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Custom Vehicle Discussions => CVO™ Limited => Topic started by: Boatman on August 13, 2014, 05:45:56 PM
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Chrome tank badge RH side.
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Black tank badge LH side.
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Sad thing is I have had this bike for about 6 weeks and 1200 miles and just noticed it last night when washing/waxing. Normally I wax it a few days after I get something.
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Damn. So much for QC.
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Funny thing is you're 100% correct....... You want to find a flaw just clean and wax it.
Dealer will probably replace the tank.
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WTF!!
So is there a left side tank badge installer and a right side tank badge installer :nixweiss:
that's what makes these babies rare and expensive "limited"
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Back in the '70s a guy I worked with bought a new GMC pick up. He was mighty proud of it but kind of got deflated when someone asked him why the tailgate said Chevrolet! He'd had it for a couple weeks and not noticed it, lol.
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You had me looking! :nervous:
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Black tank badge LH side.
I saw one like this in a dealership on our trip west a few weeks ago. Pointed it out to a salesman. No one had noticed. Left them scratching their heads... (Probably trying to decide if they could use "they're all like that" and get away with it...) ;)
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I am embarassed it took 6 weeks to notice. The assembly person probably only had a few minutes to make the decison to put on. It is of course on the down hill side of the bike.
When I waxed, the rag glided over the chrome emblem and dragged on the black emblem, thus the looking into it.
Back in March, at the same dealer I saw a std Limited with the LH tank badge on upside down.
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For all those who have never toured or worked in a modern vehicle assembly plant, I highly recommend adding such a tour to your bucket list.
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread something about a right hand emblem installer and a left hand emblem installer, as if that didn't make sense. Trust me, if those emblems are installed on a moving assembly line it makes perfect sense. In the auto plant I most recently worked in, operators had approximately 40 seconds to perform the several tasks they were assigned on each vehicle as it passed by at more than 70 units per hour. For both efficiency and safety, we designed jobs to minimize and preferably eliminate having people cross the actual assembly line to perform their tasks. We also spent the time, money, and effort to create special lines where the vehicles traveled sideways so operators could work on the front and rear without having to backpedal away from or chase the vehicles on the regular lines.
I'm not familiar with Harley's current assembly system, but when these things are designed right it isn't difficult to eliminate or nearly eliminate the wrong part problem. In my plant each vehicle had a transponder encoded with all the build info for that serial number, and those transponders were used to provide correct part information to the workers on displays at their workstations. In cases where there were multiple choices due to color and/or option packages that info could also be shared with an automated 'Pick" system. For instance, nameplates that came in several different model designations as well as finish would be loaded to the workstation in individual slots, and when the vehicle came into the workstation the transponder data was read and the correct emblem would be highlighted, usually by a light indicating the correct slot. This took the onus off the assembly worker who had very little time to read an old fashioned build sheet hanging on the vehicle, translate the code, and determine which part corresponded to the model, series, and trim level info he read off that sheet. Now all you had to do was make sure the person loading the parts to the racks put them in the right slots. This was an offline person who had a lot more time than the person on the assembly line.
I used to be grabbed quite often by the tour leaders in my last plant to explain certain things and answer questions when they came to my department. The biggest takeaway I got from all those people was how amazed they were that anything came out of the plant correctly, considering the tens of thousands of parts involved and the speed at which people had to perform their jobs. The systems still aren't perfect of course, but when management makes the effort to design the jobs properly and to poka-yoke (idiot proof for the old timers) the processes to avoid errors rather than detect them after the fact, things don't have to be screwed up and you don't have to depend on inspections and repairmen at the end of the line to produce an accurately built product.
To sum up my longwinded post, please don't automatically blame such things on the guy or gal on the assembly line. Quite often the real cause of the problem can be traced to management not designing the job properly, or management not assigning trained people to the job (temporary part time workers are big in the MoCo's latest labor cost reduction strategy btw). It's not always a lazy or disgruntled worker. Btw, the idea that management is the biggest problem didn't go over all that well with many of my fellow managers back in the day. It took a whole lot of years and changes in management personnel to get to where we are today.
Jerry
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Years ago I worked at a GMC dealer and we would get trucks with different badges that were wrong every once and awhile and was told at the time GMC and Chev trucks roll off the same line and one in four is a GMC, the other three Chev. Don't know if that was true or not but would kind of explain why the mix in badges.
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The plant I worked in right before I retired builds four different models, each with multiple trim levels and option packages, in ten different colors, all on the same assembly line. Without proper job design and error proofing, I'm sure you can imagine what a mess that would be.
Jerry
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You got a one of a kind. I guess you would call that an error bike like they do with coins, except I don't think it will add value.
I agree, the dealer is going to say that's normal like they do with everything else.
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I've toured the York plant back in 2008, when the CVO's were assembled in a different building, and watched the normal assembly line.
The tour we took you saw the line standing still more then it moved. They had more people standing around talking then working!
I guess that's why they may have cut the work in half. I will not defend either side because it takes both sides to work together.
What I, we will say from the tour we took, is "what a waste of labor". Now the group we were with all shuck there heads, and we all agreed
there has got to be a faster and better way to assemble these motorcycles. Bottom line I don't care who is to blame, but pride in your job has to be
in everyone.
I also toured the Corvette plant, and York may have had the line stand still, but the vette plant employees had time to sit down and read the paper between cars!!!
Bottom line, I guess Harleys next area to cut is FINAL INSPECTION! Oh, show me a true Harley owner or employee that doesn't know what goes on each bike.
Just my 2 cents.
Oh, I forgot one other thing, when the RG Ultra came out my dealer had a pretty new Blue one on the floor and I mentioned "so which tire does the model come with"? He asked why, and I said "well you have a Black one on the front, and a Whitewall on the back"! He was totally pissed!!
Tazmun
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Always easier to be an armchair quarterback, than an actual quarterback...
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Always easier to be an armchair quarterback, than an actual quarterback...
Referring to what"?
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My '14 LTD has a nasty scratch under the fork lock. Can only be seen when it is the locked position. And my CVO emblem on the fuel filler is cocked to about 11:30 position. It looks fine on the jiffy stand and probably no one else will ever notice it, but I do, every time I look down there. Maybe if we look hard enough there are flaws in all of them, like boatman says, it's what makes them "limited".
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Mine came with the rear fender medallion cocked to the left at 11 o-clock. Dealer replaced it at first service. chit happens.
Funny, it didn't change the ride any.
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Referring to what"?
People who are not familiar with production factories, saying how production factories should operate.
Not saying that mistakes are acceptable, but if anyone is familiar with them, then it's more easy to understand why mistakes happen.
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People who are not familiar with production factories, saying how production factories should operate.
Not saying that mistakes are acceptable, but if anyone is familiar with them, then it's more easy to understand why mistakes happen.
Well, let me explain my side. I worked 24 years in production both on the floor and in management, and I will again say those who care will do all they can, or advise management for production improvements. I have worked the past 24 years in management with a different company and work totally with product improvements with those on the floor. I work close with the floor personal and I back them 100% when it improves production, and those that don't give a chit get weeded out.
Just saying!
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In a well run, error proffed manufacturing environment stuff just don't happen. And yes, I am very familiar with manufacturing. (And darn skilled at it
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I toured the Saturn assembly line in Springhill TN. It was amazing that there were not more errors. The car line would move and another smaller line that had the interior parts would come down the line with the correct parts that went with that vehicle. Like what Jerry had stated. I was truly amazed.
Todd
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So are you going to leave it Bob?
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My CVO emblem on the fuel filler is also cocked to about 11:30 position on the FLHTKSE :soapbox: The dealer gave me a new emblem, so now I have two as I simply replaced the double sided tape on the misplaced one and re-installed it to the correct angle :huepfenjump3:
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Your salesperson will probably indicate matching tanks emblems is an optional up-charge… Bet they’ll be a lot of folks checking their bikes over in the next few days.
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Sad thing is I have had this bike for about 6 weeks and 1200 miles and just noticed it last night when washing/waxing. Normally I wax it a few days after I get something.
Yes, mine had 3 paint flaws, one electrical connector not connected, one bolt just not there, and - wait for this one, kind of matches yours - one chrome fork leg top cover, and one stainless one! (Took my first waxing to notice that.....)
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So are you going to leave it Bob?
Got it changed last Saturday Duane.
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You had me going out to the garage this AM to check on it! :D I washed and waxed this weekend and didn't notice anything yet. I'll have to do a very detailed once over now.
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Well, let me explain my side. I worked 24 years in production both on the floor and in management, and I will again say those who care will do all they can, or advise management for production improvements. I have worked the past 24 years in management with a different company and work totally with product improvements with those on the floor. I work close with the floor personal and I back them 100% when it improves production, and those that don't give a chit get weeded out.
Just saying!
No I understand what you're saying. I too spent quite a few years in machine production.
It happens, even though it shouldn't. In all honesty, with so many things coming and going in so many different directions, it's surprising more mistakes don't happen sometimes. No plant can accomplish 100% perfection, on every shift, every day.
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No I understand what you're saying. I too spent quite a few years in machine production.
It happens, even though it shouldn't. In all honesty, with so many things coming and going in so many different directions, it's surprising more mistakes don't happen sometimes. No plant can accomplish 100% perfection, on every shift, every day.
Well, Honda figured it out. Our 2002 Honda Accord was recently traded in with 225,000 miles on it for a new Honda Pilot.
In 225,000 miles I changed tires, brakes, windshield wiper blades, 2 headlights, battery and oil. That is absolutely it. Not one single problem!
True "quality control management" eliminates the imbalance of the workforce. Doesn't matter squat if the worker is good or bad. The part/assembly MUST PASS quality control to move on the the customer.
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After touring the remodeled York Plant, I couldn't see how they kept things straight anyway. Coming down the same assembly line would be an assortment of different touring bikes, some destined for Calif, etc. I thought it would be hard to ensure the right part got on the correct bike.
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You have a one of a kind, Limited edition, Limited bike.
WOW!
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You have a one of a kind, Limited edition, Limited bike.
WOW!
Did have, now just a plain ole harley. :cherry: