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CVO Technical => General CVO discussion => Topic started by: michaelbmenaker on July 10, 2013, 03:16:25 PM
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15,000 mile service today on my '10 SESG. Tech noticed leaking around the stator plug. Covered by the ESP, $400++ without. Glad to have the extended coverage. It's not just dollars and cents, it's the no hassle factor too.
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15,000 mile service today on my '10 SESG. Tech noticed leaking around the stator plug. Covered by the ESP, $400++ without. Glad to have the extended coverage. It's not just dollars and cents, it's the no hassle factor too.
Nice thing too is that they upgraded the plug with an extra O-ring in 2011, so you'll get the new part.
FWIW, I love my ESP.
Sent from my iPad, probably while I'm pooping.
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I'd be more impressed if you had the ESP and only had to pay a $50 deductible for a complete engine failure. Considering the price for an ESP, if this is your first ESP repair you still have a long way to go before you break even. As for the hassle factor, I guess I don't understand that. To me the biggest hassle is the lack of reliability and the necessity to make repairs, not whether I have to pay $50 or the full repair price.
JMHO - Jerry
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Jerry, the ESP did just that for us, twice!
They replaced the motor in my wife's 09 Street Glide and six months later on my 10 SESG they covered the complete rebuild due to scissored flywheels. Since I had it at an indy shop, I paid to have the flywheels pinned and welded and balanced out of my pocket but the rest of the labor and parts were covered.
The ESP on my last three baggers....and my wife's.....all four bikes paid for theirselves and then some on each of the bikes. However, we did put a lot of miles on them. For somebody that puts 5k to 7k miles a year it may not be cost effective. Then again, at the failure rate that these bikes have.....it may be money well spent if you only put 3k miles a year on the clock.
And like Michael said.....when you're riding cross country and out in the middle of timbuctoo....it sure is a piece of mind.
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Just got my 1000 mile service done a month or so ago. I was browsing the parts and shooting the sheet, the service writer walked up to me and said "Well your ESP just got a little cheaper, you got a nail in your rear tire." Replaced under tire and wheel coverage. So I still got a long way to get even, and honestly I don't want to. Anyway, glad I had no out of pocket expense at the time.
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I have ESP too. better safe than sorry
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Not an ESP user.
My wife's 09 Heritage has had one failure in 91,000 miles. The Stator went out with 51K on the bike. New service writer came out, looked at it wrote down the Mileage, and in about ten minutes said this repair will be costly, you ready to hear the price, My reply was nope, it's under warranty for two more weeks. The look on his face was priceless, and he says to me you put 51K on in less than two years, and I replied, nope, I never ride this bike, its my wife's!
She still has and rides the Heritage, but we just traded her 18 month old street glide with 38,650 miles on it for a 13 street glide in April. She will have 10K on it when she gets home from Bend Oregon Monday.
I guess we are very lucky, but so far with the exception of my fatboy all my big repairs have been in the 2 year warranty.
I will say the lifters failed on My 09 CVO two weeks after I traded it, with 44K on it.
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My SESG has the ESP from the previous owner. Harley transferred it over to me. I had it on my last bike and have it on this one until 2015. Glad to have the piece of mind. I was wondering if you can extend the ESP when it runs out?
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My SESG has the ESP from the previous owner. Harley transferred it over to me. I had it on my last bike and have it on this one until 2015. Glad to have the piece of mind. I was wondering if you can extend the ESP when it runs out?
That option has become available recently... Just before mine was about to run out I received a letter (can't remember if it was from dealer or ESP company) stating I could bring my bike back in before the original ESP ran out and renew it. However there is a mileage restriction (no more than XX,XXX miles) on the bike that has to be met.
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Fired00d
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That option has become available recently... Just before mine was about to run out I received a letter (can't remember if it was from dealer or ESP company) stating I could bring my bike back in before the original ESP ran out and renew it. However there is a mileage restriction (no more than XX,XXX miles) on the bike that has to be met.
I believe 75,000 miles is the limit.
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That option has become available recently... Just before mine was about to run out I received a letter (can't remember if it was from dealer or ESP company) stating I could bring my bike back in before the original ESP ran out and renew it. However there is a mileage restriction (no more than XX,XXX miles) on the bike that has to be met.
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Thanks. Good to know. I heard someone mention they had extended their plan but had not heard of it before.
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i was just speaking with someone the other day about this. you can renew your esp, but only if your bike is less than 12 years old, and has less than 75,000 miles on it. he explained to me the best way to do it would be to take the 7 yr on a new bike (2 year factory + 5 yr extended), then when that expires, take the 4 year extension. that will take you out to 11 years, 1 day. then take the 5 year extended again. that will take you out to 16 years.
he explained the reason to take the 4 year the second time around is that technically if you took the 5 year, you would be renewing it at 12 years, and 1 day. 1 day beyond the renewal point.
now of course, the 75,000 mile limit applies at your renewal points.
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I have ESP too. better safe than sorry
I make my living as an insurance adjuster for property damage. Weekly I see people who bought the cheapest insurance one can have on a home or condominium. Weekly I hear those same people complain that either they did not choose coverage properly or they were not told by their agents what the policy included or excluded. Others were advided and still gambled on the cheaper plan.
I learned quickly that no one wants to pay for insurance....Until it is needed, then the $ saving idea is out the window. We may pay for the ESP on 3 bikes and never use it. It will be that 4th bike that we do not buy it on that the engine craps out a week after the factory warranty is up!!!
Piece of mind is priceless no matter the poor odds, IMHO
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Piece of mind is priceless no matter the poor odds, IMHO
Been paying the extra $125 a year for four years for flood damage insurance on a rental property in Penticton, BC.........as luck would have it, it flooded! Bill's gonna be over $20k whens all's said and done.....including lost revenue. Makes the extra $125 seen like a mere pittance!
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Been paying the extra $125 a year for four years for flood damage insurance on a rental property in Penticton, BC.........as luck would have it, it flooded! Bill's gonna be over $20k whens all's said and done.....including lost revenue. Makes the extra $125 seen like a mere pittance!
That is cheap and good coverage....USA flood program is run by the Government, not to get into a political conversation, but FEMA (Government entity that runs the flood program) allows 2 fans and 1 dehumidifier for 1,200 SF of living space, that is all they will pay for. that is not enough to dry out a 3' X5' closet! They also only pay for damaged contents at ACV (Actual cash value) That means the depreciate all content items. So you get pennies on the dollar for a 5 year old couch.Oh, and my flood insurance costs me $1,200 a year as my property elevation is 2" below the flood plane in my neighborhood!!!!
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I make my living as an insurance adjuster for property damage. Weekly I see people who bought the cheapest insurance one can have on a home or condominium. Weekly I hear those same people complain that either they did not choose coverage properly or they were not told by their agents what the policy included or excluded. Others were advided and still gambled on the cheaper plan.
I learned quickly that no one wants to pay for insurance....Until it is needed, then the $ saving idea is out the window. We may pay for the ESP on 3 bikes and never use it. It will be that 4th bike that we do not buy it on that the engine craps out a week after the factory warranty is up!!!
Piece of mind is priceless no matter the poor odds, IMHO
Simple math tends to screw up your example Glenn. Three ESP's on a Touring model would add up to more than $6k in "premiums", or more than enough to buy a brand new crate engine for that fourth bike. Now consider the opportunity cost involved in all those "premiums" for the ESP's on the earlier bikes. Even in the current economy, $6k invested in something that provides an actual return beats the daylights out of just padding the pockets of H-D, the dealer, and the ESP folks.
I still don't get the piece of mind comments. Unless anyone plans to have the entire bike fail completely (and don't forget, the ESP doesn't cover many items), there is a practical ceiling to any out-of-pocket repair costs. If someone can afford a $40k motorcycle plus another $3k or more for mods, I assume they can also afford a $3k-$5k repair bill. It's not quite the same thing as not carrying insurance on a $400k home and having it burn to the ground.
Jerry
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Simple math tends to screw up your example Glenn. Three ESP's on a Touring model would add up to more than $6k in "premiums", or more than enough to buy a brand new crate engine for that fourth bike. Now consider the opportunity cost involved in all those "premiums" for the ESP's on the earlier bikes. Even in the current economy, $6k invested in something that provides an actual return beats the daylights out of just padding the pockets of H-D, the dealer, and the ESP folks.
I still don't get the piece of mind comments. Unless anyone plans to have the entire bike fail completely (and don't forget, the ESP doesn't cover many items), there is a practical ceiling to any out-of-pocket repair costs. If someone can afford a $40k motorcycle plus another $3k or more for mods, I assume they can also afford a $3k-$5k repair bill. It's not quite the same thing as not carrying insurance on a $400k home and having it burn to the ground.
Jerry
Jerry,
I guess the greater portion of us (me included) can not and do not save that money for an event that may happen. The piece of mind comes from paying a bit of money a month as my HD dealer allowed me to do (18 months interest free) and that way if my motor fails, or another large part fails, we have paid for it in advance, sort of. I agree the math works against this theory, but it is almost like having a forced savings plan for the bike.
Use your home as an example, it is a much larger scale, but it would not be wise if you were allowed, to not have property insurance and pay out of pocket if the home burns to the ground, it would be most unlikely that one could come up with the money to rebuild a house out of pocket. I think most of us feel we are in the same position with having to come out of pocket with $6K for an engine. That I believe is the piece of mind we refer to.
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I believe everyone responding to this post has been on the this forum for awhile. That being said if you have a CVO (110 engine) you will be replacing an engine every 30-50k miles. I have read at least a half dozen posts with that outcome. My experience is just that, one engine replaced at 10k and the other replaced at 30k, both 2011 SESG. It is going to happen again. Is the ESP worth it no, maybe, yes, who knows. The way I look at it one engine pays for the 1/3 of the ESP.
Also, the ESP is the "secret handshake" at the dealers. You take the bike in, they check on the computer and you get the bike back in a few weeks. They just take care of it. No phone calls, oh, by the way we recommend while we are in there this item needs to be replaced. Just my $.02
David
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A 7 year ESP with tire & wheel coverage costs $1850, or roughly $22 a month for the entirety of the coverage (if you paid it that way, which you don't). Put that money in a savings account making 2% interest and you'll have $2010 at the end of that 7 years. Not really that much of a gain.
On the other hand, let's say you get a nail in a tire. Your actual cost is now $400 less. I get nails in my tires a lot, given my occupation (my last ESP paid for itself in less than 2 years on tires alone). Let's say that nail in the tire happens at 10pm on a Saturday night when you're 1,000 miles from home. Now that ESP is covering your tow, the tire, and your motel for the night. Stator goes out? $50. Crank shifts? $50. Lifters give up the ghost? $50. Stereo dies? $50.
The ESP is easily justified by having a couple of flats and one major parts failure. If you ride a lot, and a lot of your rides are away from home (where all your tools are), it's easy to see how it's a great deal for the rider. Seriously, $22/month to cover just about everything (including my lodging) when I average 2,200 miles a month? No way I can lose on that deal.
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I believe 75,000 miles is the limit.
75,000 it is. I know this b/c the dealer told me I should trade in my '04 Road King when I was looking for my '11 SERGU before it had 75K on it (it had 68K) b/c they can not get a warranty for a re sale if the mileage is over 75L, so that makes sense.
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75,000 it is. I know this b/c the dealer told me I should trade in my '04 Road King when I was looking for my '11 SERGU before it had 75K on it (it had 68K) b/c they can not get a warranty for a re sale if the mileage is over 75L, so that makes sense.
75,000 miles, or 12 years. there is a way to get up to 16 years of coverage. when you buy the bike, go with the 7 year plan, then the 4 year plan. when you do that, the new plan would start at 11 years, 1 day. then you go with another 5 year plan. you can't get the 5 year the second time around because you would be one day past the 12 year mark. now of course, if your mileage is high enough that you're gonna bust the 75,000 before the 11 year mark, then of course you'd be better off going with the 5 year the second time around, which would give you an extra year of coverage.
or you could just throw caution to the wind and put that s&s crate motor in there and not worry about it :D
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I have never purchased an ESP on the 5 new bikes that I bought. So far other than 1 stator I have had no problems after the factory warranty ran out. But since joining this forum I am scared chitless that this new bike, the most expensive one to date, is going to leave me stranded one day.
How many 110's were sold in 2013? By reading on here one would think that everyone one of them has blown up! Mine has 22K on it and has been a very good engine and bike.
Can you purchase an ESP for less than the 5 year extension? I do not plan on keeping this bike for more than 4 or 5 years at most so I see no sense in paying for a 5 year plan or 7 if you will with the 2 year factory warranty. Plus at my rate I will surpass 75,000 miles in 4 years.
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Simple math tends to screw up your example Glenn. Three ESP's on a Touring model would add up to more than $6k in "premiums", or more than enough to buy a brand new crate engine for that fourth bike. Now consider the opportunity cost involved in all those "premiums" for the ESP's on the earlier bikes. Even in the current economy, $6k invested in something that provides an actual return beats the daylights out of just padding the pockets of H-D, the dealer, and the ESP folks.
I still don't get the piece of mind comments. Unless anyone plans to have the entire bike fail completely (and don't forget, the ESP doesn't cover many items), there is a practical ceiling to any out-of-pocket repair costs. If someone can afford a $40k motorcycle plus another $3k or more for mods, I assume they can also afford a $3k-$5k repair bill. It's not quite the same thing as not carrying insurance on a $400k home and having it burn to the ground.
Jerry
3K in mods???? Maybe in the 70's. Other than that I agree with your logic...have never bought a ESP
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Can you purchase an ESP for less than the 5 year extension? I do not plan on keeping this bike for more than 4 or 5 years at most so I see no sense in paying for a 5 year plan or 7 if you will with the 2 year factory warranty. Plus at my rate I will surpass 75,000 miles in 4 years.
yes, i believe you can go as low as 2 years.
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Have had ESP on 3 Harleys. Most I paid was about $1700. On the first 2 bikes was a few hundred "ahead" on my RK & almost $2k "ahead" on my 07 SEULTRA. On my 10 SEULTRA have about $700 to go to the break even point. Considering multiple compensator issues already it is very likely will be at the least a few hundred ahead on the 10.
Items replaced - not a complete list & some were multiple times same bike - shocks, starters, voltage regulators, compensators, lifters, oil leaks (all bikes, multiples on all), electrical issues, tour pack, bearings, rotors, radio....I could go on but the jist of it is - some bikes will nickel & dime you well past the ESP $$s, no engine failure required. Other bikes - not mine unfortunately - have had fewer repairs. It's an individual decision to buy ESP or not. For me, on a Harley, it's a no brainer.
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I have personally come to the conclusion if I have to buy a ESP because I know I am going to need it.
Than I had better rethink as why I am spending my money purchasing that product in the first place. :nixweiss:
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I have personally come to the conclusion if I have to buy a ESP because I know I am going to need it.
Than I had better rethink as why I am spending my money purchasing that product in the first place. :nixweiss:
Bingo!
LC110 has it figured out!
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SBB
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I have personally come to the conclusion if I have to buy a ESP because I know I am going to need it.
Than I had better rethink as why I am spending my money purchasing that product in the first place. :nixweiss:
Apparently it's because they all have "soul", WETFTI?
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I have personally come to the conclusion if I have to buy a ESP because I know I am going to need it.
Than I had better rethink as why I am spending my money purchasing that product in the first place. :nixweiss:
We have a winner for best quote of the day. Give that man a kewpie doll.....
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I have personally come to the conclusion if I have to buy a ESP because I know I am going to need it.
Than I had better rethink as why I am spending my money purchasing that product in the first place. :nixweiss:
And that is exactly why I am considering an Indian or a Victory or a Gold Wing for my next new bike!
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And that is exactly why I am considering an Indian or a Victory or a Gold Wing for my next new bike!
X2
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I have personally come to the conclusion if I have to buy a ESP because I know I am going to need it.
Than I had better rethink as why I am spending my money purchasing that product in the first place. :nixweiss:
:2vrolijk_21: Well, that's at least two of us now that have that opinion.
Since I'm officially older than dirt now, I shouldn't be amazed anymore by the things people say to justify why they do dumb things. But I swear I can't follow the supposed logic of not only paying a higher price for a lesser product up front, but then paying another couple grand on top of that for "peace of mind" because that lesser product has the reliability of a Yugo. The idiots who bought Yugo's learned their lesson and stopped buying that crap, which eventually lead to no more POS Yugo's. On the other hand, we have the people who have admitted owning several Harley's that have had numerous failures both in and out of warranty, and they keep going back for more. I'm sorry, but no matter how much I might like the "style" (I'm not buying into the "soul" crap) of a product, I'm not going to continually let the seller of that product sell me an overpriced low quality POS. The only possible exception would be if the person selling it to me was a really hot supermodel.
Jerry
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:2vrolijk_21: Well, that's at least two of us now that have that opinion.
Since I'm officially older than dirt now, I shouldn't be amazed anymore by the things people say to justify why they do dumb things. But I swear I can't follow the supposed logic of not only paying a higher price for a lesser product up front, but then paying another couple grand on top of that for "peace of mind" because that lesser product has the reliability of a Yugo. The idiots who bought Yugo's learned their lesson and stopped buying that crap, which eventually lead to no more POS Yugo's. On the other hand, we have the people who have admitted owning several Harley's that have had numerous failures both in and out of warranty, and they keep going back for more. I'm sorry, but no matter how much I might like the "style" (I'm not buying into the "soul" crap) of a product, I'm not going to continually let the seller of that product sell me an overpriced low quality POS. The only possible exception would be if the person selling it to me was a really hot supermodel.
Jerry
Hmmmm.... wouldn't that be trading off one "high maintenance ride" for another? Just sayin'. :D :D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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Hmmmm.... wouldn't that be trading off one "high maintenance ride" for another? Just sayin'. :D :D :D
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Fired00d
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And just how long have you been saving up that thought for just the right reply? ::)
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And just how long have you been saving up that thought for just the right reply? ::)
It was just to easy... it fit and was appropriate. :D :D :D
Like many guys I've test rode one of those "high maintenance" rides only to find out the "upkeep" was more than the "ride" was worth :( and it didn't come w/an ESP. :D :D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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It was just to easy... it fit and was appropriate. :D :D :D
Like many guys I've test rode one of those "high maintenance" rides only to find out the "upkeep" was more than the "ride" was worth :( and it didn't come w/an ESP. :D :D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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.................Yup!
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It was just to easy... it fit and was appropriate. :D :D :D
Like many guys I've test rode one of those "high maintenance" rides only to find out the "upkeep" was more than the "ride" was worth :( and it didn't come w/an ESP. :D :D :D
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Ride Safe,
Fired00d
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That's why I was more than happy to pay to be relieved of mine.
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The ESP dabate again. Reminds me of the "which oil is better" threads. Common sense tells us this type plan would not be offered if the seller paid out more than they collect in premiums. So, no matter how many anecdotal examples that are posted, the reality is that ESPs are advantageous to the seller, not the buyers.
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The ESP dabate again. Reminds me of the "which oil is better" threads. Common sense tells us this type plan would not be offered if the seller paid out more than they collect in premiums. So, no matter how many anecdotal examples that are posted, the reality is that ESPs are advantageous to the seller, not the buyers.
If you ride the bike more than 12k a year then I would say that the advantage is to the buyer not the seller....(it a harley and if you ride it...it will break).
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I'm starting to think the dealers around here double dip on the ESP's. They tell the owner its not covered because of xyz, so the owner pays and I just wonder if the ESP gets a bill too.
Only way to make the ESP really pay everytime is to leave the bike totally stock and who does that? Cams, tuner, forget about getting a new engine under an ESP.
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I'm starting to think the dealers around here double dip on the ESP's. They tell the owner its not covered because of xyz, so the owner pays and I just wonder if the ESP gets a bill too.
Only way to make the ESP really pay everytime is to leave the bike totally stock and who does that? Cams, tuner, forget about getting a new engine under an ESP.
Thats warranty/insurance fraud. If true service mgr and GM if caught would become a large mans Mrs...
Kinda where the term "felony stupid" comes from.
Probably not doing that but we do have the largest prison per capita population in the world..
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Manufacturers love to sell ESP. I have read the whole thread, I think that ESP might be a good value for resell purpose. Might be easier to sell the bike if still under warranty.
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I have never purchased an ESP on the 5 new bikes that I bought. So far other than 1 stator I have had no problems after the factory warranty ran out. But since joining this forum I am scared chitless that this new bike, the most expensive one to date, is going to leave me stranded one day.
How many 110's were sold in 2013? By reading on here one would think that everyone one of them has blown up! Mine has 22K on it and has been a very good engine and bike.
I have had two failed 110 motor bikes now. First failed the day after I traded it, with 46K miles on it, it was just over two years old an 09 SERG. The second failed 300 mies from home, on my first day of vacation headed to Bikes Blues and BBQ. It was a 2015 SERGU with 43K on it, 2 years and 12 days old. My 12 SERG had no issues when I traded it with 45K at 2.5 years old.
In 15 I was out in OR with some friends on our bikes. My buddies 2014 CVO Limited lifters failed over 2300 miles from home.
I know another 15 SERGU that had a motor replaced before 35K miles and 2 years of age.
Both my bikes were very good bikes. Loved them, trouble free until the lifters failed.
I have never had an ESP
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Well, I have to toss my opinion in here. I ride my motorcycle, not as much as some but more than others. I have a 2009 FLTRSE3 which had a catastrophic engine failure with 83,696 miles on it w/ SEPRT, D and D Fat Cat 2 into 1 Exhaust. The damage was so bad it needed engine cases which means VIN stamping to go along with the engine rebuild. I extended the ESP w/ tire and wheel for 1899. for 3 years, 6 months earlier because, unlike others on this site I don't have the money to buy another bike and want to continue to ride.
The initial ESP cost when the motorcycle was purchased paid for itself in tires and minor repairs; the extended (3 year) ESP covered itself by $4440. since the bill for motor rebuild was $6389. and I still have 29 months of coverage. Also, I received a tire in Arizona under the ESP for $50.
If this is throwing money away, I need what I consider more things like this to throw money away at, because I consider anything with a return like this an investment; and this investment went quite well. Just my opinion from my pre judged and lived experience.
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Well, I have to toss my opinion in here. I ride my motorcycle, not as much as some but more than others. I have a 2009 FLTRSE3 which had a catastrophic engine failure with 83,696 miles on it w/ SEPRT, D and D Fat Cat 2 into 1 Exhaust. The damage was so bad it needed engine cases which means VIN stamping to go along with the engine rebuild. I extended the ESP w/ tire and wheel for 1899. for 3 years, 6 months earlier because, unlike others on this site I don't have the money to buy another bike and want to continue to ride.
The initial ESP cost when the motorcycle was purchased paid for itself in tires and minor repairs; the extended (3 year) ESP covered itself by $4440. since the bill for motor rebuild was $6389. and I still have 29 months of coverage. Also, I received a tire in Arizona under the ESP for $50.
If this is throwing money away, I need what I consider more things like this to throw money away at, because I consider anything with a return like this an investment; and this investment went quite well. Just my opinion from my pre judged and lived experience.
I agree. ESP has more than paid for itself on my '07 and my '12 CVOs with the 110 motor. I never buy them for any other product but imo they are a must for H-Ds if you plan to ride and keep them beyond the factory warranty.
BTW there is no deductible for Wheel & Tire - unless H-D has changed the contract since I bought the one for my '12.
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Buying the ESP is Bet
The buyer is betting that his Harley is going to need mechanical repairs during the life of the policy.
The seller is betting the there won't be any needed repairs. (plus statically, most bikes are note ridden over 2k/year)
If you put the miles on....odds are it will break
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Buying the ESP is Bet
The buyer is betting that his Harley is going to need mechanical repairs during the life of the policy.
The seller is betting the there won't be any needed repairs. (plus statically, most bikes are note ridden over 2k/year)
If you put the miles on....odds are it will break
Well actually it is not a bet. A bet or a wager is something that creates a risk where none previously existed - the risk of losing or winning. Your Harley will need a repair at some point that you will have to pay if you keep it beyond the factory warranty and the risk is there from the minute your factory warranty expires. So the questions is: how much of that risk are you willing to assume and how much, if any, do you want to lay off to the ESP provider?
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BTW there is no deductible for Wheel & Tire - unless H-D has changed the contract since I bought the one for my '12.
I think it was September of last year that they added the deductible to wheel and tire coverage. if you had already purchased your esp by then, then you would have no ded. but, come renewal time....
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I think it was September of last year that they added the deductible to wheel and tire coverage. if you had already purchased your esp by then, then you would have no ded. but, come renewal time....
Bummer. They're always looking for ways to separate you from your $$$$. :huepfenlol2:
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Bummer. They're always looking for ways to separate you from your $$$$. :huepfenlol2:
When you go through engines as often as tires you're still money ahead Jerry ;D .
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Went through the paperwork I paid $1887. for the 5 years of Extended Warranty for a total of 7 years; minus 3 months, minus $86. = $1801.
In that time I received:
Starter
Compensator
Shift Shaft Seal
Grip Sensor
Oil Cooler Adapter Assy
Stator
8 Tires
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When you go through engines as often as tires you're still money ahead Jerry ;D .
True that. But it's a darn sorry way to beat the odds. :'(
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Buying the ESP is Bet
The buyer is betting that his Harley is going to need mechanical repairs during the life of the policy.
The seller is betting the there won't be any needed repairs. (plus statically, most bikes are note ridden over 2k/year)
If you put the miles on....odds are it will break
CAT a little gaming went into my decision to purchase the second ESP, however, unlike many I consider it an investment, especially if you own a Harley. I have a motorcycle with 74,000 plus miles on it with the original ESP terminating within 6 months; I have never had any motor trouble with my 2009 FLTRSE3, odds are I will have some sort of motor issue(s) within the next three years or 100,000 miles so I purchased the 3 year ESP with Tire and Wheel for $1899. when the motorcycle reach 74995 miles. I had to cancel the original ESP which still had 3 months remaining on it (Harley sent me a check for $86.).As previously stated the motorcycle suffered a catastrophic engine failure at 83,696 miles which cost in excess of $6300. to repair.
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Went through the paperwork I paid $1887. for the 5 years of Extended Warranty for a total of 7 years; minus 3 months, minus $86. = $1801.
In that time I received:
Starter
Compensator
Shift Shaft Seal
Grip Sensor
Oil Cooler Adapter Assy
Stator
8 Tires
WOW....8 tires... :'( :'( :'(...what kind of roads are you riding on?
The ESP w/tire protection worked out great for you....were there any tows involved also?
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CAT a little gaming went into my decision to purchase the second ESP, however, unlike many I consider it an investment, especially if you own a Harley. I have a motorcycle with 74,000 plus miles on it with the original ESP terminating within 6 months; I have never had any motor trouble with my 2009 FLTRSE3, odds are I will have some sort of motor issue(s) within the next three years or 100,000 miles so I purchased the 3 year ESP with Tire and Wheel for $1899. when the motorcycle reach 74995 miles. I had to cancel the original ESP which still had 3 months remaining on it (Harley sent me a check for $86.).As previously stated the motorcycle suffered a catastrophic engine failure at 83,696 miles which cost in excess of $6300. to repair.
Good move!!
The only thing I dislike about the ESP is that it needs to break before you can make a claim....which discourage the replacement of worn parts.....I had a oil pump that was becoming weak and I felt that it should be replaced....ESP said that it was still OK....we all know what happens when the oil pump fails. Then there the classic tic from the probable lifter failure which will grenadine the engine.
But like I said before....if you put the miles on get the ESP...ride the hell out of it and have fun.....just make sure you have the roadside assistance numbers handy and only make hotel reservations that you can cancel before 4pm on the day of your arrival.
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Good move!!
The only thing I dislike about the ESP is that it needs to break before you can make a claim....which discourage the replacement of worn parts.....I had a oil pump that was becoming weak and I felt that it should be replaced....ESP said that it was still OK....we all know what happens when the oil pump fails. Then there the classic tic from the probable lifter failure which will grenadine the engine.
But like I said before....if you put the miles on get the ESP...ride the hell out of it and have fun.....just make sure you have the roadside assistance numbers handy and only make hotel reservations that you can cancel before 4pm on the day of your arrival.
I understand the dislikes believe me, the so called tradesmen out here ride around with boxes of nails on their trucks unsecured and the nails are on the road and or highway. When they rebuilt my motor they put in the Screamin Eagle Cam Plate with Oil Pump the oil pressure is way up there now compared to the stock oil pump and it was covered by ESP.
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Im shopping now
Any input good vs bad
Cornerstone United
Zurich
HD
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Anybody got a guy/gal?
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Im shopping now
Any input good vs bad
Cornerstone United
Zurich
HD
???
Anybody got a guy/gal?
While shopping, know that the HD ESP can only be purchased in the state the bike is registered in; in my case I wanted tire and wheel coverage included; see how much the deductible is if any; do you have to use a HD Dealer for service or not, there are pros and cons to that with regard to parts availability and parts being shipped from HD;and of course the cost. Do your homework with all that want your money. I have the HD ESP, not saying it's the best option but after the motor imploded and ESP paid over $6300. glad I had it.
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While shopping, know that the HD ESP can only be purchased in the state the bike is registered in; in my case I wanted tire and wheel coverage; see how much the deductible is if any; do you have to use a HD Dealer for service or not, there are pros and cons to that with regard to parts availability and parts being shipped from HD;and of course the cost. Do your homework with all that want your money. I have the HD ESP, not saying it's the best option but after the motor imploded and ESP paid over $6300. glad I had it.
I too am darn glad I had ESP to replace/rebuild the motors on my '07 and my '12 to the tune of $5k++. They were H-D versions of the ESP. On my 2017 CVO Limited I just purchased the Cornerstone Wheel & Tire for $325 for six years with no deductible. Can't beat that price for sure. I'll decide on the mechanical ESP later as I have 34 months of factory warranty remaining. If I do purchase and ESP I am almost certain it will be Cornerstone because of the significant savings. :2vrolijk_21:
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Im shopping now
Any input good vs bad
Cornerstone United
Zurich
HD
???
Anybody got a guy/gal?
Compare hotel coverage if you break down somewhere. That's what sent me back to the standard HD ESP over the Cornerstone one. A couple nights in a hotel and any savings are washed down the pipe.
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Right On
Thanks
Air B & B for bikers only would be great
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I too am darn glad I had ESP to replace/rebuild the motors on my '07 and my '12 to the tune of $5k++. They were H-D versions of the ESP. On my 2017 CVO Limited I just purchased the Cornerstone Wheel & Tire for $325 for six years with no deductible. Can't beat that price for sure. I'll decide on the mechanical ESP later as I have 34 months of factory warranty remaining. If I do purchase and ESP I am almost certain it will be Cornerstone because of the significant savings. :2vrolijk_21:
When did Harley change from a 2 year (24 month) warranty to the longer one you speak of?
Checked the owners manual of my 17 SESG and it only shows a 24 month unlimited milage warranty. Same with my wife's 17 Road Glide Special.
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When did Harley change from a 2 year (24 month) warranty to the longer one you speak of?
Checked the owners manual of my 17 SESG and it only shows a 24 month unlimited milage warranty. Same with my wife's 17 Road Glide Special.
Typo. Thanks!
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Jim (Metal Dragon) is replacing the rear head and base gasket on my bike right now, under the extended warranty. Fortunately, for me, I did not pay for this one. Buying the bike used from private party, the extended service agreement came with it (minus the $50 transfer fee). Two rear tires, a cylinder head and base gasket....gettin pretty close to what ever he may have paid for that extended service agreement. Anything over the next four years will be gain. :2vrolijk_21:
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Do the dealers like doing work under the ESP? Ie: do they make the same money as a cash customer? Are they limited as to what repairs they can make? Or do they have cart blanche to fix it all? And if you have the ESP, do they "find things" that need fixing? Just my crooked ass mind thinking......
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Do the dealers like doing work under the ESP? Ie: do they make the same money as a cash customer? Don't know, probably book rate on labor.
Are they limited as to what repairs they can make? Or do they have cart blanche to fix it all? They fix what is covered. That is limited, some parts are not covered.
And if you have the ESP, do they "find things" that need fixing? Yes
Just my crooked ass mind thinking......
Have had 3 ESPs. All 3 were a good investment, the best one was on my 2007 CVO Ultra. Way ahead on that one, enough to pay for the next one +. On my 02 RK was a few hundred dollars ahead. On my 2010, a few hundred ahead. So far have had nothing turned down that is listed as covered by ESP that needed to be repaired. All repairs with HD parts, HD shops.
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Do the dealers like doing work under the ESP? Ie: do they make the same money as a cash customer? Are they limited as to what repairs they can make? Or do they have cart blanche to fix it all? And if you have the ESP, do they "find things" that need fixing? Just my crooked ass mind thinking......
i have a 2009 CVO Road Glide and I had a inner primary seal leaking oil; the seal was covered under the ESP along with labor and I asked the tech to make sure the compensator was OK, since the original was still in the bike and Harley had come out with a redesign. When the the repair was complete I left with a new compensator and other parts to go along with the seal replacement. I certainly wasn't complaining.
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Do the dealers like doing work under the ESP? Ie: do they make the same money as a cash customer? Are they limited as to what repairs they can make? Or do they have cart blanche to fix it all? And if you have the ESP, do they "find things" that need fixing? Just my crooked ass mind thinking......
From the ESP claims I've had (and they have been many including two motors) ESP pays the full H-D list price for parts and labor. Only thing I do not know is how the labor is calculated - H-D flat rate I would imagine. Now that is a bit lower than my dealer charges at retail as I questioned a service writer several years ago asking did they use the H-D flat rate time. He said yes but they add a 25% increase to what H-D allows. Ouch! I guess that's so they can say their hourly rate is 'only' $91 when in effect it is $91 x 125% or $113.75, and oh yeah don't forget the 5% add on for 'shop supplies' which makes the full rate a total of $119.45 (plus 9.25% sales tax).
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From the ESP claims I've had (and they have been many including two motors) ESP pays the full H-D list price for parts and labor. Only thing I do not know is how the labor is calculated - H-D flat rate I would imagine. Now that is a bit lower than my dealer charges at retail as I questioned a service writer several years ago asking did they use the H-D flat rate time. He said yes but they add a 25% increase to what H-D allows. Ouch! I guess that's so they can say their hourly rate is 'only' $91 when in effect it is $91 x 125% or $113.75, and oh yeah don't forget the 5% add on for 'shop supplies' which makes the full rate a total of $119.45 (plus 9.25% sales tax).
Something to keep in mind about sales tax, they merely collect it for the various goobermint agencies that tell them too. They don't see any profit from sales tax.