'd we get that from last year?
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Not just the exhaust, but the rear engine mount too. From the pictures d00d posted, it looks like the swingarm is still mounted to the back of the transmission, so unless they've done something to eliminate side-to-side movement of the whole assembly, rear steer brackets will still be an option. Without the dog bone, the Tru-Trak and Alloy Art units won't work anymore and it appears the rear swingarm pivot blocks are now part of the frame which kills the ride-Str8 and TWR units as well.
I can't wait to see the PDF that shows all of the changes. Where'd we get that from last year?
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Jerry posted them for '07 changes. 8 PDFs. Maybe he can dig them up for the '09's. What do ya say Jerry? :2vrolijk_21:
Hoist! 8)
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Or hitting a speed bump and realizing that the bottom of your Harley is nowhere near as high as your dual sport Kawa??
I only hit my dog bone :duhk:, I can't imagine crushing the collector/exhaust...not to mention the effect it would have up stream of where you hit.
As small as the outlet in the left pipe is, as shown in someone's picture, That cross over pipe is WAYYYY too big anyway. Crushing it in half won't hurt a thing. ;D
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Especially when it has been chucked in the trash...
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Thr cross over will certainly keep the oil warm....and the tranny oil nice and cozy too.
Where are the cats ?? If integrated into the mufflers the stuff in the bags will be toasty also. Maybe Wille got a good deal on asbestos and the bag extensions have insulation in them. Doc
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Those extensions are awful, just awful...The top half of the bike looks great...
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Anyone else having trouble with the HD website??
Yes, its been up and down since yesterday around noon. Last night basically nothing worked. Now some things work. If you want to see a bike, click on 2009 motorcycles(do not click on the family on the menu on left). Once the initial screen with each family is up(the gas station with one of each bike) click on the bike representing the model line. If you then choose to see the family from that, it will give you the options to see the colors etc of each bike. I am very disappointed that a company like Harley can't even get the site properly working. Ass long as they are putting more effort into the bikes I'll get over it.
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Stealing a shot from the video, the "redesigned mounting system" is clearly visible here.
The front mount looks totally different. The top mount looks the same and the rear mount really looks like the pivot blocks are part of the frame which would mean a totally different rear system. Hopefully we'll get the cad drawings soon to see for sure.
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I was trying to keep that on the down low until I'd spoke to you about being the first on the list for the fly/ride program. Since you are thinking about an O/B one I wanted to be first on the list. :D
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
:fireman:
1. d00derator with Hat and thong
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Those extensions are awful, just awful...The top half of the bike looks great...
LOVE the avatar!!
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If you look real hard, you can see the rear tubes are a "plug in" like a V-Rod on the lower frame under the motor.
Find the pic from the dealer show of the yellow frame with all the body and seat off and you can see the two bolts on the top rail and the two bolts on the lower frame.
Hope the bolts never get lose!
Dean
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Not just the exhaust, but the rear engine mount too. From the pictures d00d posted, it looks like the swingarm is still mounted to the back of the transmission, so unless they've done something to eliminate side-to-side movement of the whole assembly, rear steer brackets will still be an option. Without the dog bone, the Tru-Trak and Alloy Art units won't work anymore and it appears the rear swingarm pivot blocks are now part of the frame which kills the ride-Str8 and TWR units as well.
I can't wait to see the PDF that shows all of the changes. Where'd we get that from last year?
:indian_chief:
HD is keeping the aftermarket guys busy for sure - redesigned frame makes most of the rear stabilizers obsolete. Maybe they have done something about the side to side but not sure at this point.
Thanks for posting that frame video still, Chuck. :2vrolijk_21: Gonna study that pic some more when I get time.
Mike
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I am wondering if the new 180 rear tire will fit the 07 08 FL. If all FLs have 180 then perhaps it wont be a HD dealer exclusive and more options will become available.
Anyone know if rim width and clearances on 07 and 08 CVO allow for 180?
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I am wondering if the new 180 rear tire will fit the 07 08 FL. If all FLs have 180 then perhaps it wont be a HD dealer exclusive and more options will become available.
Anyone know if rim width and clearances on 07 and 08 CVO allow for 180?
Don't think a 180 would work on my 07. Never seen the tire off an 08 so don't know.
Mike
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SERK3, SERK4 had different rear fenders to allow for the 170s.
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I am wondering if the new 180 rear tire will fit the 07 08 FL. If all FLs have 180 then perhaps it wont be a HD dealer exclusive and more options will become available.
Anyone know if rim width and clearances on 07 and 08 CVO allow for 180?
Our rims are 3" wide. The new rims are 5" wide.
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Our rims are 3" wide. The new rims are 5" wide.:indian_chief:
Still Steel? :nixweiss: spyder
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Still Steel? :nixweiss: spyder
Good question. Don't know.
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SERK3, SERK4 had different rear fenders to allow for the 170s.
actually if you look you will see the primary case is also different which moves the belt outboard
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Our rims are 3" wide. The new rims are 5" wide.
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Ain't NO FRIGGIN way anyone (with a brain cell) put a 170mm tire on a 3" rim!
I am betting 2008 SERK is 4 1/2" rear wheel
any takers?
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After looking as close as I can, which is a couple of lousy pictures from other sites, I've come to the conclusion BB did the best thing is buying a stock RG and making it into a SE himself. I don't really like the bag extenders, the 110 or the color choices.
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Ain't NO FRIGGIN way anyone (with a brain cell) put a 170mm tire on a 3" rim!
I am betting 2008 SERK is 4 1/2" rear wheel
any takers?
My reference, "ours", is to the Ultras, not the SERKs. We're running the MU85-16 which is 143mm I believe and it's on a 3 incher. I missed the SERK implication.
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Ain't NO FRIGGIN way anyone (with a brain cell) put a 170mm tire on a 3" rim!
I am betting 2008 SERK is 4 1/2" rear wheel
any takers?
The '07 SERK has a 4-1/2" rear wheel with a 170/60/17 Radial tire. The '08 is the same. ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Hopefully the new frame, seat and exhaust system will make the bikes feel cooler for the rider, but I swear that HD is getting worse than the imports in changing so many things each year. They had used the same frame and wheel/tire size for the last umpteen years, and now it's all different. It makes long term ownership tedious. I'm glad for improvements that work, but it seems like there are such huge changes every year.
Personally, I plan on keeping my '08 for the long haul. I just hope I will be able to get the parts down the road to keep it running. Too bad that they don't concentrate more on fixing the known engine problems. -I wonder if the cylinders are changed?
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I really like the 2009 models, I am sure I will like the 2010 even more. Harley wants us all to trade every year or two. Keeps the factory running. I for one will keep my 07 SEUC, think of what it would have cost to trade the 07 on a 08, then trade the 08 on a 09.
Scottt
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My reference, "ours", is to the Ultras, not the SERKs. We're running the MU85-16 which is 143mm I believe and it's on a 3 incher. I missed the SERK implication.
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My bad Chief......I didn't ref SERK cuz I didn't realize the SERK was different than the other FL CVOs in the rear end. Sorry for the hasty sarcasm :oops:
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My bad Chief......I didn't ref SERK cuz I didn't realize the SERK was different than the other FL CVOs in the rear end. Sorry for the hasty sarcasm :oops:
No problem. All is good. :2vrolijk_21:
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I'll have to say that I like the red SEUC this year. I also like the RG...except for those cheap a$$ed looking bag extenders. Ruined a perfectly decent design flow, IMO. You'd think for a 4K or less run of bikes, they could have done the damn things right and charged a couple of hundred extra bucks for the added labor to make it a one piece, at least in looks if not in function. Like Jerry mentioned in an earlier post somewhere, they look like some kind of JC Whitney afterthought. Bet they're smooth next year...
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I'll have to say that I like the red SEUC this year. I also like the RG...except for those cheap a$$ed looking bag extenders. Ruined a perfectly decent design flow, IMO. You'd think for a 4K or less run of bikes, they could have done the damn things right and charged a couple of hundred extra bucks for the added labor to make it a one piece, at least in looks if not in function. Like Jerry mentioned in an earlier post somewhere, they look like some kind of JC Whitney afterthought. Bet they're smooth next year...
Maybe D00d can go ahead and morph this into the 1st of the 2010 CVO's threads... :D...har! spyder
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I'll have to say that I like the red SEUC this year. I also like the RG...except for those cheap a$$ed looking bag extenders. Ruined a perfectly decent design flow, IMO. You'd think for a 4K or less run of bikes, they could have done the damn things right and charged a couple of hundred extra bucks for the added labor to make it a one piece, at least in looks if not in function. Like Jerry mentioned in an earlier post somewhere, they look like some kind of JC Whitney afterthought. Bet they're smooth next year...
my first impression was the same, but i think it has grown on me
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Wow the CVO portion of the web site sucks or is it just my Adobe version????
I hope they make it look like the 2008
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Wow the CVO portion of the web site sucks or is it just my Adobe version????
I hope they make it look like the 2008
Just a pdf, I imagine they'll have it up in web form soon. Hope soon, need a new screen saver. :bananarock:
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Got a call from the Harley shop today.
Come on down, we just got two 09 Ultra's and a 09 Road King. (non CVO)
So a couple of comments,
1) The front pipe that crosses under the frame is not round, it's more like an oval, a wide oval.
It's flat on top and flat on bottom, like it was round but smashed to gain clearance. And the pipe appears smaller in diameter than the right side pipe.
2) The frame is much beefier. Much bigger tubes in front, bigger tubes every where.
3) The swing arm now is no comparison to the past. It is huge, much stronger looking.
4) The tour pak mounting is totally different from the past. The mount looks like a luggage rack with a tour pak attached.
5) The drive belt is a good 3" away from the exhaust pipe.
6) (just my opinion so it could be wrong) The under exhaust is real close to the transmission case. No, it's not going to hit but I'm betting it sure will be hot under there.
7) The saddlebag mounting brackets are totally different from 08.
8) We took off the right saddlebag and sidecover and the frame is a bolt together assembly. It's not a one piece frame now.
That's all I can think of right now!
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thanks for info :2vrolijk_21:
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Got a call from the Harley shop today.
Come on down, we just got two 09 Ultra's and a 09 Road King. (non CVO)
That's all I can think of right now!
When do you get yours?
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Got a call from the Harley shop today.
Come on down, we just got two 09 Ultra's and a 09 Road King. (non CVO)
So a couple of comments,
1) The front pipe that crosses under the frame is not round, it's more like an oval, a wide oval.
It's flat on top and flat on bottom, like it was round but smashed to gain clearance. And the pipe appears smaller in diameter than the right side pipe.
2) The frame is much beefier. Much bigger tubes in front, bigger tubes every where.
3) The swing arm now is no comparison to the past. It is huge, much stronger looking.
4) The tour pak mounting is totally different from the past. The mount looks like a luggage rack with a tour pak attached.
5) The drive belt is a good 3" away from the exhaust pipe.
6) (just my opinion so it could be wrong) The under exhaust is real close to the transmission case. No, it's not going to hit but I'm betting it sure will be hot under there.
7) The saddlebag mounting brackets are totally different from 08.
8) We took off the right saddlebag and sidecover and the frame is a bolt together assembly. It's not a one piece frame now.
That's all I can think of right now!
That's all great information. Thank you!
By the way, I have noticed that the seat height on the '09 SEUC is about 1,5 inches lower than on the '08 and at the same time the ground clearance has been increased. Both changes for the good.
Ride safely,
Louis
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i just came from the dealer too, i saw 2009 rk classic old school green with cream the most beautiful thing i ave seen. i noticed the fat tire in the back also noticed the bigger frame,the pipe on the left looks like if you lean the bike pretty good it might scrath. i sat on the bike the sitting position its a little high,but the bike is so nice,but i stiil like the serg orange which i have order already.
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Pictures Pictures Pictures. :carrot:
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Pictures Pictures Pictures. :carrot:
azone14,
Welcome to the site glad to have you join us. :2vrolijk_21: When you get a chance you should go to this board - New Member Introduction (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php/board,30.0.html) and start a thread to introduce yourself.
For pictures of the '09's you can go here (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=25370.0), here (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=25367.0), here (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=25368.0), here (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=25366.0), and here (http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=25369.0).
:pumpkin:
Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Stealership has 09 demo fleet in next week (7/28 - 8/2). I'll get plenty of pictures Monday and post them along with my impression of the SERG and possibly the SE Ultra.
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azone14 welcome aboard :2vrolijk_21:
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Hey there,
Just curious what an Isolated drive System is? Sorry if I am an idiot... Not very technical as you can tell. Just like to ride..
Thanks... Brett
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Hey there,
Just curious what an Isolated drive System is? Sorry if I am an idiot... Not very technical as you can tell. Just like to ride..
Thanks... Brett
It's the "cush drive" rubber isolated rear sprockets they're using now on touring bikes to hide some of the HD feeling that current HD riders have complained about. They should just put them folks on an ole shovel demo ride. They'll realize how smooth these rubber mounts are already. Those cush mounts belong on Jap bikes where they originated! They keep isolating things on these bikes and you won't even know you're riding anymore!!! ;)
Hoist! 8)
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Hey there,
Just curious what an Isolated drive System is? Sorry if I am an idiot... Not very technical as you can tell. Just like to ride..
Thanks... Brett
It's a pulse dampener to smooth out the ride. Stock on 08, fits an 07 and built in on 09. There are several threads here about the guys with 07s who added them. I have one and like it. It's real smooth at low speeds now. It was quite jerky in parking lots before.
http://www.cvoharley.com/smf/index.php?topic=25109.0
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Hey there,
Just curious what an Isolated drive System is? Sorry if I am an idiot... Not very technical as you can tell. Just like to ride..
Thanks... Brett
The Isolated Drive System (http://www.harley-davidson.com/gma/gma_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=845524448771266&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302291043&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302291043&bmUID=1217456256943&bmLocale=en_US[/url) became standard on the '08's. It is a must have for your bike.
Isolated Drive System Sprocket Kit
Introduced on the '08 Touring models, the Isolated Drive System improves rider comfort and ride quality by dampening the mechanical noise and vibration caused by the engine's torque pulses. The rubber compensation elements in the sprocket act like a cushion, absorbing the power pulses from the engine. With the IDS installed, the motorcycle feels more refined, and is quieter while accelerating, shifting and cruising. Kit includes sprocket, compensator bowl, and installation hardware.
40287-07
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Got it, love it, get it! Don't listen to Howie, he's just upset that he spent all that money on the engine and now Binx won't let him spend any more money on his SERK. ::) :P :huepfenlol2:
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Got it, love it, get it! Don't listen to Howie, he's just upset that he spent all that money on the engine and now Binx won't let him spend any more money on his SERK. ::) :P :huepfenlol2:
:devil:
HeHe!!! Not so Charlie! I actually bought one after reading all about it on the internet (here)! When I took it out of the box I did this :nixweiss: So there it sits, still in the box. I've no desire to smooth out this bike any further. It rides like a dream already and wouldn't want it to morph into a GW! :P ;D ;D ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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HeHe!!! Not so Charlie! I actually bought one after reading all about it on the internet (here)! When I took it out of the box I did this :nixweiss: So there it sits, still in the box. I've no desire to smooth out this bike any further. It rides like a dream already and wouldn't want it to morph into a GW! :P ;D ;D ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
Howie, if there's one thing in life I'm certain of, no bike you ever own will morph into a GW! ;) :D The only bad thing about the cush drive is that it's butt ugly. But beings it's covered by hard bags on both of my rides, I don't mind. :nixweiss:
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Howie, if there's one thing in life I'm certain of, no bike you ever own will morph into a GW! ;) :D The only bad thing about the cush drive is that it's butt ugly. But beings it's covered by hard bags on both of my rides, I don't mind. :nixweiss:
:devil:
Why thanks Charlie, I resemble that remark. :2vrolijk_21:
Ya'll know I'm just breakin em as usual, right? ::) ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
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We'll see how long those little rubber thingies last....I bet 10k before you git chunks of em floppin out.
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We'll see how long those little rubber thingies last....I bet 10k before you git chunks of em floppin out.
It's still in the box Mike (and stayin there) and the damn rubbers are everywhere! :nixweiss: ;D ;D ;D
Hoist! 8)
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I'm kinda siding with Hoist on this one guys.....I don't need no stinkin' Isolated Drive System if it's gonna disquise my 'torque pulses'......hell, I paid a lot of good money to get 'em and I sure want to feel 'em. 8) har! :drink: spyder
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I rode Kevin Davis' 2008 with the IDS on it and the fly by wire throttle and that puppy was S-M-O-O-T-H!!! I could have kept on riding that stock puppy right back up to CHL. Thats the only thing that got me to thinking about the 09's.
Another thing, he bought a replacement exhaust pipe for the rear cylinder pipe. It's coated with some heat resistant material. HD sells it. Go figure. I wonder if the 09's will come stock with that on both pipes? Also, I'm wondering if the change in color on the engine block is some typ of heat resistant paint?
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I rode Kevin Davis' 2008 with the IDS on it and the fly by wire throttle and that puppy was S-M-O-O-T-H!!! I could have kept on riding that stock puppy right back up to CHL. Thats the only thing that got me to thinking about the 09's.
Another thing, he bought a replacement exhaust pipe for the rear cylinder pipe. It's coated with some heat resistant material. HD sells it. Go figure. I wonder if the 09's will come stock with that on both pipes? Also, I'm wondering if the change in color on the engine block is some typ of heat resistant paint?
The pipes would have to be coated on the inside wouldn't they? And I don't think we want a engine coating that's gonna keep heat inside. ??? spyder
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The pipes would have to be coated on the inside wouldn't they? And I don't think we want a engine coating that's gonna keep heat inside. ??? spyder
The entire pipe is coated on the outside, not sure about the inside. As far as the block goes, very good point, but who knows??
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HeHe!!! Not so Charlie! I actually bought one after reading all about it on the internet (here)! When I took it out of the box I did this :nixweiss: So there it sits, still in the box. I've no desire to smooth out this bike any further. It rides like a dream already and wouldn't want it to morph into a GW! :P ;D ;D ;D ;)
Hoist! 8)
No need to be afraid, it won't become a GW. It will just run better, even if that seems not possible. I had it installed when it became available, and it is the best add-on for the money for any '07.
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Don't know if this has been posted yet.. 2009 HD Tech Bulliten
http://www.box.net/shared/m94t1k2s4s
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Don't know if this has been posted yet.. 2009 HD Tech Bulliten
http://www.box.net/shared/m94t1k2s4s
I hadn't seen that. Thanks for the post.
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Don't know if this has been posted yet.. 2009 HD Tech Bulliten
http://www.box.net/shared/m94t1k2s4s
Ya that was cool, THANKS ;)
Bogs