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CVO Technical => Twin Cam => Topic started by: ImBroke on April 17, 2016, 09:19:33 PM

Title: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: ImBroke on April 17, 2016, 09:19:33 PM
how long before the aftermarket comes out with a higher compression piston for the 117 drop in kit?  9.9 seems a bit soft for any decent cam, 259E included. 
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: HD Street Performance on April 17, 2016, 09:41:57 PM
I have three sets on the way all sold.
CP with coated skirts, 7cc dome, can be trimmed
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: ImBroke on April 17, 2016, 09:48:58 PM
6cc dome should be about 10.5?

Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: HD Street Performance on April 18, 2016, 11:32:36 AM
10.95 with .030hg and 7cc.
That 259e is right at home there.
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: Unbalanced on April 18, 2016, 12:19:42 PM
Might check with Suburban Harley they usually Pistons for many different builds, 110, 113, 120r.    Haven't checked for 117 but couldn't hurt.
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: Yorktown CVO on April 18, 2016, 01:33:43 PM
Little more compression and better cam choice. My HD dealer pushes that 259E cam but i.m not impressed with it. My 255 cam has better torque numbers from what I see. 
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: Yellow09SERG on April 18, 2016, 02:02:48 PM
Suburban Speed does have a 9cc Mahle pistion for the 117. Been trying to find out from them the dome thickness and how much that piston dome could be milled.
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: GMR-PERFORMANCE on April 18, 2016, 02:04:00 PM
You cannot mill the Mahl piston , its how they make it too thin , I mean you can but you are getting under min spec on that piston.
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: Unbalanced on April 18, 2016, 02:23:52 PM
Steve I didn't verify or state you could or couldn't mill them or that they even carried or had them.   However you could ask John Sachs as I believe he has worked with some of their pistons in the past that Mahle produces for Suburban.


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Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: chicoman on April 18, 2016, 03:22:39 PM
I milled my suburban speed mahle 113 pistons, been 2 years and over 10000 miles and still going strong.
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: GMR-PERFORMANCE on April 18, 2016, 03:54:21 PM
I was not saying one way or the other to anyone really.  :2vrolijk_21:

 and I have used the Suburban piston and asked Rick about it as well .. it is thin,... I mean you could maybe take off a tiny amount but nothing to get you to change the comp ratio in a huge way. Easier to run a thicker gasket..

Now I had some made by Mahle, CP and Arias and the only one that I could mill was the CP.. It has to do with the forging process .  Now running right at min spec or even under can be done but I would not want to try it with a 4032 piston. The 2618 sure .. again a shop thing to a guy in his garage ( the DIY guy to be clear)  ,  I have to stand behind it.. so we are not going to push that envelope. What I guy does on his own build is just that " what he does" and just because one guys get away with it ,  does not make it right..  a 4032 piston is brittle compared to 2618.. There is a reason that there are , specs put into place by the piston manufacture..   

Mill the head and face the intake mounting area is how we are doing it , simple as the kit comes with a piston, and its less money..

 
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: johnsachs on April 18, 2016, 07:02:44 PM
FWIW, I've cut down many Mahle piston domes for Ultima, and Harley engines where there's enough dome material WITHOUT any problems. (I do them in house, unlike some shops, so I have complete control).  :nixweiss:
All CVO "wet head" builds I do using Mike Roland's 24 cams get Mahle domed pistons with material removed from the domes.(done 9 of them.. plenty material left).
John
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: cvo1717 on April 18, 2016, 07:25:33 PM
Little more compression and better cam choice. My HD dealer pushes that 259E cam but i.m not impressed with it. My 255 cam has better torque numbers from what I see. 

I went with woods tW-8 cam 10;5;1 comp and the tq is good all over
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: GMR-PERFORMANCE on April 19, 2016, 08:56:36 AM
FWIW, I've cut down many Mahle piston domes for Ultima, and Harley engines where there's enough dome material WITHOUT any problems. (I do them in house, unlike some shops, so I have complete control).  :nixweiss:
All CVO "wet head" builds I do using Mike Roland's 24 cams get Mahle domed pistons with material removed from the domes.(done 9 of them.. plenty material left).
John



Who said anything about a ultima engine . Suburban  speed has the 117& 113  dome from Mahle , made to their spec  , Mahle and Suburban said too thin so if both states the same thing ..   SO to be clear that is the piston you are milling ?? or something else CVO pop up?  ,
  Now I did get to send off a set that had been milled back to Mahle for failure 107 piston that was milled ..  We did not mill them another shop did . But hey that shop does not tune and blamed the failure on improper tune  , detonation to be specific ...  Tune was not great but no signs of ign issue from what we could tell, but auto tune so no idea what happen early on . maybe maybe not  :nixweiss:

as for milling the piston  anyone with a mill can do it , simple measurement , If there is enough thickness then sure no issue ,  mill it , but just because it has a name brand on it does not mean its the same forging

Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: chicoman on April 19, 2016, 02:43:42 PM
I guess then that you should not fly cut if valves touch the piston, anything can be machined within reason, taking a small amount off to lower compression will not hurt, i would rather do it that way and stay with a closer squish. Set mine at 10.2 with 93 cc and if memory is good it was only .040 taken off, left plenty of meat.
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: donk_316 on October 29, 2022, 12:53:19 PM
Anyone find a source for 6-10cc dome pistons for a 117? Suburban doesn’t answer inquiries on their 6.6cc dome pistons.

I want 8-12cc domes if anyone has a source
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: GMR-PERFORMANCE on October 29, 2022, 02:30:49 PM
 you will have to have them custom made . Since covid most places now will not do 2 pistons  its a min count of 4 pistons. Lead times right now are running 8-12 weeks .   Call suburban and ask for Rick in the speed shop  if you want that piston they are always there to answer any question.  Really old post at this point I have no idea I was still able to post up here
Title: Re: pistons for the 117 kit
Post by: brownie4412 on December 02, 2022, 08:18:02 AM
Anyone find a source for 6-10cc dome pistons for a 117? Suburban doesn’t answer inquiries on their 6.6cc dome pistons.

I want 8-12cc domes if anyone has a source

Tman offers them in 5cc or 15cc. Would the 5cc version and playing with gasket thickness get you where you want to be?