Topic: 05 103 vs. 08 110 (Read 6729 times)

08_ScreaminSpringer · « **on:** August 03, 2008, 06:16:53 PM »

Guys i need some info on 2005 103 flhtcse2 I'm looking to buy one. How does the 103 compair to my 08 110? What's the problems of the 103? ( the 110 heads gasket ) Also i have never rode a 5sp i know it's geared lower. Does anyone know the gear specifications of the 5sp.

Here the bike i'm looking at. Has 2,000 miles

Fired00d · « **Reply #1 on:** August 03, 2008, 06:32:01 PM »

Cam chain tensioners will be a concern (some have had problems w/them wearing out some haven't). I switched out to gear drive and have been enjoying mine.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

08_ScreaminSpringer · « **Reply #2 on:** August 03, 2008, 06:49:47 PM »

Thanks! I'm sure i would change the cams the 103 don't have the crank run-out like 110?
I would like to have the 05 because of color and also is not drive by wire.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2008, 07:10:26 PM »

ScreaminSpringer,

Only issues I have had with the 103 is leaks at the pawl / transmission. Great reason to put chrome primaries on at warranties expense. The only other concern dude mentioned and that is the cam tensioners. You can get by that by doing the 07 conversion which will get you a higher flow oil pump and the new tensioners and a quiet running motor or going to a gear drive setup. The 575 cam combo in the 03,04,05 and 06's has been fantastic. Just a little noisy.

I only had a couple of chrome issues with the 05's. The 110 has been a pain in the arse. 5 times I have had the dreaded head leak / base gasket leak and then I had lifters fail as well and destroy my cam chest during bike week last year. If I were doing it all over again .. wait I went back and bought another 05 Cherry. As ole Hubbard would say for me There endeth the Lesson.

Currently I am not a fan of the 110, nor am I am fan of the fly by wire control. If it were me I would look towards to the 05. The only reason I would consider an 09 is the because of the Road Glide, but I doubt I would keep the 110 engine in the bike for very long.

08_ScreaminSpringer · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2008, 07:24:30 PM »

Thanks! For the info i really like this 05 just wanted to know what needed to be fixed ($$$) before i jumped in it like my 08 110.

Also what's a fair price on a bike like this? It's perfect

Unbalanced · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2008, 07:33:27 PM »

I have seen these go for 21500 to 25999. What you have to decide is what it is worth to you, what is it missing if anything, how good of shape the paint is in and such. I would expect you to pay 23 to 26k if it has everything and the paint is in good shape. 26 on the high side and 22 - 23 on the low side.

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2008, 07:56:32 PM »

The 103 is a great motor. Like you were told the cam tennsioners are the only real concern. You will need to check crank run out if you go gear drive. Yes the 103's did have the run out problem also. The hardest thing you can do to that motor is reving the engine and dropping the clutch. THAT WILL HURT THE CRANK in these motors.

Hope this helps. Good luck in your purchase.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

hdbrad03 · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2008, 08:14:40 PM »

Instead of buying a new 09 I decided in March to buy and 04 Pumpkin. Even though I lusted for the Road Glide to be built. I feel I made the right decission. The 103 is a much smoother running bike than the 110. The wife 110 idles really rough and all the trouble with the head gaskets. I feel it was not worth chancing the new 110. I feel the MOCO only hopes they have fixed some of the issues. I think you cannot go wrong with an 05 103 NANA.

Brad

Sean M Cary · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2008, 08:16:24 PM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on August 03, 2008, 07:56:32 PM

The 103 is a great motor. Like you were told the cam tennsioners are the only real concern. You will need to check crank run out if you go gear drive. Yes the 103's did have the run out problem also. The hardest thing you can do to that motor is reving the engine and dropping the clutch. THAT WILL HURT THE CRANK in these motors.

Hope this helps. Good luck in your purchase.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

I don't do that - but why?

Fired00d · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2008, 08:39:22 PM »

Quote from: Florida Marine on August 03, 2008, 08:16:24 PM

I don't do that - but why?

My thought on this would be that it has something to do w/not having timken bearings on the crank. Revving motor up and dropping the clutch is a sure way of putting stress on the crank and eventually developing crank runout.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

Sean M Cary · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2008, 09:49:19 PM »

Quote from: Fired00d on August 03, 2008, 08:39:22 PM

My thought on this would be that it has something to do w/not having timken bearings on the crank. Revving motor up and dropping the clutch is a sure way of putting stress on the crank and eventually developing crank runout.

Ride Safe,
Fired00d

makes sense

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #11 on:** August 04, 2008, 03:23:12 AM »

The crank is a pressed assembly not a bolted assembly. It cannot take the pressure or the stress. The MOCO did this to save time during assembly. They also did away with the timken to save time during assembly.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

murphy · « **Reply #12 on:** August 04, 2008, 03:39:02 AM »

The only thing I would recommend is doing a compression test before purchase...

I didn't when I bought mine, if I had I would have found out that my cylinders were warped!

Other than that the bike has been great!!!

Sean M Cary · « **Reply #13 on:** August 04, 2008, 06:26:26 AM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on August 04, 2008, 03:23:12 AM

The crank is a pressed assembly not a bolted assembly. It cannot take the pressure or the stress. The MOCO did this to save time during assembly. They also did away with the timken to save time during assembly.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Limited life span due to this?

Sorry to bug ya, just like knowing my issues before that become them.

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #14 on:** August 04, 2008, 07:17:49 PM »

Quote from: Florida Marine on August 04, 2008, 06:26:26 AM

Limited life span due to this?

Sorry to bug ya, just like knowing my issues before that become them.

You are not bugging me at all. We are here to help. One other thing you may to keep an eye on. If you pump the motor up, please do your motor a favor and do the timken conversion.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Sean M Cary · « **Reply #15 on:** August 04, 2008, 09:31:43 PM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on August 04, 2008, 07:17:49 PM

You are not bugging me at all. We are here to help. One other thing you may to keep an eye on. If you pump the motor up, please do your motor a favor and do the timken conversion.

Be Safe

THE DAWG

thanks, next winter when I am back in the land of the sorta snow/cold (NoVa) I intend to take it down, do the Gear Driven or upgraded tensioners and cams. Now that I now about it I also want to add the Timken Bearing. Planning on the 575 cams, SE Cam plate, Fueling oil pump and new push rods.

I am more interested in longevity then hopping it up...

Sean

Hoist! · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2008, 09:38:59 PM »

Quote from: Florida Marine on August 04, 2008, 09:31:43 PM

thanks, next winter when I am back in the land of the sorta snow/cold (NoVa) I intend to take it down, do the Gear Driven or upgraded tensioners and cams. Now that I now about it I also want to add the Timken Bearing. Planning on the 575 cams, SE Cam plate, Fueling oil pump and new push rods.

I am more interested in longevity then hopping it up...

Sean

Sean, the Timken supports the crank, and is machined (or with a Jim's kit) in the case. The crank is inside the cases. You'll be rebuilding an entire engine to do the Timken. Is it recommended? Absolutely! That's what I did to my new 110. But just wanna make sure you knew what you were in for!

Hoist!

Sean M Cary · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2008, 09:40:05 PM »

Quote from: Hoist! on August 04, 2008, 09:38:59 PM

Sean, the Timken supports the crank, and is machined (or with a Jim's kit) in the case. The crank is inside the cases. You'll be rebuilding an entire engine to do the Timken. Is it recommended? Absolutely! That's what I did to my new 110. But just wanna make sure you knew what you were in for!

Hoist!

Doh! I guess I am confusing that with the support that goes inside the primary case - Hogasm and Twolane were discussing it few weeks back. Now that I think about it, it was the compensator bearing/support that I was thinking about...

Doh

Sean

rednectum · « **Reply #18 on:** August 05, 2008, 08:45:02 AM »

and to clarify further, you can do the timken, but it will not cure the runout issue. PPPPPP= have crank trued, plugged, welded, balanced, fitted for timken. have cases fitted for timken. assemble engine and hope tranny holds !! JK

Slowride262 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 14, 2008, 12:21:52 AM »

Lugging them ain't the best for any engine either.

RJ749 · « **Reply #20 on:** August 14, 2008, 01:48:35 AM »

I trust the 103 and have enjoyed the '06 which is why I went with a Nanner, along with the color the 103 was a sure bet for me.

Now however with two 103's in the stable, I am waiting for the SERG to get in. So I guess I'll be finding out if HD has improved on the issues with the 110 and hopefully solved them.

As for the 6 spd it would be a great upgrade to the 103 SEEG if you get it.

Harleypingman · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2008, 11:12:31 PM »

Although both the 103 and 110 CVO engines use a 4 3/8" crank, the 103 crank lists for about $1,300, while the crank in the 110 is the same as used in the 96" motors and lists for about $700.

rednectum · « **Reply #22 on:** August 16, 2008, 12:07:39 AM »

Quote from: Harleypingman on August 15, 2008, 11:12:31 PM

Although both the 103 and 110 CVO engines use a 4 3/8" crank, the 103 crank lists for about $1,300, while the crank in the 110 is the same as used in the 96" motors and lists for about $700.

american, or chinese!?!?

DCFIREMANN · « **Reply #23 on:** August 16, 2008, 06:12:41 PM »

Quote from: rednectum on August 16, 2008, 12:07:39 AM

american, or chinese!?!?

BOTH!!!!!!!!LOL

I am not sure why the prices are so different. Unless you are talking about the SE 103 crank and not the CVO 103 crank. There is a difference. If you are doing a crank upgrade I would do a SE 103 or a Jim's assembly!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Hoist! · « **Reply #24 on:** August 16, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »

Quote from: DCFIREMANN on August 16, 2008, 06:12:41 PM

BOTH!!!!!!!!LOL

I am not sure why the prices are so different. Unless you are talking about the SE 103 crank and not the CVO 103 crank. There is a difference. If you are doing a crank upgrade I would do a SE 103 or a Jim's assembly!

Be Safe

THE DAWG

Yeah or an S&S!

Hoist!

rednectum · « **Reply #25 on:** August 18, 2008, 10:22:10 AM »

or revperf, axtel, R&R will be introducing their 5 piece TC crank soon.

Harleypingman · « **Reply #26 on:** August 23, 2008, 09:45:46 PM »

Part numbers and prices from my earlier posts regarding HD's stroker cranks:

In the course of investigating stroker cranks for an upcoming 103" or 113" build, I was surprised to learn that in addition to the two cranks listed in the current SE parts catalog there is a third crank that was OEM in the CVO SE 103's in the 2003 and 2004 models (didn't check other pre-110 years): PN 23740-03, list price $1299.95. This is now an obsolete part number that has since been replaced with -03A and currently -03B. A friend is using the -03B version in a 113" build and I'd have liked to have seen it but it was installed in the cases at Darkhorse after their work on it.

The SE parts catalog shows PN 23728-07, list $699.95 (the OEM CVO 110" and OEM 96" crank); and, PN 23600-00, list $1049.95.

HTH.

Banana man · « **Reply #27 on:** August 24, 2008, 01:13:56 AM »

That banana looks great. Buy it already, you can't go wrong with a yellow
bike and a 103 engine. 20,000 miles on mine and NO issues with engine at
all, or any other part of the bike.

rednectum · « **Reply #28 on:** August 25, 2008, 06:25:47 PM »

just remember, if you buy a $600 crank, or a $6000 crank, you still havta send it to the pros to know it is right.

BIGDOG · « **Reply #29 on:** August 27, 2008, 01:23:46 PM »

I have had both the 110 and the 103 . I prefer the 103, great low end torque and not all the issues of the 110. I had an 06 RG and the 5 speed is perfect with the 103 as I wanted more RPM's when going thru the twisties. You will love that bike especially if you ride on the slightly aggressive side.

rednectum · « **Reply #30 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:11:06 PM »

Quote from: BIGDOG on August 27, 2008, 01:23:46 PM

I have had both the 110 and the 103 . I prefer the 103, great low end torque and not all the issues of the 110. I had an 06 RG and the 5 speed is perfect with the 103 as I wanted more RPM's when going thru the twisties. You will love that bike especially if you ride on the slightly aggressive side.

for reliability, im on your side . 110 = boat anchor. 103 or 107 = quick revving reliable motor. the 110 is closer to square, so it should be a revver, but it is a HD design, so it has to be screwwed up.

Hoist! · « **Reply #31 on:** August 27, 2008, 06:14:24 PM »

Quote from: rednectum on August 27, 2008, 06:11:06 PM

for reliability, im on your side . 110 = boat anchor. 103 or 107 = quick revving reliable motor. the 110 is closer to square, so it should be a revver, but it is a HD design, so it has to be screwwed up.

Yeah Dennis, but you know better than anyone that this chit ain't rocket science. They can ALL be made to be reliable runners!!!

Hoist!

rednectum · « **Reply #32 on:** September 02, 2008, 10:45:06 AM »

Quote from: Hoist! on August 27, 2008, 06:14:24 PM

Yeah Dennis, but you know better than anyone that this chit ain't rocket science. They can ALL be made to be reliable runners!!!

Hoist!

so can a kia. given time and money.

Unbalanced · « **Reply #33 on:** September 02, 2008, 01:04:42 PM »

Dennis,

You are full of humor this week

Unbalanced · « **Reply #34 on:** September 02, 2008, 02:29:51 PM »

Dennis,

Seems your website is down is this due to the storms?

www.cripplecreekmc.com

rednectum · « **Reply #35 on:** September 03, 2008, 10:32:08 AM »

Quote from: Unbalanced on September 02, 2008, 02:29:51 PM

Dennis,

Seems your website is down is this due to the storms?

www.cripplecreekmc.com

no, its due to the principle owner. he sicked his attourney on me (i own the site) and demanded it be taken off the net.
i took my pride and left him to play with himself.

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